Humanity

[Xcalibur]

It's a human thing to be curious and to seek out answers.

Yet, for a long time, human being thought it was the master of all things.

There was, however, 3 "narcissique" wounds to humanity and it completely changed its world.

The wound from astronomy:

Nicolas Copernicus proved that the Earth wasn't the center of the univers but was a rock among so MANY others.

So humanity wasn't the center of the world.

The wound caused by the theory of Evolution

Charles Darwin did the SACRILIGIOUS thing to proved that we weren't sacred creature but just an evolution of primates, our humanity was just following our animality.

The wound caused by Freud.

So we weren't the center of the universe, we weren't a sacred being, Freud proved, our final wound, that we weren't even master of ourselves.

Humanity wasn't controling his own consciousness...

Yet, there is some egocentric being that think, STILL in 2005 that they are alone in the universe, WORSE, that they were created by chance from nothing.

I think humanity is really stupid.

[Back]

I don’t think humanity is stupid. Just misguided. As our collective intelligence expands, I think we grow in strength. As long as that intelligence is shared as it grows, our chances for achieving our true purpose becomes more successful.

Everything you cite as a wound I see as a growth. You did not even mention the advent of the spoken, written, published, and now internet word as wounds. Without that, your citing would be irrelivant.

I feel that as more information becomes more available, we get closer and closer to lifting everyone to a level where a common goal can be possible.

[Edaarin]

I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I also think you're pretty retarded for thinking your opinion on shit is more correct than that of people who spend their entire lives researching how the universe started.

[Xcalibur]

It's just a human thing to think that there is nothing greater than to be human.

It's unhuman to think that there is something greater/better.

Most human (if not all) that don't believe in god/after life/being from another world are people GREALTY egocentric.

Among billion and billion of stars, there would be only one, on which the master is the human...

So pathetic.

[Back]

So what does your poll mean?

Yes
No
Elaborate

That humanity is stupid?
I voted no.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I also think you're pretty retarded for thinking your opinion on shit is more correct than that of people who spend their entire lives researching how the universe started.

I agree. I don't think its human nature to believe we are the be all and end of life in the universe. If we were we wouldn't believe in God.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Edaarin
I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I also think you're pretty retarded for thinking your opinion on shit is more correct than that of people who spend their entire lives researching how the universe started.

I agree. I don't think its human nature to believe we are the be all and end of life in the universe. If we were we wouldn't believe in God.

Says the one who calls people with faith in a God 'weak,' and 'stupid.'

Little hypocritical, eh?
(Assuming you were agreeing with Edaarin for saying I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.)

[Edited on 6-30-2005 by Hulkein]

[StrayRogue]

Where in the above post did I call these people not stupid? Oh thats right I didn't. Believing in God is one tiny example of how people can believe in something beyond what they can see, hear, touch or generally percieve. Because I think you're a stupid retard for believing this so positively considering all the hypocritical religious dogma out there IS my problem but not my point in the above post you stupid prick.

[Hulkein]

Well then you obviously don't agree with Edaarin's post.

Next time cut out what you agree with, douche bag.


<< Where in the above post did I call these people not stupid? >>


Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Edaarin
I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I also think you're pretty retarded for thinking your opinion on shit is more correct than that of people who spend their entire lives researching how the universe started.

I agree.

Let's add you calling anyone else stupid to your list of hypocritical actions as well.

Nice work needle dick.

[Edited on 6-30-2005 by Hulkein]

[Tsa`ah]

That wasn't his point, nor does it negate his stance.

A people that believe in something that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, are not a people that believe themselves to be the end all and be all of creation.

And X's twisted point of view about people that don't believe in god to be egocentric falls way short of anything he can validate, as those are generally the people that are seeking signs of life outside of our own rock, the people that believe that this rock can't be the only life supporting rock in the universe.

[ElanthianSiren]

Not believing or not choosing to follow an organized religion is not not believing in a God. It is not believing in the humans who propagate that God.

-M

[StrayRogue]

Erm, yes I am agreeing with him. I agree with him in respects that Xcalibur is stupid for trying to say "the way it is, and how it is". Everyone in entitled to their own beliefs but X, like you retarded Christians likes to shove it down peoples throats, regardless of A) how dumb it is and B) what people want.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
That wasn't his point, nor does it negate his stance.

A people that believe in something that is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, are not a people that believe themselves to be the end all and be all of creation.

And X's twisted point of view about people that don't believe in god to be egocentric falls way short of anything he can validate, as those are generally the people that are seeking signs of life outside of our own rock, the people that believe that this rock can't be the only life supporting rock in the universe.

Thanks Tsa.

[Artha]

How is saying, "There is no God and organized religion is stupid" every chance you get different from saying, "There is a God and he loves him some organized religion" whenever you can work it in?

Because I've noticed a lot of people that do the former don't appreciate it when others do the latter.

[Hulkein]

I never said anything about religion... I said a God.

I also didn't mention anything about what X said, I barely even read his babbling.

I just laughed at Stray agreeing with Ed about something he does the opposite of daily.

[Edited on 6-30-2005 by Hulkein]

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Artha
How is saying, "There is no God and organized religion is stupid" every chance you get different from saying, "There is a God and he loves him some organized religion" whenever you can work it in?

Because I've noticed a lot of people that do the former don't appreciate it when others do the latter.

There is no difference.

He makes fun of people for believing in a God more than I have ever tried to 'shove my religion down anyones throat.'

He also agrees with Edaarin that - "I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in." - yet rips people for believing differently than he does at any chance.

He's a hypocrite, really not much of a mystery anymore, though.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Artha
How is saying, "There is no God and organized religion is stupid" every chance you get different from saying, "There is a God and he loves him some organized religion" whenever you can work it in?

Because I've noticed a lot of people that do the former don't appreciate it when others do the latter.

Its different because most people who don't believe in God don't go to such extents at cramming their thoughts down others throats as those who do believe. Like on television, in the town centre, at rock concerts or by declaring war on someone else etc. I don't come to your door and tell you're wrong for believing in God. I don't spit on you and say you're the child of satan for liking rock music. I just think you're wrong and I'll say so if I'm asked.

[StrayRogue]

You're an idiot Hulkein. People can believe what they want. My GF is jewish for Gods sake. I don't chastize her for her beliefs because she doesn't assume the holier than thou attitude that you do.

[Artha]

You've got a point there. I don't (usually) see atheists on street corners or parking lots shouting about how someone's beliefs are wrong. God damn, do they come out of the woodwork on the internet though.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You're an idiot Hulkein. People can believe what they want. My GF is jewish for Gods sake. I don't chastize her for her beliefs because she doesn't assume the holier than thou attitude that you do.

This isn't about beliefs you stupid piece of shit.

For the last time -


Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Edaarin
I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I agree.

NEWS FLASH - YOU CALLING SOMEONE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN A GOD IS NOT AGREEING WITH EDAARIN.

[HarmNone]

Heh. He also got exactly what he wanted by getting a war going amongst several of you over religion. :whistle:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Its different because most people who don't believe in God don't go to such extents at cramming their thoughts down others throats as those who do believe. Like on television, in the town centre, at rock concerts or by declaring war on someone else etc. I don't come to your door and tell you're wrong for believing in God. I don't spit on you and say you're the child of satan for liking rock music. I just think you're wrong and I'll say so if I'm asked.

Translation - It's different because I don't agree with them.

It's also a few of the best sweeping generalizations I've seen in a while.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You're an idiot Hulkein. People can believe what they want. My GF is jewish for Gods sake. I don't chastize her for her beliefs because she doesn't assume the holier than thou attitude that you do.

This isn't about beliefs you stupid piece of shit.

For the last time -


Originally posted by StrayRogue

Originally posted by Edaarin
I think you're pretty stupid for thinking people are stupid for not believing what you believe in.

I agree.

NEWS FLASH - YOU CALLING SOMEONE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN A GOD IS NOT AGREEING WITH EDAARIN.

WHERE IN MY FIRST POST DO I SAY PEOPLE ARE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN GOD?

NOWHERE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Its different because most people who don't believe in God don't go to such extents at cramming their thoughts down others throats as those who do believe. Like on television, in the town centre, at rock concerts or by declaring war on someone else etc. I don't come to your door and tell you're wrong for believing in God. I don't spit on you and say you're the child of satan for liking rock music. I just think you're wrong and I'll say so if I'm asked.

Translation - It's different because I don't agree with them.

It's also a few of the best sweeping generalizations I've seen in a while.

Ah so the above doesn't happen. Gotcha. I guess you must live in a world were religious rights activists don't exist, rock concerts don't happen, and Jerhova's witnesses think they'd rather not bother people.

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by Artha
You've got a point there. I don't (usually) see atheists on street corners or parking lots shouting about how someone's beliefs are wrong. God damn, do they come out of the woodwork on the internet though.

Yep you got it. You're free to believe what you like Artha. I have a few Muslim friends which I'm cool with because they don't call me a stupid infidel (which ironically most Christians do). They're fine with me being Athiest.

[Hulkein]

<< WHERE IN MY FIRST POST DO I SAY PEOPLE ARE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN GOD?

NOWHERE YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. >>

I never said you did it in this thread..... I said - "Says the one who calls people with faith in a God 'weak,' and 'stupid." - which you have said in the past.

[ElanthianSiren]

My boyfriend got a "Get out of Hell Free" card hanging out one time, and I used to get tracts all the time in college. I don't mind. I read them, at least. However, claiming that these types of things don't happen is ignorant. They happen a lot based primarily if you look like good convert material.

-Melissa

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Yep you got it. You're free to believe what you like Artha. I have a few Muslim friends which I'm cool with because they don't call me a stupid infidel (which ironically most Christians do). They're fine with me being Athiest.

Since you've mentioned that, I want to go back to you saying something along the lines of 'tell me I'm going to hell, like you do.'

You made that up, plain and simple. I'm not a Bible thumper, I don't believe the world is 6000 years old or whatever, I don't believe you have to be Christian or you'll go to hell, and I've never criticized anyone for not being religious.

[StrayRogue]

And that how changes anything? Do you need this explained again?

Xcalibur's post is about how humanity do not look beyond themselves and view human beings as the be all end all of life and existence. I used the example of RELIGION, something I may not agree with but cannot deny, as a counterpoint to this by stating that countless billions of people have looked beyond themselves and the physical nature of the universe and had faifth in a greater being. They might all be wrong. Or not. Thats not the point. It was merely a counter to Xcalibur's viewpoint. God...

[Hulkein]

It doesn't change anything. I just wanted to clear that up since you characterized me as something I'm not for the fun of it earlier in this thread.

I also understand your point to X. I wasn't defending him or his post at all.

I posted the quote of what I was saying, it's in bold, the issue is over with.

[StrayRogue]

Ah you were just trolling. Gotcha.

[Back]

I’ll readily engage in a coherent conversation if it is presented well. I have to give X props for bringing up the discussion because it is a valid one.

Is humanity on the whole stupid? You’d never know from the PC. :lol:

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Ah you were just trolling. Gotcha.

I don't know.

I agreed with your retort to X, it makes sense and is undeniable, killing his argument.

I just had an issue with you acting like you were open-minded to everyones beliefs. Whether or not you meant to convey that sentiment, you did by saying that you agree 'it's stupid to think what others believe in is stupid.'

[StrayRogue]

Maybe. In fact I had considered the fact by not believing in God, and using that belief as a counterpoint, I was standing up to be counted along side all those selfish humanists who don't look beyond ourselves and our own race. However, the religion example is only but one avenue that our race has gone beyond X's view of humanity.

[Gan]

Interesting hypothesis Xcalibur. Since man is innately curious and wanting to learn more, that would make me want to disagree with you though.

And grouping humanity as a whole in your assessment that it is stupid based on the actions of some but not all of those who represent that group is what is stupid. Way to generalize; however, because you're part of humanity then I suppose you have the right to call yourself stupid - afterall you would know best right? :lol:

[fiendwish]

I vote yes because...well, why not? We are (collectively) what we are - sleazy, incredible, despicable, divine, etc., etc. The God debate always reminds me of Gertrude Stein's, "There ain't no answer. There ain't gonna be any answer. There never has been an answer. That's the answer." Of course, that's my and Stein's view, and, while hardly definitive, it's about the only big conclusion my personal experience has born out.

[SpunGirl]

I think Xcalibur is stupid for having as his avatar a logo of a team that doesn't even exist in Quebec anymore. Try Denver, dumbass.

Anyway, I don't think humanity is stupid. If Xcalibur judges humanity by himself and the company he likely keeps, then I can see where he comes up with that idea. But I agree with Backlash - the "wounds" cited are actually periods of growth and elightenment.

-K

[Xcalibur]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
I think Xcalibur is stupid for having as his avatar a logo of a team that doesn't even exist in Quebec anymore. Try Denver, dumbass.

Anyway, I don't think humanity is stupid. If Xcalibur judges humanity by himself and the company he likely keeps, then I can see where he comes up with that idea. But I agree with Backlash - the "wounds" cited are actually periods of growth and elightenment.

-K

Hey vomit fixed ugly thing, there is something called "history" which I am pretty fond of, so whenever I use a logo dead since 10 years or 1000 years, it's still ubber cool and you are terribly pendeja.

I'll come back for the rest.
:smug: