Lockpicking for Empaths

[The Cat In The Hat]

How would I figure out how much disarm picking and perception I would need to pick around level 80 boxes?

[hectomaner]

picking with current skills and being successful or not

there is no way to say you need xx skill in picking to get level 80 boxes.

traps/locks vary quite a bit in that age range, so it would depend on rift, tower, otf etc, from what ive seen they are somewhat consistant when from the same area

best thing to do is not pick as an empath

[The Cat In The Hat]

Originally posted by hectomaner
picking with current skills and being successful or not

there is no way to say you need xx skill in picking to get level 80 boxes.

traps/locks vary quite a bit in that age range, so it would depend on rift, tower, otf etc, from what ive seen they are somewhat consistant when from the same area

best thing to do is not pick as an empath


heehee well... I'm gonna try it :) Thanks for the response though. Guess I'll figure it out on my own.

[Apotheosis]

you'll need to max everything out, and even then, you might not be able to handle it.

Perception, Lockpick, trap disarm all play a role

[Trinitis]

Being that you are an empath, you can 2x locks, but only 1x disarm. At that age range, you'd have a fair chance of picking, but unless you force train a ton of perception and scroll reading, you will be hurting when it comes to the traps.

[Edaarin]

I assume you're going to try Aqueduct boxes?

From what I remember, those ranged from -700 to -1000. The vast majority are around -800 to -850.

Assuming 101 ranks and 25 dexterity and vaalin...

(201 + 25) x 2.5 = -565

Any locklore you'd get from a scroll would be half as useful as what a MnE caster would get self cast. I forget what the formula is, but I'm guessing the best that scroll/imbedded lore would do for you is maybe another -100.

So, to answer your question, you'd probably need at least 150 ranks to even consider it. I didn't -800 boxes until like level 65, and that was triple training as a rogue.

[hectomaner]

oh wow, 1x disarm, you will not be able to disarm level 80 boxes. even at level 100, with a 404 scroll/imbed.

at level 48, with 147 ranks of disarm, and self lore, my rogue can't disarm most decent traps from tower, and they only get worse

[Trinitis]

Originally posted by Edaarin
I assume you're going to try Aqueduct boxes?

From what I remember, those ranged from -700 to -1000. The vast majority are around -800 to -850.

Assuming 101 ranks and 25 dexterity and vaalin...

(201 + 25) x 2.5 = -565

Any locklore you'd get from a scroll would be half as useful as what a MnE caster would get self cast. I forget what the formula is, but I'm guessing the best that scroll/imbedded lore would do for you is maybe another -100.

So, to answer your question, you'd probably need at least 150 ranks to even consider it. I didn't -800 boxes until like level 65, and that was triple training as a rogue.

Don't forget that MIU and Scroll ranks, in high ammounts, count as actual ranks in the spell circle. But they've never told us exactly how much transfers.

Edit to add : Also, empaths get 2x locks, not 1x :)

[Edited on 6-29-2005 by Adredrin]

[Edaarin]

Oh, that's very true, I almost forgot. But for some reason I seem to remember them saying it would never be better than 1/2 (maybe 3/4) of self-cast lore.

And hectomaner brings up a very good point. Traps start from -300 and go up from there. There are (or were 9 months ago) a very bare handful of rogues that could disarm OTF boxes. Challen, Gorde, my rogue, Zylianara, maybe Drektor...couple others maybe.

EDIT: I know empaths can 2x locks, I think every profession can. But realistically there's no way she has enough points right now to do more than 1x.

[Edited on 6-29-2005 by Edaarin]

[The Cat In The Hat]

I just wanna do mage boxes since I get so loaded down with them. Would be nice to sanct, sit and pick so I wouldnt have to fog back to town and find a picker so often.

:nutty: I know, but I wanted to try it. Been knocking the idea around for so long now.

She lost 16 to her empath CS, 6 to her spiritual CS and about 30 to her DS. I can live with it I think. Still weeding out though how much she'll need to get mage boxes and if she even can. Ive broke 2 picks so far, and managed to see and disarm one trap (Out of 2 boxes)

Disarming Traps....................| 180 80 80
Picking Locks......................| 200 100 100
Perception.........................| 150 50 50

[Trinitis]

if you are going for picking, you are going to want to push that preception way up. At least 1.5x, I'd aim for 2x.

[Dwarven Empath]

Edaarin..so a dwarven empath with:

101 disarm traps
202 picking locks
202 perception
dex bonus 18

So the highest lock I can pick is -758?

[Edaarin]

General formula is

[(Lockpick skill bonus + Dexterity bonus) x lockpick modifier]

Keep in mind you're looking at bonus, not ranks.

So with those, you would have
[(302 + 18) x 2.5] = -800

[hectomaner]

locks for the ducts are more like -900+ not -800 to -900

and assuming your agi/dex/int/dis bonus' were all 25, here is what you can do. this is using self (scroll or magic item) lores


**LockPick Mod : Base: Lore
**Copper 1.00 : 225 : 272
**Brass 1.00 : 225 : 272
**Steel 1.10 : 247 : 299
**Ivory 1.20 : 270 : 326
**Gold 1.20 : 270 : 326
**Silver 1.30 : 292 : 353
**Mithril 1.45 : 326 : 394
**Ora 1.55 : 348 : 421
**Glaes 1.60 : 360 : 435
**Laje 1.75 : 393 : 476
**Vultite 1.80 : 405 : 489
**Rolaren 1.90 : 427 : 516
**Veniom 2.20 : 495 : 598
**Invar 2.25 : 506 : 612
**Alum 2.30 : 517 : 625
**Golvern 2.30 : 517 : 625
**Kelyn 2.40 : 540 : 652
**Vaalin 2.50 : 562 : 680
**
** Max Trap: 205
** Max Trap With Lore: 251

[hectomaner]

Originally posted by Celember
Edaarin..so a dwarven empath with:

101 disarm traps
202 picking locks
202 perception
dex bonus 18

So the highest lock I can pick is -758?

give me your agi bonus, int bonus, dis bonus, and level and i'll give you an accurate number

[Dwarven Empath]

agi bonus is 16, int is 25, dis is 34, level is 100

[Edaarin]

I'm almost positive lockpicking is based on dexterity and not agility. Disarming is wisdom.

And from what I remembered, Aqueduct rarely went above -900. Regular OTF however was generally high 900s to god only knows. Best I ever got was a -1280...the day before they put best locks in profiles.

[Gan]

Highest OTF lock I've seen is -1285. And there's been a few boxes I never could get a read on the lock, so that means there's some 1300 or better which is just plain sick. Highest trap I've seen so far is a -488 scales which I had no intention of attempting.

My empath gets loaded down with boxes all the time from OTF, thats why my rogue is a triple picker - at 72 he can pick 90% of the boxes I get from OTF which is a very nice thing for the pocketbook. So I can understand your wanting to learn picking. I just dont know what percentage you'll be able to pick from Ithzir.

Good luck though, it will be interesting to see the results. Be sure to enable the max lock and trap in your profile so we can watch your progress.