O'Reilly, stop being a fucktard

[Wezas]

This may be OFN, but I was poking around Ifilms and found this (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2671823).

Stephanopoulos was interviewing Senator Joe Biden and asked about Guantanamo Bay. He stated:


We should have an independent US commission take a look at it, make recommendations to the Congress. That bill I introduced is going to get a hearing in the judiciary committee in the next couple of weeks.

O'Reilly butchers the film for his TV program and makes it look like Biden is pushing for the hasty closing of Guantanamo (without any mention of a commission). O'Reilly then goes on to say that in *his* (O'Reilly's) personal opinion:


The Bush administration should set up an independent commission to investigate American detainee policy across the board.

BTW, How are we doing on that politics subfolder? :saint:

[Warriorbird]

It is what he gets paid for.

Sort've like Michael Savage gets paid to go on and on about the horrible liberals taking over even though they conservatives are running the country.

[Edited on 6-16-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Parkbandit]

;)

[Warriorbird]

Not exactly a valid comparison. Still, saying you're anti torture and then having offshore torture facilities is sort've ironic. Saying, "We shouldn't reduce ourselves to their level" and then "We don't think the Geneva Convention is appropriate for this conflict." is ridiculous.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Not exactly a valid comparison. Still, saying you're anti torture and then having offshore torture facilities is sort've ironic. Saying, "We shouldn't reduce ourselves to their level" and then "We don't think the Geneva Convention is appropriate for this conflict." is ridiculous.

I don't equate having the lights on all day/night, turning on and off the AC and depriving them of a little sleep for a few days as "torture". Their "torture" conditions over the past 4 years are still better than their best days over in the Middle East.

[Wezas]

Ifilms is pretty cool. (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2664114)

Here's another of Bill O'Reilly arguing that Canada needs to be wary of a boycot by the US - similar to the boycot of France. O'Reilly continues to say that the "Paris Business Review" has recorded that they had lost "billions" of dollars because of the boycott.

There is no Paris Business Review, the statistics were made up. French-American trade has actually went up two years ago.

[Warriorbird]

Hmm. Beatings, religious desecration, wiping menstrual blood on faces, and sexual aggression != torture? Strange, PB.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Hmm. Beatings, religious desecration, wiping menstrual blood on faces, and sexual aggression != torture? Strange, PB.

He pays good money for that type of service :saint:

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Hmm. Beatings, religious desecration, wiping menstrual blood on faces, and sexual aggression != torture? Strange, PB.

And this is from the same source as Newsweak's?

[Wezas]

One last link un-related to O'Reilly.

One of the only republicans I have respect for, and why I have respect for him:

Colin Powell (http://www.ifilm.com/ifilmdetail/2646845)

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Wezas

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Hmm. Beatings, religious desecration, wiping menstrual blood on faces, and sexual aggression != torture? Strange, PB.

He pays good money for that type of service :saint:

I swear some days I think that you have surpassed PB on my short list of favorite people. Too funny.


-Not a red-head.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by TheRoseLady
I swear some days I think that you have surpassed PB on my short list of favorite people. Too funny.


-Not a red-head.

Wow.. so easily replaced.

No more love for you.

:sniffle:

[xtc]

O'Reilly is a joke. On many issues I have a conservative stance however O'Reilly is an embarrassment to conservatives. Now the liberals have people who are as equally embarrassing.

There have been numerous negative reports about the Guantanemo Bay facility. You have to ask yourself if there was nothing wrong with the activities in this prison, why do they have to locate it in a spot where it is hidden from the American people and the media? I think the Democrats are making a reasonable request to shut this “prison” down. There are people here who have been held without charge or trial for three years. If they do indeed pose a threat to America then charge them and hold a trial.

[Parkbandit]

In any modern day war... WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.. did we offer trials for any of our prisoners of war? Did we release them before the war was even over?

There's a reason these scumbags are being held in prison.

Maybe we should just release them all.. ship them back over to Afganistan and Iraq and let them just join up again and attack our forces.

Christ.. I think I'm having a damn seizure.

[TheRoseLady]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
Wow.. so easily replaced.

No more love for you.

:sniffle:

Never that easily replaced. :loveu:

Although I must admit my mind is a bit foggy - I am agreeing with you on a quasi-political topic. :scared:

[Edaarin]

O'Reilly has a completely unjustified ego problem. I've never heard a grown man whine as much as him on stupid shit like internet critics. He really needs to take some Pepto Bismol for the diarrhea of the mouth that he's been suffering from.

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I generally consider the Times and even the Post stronger sources than Newsweek. Also the official Army investigation. But what do I know?



[Edited on 6-17-2005 by Warriorbird]

[Gan]

A television camera will do that to people (ego problems).

It seems that nowdays the only thing that will ensure longevity in any broadcasting arena is who can be the most outrageous and idiotic. Unfortunately we the public have naught to blame for that but ourselves since we are the ones who buy into it.

I dont watch O'Reilly because he crosses the line and attempts to form opinions for people through persuasion and appealing to their vulnerabilities of fear and ignorance. Please dont assume that O'Reilly is the only one who does that, anyone in the media, politics, or entertainment also use/abuse this angle.

Just give me the facts, and let me interpret them for myself. Thx!

[Wezas]

Oh, I don't think he's the only one.

But he's the only one currently residing in the "No-spin zone" of denial/deception.

[Back]

MediaMatters (http://mediamatters.org/).com. No one gets out clean!

[Gan]

Originally posted by Backlash
MediaMatters (http://mediamatters.org/).com. No one gets out clean!

Also quoted from Media Matters.com

"Media Matters for America -- a progressive, Washington-based, nonprofit research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media -- seeks dedicated, talented individuals to fill a number of job openings:"


... Enough said ...

[Back]

Are you are trying to say that people like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Riely are legitimate? Or were you talking about the real people in power? The christian conservative neocon right-wing war-hawks? The administration who has consistently ignored progress both socially and in science? Unless you count weapons in space “science.”

Or are you saying they are all full of shit?

[Gan]

I'm saying Mediamatter.com is just another biased web news source attempting to distort factual thinking to a pre-meditated direction.

<Are you are trying to say that people like Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Riely are legitimate?> - Read my previous post.

<Or were you talking about the real people in power?> - I dont know where you got this from. Nowhere did I mention anyone in power - just mediamatters.com. In my post before my last post I even elaborated that I give media political sources (who specialize in political news) very little consideration because... just read my post plz.

<The christian conservative neocon right-wing war-hawks?> HOLY COW, you're coming after me like I scraped the bark off of your favorite hugging tree. Calm down and read my previous posts plz.

<The administration who has consistently ignored progress both socially and in science?> I dont know where this came from either... This thread is about O'Reilly not about our current administration. Please stay on topic or start another thread if you wish to discuss the merits of our current administration.

<Unless you count weapons in space “science.” > WOW, someone did get you riled up eh? This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. In fact, I think this is just another lame attempt to flame up an argument. Please keep to the original line of thought - here's a hint: We're talking about O'Reilly.

[Warriorbird]

Pretty much every source is biased. Parkbandit rails against liberal bias at times but is a Drudge report fan.

[Back]

Originally posted by Ganalon
<Unless you count weapons in space “science.” > WOW, someone did get you riled up eh? This has absolutely nothing to do with this topic. In fact, I think this is just another lame attempt to flame up an argument. Please keep to the original line of thought - here's a hint: We're talking about O'Reilly.

Its been a little while since I’ve posted anything political, so it all just flew out yesterday. :)

But buried in all that is a point. You discount a site based solely on their statement which simply says their gonna call bullshit on conservatives. If you look over the site, you’ll see that they cover quite a wide range and variety of reporting including Chris Matthews and Bill Moyers to name a couple on the other side of the fence.

With so many self-proclaimed conservatives in the media and more importantly politics, to discount something based on being non-conservative or anti-conservative should also discount anything a conservative voice says.

I will agree with you though that with ANY reporting, find corroboration and check the sources to come to as close to an informed conclusion as possible. There is a whole hell of a lot of opinion out there getting passed off as news.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Pretty much every source is biased. Parkbandit rails against liberal bias at times but is a Drudge report fan.

Well I must be a fan.. if I am a Republican.

I will use a retarded source like Drudge or Limbaugh whenever I see an equally retarded source from the other side. If that makes me a "fan".. then so be it.

[Wezas]

The only time I use Drudge as a source is if noone else has reported it yet. One thing he does have is swiftness.

I try to find un-bias links, like Routers and factcheck.org, but sometimes they don't have the story yet and sites like Foxnews just won't run it. Even if several other sites are.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by Wezas
The only time I use Drudge as a source is if noone else has reported it yet. One thing he does have is swiftness.

I try to find un-bias links, like Routers and factcheck.org, but sometimes they don't have the story yet and sites like Foxnews just won't run it. Even if several other sites are.

What a fucking closet Republican you are. Just come out already.

[Wezas]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
What a fucking closet Republican you are. Just come out already.

Just because I'm a dick doesn't mean I'm a Republican.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Parkbandit
In any modern day war... WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam.. did we offer trials for any of our prisoners of war? Did we release them before the war was even over?

There's a reason these scumbags are being held in prison.

Maybe we should just release them all.. ship them back over to Afganistan and Iraq and let them just join up again and attack our forces.

Christ.. I think I'm having a damn seizure.

Perhaps, you have heard of the Nuremberg Trials.

We invaded Afghanistan because we believed members of Osama bin Laden's group were there and because the ruling Taliban Government wouldn't release members of Bin Laden's group to us.

Now if the people we are holding are members of Bin Ladens group, lets have a trial convict and hold them in a prison on U.S. soil.

[Edited on 6-17-2005 by xtc]

[Latrinsorm]

February, 1945
Meeting at Yalta, FDR, Churchill and Stalin agree that a prosecution of Axis leaders should follow the expected conclusion of World War II. Guess PB wins that one. I don't know if it's a valid comparison though, on account of the War on Terror isn't a conventional war by any means.

[Warriorbird]

Of course. That's why we shouldn't follow the Geneva convention. How many wars this century have been "conventional", Latrin?

Just about all of them. :)
Tank on Tank crime and all.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Of course.:)
That's why we shouldn't follow the Geneva convention.Oh, you were being sarcastic. :(
How many wars this century have been "conventional", Latrin? Of the ones we fought, I'm thinking 4? Maybe 5? Depends on what you count as a war, I reckon.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

February, 1945
Meeting at Yalta, FDR, Churchill and Stalin agree that a prosecution of Axis leaders should follow the expected conclusion of World War II. Guess PB wins that one. I don't know if it's a valid comparison though, on account of the War on Terror isn't a conventional war by any means.

I think you said it in the second part of your post. It isn't a valid comparison, there have been elections in Afghanistan and a new Prime Minister elected so I think it is far to have trials now.

[Parkbandit]

I have no problem with putting these individuals into a military type trial... but I don't believe now is the time. We still have people shooting us in those areas.. and if we were to let them go back, chances are most of them would be the ones shooting.

Wait a minute.. that might not be such a bad idea. Send them back over there.. let them take up arms again. It would be far cheaper for us to simply kill them than put them through the military legal system.

xtc is right!

[Warriorbird]

"Depends on what you count as a war, I reckon."

We have a winner. The number of declared wars is very very low. The number of "police actions" and "UN Peacekeeping missions" and so on is much higher.