a bit of help?

[GarrsSoul]

alright...i came up with something at school today that i thought would be really cool, and im not really sure if its possible or not, and if it is...how could i go about doing it?

this is what i came up with:

description:
A small, dark green chameleon with a gaping mouth.

tap:
As you tap the chameleon between the eyes it suddenly outstretches its tongue in a rage, revealing a long, silvery golvern blade.

rub:
As you stroke your green chameleons back it looks up at you intently and slowly pulls its togue back into its mouth.

show:
The small, dark green chameleon swivels its turret like eyes at you and stares unmovingly.

enchant:
10x

weight:
4 pounds

longsword based, with masterfully crit weighting....




well...if you cant tell i love reptiles IRL, and i'd like to show that more in game....would it be possible to get that done? and if so, how? Also i'd like to hear what you think about my idea...

[HarmNone]

I doubt very seriously that you could get something like that made, Garr. You might ask an alterer about it the next time one is around, but I really think the answer will be a resounding "NO!".

It is a cute idea, though. :D

HarmNone

[SpunGirl]

They won't let you call a sword or weapon a "chameleon," first off. This would be even worse than Augie's tart cutter. It might be a cute toy. And a SHOW is unlikely to show an item actually DOING something, SHOW descriptions are usually reserved for more detail of the item.

Totally unique scripting like this is also incredibly rare.

-K

[GarrsSoul]

well...like i said...i really dont know much about alters...i barely know anything about them....ive heard something about like god alters or something? where you can create a totally unique item...or was that just a rumor that i heard? if not could it be done that way?

[SpunGirl]

There are such things as God Auction items, meaning a cool unique item created by a GM (I wish people would quit referring to GMs as "gods," they're not and they items they create are not god-created, either. For chrissakes).

Anyway, Garr, go to the main website and click on INFO, and fight the section about alterations. There should be some pretty broad guidelines there for what they will/will not allow.

Something to consider MIGHT be having a green longsword, or something, and have a SHOW of a chameleon-shaped hilt with the blade coming out of its mouth.

-K

[GarrsSoul]

yeah but i thought it would be neat to have the sword come out of the chameleon like a chameleons tongue does right before it hunts

[SpunGirl]

Yeah. They're not going to let you, I can almost guarantee it. Sorry.

-K

[GarrsSoul]

are there any specific reasons as to why you dont think i can get it done? other than the show i mean..

[SpunGirl]

1. I don't see them letting you change the base description of the item. If it's a weapon, they won't make a chameleon out of it.

2. Custom, unique scripting like you're talking about is hardly ever done. In almost three years of playing, I've seen the opportunity offered once, to the tune of more than five mil.

-K

[DCSL]

I don't think you'll ever be able to get that done unless a GM goes insane. You cannot call weapons anything other than what they are. So you cannot call your weapon a chameleon.

Items are not usually allowed to take on an appearance of life. It's been done, but only on very very very special items that're usually the GM's own idea (like the shoulder lizards) and not given out during general altering sessions.

You will also not be able to specify the enchantment and weighting of the weapon. Alterers will only alter the description of the item. You would have to supply them with the 10x weighted longsword.

Type premium 12 in game and you'll get a few rules for alterations.

[GarrsSoul]

5 mil isnt much really...for that i would be willing to pay a few hundred mil....

[GarrsSoul]

even if it wasnt weighted or enchanted...i would still pay a few hundred mil for it

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by GarrsSoul]

[HarmNone]

Next time an weapons alterer is around, Garr, tell him or her (if you get the chance) about your idea. Sometimes, if they have the time, they can help you work with your idea to find something that they CAN do.

Exactly what you have described here will not be done.

HarmNone

[SpunGirl]

If money was the only factor holding back from alterations that shouldn't be made, we'd see a world full of shit in Elanthia.

They won't make that specific alteration, Garr. Take HarmNone's advice, it's good.

-K

[CrystalTears]

Even if some crackhead merchant were to change a sword to a chameleon (I seriously, truly doubt it, but you know, you can never tell with these people these days), they won't do an item alteration AND the scripts all in one sitting. They only do one or the other, and usually the item description alteration is the one you'll see the most often.

Hell even if you have premium for 2 years and choose the script item gift, you're only able to choose one of their predesigned options rather than your own.

What you could hold out for is altering a closable sheath into the shape of a chameleon so that when you open it, it opens the mouth of the chameleon and reveals the blade.

[SpunGirl]

http://www.play.net/gs3/info/merchantguide.asp

Maybe this will be helpful.

-K

[GarrsSoul]

wellll....i guess i could be willing to part with a bit of RL money if it would get the job done...

[CrystalTears]

It won't. Consider other options, like my sheath idea, or do what HarmNone suggested and speak to a merchant directly.

[SpunGirl]

DUDE. I've been reading this thread for five minutes and I'm already banging my head against the fucking wall.

THEY'RE NOT MAKING THAT ITEM. You asked for help, you got it. Don't sit there and argue with us when you asked for advice. For crying out loud.

-K

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by GarrsSoul
wellll....i guess i could be willing to part with a bit of RL money if it would get the job done...

I do not care if you can pay in real-life blue diamonds, Garr. This alteration is NOT going to fly.

CT's sheath idea is a great one! That might be doable, but it will take more than one alteration session, in all probability, to get something near to what you want. It will also be very expensive.

HarmNone

[GarrsSoul]

im not arguin really...just finding out my exact boundries...

[HarmNone]

Boundary number one: You cannot turn a weapon into a chameleon, or a lampshade, or a rabbit's foot, or any other thing. A weapon must be a weapon, and must look like a weapon.
Boundary number two: You will not get an appearance alter and heavy scripting in one sitting. The heavy scripting is going to be hard to get anyway, and very costly.
Boundary number three: You really need to go read the data on the GemStone site about alters. That will give you some guidelines to go by. I believe there are also player sites listed in Links (on the play.net site) that will assist you further. Do your homework.

HarmNone

[Zir]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by GarrsSoul
wellll....i guess i could be willing to part with a bit of RL money if it would get the job done...

I do not care if you can pay in real-life blue diamonds, Garr. This alteration is NOT going to fly.

CT's sheath idea is a great one! That might be doable, but it will take more than one alteration session, in all probability, to get something near to what you want. It will also be very expensive.

HarmNone

I think real diamonds would probably work. Heh.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by Zir
I think real diamonds would probably work. Heh.

Mmmhmm. GM makes item, you pay with real-life diamonds. Simu fires GM. Item is nerfed into a pile of goo. Diamonds are kaput. Oh, shit!

HarmNone does not think this is productive reasoning ;)

*edited because my keyboard has a mind of its own. A very sick mind.*

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by HarmNone]

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by HarmNone]

[Zir]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by Zir
I think real diamonds would probably work. Heh.

Mmmhmm. GM makes item, you pay with real-life diamonds. Simu fires GM. Item is nerfed into a pile of goo. Diamonds are kaput. Oh, shit!

HarmNone does not think this is productive reasoning ;)

*edited because my keyboard has a mind of its own. A very sick mind.*

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by HarmNone]

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by HarmNone]


Only if someone blabs. Well...considering the customer is Garr, it's probably not a good idea.

[StrayRogue]

Oh god the idiocy, the idiocy....

[SpunGirl]

Hence the head banging against the wall... I'm done.

-K

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Oh god the idiocy, the idiocy....

::HarmNone pokes Stray playfully::

Awww, hush. I think he has gotten the message. :o

HarmNone cackles alarmingly

[AnticorRifling]

Did I just read this entire thread only to walk away with nothing but a dull pain behind my eyes and the realization that I am now dumber?

Thank you so very, very much Advil's stock just went up.

[StrayRogue]

I suppose we were all new once. Although its hella easier these days to find out exactly what you need to know.

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I suppose we were all new once. Although its hella easier these days to find out exactly what you need to know.

Ain't that the bloody truth? Hopefully, Garr will learn from this to check out all the available information on his own before bringing questions like this to the forum. Once you have the basics, you can target your questions much better. :)

HarmNone remembers being young and clueless in Elanthia

[Artha]

My best advice would be to go for a a chameleon hilted longsword, with a show of the blade looking like the tongue and the rest of the hilt/pommel/handel being fashioned like a chameleon.

What an alter is, basically, is a merchant changing how an item looks both when you hold it, and possibly when you LOOK AT the item.

Example:

I get my broadsword altered into an uber broadsword, with the show: This broadsword sure is uber!

>Artha removes his uber broadsword from his sheath.

>Artha shows you his uber broadsword.
This broadsword sure is uber!


Alternately, you could wait for a merchant who will alter scripted items (very rare, now, because they also have to edit each and every script on the item), and get one of those sheaths from the dhu gillywack which pops the weapon into your hand, and get that sheath altered into the chameleon.

[Edited on 9-25-2003 by Artha]

[SpunGirl]

Originally posted by HarmNone

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I suppose we were all new once. Although its hella easier these days to find out exactly what you need to know.

Ain't that the bloody truth? Hopefully, Garr will learn from this to check out all the available information on his own before bringing questions like this to the forum. Once you have the basics, you can target your questions much better. :)

HarmNone remembers being young and clueless in Elanthia

Hell, I don't mind that he asked the question, but to argue, wheedle and basically toss aside the advice of the people who ANSWER your question....

hell, that's just Garr. I even tried to be nice.

-K