Objectionable Content

[theotherjohn]

Any member who posts content that is discriminatory against any ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation is in violation of forum policy and is subject to a violation count increase of at least 1 and at most 3.



Your policy is way to vague and I would like my points removed for the violation that did not happen.

Im sorry what part of the above says the word Fag is a violation?

Homosexual is more of a violation than fag because many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a homosexual identity and lifestyle.

Dont believe me check out the family research council or many others places you can find


according to apologists Androphile is the current correct word to use

[HarmNone]

Kranar says "fag" is a violation. I say "fag" is a violation. Ergo, "fag" is a violation, unless used in a generalized form while discussing terminology...as it is being used in this thread.

[Edited on 7-9-2005 by HarmNone]

[Jolena]

That was pretty cut and dried, I'd say.

[Toxicvixen]

Learn to Read TOJ

discriminatory against any ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation.

That particular word is a discriminatory word against sexual orientation. DUH!


[Edited on 7-9-2005 by Toxicvixen]

[Edaarin]

Board administrators determine what is objectionable content.

This isn't a democracy.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by theotherjohn



Homosexual is more of a violation than fag because many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a homosexual identity and lifestyle.

Those parents are obviously too stupid to read so what is posted here will not concern them.

Homosexuality != paedophilia

Edited to get the quotes right

[Edited on 9-7-05 by Nieninque]

[4a6c1]

HOLY MOLEY TOJ

:deadhorse:

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by HarmNone
Kranar says "fag" is a violation. I say "fag" is a violation. Ergo, "fag" is a violation, unless used in a generalized form while discussing terminology...as it is being used in this thread.

[Edited on 7-9-2005 by HarmNone]

provide link to message where this is said

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Board administrators determine what is objectionable content.

This isn't a democracy.

very true.

I am not looking for a democracy.

I am looking for very clear cut rules that all follow

[StrayRogue]

If you want such rules, go post on the officials.

[Hassassin]

TOJ.... No offense, but the only post you've ever made towards me was completely off topic (refer to the "terrorism-yourviews" thread)

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by Hassassin
TOJ.... No offense, but the only post you've ever made towards me was completely off topic (refer to the "terrorism-yourviews" thread)


my point exactly why I need clearer rules

to you they are off post.

to me they are the in the theme of the conversation to quote the staff here as to why their posts are not removed when mine are

[HarmNone]

I just said it. You copied it. You have your link. You also have the specific part of the TOS points system that refers to the issue:

"Any member who posts content that is discriminatory against any ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation is in violation of forum policy and is subject to a violation count increase of at least 1 and at most 3."

The word "fag" used toward another person is discriminatory against that person's sexual orientation. It is a disparaging term, and will not be tolerated when used as such on these boards.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by HarmNone
I just said it. You copied it. You have your link. You also have the specific part of the TOS points system that refers to the issue:

"Any member who posts content that is discriminatory against any ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation is in violation of forum policy and is subject to a violation count increase of at least 1 and at most 3."

The word "fag" used toward another person is discriminatory against that person's sexual orientation. It is a disparaging term, and will not be tolerated when used as such on these boards.

fair enough you are the final say now. (but no Kranar link)

well I pointed out and can provide untold amounts of links where the terms homosexual and it's pedophile undertones are as offense and the use of fag is more acceptable such as fag hag


so again I encourage you to make the TOS clearer

p.s. dont forget to remove 1 point per 5 days.

[Jolena]

I hope you've utilized the report function when you've come across those posts that you feel were being offensive, TOJ.

[Doyle Hargraves]

Looks like they're just on a roll today. Apparently you can insult real people, but you can't insult beings that may or may not exist.

Just when I thought I'd seen it all...


From: HarmNone
To: Doyle Hargraves
Sent: 7-9-2005 at 07:53 PM
Message: I removed "Fuck Allah" from the following post. You're entitled to your opinion, and the passion with which you hold your opinion. You are not, however, entitled to insult another's diety in that manner.

posted on 7-9-2005 at 11:17 Post ID: 397450

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Jolena
I hope you've utilized the report function when you've come across those posts that you feel were being offensive, TOJ.

No worries, he's definately on top of them.

All of them.

[Artha]

Apparently you can insult real people, but you can't insult beings that may or may not exist.
Because nobody finds that insulting!

[Nieninque]

I'm more worried about Seany Analog's thread disappearing.

surely everyone got the joke there, right?

[Edaarin]

Yeah, that makes it okay.

EDIT: Moderators are given some latitude in determing objectionable content. In the last year, there has been more than one instance where I had a post edited for racism, even when it was me poking fun at Asian culture.

If it was that big a deal, I would have raised a shit storm or quit posting.

[Edited on 7-10-2005 by Edaarin]

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Nieninque
I'm more worried about Seany Analog's thread disappearing.

surely everyone got the joke there, right?


yeah, losing seany analog's thread was a bad idea.
I was laughing.. But to re-iterate it for those that missed-

"Seany Analog posted a topic called "The Biggest Fag I have ever Seen",

To which, Seany then proceeded to post a picture of a person dressed up in a cigarette costume, and compared the picture to one of normal cigarettes inside a brass cigarette case, with a red cover"

[Sean]

For what it's worth, it wasn't deleted it was moved for the time being. It gives the staff time to discuss it since the intention was, atleast in my eyes, to push boundries and is important for staff to discuss before we set a precedent for future removals.

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Tijay
It gives the staff time to discuss it since the intention was, atleast in my eyes, to push boundries and is important for staff to discuss before we set a precedent for future removals.

I thought boundaries were meant to be pushed, when did that change? :D

Anyway, isn't the challenge of authority inevitable in any system, whether passive or blatant?

[Edited on 7-10-2005 by Yswithe]

[Sean]

Originally posted by Yswithe

I thought boundaries were meant to be pushed, when did that change? :D

It didn't, but once you push too hard and cross it, then you become in violation. And part of our jobs as staff are to determine when you cross that line, well ultimately it's upto HN. A memeber of staff felt it was inappropriate so now it's being reviewed, thats about all I can say.

[Apotheosis]

Originally posted by Tijay
It didn't, but once you push too hard and cross it, then you become in violation. And part of our jobs as staff are to determine when you cross that line, well ultimately it's upto HN. A memeber of staff felt it was inappropriate so now it's being reviewed, thats about all I can say.

No big deal, just surprised as I didnt find the post offensive, and I am obviously homosexual.

[DeV]

Originally posted by theotherjohn
Homosexual is more of a violation than fag because many parents have become concerned that children may be molested, encouraged to become sexually active, or even "recruited" into adopting a homosexual identity and lifestyle.
Yeah, painfully clueless homophobic parents like my mom and dad for instance, before I came out to them.

Now, their views seemed to have taken a drastic change from the ridicuously negative view they once held. Funny how that works.

[theotherjohn]

Originally posted by DeV
Yeah, painfully clueless homophobic parents like my mom and dad for instance, before I came out to them.



sorry that you were a real world example of what I read about

[DeV]

Don't be sorry as there are no regrets of my experiences. There are millions of people, not only parents, who feel that way.

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Tijay
For what it's worth, it wasn't deleted it was moved for the time being. It gives the staff time to discuss it since the intention was, atleast in my eyes, to push boundries and is important for staff to discuss before we set a precedent for future removals.

See I saw it as a jab at Toj's petty whinges and a play on words about the British slang for cigarettes.

If that thread broke ToS, then the ToS needs a serious chill pill

[Sean]

Originally posted by Nieninque

See I saw it as a jab at Toj's petty whinges and a play on words about the British slang for cigarettes.

If that thread broke ToS, then the ToS needs a serious chill pill

And your opinion is noted.

Now to poll the other 2201 accounts....

[Nieninque]

Seriously Tijay, if that thread was upsetting, you should see about a sense of humour transplant.

And nice work on the sarcasm. Keep it up and you will soon be as sarcy as a proper Brit

[Skirmisher]

Seriously, it is being reviewed and discussed.

Save your outrage for if its pulled for good as it may well be back.

[Sean]

I was serious when I said your opinion was noted. Just as every posters opinion is when they have an issue. However ultimately it isn't a democracy and the administration has to make a decision. Me personally? Did I really care about that thread? Not really. I didn't remove it. However, a fellow staff member did and felt it should be looked at by the administration to help determine how far one can push the ToS before it's broken. Just because you or I may have seen it as amusing doesn't really make it Ok. Were all individuals and have different senses of humor and difference levels of tolerance. But in the end if the Administration feels posts skirting the ToS like that are fine then it will be returned and if they don't well then thats the precedent set for the future.

[Nieninque]

It isnt outrage. More dismay.
I am fully in support of the parts of the ToS that outlaw homophobic/racist/etc language, but IMHO that thread didnt come close to being anti-gay, or insulting to gay people.
By taking that down, I think it undermines the important stuff when that is censored/deleted.

As I said, Im not too fussed one way or the other, I just think it is misplaced. :shrug:

Long past bedtime...night :)

[Nieninque]

Originally posted by Tijay
I was serious when I said your opinion was noted. Just as every posters opinion is when they have an issue. However ultimately it isn't a democracy and the administration has to make a decision. Me personally? Did I really care about that thread? Not really. I didn't remove it. However, a fellow staff member did and felt it should be looked at by the administration to help determine how far one can push the ToS before it's broken. Just because you or I may have seen it as amusing doesn't really make it Ok. Were all individuals and have different senses of humor and difference levels of tolerance. But in the end if the Administration feels posts skirting the ToS like that are fine then it will be returned and if they don't well then thats the precedent set for the future.

I see the posts using "Beef wellington" as a euphamism for gay as skirting around the ToS. This was sardonic.

And if you were genuine about noting my PoV, you might want to leave this bit out:


Now to poll the other 2201 accounts....

Doesnt portray sincerity


Now really off to sleep.

[Edited on 10-7-05 by Nieninque]

[Skirmisher]

:bye:
Sleep well

[SpunGirl]

:banghead:

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Nieninque

Originally posted by Tijay
For what it's worth, it wasn't deleted it was moved for the time being. It gives the staff time to discuss it since the intention was, atleast in my eyes, to push boundries and is important for staff to discuss before we set a precedent for future removals.

See I saw it as a jab at Toj's petty whinges and a play on words about the British slang for cigarettes.

If that thread broke ToS, then the ToS needs a serious chill pill

As Sean said, this is being discussed by staff. I'll let you know when a decision has been made with regard to this particular thread.