Ocissor

[Leetahkin]

Can't recall seeing this type of hunting before.


A puma scampers south.
>
What were you referring to?
>s
[Vornavian Coast, Coastal Cliffs]
The winds blowing up from the beach here nearly drown out the sound of the crashing waves. Thick grasses grow in the sandy soil here, hiding small creatures that scurry amongst the tall grasses. You also see a puma, a thrak and a lump of grey ambergris.
Obvious paths: north, southeast
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>at pu
You swing a thin black crimson-swirled dagger at a puma!
AS: +276 vs DS: +151 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +41 = +188
... and hit for 23 points of damage!
Awkward slash to the puma's stomach!
Everyone needs another belly button.

** Your crimson-swirled dagger flares with a burst of flame! **

... 25 points of damage!
Minor burns to left eye. Foe blinks back the tears.
You swing a thin black crimson-swirled dagger at a puma!
AS: +259 vs DS: +144 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +27 = +164
... and hit for 16 points of damage!
Minor puncture to the left arm.

** Your crimson-swirled dagger flares with a burst of flame! **

... 20 points of damage!
Minor burns to neck. Looks uncomfortable.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
Ocissor just arrived.
R>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a puma.
CS: +57 - TD: +51 + CvA: +25 + d100: +31 == +62
Warded off!
R>
Ocissor just went southeast.
R>
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>
Ocissor just arrived.
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>at pu
You swing a thin black crimson-swirled dagger at a puma!
AS: +276 vs DS: +140 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +45 = +203
... and hit for 31 points of damage!
Slash to the puma's chest!
That heart's not broken, it's only scratched.
You swing a thin black crimson-swirled dagger at a puma!
AS: +259 vs DS: +135 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +50 = +196
... and hit for 24 points of damage!
Awkward slash to the puma's stomach!
Everyone needs another belly button.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
A puma tries to bite you!
AS: +146 vs DS: +128 with AvD: +24 + d100 roll: +92 = +134
... and hits for 11 points of damage!
Blow leaves an imprint on your chest!
R>
>at pu
You swing a thin black crimson-swirled dagger at a puma!
AS: +276 vs DS: +102 with AvD: +22 + d100 roll: +5 = +201
... and hit for 27 points of damage!
Strike just below the jaw, nice shot to the neck!
The puma crumples to the ground and dies.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
Ocissor just arrived.
R>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +69 == +127
Warding failed!
A powerful hit.
... 20 points of damage!
Major bones in the thrak's left arm crack loudly!
The thrak is stunned!
R>
Ocissor just went southeast.
R>
Ocissor just arrived.
>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +4 == +62
Warded off!
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>
>stance def
Ocissor just arrived.
>
You are now in a defensive stance.
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>
Ocissor just arrived.
>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +4 == +62
Warded off!
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>
Ocissor just arrived.
>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +16 == +74
Warded off!
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>
Ocissor just arrived.
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Ocissor just went southeast.
>skin pu
You botched the job. The puma hide is ruined.
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Ocissor just arrived.
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Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +43 == +101
Warding failed!
A weak blow.
... 1 point of damage!
Friction burn! The thrak's arm turns red.
>
Ocissor just went southeast.
>sear pu
>l
You search the puma.
It had nothing of interest.
A puma decays into a compost of fangs, fur and claws.
>
[Vornavian Coast, Coastal Cliffs]
The winds blowing up from the beach here nearly drown out the sound of the crashing waves. Thick grasses grow in the sandy soil here, hiding small creatures that scurry amongst the tall grasses. You also see a thrak and a lump of grey ambergris.
Obvious paths: north, southeast
>stance off
You are now in an offensive stance.
>stand
A thrak drools with ravenous hunger!
>
You are already standing.
>
Ocissor just arrived.
>
Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
Ocissor gestures at a thrak.
CS: +57 - TD: +24 + CvA: +25 + d100: +77 == +135
Warding failed!
Target staggered by strong strike.
The thrak falls back into a heap and dies.
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Ocissor just went southeast.
>
>sweep oci
Ocissor just arrived.
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Ocissor traces a sign that contorts in the air while he forcefully incants a dark invocation...
>
[Roll result: 239 (open d100: 78) Bonus: 1]
You crouch, sweep a leg at Ocissor and connect!
Ocissor falls to the ground! You deftly regain your footing.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
R>
>l
[Vornavian Coast, Coastal Cliffs]
The winds blowing up from the beach here nearly drown out the sound of the crashing waves. Thick grasses grow in the sandy soil here, hiding small creatures that scurry amongst the tall grasses. You also see a thrak (dead) and a lump of grey ambergris.
Also here: Ocissor (prone)
Obvious paths: north, southeast
>
Ocissor stands up.
>
A manticore just arrived.
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Ocissor says, "Do that again."
>stance def
Ocissor says, "See what happends."
>
You are now in a defensive stance.
>smirk
You smirk.


He took off again before I could get a word in. What a fucking headache with him running in and out, and casting like he owned the place.

I was there trying to collect puma hides for damn COL. :smilegrin:

[StrayRogue]

Looks like he was scripting.

[Asha]

>
Ocissor says, "Do that again."
>stance def
Ocissor says, "See what happends."
>


He'll probably killd youd using his terrible hitd and run scriptd + uber CS and excellentd grammard.

[Leetahkin]

I was thinking that too, unless he happened to be at his computer when I swept him and said something.

I also had to be on my best behavior because I was in with someone else's character.

[Bobmuhthol]

Yeah that's definitely shitty script behavior.

[Kitsun]

Har, I've seen one OTF hunter that hunted like that. God was it spastic.

The ballless wonder is trying to minimize his time in front of the critter.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Looks like he was scripting.


that is the preferred way for sorcs to hunt.

get one blood burst that does damage and you can get exp from every creature in the area as long as you stay in the area until it dies

[Drew]

Like everyone else said I think it's a bad script.

[Shalla]

I was able to get my sorcerer to her level now without script hunting. Having said that, my accomplishments in game never feels hollow or meaningless because it was hard work that took me there. It's also one of the reasons why I would never ever sell my character. Needless to say, It took me years to get her there.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Having said that, my accomplishments in game never feels hollow or meaningless because it was hard work that took me there.>>

I script hunted Biggnife all the time, and I feel great about what I've accomplished.

[Shalla]

yeah but you probably made the script yourself. Which I think is hard work :P

[Soulpieced]

Yeah, there's something about writing your own badass scripts and getting characters to level 30+ without ever physically hunting except to test and debug the thing... not that I'd ever do that.

[Syberus]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Looks like he was scripting.


that is the preferred way for sorcs to hunt.

get one blood burst that does damage and you can get exp from every creature in the area as long as you stay in the area until it dies

Yea... maybe in 1995.

[Artha]

Having said that, my accomplishments in game never feels hollow or meaningless because it was hard work that took me there.
Har, just wait until you quit.

I weep for my lost time.

[Shalla]

I don't know about lost time, since I only play gemstone when I just want to be left alone. I don't think I ever missed a social event with my friends or family for gemstone.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<yeah but you probably made the script yourself. Which I think is hard work>>

haha, right. I haven't even worked on writing a hunting script a day in my life and I never will.

That said, I've used 2 ever. Rat and snow spectre.

[Drew]

Originally posted by Artha

Having said that, my accomplishments in game never feels hollow or meaningless because it was hard work that took me there.
Har, just wait until you quit.

I weep for my lost time.


And yet you are still wasting time here :smilegrin:

[Shalla]

Originally posted by Bobmuhthol

haha, right. I haven't even worked on writing a hunting script a day in my life and I never will.

That said, I've used 2 ever. Rat and snow spectre.

:grr:

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Drayal
He'll probably killd youd using his terrible hitd and run scriptd + uber CS and excellentd grammard.


:rofl:

[StrayRogue]

Please post if this prick is being a gimp still. I'm in Solhaven at the moment and I need a geek to murder.

[peam]

He's in the Broken Tower right now.

[Lookkin]

I was hunting swamp trolls and ogres last nite - same exact experience. He was there only long enough to cast and then move on. But then again, I saw his dead corpse being drug to the North Market twice that nite. Not sure what got him.

[Leetahkin]

Lol, I'm at work, so I can't get in the lands!
He hunts mants and thraks... go pretend you need their skins for something ;)
He rests in the... whatchamacalit... when you go through the breach from town. Is it a tower or something? I don't pay attention cause I run through it.

Edited to add: Umm, yup. What everyone else said.

[Edited on 7-12-2005 by Nobody Cares]

[Jonty]

Ocissor says, "Do that again."
>stance def
Ocissor says, "See what happends."
>
You are now in a defensive stance.
>smirk
You smirk.


"sweep oci" should have replaced the "stance def" and "smirk" commands.

[Renian]

Actually, I know Ocissor IRL. He's actually a good guy, and he's not scripting.

So what is he doing? He's doing a damn good tactic; running in, blasting the critter and running out. He set up a macro with his arrow keys that does all of this for him; if he hits ctrl+se, he goes southeast, INCANTs 702, and runs out.

The reason why he was probably poaching your critters is...because he wasn't. He probably started out attacking them and you ran in and started attacking it. Heh, he even IMed me when he got sweeped like that. Nice to see what actually happened though.

As for his grammar...he's alright normally. Typo that time.

And as for his CS, we optimized his stats so at level 100 he would kick some serious ass. He wanted it that way. But I figured that we should get rid of the less important stats today and dump them into CS stats. Needless to say, it helped quite a bit for him.

Oh, and about the puma skin collecting...he was wondering why there were high-levels running around up there. :P

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Renian
Actually, I know Ocissor IRL. He's actually a good guy, and he's not scripting.

Well, this changes everything! Since he's a great guy irl. Come on, it's early for me yet this morning. But give me a break.


So what is he doing? He's doing a damn good tactic; running in, blasting the critter and running out. He set up a macro with his arrow keys that does all of this for him; if he hits ctrl+se, he goes southeast, INCANTs 702, and runs out.

You leave the hunting room with a critter still standing, the critter is fair play for anyone. Especially the dumb hunting tactic he was using. Grow some balls, meet a critter head on, and expect to die sometimes.


The reason why he was probably poaching your critters is...because he wasn't. He probably started out attacking them and you ran in and started attacking it. Heh, he even IMed me when he got sweeped like that. Nice to see what actually happened though.

I disagree.

[Skirmisher]

So "he" is you?

Just say so instead of starting out as if you are a "friend" of the person.

[Renian]

He is not me, but I do have access to his account and have played him some, and don't really like using his tactic. The main player of his account, who uses this tactic, lives 2 hours from me.

The only real reason he is using this tactic is because if he meets the critter head on he certainly WILL get hit, because he's pumping all of his points into CS (I.E., sorcerer spells only), rather than skills for his Runestaff at the moment. Until he can nearly always hit a critter, he's gonna use this tactic, because he has no freaking DS!



I disagree.


Did you even look at the critter for wounds beforehand?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Did you even look at the critter for wounds beforehand?>>

I hate to say it, but this is a pretty fucking stupid question to ask.

I didn't see anyone hunting in arch wights, then one was magically stunned when I walked in and I finished it off. Some guy is all, "omg how you think it got stunned?" and I said, "Luck." That was the end. I'm sure he realized that he should stfu for being hidden.

In this instance, Ocissor should stfu for not being in the room.

[Iqxero]

There's a time effective hunting method. I should have to go into combat, be swung at twice by a creature while I stand there and determine if it had any previous wounds because some pussy ass min/maxer can't hunt like the other 99.9% of the game.

You leave the room, guess what, the critters fair game. I guess your bud's just going to have to hope he can use that tactic on players, when he starts getting his ass smoked for poaching.

[Renian]

Then tell that to him IG rather than bitch about it.

[Bobmuhthol]

When I see him, I'll be sure to.

But don't forget that you just bumped this thread with the infallible explanation of why he hunts like an idiot.

[Warriorbird]

Curiously enough, they seem to be. Do you advocate sorcerors leaving open voids around too? Get real. At the very least he could make some sort've announcement... not that that would mitigate the pwnings that are coming towards him and the visits to the consult lounge...much.

[Iqxero]

I've never seen him in game. And it's posted on a public message boards. As such I get to bitch until I stop opening this thread. Don't like it, stop reading.

And besides which, I wasn't even talking to him. Unless him is you. In which case I was talking to him.

I was responding to your statement that he wasn't at fault, because people should inspect every creatures in the hunting area incase a min/maxing sorc could be hunting there.

My response was that he very much was at fault. I will now go on to add constructivly that perhaps he should modify his training until such time as he can safely stand infront of a critter, and THEN pump up his CS. This prevents him from being a nuisance to everybody in the hunting area. Perhaps you should pass that along to him, or hey, send him the link to this thread.

{edited out the bizzare should/could combo.}

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Iqxero]

[Warriorbird]

"And as for his CS, we optimized his stats so at level 100 he would kick some serious ass. He wanted it that way. But I figured that we should get rid of the less important stats today and dump them into CS stats. Needless to say, it helped quite a bit for him. "

I doubt he'll make it if he keeps this up...unless he has no life.

In addition, tripling sorceror spells is easily doable while maintaining runestaff skills. You and he seem to share accounts sometimes, multi accounters everywhere have this great idea that involves spelling each other up...

[AnticorRifling]

This dude is a moron. He'll have at least 3 fixskills between now and 100 and that's if he's a powerhunter with nothing going on outside of the game to distract him. Get real if he's in mants he should still be on his fast grace period and he should sword and board it and then when he hits lvl 20 then go runestaff.

Also if you leave the room you forfeit rights to that creature so it was only his for the split second his balless self stood there to punch a macro. Ohh no I might get hit!! STFU that's the lamest shit I've ever heard.


In closing he's weak.

You are probably he so you're weak.

It's swept not sweeped, that just hurts the brain.

Reroll by going into DOS and typing c:\format c:

[Renian]

I will now go on to add constructivly that perhaps he should modify his training until such time as he can safely stand infront of a critter, and THEN pump up his CS

Doubt he'll kill anything then.

And to clarify again, I am NOT Ocissor. I would never use that tactic because of noticed reputation loss.


It's swept not sweeped

My bad. Sorry, I usually notice stuff like that.


Reroll by going into DOS and typing c:\format c:

1. He still has 3 character reallocations he can use.
2. Only a true idiot would fall for that.

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Renian]

[Drew]

Plenty of sorcerers seem to get by without a training plan that requires them to run in and out of rooms because of low DS. Like someone else said, you can triple in spells (which are the only skills affecting your CS) and still have a good number of points left over for runestaff skills.

[Iqxero]

So, what your saying is, the majority of Sorcerers who have trainings that allow them to stand infront of a creature and cast at it, just don't exist?

That my sorc, who is heavily dependent on the sorc line for CS, and yet still manages to produce enough DS with a runestaff that I don't have to run back and forth to hunt, doesn't kill things?

I'd say that's a fairly lame excuse. Any number of people on this forum could produce, in less time then it takes your friend to kill a critter with his method, a viable training plan that would produce enough DS to stand in the room as a like level creature, and enough CS to kill it, if not enough to overhunt.

[Renian]

So, what your saying is, the majority of Sorcerers who have trainings that allow them to stand infront of a creature and cast at it, just don't exist?


Who said that? Surely not I. I'm saying his training plan does not allow it.



I'd say that's a fairly lame excuse. Any number of people on this forum could produce, in less time then it takes your friend to kill a critter with his method, a viable training plan that would produce enough DS to stand in the room as a like level creature, and enough CS to kill it, if not enough to overhunt.


Maybe as a Dark Elf, sure. He would have more than enough CS. But he's a dwarf.

[Drew]

Not all warriors are giantmen, not all sorcs are dark elves. Look at the fame lists if you don't believe me (number one is a human sorc).

[Renian]

1 Dwarf, a few odd races, and a bajillion dark elves.

[Iqxero]

The difference between a dwarf sorc and a dark elf sorc, trained exactly the same, is aboue 5 CS.

If 5 CS means he can't kill something, your overhunting just a tad too much.

And besides that I can guarantee you that non-darkie sorcs hunting "toe to toe" it's possible. The point of everything I'm saying is that your friend chooses to not deal with other people playing his game, by setting his hunting method to be unfriendly to other players, and as such should be prepared for repercussions later in his career, if not now.

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Iqxero]

[Drew]

Go and look up the dwarf and see how he did it. I'm gonna guess not b y running in and out of rooms.


Anyway, I think it's stupid these crazy min/max plans for character who will NEVER make 50, much less 100. The point of the game is to have fun, not have the most uber capped character six years down the road. Any capped character could still beat Soulpieced or Tsin in a duel even though those two have uber gear and lot's of training. I just don't get the point.

[Renian]

The difference between a dwarf sorc and a dark elf sorc, trained exactly the same, is aboue 5 CS.


I'm talking about stats here, not training. Training wise, can't argue.

Speaking of arguing, I'm done now. If you'd like to contact Ocissor, he uses PsiNet, so just CHAT to him when PsiNet is back up and running, or send him a PsiNet mail his actions.

Thanks for your comments everyone, good, bad, and even evil.

[Iqxero]

That's what I was talking about. Stats. A dark elf sorc has 5 more CS from stats than a dwarf does. I fail to see how that's a significant disadvantage in hunting.

[JadeScarlet]

I don't know anything about sorcerers or training plans, but if Ocissor wants to train/hunt like that, can't he at least talk to other people in that hunting area and explain what he's doing? People might get less pissed off if they knew why he was running around so much.

Maybe he could even try and make some friends and group hunt.

Hunting with friends = friends spell you up and create more targets in the room

[Renian]

Really? I thought Aura/wis bonus = +1CS per point automatically, which would give a Dark Elven sorcerer +20 CS advantage aura-wise over a Dwarven sorcerer, both stats assumed to be at 100.

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Renian


The difference between a dwarf sorc and a dark elf sorc, trained exactly the same, is aboue 5 CS.


I'm talking about stats here, not training. Training wise, can't argue.

Speaking of arguing, I'm done now. If you'd like to contact Ocissor, he uses PsiNet, so just CHAT to him when PsiNet is back up and running, or send him a PsiNet mail his actions.

Thanks for your comments everyone, good, bad, and even evil.

Send your friend this way. We always welcome fresh blood. :smilegrin:

[AnticorRifling]

You know he'll just log into the boards, type a letter, log out, log in, type another letter, etc. That's his STYLE step off!! So yeah that would take about 1 week to get a post written cause it's smart tactics 'n shit.

[Iqxero]

Unless play.net is wrong there is no way they could have a +20 over dwarves. +5 or +25, but not +20, so I could be wrong. It happens.

Besides I thought you were done arguing.

And besides besides, even 25 CS is not that considerable over the course of 100 levels, and even 20 if you train the character to overcome it and hunt smart.

However, none of this server to invalidate the point that he is choosing the most difficult way for him to hunt, hands down. I suppose if he comes here he can read it and continue arguing, but he is just making his early life more difficult than it needs to be.

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Iqxero]
Edited because unvalidate is a dumb made up word.

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Iqxero]

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Iqxero]

[Renian]

Send your friend this way. We always welcome fresh blood.

I actually did link him to this topic. Dunno if he bothered to look at it yet...he didn't respond. He may have FAAK'ed.



Besides I thought you were done arguing.


I'm commenting now, that is all. Except saying this is just like arguing, so now I'm trapped in the throes of logic. WOE!

[Edited on 7-28-2005 by Renian]

[Iqxero]

Hah! Trapped in the throes of logic. VICTORY! .... Kay. That wasn't as satisfying as I thought it would be.

[Warriorbird]

Seriously need to teach him stance dancing at least. You shouldn't be hit by those things at the point you're hunting them.

[Amber]

Just a quick comment on the race issue. I've a gnome sorceress who can hunt critters six or seven trainings above her without a problem either hitting them or defending against them, so it is very feasible for a non darkelf sorcerer to hunt in a more conventional manner and do great.

[Terminator X]

Is this the dude who hangs out in the Broken Tower all day and doesn't say anything? If so, then this is the dude who hangs out in the Broken Tower all day and doesn't say anything.

[Edited on 7-29-2005 by Terminator X]

[Leetahkin]

Originally posted by Terminator X
Is this the dude who hangs out in the Broken Tower all day and doesn't say anything? If so, then this is the dude who hangs out in the Broken Tower all day and doesn't say anything.

[Edited on 7-29-2005 by Terminator X]

You are correct :yes:

[Renian]

Seriously need to teach him stance dancing at least. You shouldn't be hit by those things at the point you're hunting them.

That's funny, because sorcerer's don't stance dance in the slightest; they are always in guarded (80%) stance.

That is all.

EDIT: Erm, wait. Forgot about Channeling. But he doesn't do that with his tactic so it's still kinda irrelavent.

[Edited on 7-30-2005 by Renian]

[Syberus]

The way stats affect Sorcerer CS is as follows.... (aura BONUS + wisdom BONUS)/2

So... supposing max dark elf stats and max dwarf stats.. you're looking at 12 or 13 difference, which is pretty substantial, but since you said you were min-maxing your stats... chances are his CS blows cock because dwarves have low aura and wisdom bonus to begin with.

[Edited on 7-30-2005 by Syberus]

Edited because I suck at life

[Edited on 7-30-2005 by Syberus]

[Renian]

The way stats affect Sorcerer CS is as follows.... (aura BONUS + wisdom BONUS)/2

Thanks. I always thought it was straight up Aura Bonus + Wisdom Bonus.

[Syberus]

No problem sir.

[Alfster]

Either way, he still hunts like a douche.

[Skirmisher]

:yeahthat: