Another Training Discussion

[Heshinar]

Currently My Skills are this at level 11

Armor Use..........................| 66 14
Shield Use.........................| 90 20
Combat Maneuvers...................| 102 24
Edged Weapons......................| 102 24
Ambush.............................| 102 24
Physical Fitness...................| 58 12
Dodging............................| 58 12
Arcane Symbols.....................| 30 6
Magic Item Use.....................| 30 6
Spirit Mana Control................| 10 2
Disarming Traps....................| 102 24
Picking Locks......................| 102 24
Stalking and Hiding................| 102 24
Perception.........................| 102 24
Climbing...........................| 30 6
Swimming...........................| 30 6
First Aid..........................| 20 4
Trading............................| 20 4
Pickpocketing......................| 58 12

My Stats are now this (I mangled them)

Strength (STR): 84 (17) ... 84 (17)
Constitution (CON): 73 (11) ... 70 (10)
Dexterity (DEX): 84 (22) ... 84 (22)
Agility (AGI): 85 (27) ... 85 (27)
Discipline (DIS): 73 (6) ... 73 (6)
Aura (AUR): 82 (16) ... 82 (16)
Logic (LOG): 73 (11) ... 73 (11)
Intuition (INT): 65 (7) ... 65 (7)
Wisdom (WIS): 52 (1) ... 52 (1)
Influence (INF): 31 (-4) ... 31 (-4)

I think that works out as..

2X
Shield (1X early - Compensating)
Ambush
Stalking Hiding
CM
OHE
Disarm
Picking Locks

1X
Armor (2X Early - Compensating)
Physical Fitness
Dodge
PickPockets

MISC for the rest

This seems okay but at the same time I am not sure. Still learning.

Heshinar - Fledgeling Rogue

[Edited on 7-12-2005 by Heshinar]

[StrayRogue]

Change dodge to 2x and shield to 1x.

[Edaarin]

Your stats look fine. Not stellar, but definitely doable.

I wouldn't bother 2x'ing in shield. Better off doing 2x dodge and 1.5x shield, or even 2x dodge and 1x shield and saving points for something else. I'm also not sure exactly how useful singling in pickpocketing is now. And there's no reason you need that much scroll/MIU use early on.

[Heshinar]

I was advised that at least 1X in pickpocket helps you spot others picking your pocket.

[Edaarin]

Keep other pickpockets out by closing containers, staying hidden or in areas with very small crowds.

Save those points for something useful.

[Artha]

You're a rogue. Any pickpocket worth a damn won't be stealing from you anyway.

[Heshinar]

Also I was advised that Arcane Symbols improved your ability to disarm scarabs. If I have the extra points I cannot see how it would hurt.

[Jonty]

Originally posted by Artha
You're a rogue. Any pickpocket worth a damn won't be stealing from you anyway.

Why not. There are a few who tend to leave their containers open because of this thought. They're the best targets.

"Pickpocket puts a diamond, that he got out of no where, in his cloak.

steal pickpocket cloak

You reach into Pickpocket's cloak and pull out a diamond."

hide... put the item away, close your container, and continue.

[Gan]

This is my rogue at a brand new 73 trainings... his skills except for a few that were changed with the new level were optimalized for 72 trains. I hope to add more physical training and some arcane symbols (cheapest magical ranks I can get) to allow for spells in restricted areas.
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Ganalon (at level 73), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 180 80 (for metal breastplate)
Shield Use.........................| 173 73 (1x)
Combat Maneuvers...................| 174 74 (1x)
Edged Weapons......................| 250 150 (2x)
Ambush.............................| 248 148 (2x)
Physical Fitness...................| 176 76 (1x currently - goal to 1.5x)
Dodging............................| 173 73 (1x)
Arcane Symbols.....................| 35 7
Magic Item Use.....................| 74 16
Harness Power......................| 45 9
Disarming Traps....................| 322 222 (3x)
Picking Locks......................| 322 222 (3x)
Stalking and Hiding................| 322 222 (3x)
Perception.........................| 322 222 (3x)
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4 (for picking lores)
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Hope that helps some.

[GS4-D]

How do you do with only 1x dodge, Ganalon.

[Gan]

When I do get hit, the mbp greatly reduces any harsh effects of the blow. I'm like a walking tank, only more mobile, agile, and hostile.

If I could be guaranteed to dodge 100% of the swings that were directed towards me by fully training in dodge then I would reduce armor training back to brig and full train in dodge. But realistically, because hunting is my primary focus, I know that I'm going to get hit. So my aim is more reactive than proactive given the limits of a viable proactive solution.

Edited to add:
Hiding and ambushing is a primary tactic used, thus the only time I really get his is when I take on 2 or 3 in a room. If I feel the threat factor is really high I'll use cman silentstrike to reduce the threat equation before entering into melee combat.

[Edited on 7-12-2005 by Ganalon]

[StrayRogue]

You realize that by only 1xing Dodge and wearing MBP you're effectively only .8x in Dodge, right?

[Gan]

Yea, someone had mentioned to me that my ability to dodge would be reduced, I had just never seen an actual number.

I'm totally happy sacrificing .2 of dodge in order to wear metal. I tried the brig route when the armor changes were announced and got really tooled trying to hunt thus I have no intentions on going back to leather based armor.

[Janarth]

Bah, I know you explained silentstrike to me before Ganalon, but do it again? From that reply it made me think you could swing at a critter without the other critters noticing? Thats pretty damn cool...

[Jonty]

You can swing without becoming unhidden.

[Edited on 7-12-2005 by Jonty]