Future of the barren fury

[crazymage]

I'd like to keep the tbf open, and become the guildmaster. Whoever would like to stay is welcome to. If everyone would rather i didnt, please post a response here.

[Nieninque]

I'd rather you came to the new guild

[crazymage]

ok but since im choosing not to, Do you have a problem with me becoming gm of the tbf. and recruiting/letting people stay?

[Nieninque]

No

[CrystalTears]

If that was the case, it wouldn't even be stated this as a merger if you're going to keep TBF alive and people would just do whatever they wanted. May as well just say that most people are leaving to join another one and make a huge one which wasn't the intent to begin with.

You're kinda going against the premise of what everyone else was going for.

[Parkbandit]

Yes. As the guild master of the Barren Fury, I have committed our guild to merge with another, based on the votes of individuals here.

Like I have said before, if you wish to form your own guild, then you need to form it from the beginning.

I hear Seize the Day is available.

[crazymage]

Thats fine. Some people voted no on the merger also, this allows those and myself to keep the TBF alive.

[crazymage]

The guild was mine as much as yours to begin with get off the power trip, You're leaving i'm staying dont make it a big deal.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by crazymage
Thats fine. Some people voted no on the merger also, this allows those and myself to keep the TBF alive.

Actually, it doesn't. TBF will basically cease to exist once the merger takes place tonight. The only reason we are even keeping the guild name is to quiet people's initial fears of this merger.

[SnatchWrangler]

Originally posted by crazymage
I'd like to keep the tbf open, and become the guildmaster. Whoever would like to stay is welcome to. If everyone would rather i didnt, please post a response here.

I'd rather Viktor came along. You can leave Grimloc in TBF. I'm not sure of your reasoning for not coming along. It's not like the council will be making any earthshattering decisions, and it's not like everyone's input won't be taken into consideration whenever a decision is made. Has anything in the past lead anyone to believe differently?

[CrystalTears]

Sure some people voted no, but they were outvoted by the yes votes, so basically, the merger is going forward.

You can't deny or stop it now. The only reason the name was going to remain was on the off chance that something went wrong. Other than that, it should slowly go away completely.

If people don't want to merge to the guild, that's fine, they're free to go elsewhere, but it was understood that TBF would be no more.

[crazymage]

And im making this thread to ask people if they mind if i keep the barren fury alive as opposed to let it die. I dont see a problem with asking, if everyone wants me to not keep it open i wont. But if its only pb then i should be allowed to.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by crazymage
And im making this thread to ask people if they mind if i keep the barren fury alive as opposed to let it die. I dont see a problem with asking, if everyone wants me to not keep it open i wont. But if its only pb then i should be allowed to.

as PB said it is his guild so you can do nothing so hopefully you enjoy being in the new guild

[crazymage]

Dont turn this into another fight, thats the last thing i want for this.

[CrystalTears]

You're right, you can ask and you have a right to. But I'm going to be blunt. When we merge, I want TBF to poof. Why? Because then we won't have people like TOJ saying "ha ha, your guild failed, everyone left, la la la" and the like, when that was NEVER the intention of the merger. It was to unite two really good guilds. To keep the TBF would be saying otherwise, and frankly, that's not the message I want portrayed for our guild.

[crazymage]

ive always been of the belief, who cares what other people think.

[CrystalTears]

So why even ask? :P

[crazymage]

i meant of people bad mouthing me or things i do. If people of the TBF dont want me to keep it open for legit reasons, then fine i wont, but im not going to say oh fine i wont because someone on the alliance side will talk shit.

[DeV]

Does TBF automatically lose the name once the two guilds merge into one?

[CrystalTears]

Heh, I know what you meant. And that's not my sole reason for wanting it go. Was just offering one version. You may think that reputation doesn't mean anything, but it does. But whatever, I've said that I disagree with you staying in TBF when we wanted you to merge with the rest of the guild. You guys settle it among yourselves.

I liked a previous idea of a no-name, inactive character being a sole member of The Barren Fury just in case the merger doesn't work out.

If we have the The Barren Fury as an active guild that is recruiting and ongoing then the whole idea of the merger is lost. Basically, it's a lot of people quitting The Barren Fury for a new guild. This was never the intent of the merger and it shouldn't be allowed to happen.

The Barren Fury is evolving, changing into a better and stronger guild, not splitting its members by having some go to a brand new guild and other staying.

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

My idea of a merger isn't that some people can go and some people can stay. A merger is that 2 guilds will combine into one. All for one and one for all.

Anything that is left in the guild will be essentially throw away characters that won't be played. The name The Barren Fury will essentially cease to exist.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Parkbandit


Anything that is left in the guild will be essentially throw away characters that won't be played.

So Bluto, you mean?

Originally posted by crazymage
And im making this thread to ask people if they mind if i keep the barren fury alive as opposed to let it die. I dont see a problem with asking, if everyone wants me to not keep it open i wont. But if its only pb then i should be allowed to.

I'd prefer you didn't. I don't think anyone is denying that Grimloc and Bayne started the guild.

I just don't agree that the Council seats are important. It's not like Alorg and Bayne are going to be ordering you around.

I can see your viewpoint, and it's a valid perspective, but I think it'd be better for the guild as a whole (yourself included) if you took a little personal sacrifice for the good of the group.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Parkbandit


Anything that is left in the guild will be essentially throw away characters that won't be played.

So Bluto, you mean?

Die.

Alot.

[CrystalTears]

Dar wants him to take one for the team! :D

[Littlefang]

I also want Viktor to stay with us. Who else will roll their eyes and laugh at my stupidness so well! You are a major part of the guild.

LF

I want Viktor to stay as well, but if he's dead set on leaving I don't think anyone should beg. What I don't understand is why not go with the merge? It's obviously something the guild does want and will benefit the guild.

- Arkans

[Hulkein]

Staying with the guild name defeats the purpose of the merge, Viktor.

As I see it, you and PB started the guild. One wants merge, the other doesn't. The logical solution would be to put it to an expanded vote, and the expanded vote says to merge.

[Keller]

I'm not really fond of seeing a bunch of schmoes walking around with our old guild tag.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Keller
I'm not really fond of seeing a bunch of schmoes walking around with our old guild tag.

They won't be. I have Dogo as the GM and will be kicking people out of the guild. I'm giving people an opportunity to get into HoR.. so I want to give them some time to see the guild message giving them instructions.

But the future of TBF is that it will be a 1 person guild... and then eventually deleted all together.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
But the future of TBF is that it will be a 1 person guild... and then eventually deleted all together.

if you delete, does it free up the name?

[CrystalTears]

It frees up, then I wouldn't suggest deleting it ever. I really wouldn't want to see TBF name roaming around like that.

Next thing we know, Carpe Diem changes its name to The Barren Fury and we have them all yelling, "OMFG WE WTF PWNED TBF AND TOOK OVR THEREE NAME ROFL LOL! *SHIELD HEARTH*"

- Arkans

[CrystalTears]

:lol: Thanks for the sig fodder, Arkans.

[DeV]

That's kinda what I was thinking when I asked that question a page back. If you plan on deleting the name altogether, what's to stop someone from picking it up later down the line. Nothing is my guess.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Arkans
Next thing we know, Carpe Diem changes its name to The Barren Fury and we have them all yelling, "OMFG WE WTF PWNED TBF AND TOOK OVR THEREE NAME ROFL LOL! *SHIELD HEARTH*"

- Arkans

that would never happen.

what we do know for sure is that you are nothing in the new guild.

[CrystalTears]

I'm not sure what you're getting at when you say we're nothing in the new guild. Most of us were regular guild members... omg... like we still are now. What exactly are you trying to say?

[Nieninque]

Actually he is a guild member. That is something. It is a guild that so far is working very well. Cohesive group. Early days, I know, but it's not a competition.

I never could get my head around people who would go off and start a new guild just to be "someone" in charge.

[SnatchWrangler]

Originally posted by theotherjohn

what we do know for sure is that you are nothing in the new guild.

With all due respect, who the hell is "we"?

As far as we're all concerned Carpe Diem is composed of you. None of the other Carpe Diem members have introduced themselves, made a name for themselves, or have even been seen by 95% of "us".

The only Carpe Diem member I've ever seen was Negativo in BG the other night. A couple other people said they came across 1 or 2 Carpe Diem in STV, or Booty Bay on one or two occasions over the past 6 weeks.

You're making it out as if every Carpe Diem member has some time of vendetta or knowledge of us, when in truth they really haven't even had any significant contact with us, except for you.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by SnatchWrangler

You're making it out as if every Carpe Diem member has some time of vendetta or knowledge of us, when in truth they really haven't even had any significant contact with us, except for you.

The we is I and Arkans.

Carpe Diem does not know or care about the failed TBF or any of you individually

[CrystalTears]

1) As far as I know, Arkans doesn't care about not being a guild officer.

2) TBF didn't fail.

There's no use explaining to Toj. I think he might be living in his own personal world where everyone is out to get him. Let's just agree that The Barren Fury failed horribly, and that it was all Nien's fault.

P.S. -- Oh, and we are all peons and pretty much worthless in the newly merged guild.

P.P.S. -- You and your mothers are whorde

[Parkbandit]

LOL.

I did get the opportunity to gank a CD last night in Ash.. but he had the same skills as Toj.. so it didn't last very long. The only thing he was doing was running away from me, looking for bruisers.