DOGE Spending Cuts

[ClydeR]

But there was also an elephant in the rooms they visited: An unspoken understanding that Musk’s stated goal of slashing federal spending by $2 trillion is already DOA.

The reason for this comes down to math.

In fiscal 2023, for example, the federal government spent a total of $6.1 trillion, according to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office.

Of that $6.1 trillion, about $3.8 trillion was already off limits for cuts on day one, legally obligated to go toward mandatory spending programs like Social Security benefits for retired workers, Medicare coverage and veterans benefits.

After that, roughly $650 billion was set aside to pay the interest on the national debt.

This left $1.7 trillion for everything else, known as discretionary funding. $805 billion of this was spent on national defense, a largely untouchable pot of money. Finally, the remainder was divided up among the federal departments that perform much of the visible, daily work of government, agencies like FEMA, NASA, and Customs and Border Protection.

More... (https://www.cnbc.com/2024/12/06/doges-musk-ramaswamy-try-to-sell-congress-on-huge-spending-cuts.html)

Math makes DOGE impossible. How did Musk not recognize this simple problem in advance? I bet he got the $2 trillion idea from Grok.

Or am I overlooking something? Surely he wouldn't cut the $3.8 trillion of mandatory spending. If that's how he plans to do it, I predict he'll go after benefits for veterans first. They're politically less powerful.

[~Rocktar~]

A Thread For ClydeR (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?137591-A-Thread-For-ClydeR)

[ClydeR]

“Here’s how: if your [Social Security number] ends in an odd number, you’re fired,” he wrote.

“That downsizes government by half. Absolutely *nothing* will break as a result,” Ramaswamy claimed.

The 38-year-old biotech entrepreneur argued that the plan would not violate civil service rules “because mass layoffs are exempt” and would prevent government employees from claiming their firings were politically motivated.

“Further firings can be executed with a chisel, but Step 1 needs to be an unrestrained chainsaw or else it just won’t happen,” Ramaswamy argued.

More... (https://nypost.com/2023/11/13/news/vivek-ramaswamy-vows-to-fire-federal-workers-based-on-social-security-numbers-nothing-will-break/)

Is Trump's SSN odd or even?

[~Rocktar~]

A Thread For ClydeR (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?137591-A-Thread-For-ClydeR)
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[ClydeR]

Despite Trump's campaign promises to the contrary, Republicans are already forcing votes on cutting Social Security, even though they do not yet control the Senate. When the GOP picks up a few more seats in January, that could be the tipping point.


“Came close,” Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.) quipped after the presiding chair gaveled the end of the vote.

Paul offered the amendment to offset the cost of the Social Security Fairness Act, a bill to repeal two statutes that limit the payouts to police officers, firefighters, teachers and other state and local public sector workers.

More... (https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5049988-house-republicans-government-shutdown/)


Paul explained his proposal would raise the retirement age by three months every year and argued Congress will have to raise it sooner or later to save the Social Security’s finances.

“What it does is actually pays for this $200 billion expansion and then some. It has to be done. It will be done at some point. I offered it 13 years ago, and every year we waited, we’ve gotten further behind the 8-ball and it is harder to dig out of this hole,” he said.

[~Rocktar~]

A Thread For ClydeR (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?137591-A-Thread-For-ClydeR)
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[ClydeR]

As co-chair of the DOGE committee, Vivek Ramaswamy says the U.S. should give more visas to engineers and computer programmers from other countries, because that's whom American companies should prioritize hiring. Americans are mediocre because they spent too much of their youth watching teevee and playing video games. Letting in more foreign nerds would make American great again. Do you agree?

Also, he's going to change the culture so that math olympiad champs are idolized more than prom queens and jocks. Good luck with that.



Vivek Ramaswamy
@VivekGRamaswamy
The reason top tech companies often hire foreign-born & first-generation engineers over “native” Americans isn’t because of an innate American IQ deficit (a lazy & wrong explanation). A key part of it comes down to the c-word: culture. Tough questions demand tough answers & if we’re really serious about fixing the problem, we have to confront the TRUTH:

Our American culture has venerated mediocrity over excellence for way too long (at least since the 90s and likely longer). That doesn’t start in college, it starts YOUNG.

A culture that celebrates the prom queen over the math olympiad champ, or the jock over the valedictorian, will not produce the best engineers.

A culture that venerates Cory from “Boy Meets World,” or Zach & Slater over Screech in “Saved by the Bell,” or ‘Stefan’ over Steve Urkel in “Family Matters,” will not produce the best engineers.

(Fact: I know *multiple* sets of immigrant parents in the 90s who actively limited how much their kids could watch those TV shows precisely because they promoted mediocrity…and their kids went on to become wildly successful STEM graduates).

More movies like Whiplash, fewer reruns of “Friends.” More math tutoring, fewer sleepovers. More weekend science competitions, fewer Saturday morning cartoons. More books, less TV. More creating, less “chillin.” More extracurriculars, less “hanging out at the mall.”

Most normal American parents look skeptically at “those kinds of parents.” More normal American kids view such “those kinds of kids” with scorn. If you grow up aspiring to normalcy, normalcy is what you will achieve.

Now close your eyes & visualize which families you knew in the 90s (or even now) who raise their kids according to one model versus the other. Be brutally honest.

“Normalcy” doesn’t cut it in a hyper-competitive global market for technical talent. And if we pretend like it does, we’ll have our asses handed to us by China.

This can be our Sputnik moment. We’ve awaken from slumber before & we can do it again. Trump’s election hopefully marks the beginning of a new golden era in America, but only if our culture fully wakes up. A culture that once again prioritizes achievement over normalcy; excellence over mediocrity; nerdiness over conformity; hard work over laziness.

That’s the work we have cut out for us, rather than wallowing in victimhood & just wishing (or legislating) alternative hiring practices into existence. I’m confident we can do it.

More... (https://twitter.com/VivekGRamaswamy/status/1872312139945234507)

[ClydeR]

Musk, the second of Trump's two co-chairs leading the DOGE committee is weighing in on the discussion of foreign workers. Musk is showing himself as unreceptive to being questioned. This is not a good omen DOGE's prospects of being able to reduce government spending, an effort that would definitely require being questioned.


https://i.imgur.com/XCQ9Xgz.png
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1872860577057448306 (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1872860577057448306)



Musk has reportedly even used his ownership of Twitter to punish conservatives who disagreed with his views on visas for foreign workers..


The online beef between Donald Trump’s Silicon Valley backers and the more traditionally conservative MAGA base has culminated in Elon Musk allegedly using X to censor his fellow Trump supporters.

Laura Loomer, Gavin Mario Wax, ConservativePAC, and Owen Shroyer all had their X verification badges removed Thursday night after criticizing Musk’s stances on labor and immigration earlier in the day.

More... (https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-newest-critics-x-142752266.html)

[ClydeR]

As co-chair of the DOGE committee, Vivek Ramaswamy says the U.S. should give more visas to engineers and computer programmers from other countries, because that's whom American companies should prioritize hiring. Americans are mediocre because they spent too much of their youth watching teevee and playing video games. Letting in more foreign nerds would make American great again.

I feel like I owe Mr. Ramaswamy an apology. I never meant to get him fired..


The Department of Government Efficiency’s first order of business was itself: It’s now down to one leader.

Vivek Ramaswamy is no longer part of the commission that President Donald Trump championed, officials confirmed hours after the Republican took office Monday, and that leaves billionaire Elon Musk to run the cost-cutting operation alone.

More... (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/as-he-mulls-run-for-ohio-governor-ramaswamy-wont-serve-on-trumps-government-efficiency-commission)

[Furryrat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKT7bx-fmtk

[ClydeR]

https://i.imgur.com/XtVTCtm.png
https://x.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1888208483410972970


James scored another touchdown.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/XtVTCtm.png
https://x.com/NewYorkStateAG/status/1888208483410972970


James scored another touchdown.

A week from now you'll pretend you never made this post.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Only democrats would cry about our trillion in spending being audited.

[Methais]

Only democrats would cry about our trillion in spending being audited.

99% of these dumbasses don't even know why they're crying other than because that's what the code in the latest NPC patch told them to do.

The other 1% are the corrupt idiots who are doing the laundering.

[Back]

DOGE is bullshit. Musk is just targeting government agencies that stand in his and other billionaire's way. It's conflict of interest on a massive scale!

Further, the agencies they are cutting are all the agencies that are there to protect the average American from fraud, predatory lending, workplace safety, unfair labor practices, health services, and the list grows longer every day.

Where is the talk of what saving all this money is going to do for the average American besides make them less safe and less financially secure?

Billions of dollars go to billionaires in government contracts and subsidies. Are those getting looked at? Will those be cut down at all?

[Suppressed Poet]

DOGE is bullshit. Musk is just targeting government agencies that stand in his and other billionaire's way. It's conflict of interest on a massive scale!

Further, the agencies they are cutting are all the agencies that are there to protect the average American from fraud, predatory lending, workplace safety, unfair labor practices, health services, and the list grows longer every day.

Where is the talk of what saving all this money is going to do for the average American besides make them less safe and less financially secure?

Billions of dollars go to billionaires in government contracts and subsidies. Are those getting looked at? Will those be cut down at all?

Trump is doing exactly what he said he was going to do while campaigning, and yet you act like this is a great surprise.

Every dollar saved that reduces our deficit spending helps the average American. Government spending is the primary source of inflation. Reducing our deficit increases the buying power of the dollar & lowers the financial burden of taxpayers.

I support a full audit of every federal agency and cuts where it makes sense. Fiscally minded conservatives and libertarians have advocated for years a serious reduction in the size & scope of our federal government. I hate to be the one to tell you, but a government contract with Starlink for satellite ISP or Microsoft for Windows is probably necessary for obvious reasons…

[Methais]

DOGE is bullshit. Musk is just targeting government agencies that stand in his and other billionaire's way. It's conflict of interest on a massive scale!

Further, the agencies they are cutting are all the agencies that are there to protect the average American from fraud, predatory lending, workplace safety, unfair labor practices, health services, and the list grows longer every day.

Where is the talk of what saving all this money is going to do for the average American besides make them less safe and less financially secure?

Billions of dollars go to billionaires in government contracts and subsidies. Are those getting looked at? Will those be cut down at all?

lol


I think you've earned your Retard Championship belt back at this point.


https://i.imgur.com/V1fLHGm.jpeg


Congrats, you won at losing.


Try harder next time, ClydeRetard.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Further, the agencies they are cutting are all the agencies that are there to protect the average American from fraud, predatory lending, workplace safety, unfair labor practices, health services, and the list grows longer every day.


Give specific examples where a cut removes protections from fraud.
Give specific examples where a cut removes protections from predatory lending.
Give specific examples where a cut removes protections from workplace safety.
Give specific examples where a cut removes protections from unfair labor practices.
Give specific examples where a cut removes protections from health services.

You blurted that out awful quick, so we expect specifics and right now before the list grows longer.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

In before he says CFPB

[Tgo01]

DOGE is bullshit. Musk is just targeting government agencies that stand in his and other billionaire's way. It's conflict of interest on a massive scale!

Remember when you yourself proudly boasted that one of Musk's companies was receiving money from USAID, as if you were making some grand point? Now here you are claiming Musk is doing all of this to make more money, yet you have already admitted that one of Musk's first targets actually gave one of his businesses money.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

[Back]

Remember when you yourself proudly boasted that one of Musk's companies was receiving money from USAID, as if you were making some grand point? Now here you are claiming Musk is doing all of this to make more money, yet you have already admitted that one of Musk's first targets actually gave one of his businesses money.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

The context in which I made that statement was to point out conspiracy theorists might link it to some other crazy ass shit like they usually do like people on gab.com check it out. ��

[Tgo01]

The context in which I made that statement was to point out conspiracy theorists might link it to some other crazy ass shit like they usually do like people on gab.com check it out. ��

Context doesn't matter. You yourself said Musk was making money from USAID yet he has recommended to cut off pretty much all payments from USAID. Weird how that works. Maybe you should just stick to what your TV tells you to parrot back, you aren't good at going off script.

[Back]

Context doesn't matter. You yourself said Musk was making money from USAID yet he has recommended to cut off pretty much all payments from USAID. Weird how that works. Maybe you should just stick to what your TV tells you to parrot back, you aren't good at going off script.

Musk is certainly getting money from government contracts. Major ones. Plus tax subsidies. And yet here he is auditing the government when it should be the other way around.

The government's here to protect us from people like him and Trump.

America has the longest running most successful government in the world. In all of history. Guess what, it works. What Trump and musk are doing are dismantling 250 years of a better life for us.

[Tgo01]

Musk is certainly getting money from government contracts.

But you yourself said he cut off the funding he was getting from USAID. Doesn't sound like a very smart way of stealing tax payer dollars to literally say "No, cut off this funding."

Again, watch Rachel Maddow and repeat what she says. Don't try to think for yourself.

[Parkbandit]

The government's here to protect us from people like him and Trump.


Don't you ever get tired of playing the "I'm the victim here" card?

Even with the scarf, you don't play a very convincing damsel in distress.

Be a man.

[Parkbandit]

Musk is certainly getting money from government contracts. Major ones. Plus tax subsidies. And yet here he is auditing the government when it should be the other way around.

The government's here to protect us from people like him and Trump.

America has the longest running most successful government in the world. In all of history. Guess what, it works. What Trump and musk are doing are dismantling 250 years of a better life for us.

"YEA! WE NEED WASTE AND FRAUD! IT'S THE ONLY SUCCESSFUL WAY TO FUND LEFTIST IDEAS!"

Get the fuck out of here. We elected Trump to do exactly what he's doing. Next time, run a less brain dead DEI hire.

[Methais]

The context in which I made that statement was to point out conspiracy theorists might link it to some other crazy ass shit like they usually do like people on gab.com check it out. ��

Gab still exists? How often are you on there?

Dork.

[Methais]

Musk is certainly getting money from government contracts. Major ones. Plus tax subsidies. And yet here he is auditing the government when it should be the other way around.

The government's here to protect us from people like him and Trump.

America has the longest running most successful government in the world. In all of history. Guess what, it works. What Trump and musk are doing are dismantling 250 years of a better life for us.

Look how fucking retarded you are.

Stop letting your TV and your fragile vegan fueled emotions dictate how you think. In case you haven't noticed, it's made you one of the dumbest people on the planet over the years.

Stop being a pussy too. Pussy.

[Back]

Don't you ever get tired of playing the "I'm the victim here" card?

Even with the scarf, you don't play a very convincing damsel in distress.

Be a man.

Rofll at getting lectured about manhood from a PC troll hiding behind the keyboard lololol

I'm sure you're just being a jerk as usual but you know that government is for the people. It protects the people. It creates laws, and forces them, and judges the outcome when those laws are broken. It is absolutely set up not only to protect us against common crime but also protect us from billionaires and corporations who would take advantage of the otherwise powerless people. Not to mention natural disasters.

How does someone like yourself or myself or the average American protect themselves from the power of billionaires? By having a government that keeps them in check. I don't think enough has been done honestly because the wealth inequality is off the charts.

Billionaires live an entirely different world than we do. If s*** hits the fan they're going to be fine. Pandemic, nuclear strike, comet strike, you name it they've already got bunkers built and stockpiled resources to get them through. We will be running around fighting over scraps. The unfair wealth inequality really shows itself in that kind of scenario.

Yeah buddy we all need government to keep the order so society doesn't devolve into tribal warfare.

[Suppressed Poet]

Rofll at getting lectured about manhood from a PC troll hiding behind the keyboard lololol

I'm sure you're just being a jerk as usual but you know that government is for the people. It protects the people. It creates laws, and forces them, and judges the outcome when those laws are broken. It is absolutely set up not only to protect us against common crime but also protect us from billionaires and corporations who would take advantage of the otherwise powerless people. Not to mention natural disasters.

How does someone like yourself or myself or the average American protect themselves from the power of billionaires? By having a government that keeps them in check. I don't think enough has been done honestly because the wealth inequality is off the charts.

Billionaires live an entirely different world than we do. If s*** hits the fan they're going to be fine. Pandemic, nuclear strike, comet strike, you name it they've already got bunkers built and stockpiled resources to get them through. We will be running around fighting over scraps. The unfair wealth inequality really shows itself in that kind of scenario.

Yeah buddy we all need government to keep the order so society doesn't devolve into tribal warfare.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkPIVzFXYAAOc1w.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The government's here to protect us from people like him and Trump.

The government is representative of the people, and the people voted for Trump and people like Musk by proxy.

[Methais]

Rofll at getting lectured about manhood from a PC troll hiding behind the keyboard lololol

I'm sure you're just being a jerk as usual but you know that government is for the people. It protects the people. It creates laws, and forces them, and judges the outcome when those laws are broken. It is absolutely set up not only to protect us against common crime but also protect us from billionaires and corporations who would take advantage of the otherwise powerless people. Not to mention natural disasters.

How does someone like yourself or myself or the average American protect themselves from the power of billionaires? By having a government that keeps them in check. I don't think enough has been done honestly because the wealth inequality is off the charts.

Billionaires live an entirely different world than we do. If s*** hits the fan they're going to be fine. Pandemic, nuclear strike, comet strike, you name it they've already got bunkers built and stockpiled resources to get them through. We will be running around fighting over scraps. The unfair wealth inequality really shows itself in that kind of scenario.

Yeah buddy we all need government to keep the order so society doesn't devolve into tribal warfare.

Your party has failed spectacularly at everything you listed that "government" is supposed to do due to a combination of both incompetence and malevolence. You're just way way too stupid to realize something that's obvious as fuckall to anyone with a fully functional brain.


Rofll at getting lectured about manhood from a PC troll hiding behind the keyboard lololol

You're literally talking shit from behind your own keyboard about someone else talking shit from behind their keyboard.


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[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/kXjxYWi.png

[Back]

I'm glad you posted this here because it is going to be an illustration of my answer to you in the winning thread.

Lies about USAid are spreading rapidly right now. So rapidly it's hard to keep up and that's the point! Trump, Elon, and the whole project 2025 team know this. They're doing it purposefully. They are feeding it to you guys so you repeat it everywhere. Spreading the disinformation through the social media ecosystem so fast and furious it makes people believe it's true. And you guys are more than happy to spread it without even bothering to check if there's any fact to any of it.

They are using social media to spread the propaganda and you guys are falling for it every time.

A perfect example is the post above. It is not true that USAID funded a terrorist's tuition. There was a time in the '80s when the United States backed Afghan freedom fighters and that's probably where the rumor started. And here comes an elected official pushing it on x, and you guys run with it, and suddenly USA does nothing but a money laundering for evil Democrats.

They've successfully turned you against your fellow countrymen and they're using you as a weapon against them.

It's a sad state of affairs but truth will be victorious in the end.

[Tgo01]

There was a time in the '80s when the United States backed Afghan freedom fighters

Goes on and on about misinformation and spreading lies, then has the audacity to refer to terrorists as "freedom fighters."

The fuck outta here.

[Back]

Goes on and on about misinformation and spreading lies, then has the audacity to refer to terrorists as "freedom fighters."

The fuck outta here.

Yeah and the founding fathers were slavers. Things change over time.

[Methais]

I'm glad you posted this here because it is going to be an illustration of my answer to you in the winning thread.

Lies about USAid are spreading rapidly right now. So rapidly it's hard to keep up and that's the point! Trump, Elon, and the whole project 2025 team know this. They're doing it purposefully. They are feeding it to you guys so you repeat it everywhere. Spreading the disinformation through the social media ecosystem so fast and furious it makes people believe it's true. And you guys are more than happy to spread it without even bothering to check if there's any fact to any of it.

They are using social media to spread the propaganda and you guys are falling for it every time.

A perfect example is the post above. It is not true that USAID funded a terrorist's tuition. There was a time in the '80s when the United States backed Afghan freedom fighters and that's probably where the rumor started. And here comes an elected official pushing it on x, and you guys run with it, and suddenly USA does nothing but a money laundering for evil Democrats.

They've successfully turned you against your fellow countrymen and they're using you as a weapon against them.

It's a sad state of affairs but truth will be victorious in the end.

He went to college from 1990-1994, which isn't the 80s. Stop being the biggest dumbass in every thread.

Everything else you said is you just being full of shit and/or extremely retarded like usual.

The only argument you can possibly even attempt to make would be something along the lines of "no one knew he would end up being a terrorist at the time," which still doesn't change who paid for his college, under false pretenses even.

Retard.

https://nypost.com/2025/02/11/us-news/usaid-reportedly-bankrolled-al-qaeda-terrorists-college-tuition-unearthed-records-show/


The controversial US Agency for International Development (USAID) shelled out thousands to send an al-Qaeda terrorist with ties to 9/11 hijackers to college in America decades ago – an education he used to help recruit and groom terrorists for future attacks on US soil.

President Trump ordered USAID to be dismantled after finding it wasted billions on lefty schemes in recent years — from drag shows in Ecuador to an Iraqi version of “Sesame Street” and aid to the Middle East that made their way into the hands of Hamas and Hezbollah.

But the recently resurfaced terrorist full-ride suggests to critics that the rot has been there for years.

American-born jihadist Anwar al-Awlaki received “full funding” to attend Colorado State University in 1990, USAID documents obtained by Fox News show.

President Barack Obama ordered him killed in a US airstrike in Yemen 20 years later.

And the documents revealed that al-Awlaki – who was born in Las Cruces, New Mexico – lied on his application and claimed that he was born in Yemen, apparently so he would be eligible for the federal tuition funding worth more than $27,000 at the time. (Tuition and fees for an international student at the Fort Collins-based public university would be nearly 10 times that today.)

Using the education USAID provided him – he earned a bachelor’s in civil engineering in 1994 — al-Awlaki would go on to teach Islam at mosques across the country from Denver to San Diego and Virginia, where US officials believe he used his platform to radicalize and recruit terrorists.

It was at a San Diego Mosque where he met 9/11 hijackers Nawaf al-Hazmi and Khalid al-Mihdhar – two of the men who flew Flight 77 into the Pentagon that morning in 2001, killing 190 people – and by 2006 he was arrested in Yemen on suspicion of terrorist ties.

Three years later he was communicating with the Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan — who gunned down 13 people at the Texas Army base — and was also tied to “Underwear Bomber” Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who tried to blow up a Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines plane on Christmas day 2009 with bombs hidden in his shorts.

Al-Awlaki was killed in a US airstrike ordered by Obama in 2011 in Yemen, months after he was declared a “specially designated global terrorist.” The hit was controversial with civil rights groups at the time, since it was the first killing of an American in a targeted strike.

It has long been known al-Awlaki was educated in the US, but the recent scrutiny of USAID’s far-reaching and often frivolous spending by the Trump administration has thrown a new light on its part in educating a terrorist.

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USAID reportedly bankrolled al Qaeda terrorist’s college tuition, unearthed records show Anwar al-Awlaki was killed in a drone strike during the Obama administration.
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The document was first unearthed by George Washington University’s National Security Archive in 2015.

“This form, dated 1990, confirms that Anwar al-Awlaki was qualified for an exchange visa and that USAID was providing ‘full funding’ for his studies at Colorado State University,” the National Security Archive said at the time.

“The document lists Anwar’s birthplace incorrectly as Sanaa, Yemen’s capital, which he later said was a deliberate falsehood offered at the urging of American officials who knew his father so that he could qualify for a scholarship reserved for foreign citizens,” according to the archive.

And al-Awlaki’s cushy tuition ride is just the latest incident of USAID funds paying for America’s terrorist enemies that’s turned up since the Trump administration started cracking down on state spending.

Upwards of $100 million in grants from USAID and the state department have been given to terror-aligned organizations, according to a recent study from the Middle East Forum think tank – including “millions” that have been funneled directly into Hamas-controlled organizations in Gaza.

“USAID beneficiaries have called for their lands to be ‘cleansed’ from the ‘impurity of the Jews,’ among dozens of other chilling examples,” the report found, citing groups like the “Gaza-based terror charity” Bayader Association for Environment and Development which received funding from 2016 through the days before the October 7, 2023 attack on Israel, Fox News reported.

Other grants include an unknown amount to the Hamas-controlled Unlimited Friends Association in Gaza, which the Middle East Forum said is run by a director who espouses goals to “cleanse” Gaza of “impure Jews.”

USAID spending continued in Gaza and the West Bank under the Biden Administration, even as the government deemed it “high risk” that it would fall into terrorist hands.


Get off of Pedosky already and stop being a stooge.

[Methais]

Yeah and the founding fathers were slavers. Things change over time.

You being the most ginormous retard in the room everywhere you go is one thing that will never change.

[Tgo01]

Yeah and the founding fathers were slavers. Things change over time.

"The founding fathers were slavers!" -Back
"They aren't terrorists! They are freedom fighters!" -Back

Never stop being a useful and useless idiot, Back. These posts are pure gold.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah and the founding fathers were slavers. Things change over time.

Stop trying to be holier than thou. If you were a white colonialist in the 1700s with the proper economic means, you too would have owned slaves. Slavery was not uniquely American and was common practice in every nation on Earth in the 18th century. The United States was among the first nations to abolish slavery. Those that you proclaim to be “freedom fighters” still practice some forms of slavery today and restrict the rights & education of women.

Correct, things do change over time. As Americans we can be proud of that change.

[Back]

Stop trying to be holier than thou. If you were a white colonialist in the 1700s with the proper economic means, you too would have owned slaves. Slavery was not uniquely American and was common practice in every nation on Earth in the 18th century. The United States was among the first nations to abolish slavery. Those that you proclaim to be “freedom fighters” still practice some forms of slavery today and restrict the rights & education of women.

Correct, things do change over time. As Americans we can be proud of that change.

Freedom fighter was obviously not the right word to use in this case. Got me there!

I'd have been an abolitionist spreading anti-slavery propaganda through print.

Yes, poeple can change for the better. When people stand up for other people's rights, tell the truth, abide by law, society can be pretty cool actually.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'd have been an abolitionist spreading anti-slavery propaganda through print.

No you wouldn’t. You would have been a slave owner just like the rest. The idea of abolition of slavery wasn’t even a concept until after the United States was founded, and it really didn’t start to gain traction until later into the 19th century.

[Methais]

No you wouldn’t. You would have been a slave owner just like the rest. The idea of abolition of slavery wasn’t even a concept until after the United States was founded, and it really didn’t start to gain traction until later into the 19th century.

It's easy for someone to apply today's standards to the past and insist that they would have been XYZ person.

Those people are usually full of shit though and are just verbally masturbating, so there's that.

[Back]

The US Department of State has removed the name “Tesla” from a list of planned purchases, after an earlier version of the list said it would spend $400m buying new electric armoured vehicles, even as the carmaker’s boss, Elon Musk, leads efforts to slash government spending under Donald Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/13/us-department-of-state-plans-to-spend-400m-on-tesla-armoured-vehicles-elon-musk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Your tax dollars going into the pockets of the richest man on Earth.

[Back]

No you wouldn’t. You would have been a slave owner just like the rest. The idea of abolition of slavery wasn’t even a concept until after the United States was founded, and it really didn’t start to gain traction until later into the 19th century.

Not your call, bro. My call. You however I am convinced would have been a happy slave owner. Go you.

[Tgo01]

Not your call, bro. My call. You however I am convinced would have been a happy slave owner. Go you.

You have no idea what you would have done back in the day. It's easy to look at it now and say "Oh I totally would have been fighting the man back then!"

Most of Germany went along with the Nazis. You really think all of them were just plain evil? Or was it just easier for them to live their life if they just pretended/didn't care about all of the bad things going on?

[Parkbandit]

Stop trying to be holier than thou. If you were a white colonialist in the 1700s with the proper economic means, you too would have owned slaves.

Bro... you're talking about Backlash here. He doesn't own anything now.. no way he would be a slave owner.. you had to have money.

[Parkbandit]

I'd have been an abolitionist spreading anti-slavery propaganda through print.

You fancy yourself being so edgy.. but Democrats are the party of slavery and there is absolutely zero chance you would not be screaming in the streets "DON'T TAKE AWAY OUR SLAVES!"

There is literally zero chance you would go against your Democrat talking point.

Zero.

I mean look at you right now.. you are literally defending the fraud and abuse spending of US taxpayer dollars... because let's be honest, you don't have a horse in the race.

But you want us to believe you would suddenly be a Republican on the slavery issue....

Get the fuck out of here with your stupidity.

[Parkbandit]

The US Department of State has removed the name “Tesla” from a list of planned purchases, after an earlier version of the list said it would spend $400m buying new electric armoured vehicles, even as the carmaker’s boss, Elon Musk, leads efforts to slash government spending under Donald Trump.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/feb/13/us-department-of-state-plans-to-spend-400m-on-tesla-armoured-vehicles-elon-musk?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Your tax dollars going into the pockets of the richest man on Earth.

There's a reason why he's the richest man on Earth.

It's because he's built the most successful electric company.

SPOILER: We've given him SO MUCH MORE money to another endeavor of the richest man on Earth... SpaceX. Know why? Oh, because he's also built the most successful space company on Earth.

[Parkbandit]

You have no idea what you would have done back in the day. It's easy to look at it now and say "Oh I totally would have been fighting the man back then!"

Most of Germany went along with the Nazis. You really think all of them were just plain evil? Or was it just easier for them to live their life if they just pretended/didn't care about all of the bad things going on?

It's extremely easy to know what he would have done back in the day. He would have done exactly what he's been doing the last 20 years here: toe the Party line and defend it to the end.

The Party line back then was Pro-slavery. He would have defended that practice into the 1960's at a minimum. He would have defended slavery, the anti-women movement, Jim Crow, etc...

He has always defended whatever the Democrats have pushed forth.. 1700's would have been no different.

[Suppressed Poet]

Not your call, bro. My call. You however I am convinced would have been a happy slave owner. Go you.

What makes you think you are so evolved and morally superior to people of the past? What have you done in your life that provides evidence of you being a revolutionary change force for good? Very few people are. You think you are immune to the influence of social norms of our time? That naïve ignorant low-level thinking makes you weak & easily manipulated.

Try reading some books: Lord of the Flies, 1984, A Brave New World, Ordinary Men, the writings of Socrates, etc.

[Methais]

What makes you think you are so evolved and morally superior to people of the past? What have you done in your life that provides evidence of you being a revolutionary change force for good?

This:
https://media.tenor.com/orxWgpBcUCIAAAAM/fart-south-park.gif

[Suppressed Poet]

Bro... you're talking about Backlash here. He doesn't own anything now.. no way he would be a slave owner.. you had to have money.

Yes, I qualified my statement with “of proper economic means.”

I bet Backlash also believes that if only he were as rich as Elon Musk, he would solve world hunger and all human suffering. These are the delusions of the ignorant that have absolutely no concept of wealth or how one acquires it.

[Methais]

Yes, I qualified my statement with “of proper economic means.”

I bet Backlash also believes that if only he were as rich as Elon Musk, he would solve world hunger and all human suffering. These are the delusions of the ignorant that have absolutely no concept of wealth or how one acquires it.

He probably also thinks Elon's checking account has a balance of like $300 billion.

Leftards typically have no concept of cash vs. net worth.

[Parkbandit]

Illustrating how in the bag the media is for Democrats.. they've now begun to pretend there is no fraud in the government.....

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-musk-provide-scant-evidence-claims-fraud/story?id=118751843
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/musk-cuts-based-more-political-ideology-than-real-cost-savings-so-far-2025-02-12/
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-is-usaid-trump-musk-shut-down-budget-funding-doge-rcna190441

All these "news" channels had to do is look up what our own government said a year or two ago:
"No area of the federal government is immune to fraud. We estimated that the federal government could lose between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud." https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-105833

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Was Backlash high or drunk yesterday?

[Parkbandit]

Was Backlash high or drunk yesterday?

Or just retarded.

I'm going with just retarded.

[Gelston]

He probably also thinks Elon's checking account has a balance of like $300 billion.

Leftards typically have no concept of cash vs. net worth.

The actual richest man in the world, judging off of actual cash they have, is still Bill Gates. I think he has something like 280 million in cash in the bank.

[~Rocktar~]

Yes, I qualified my statement with “of proper economic means.”

I bet Backlash also believes that if only he were as rich as Elon Musk, he would solve world hunger and all human suffering. These are the delusions of the ignorant that have absolutely no concept of wealth or how one acquires it.

Remember when someone smarted off that they could solve world hunger for 8 billion dollars and Elon came back with "Where do I send the check?"

[Methais]

Remember when someone smarted off that they could solve world hunger for 8 billion dollars and Elon came back with "Where do I send the check?"

That guy shut the fuck up real quick after Elon wanted it to be open source.

https://i.imgur.com/OOcxruX.png

https://i.imgur.com/Xp2CAab.png

[~Rocktar~]

That guy shut the fuck up real quick after Elon wanted it to be open source.

https://i.imgur.com/OOcxruX.png

https://i.imgur.com/Xp2CAab.png

Everybody loves to spend the rich guy's money up until they have to show how.

[ClydeR]

Elon Musk says Grok 3 in final stages, outperforming all chatbots

DUBAI, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Elon Musk said on Thursday his AI chatbot, and ChatGPT challenger, Grok 3, is in the final stages of development and will be released in about a week or two.

"Grok 3 has very powerful reasoning capabilities, so in the tests that we've done thus far, Grok 3 is outperforming anything that's been released, that we're aware of, so that's a good sign," he said in a video call addressing the World Governments Summit in Dubai.

More... (https://www.reuters.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/elon-musk-says-grok-3-final-stages-outperforming-all-chatbots-2025-02-13/)

Do you believe Musk's claim? This will be a good public test of his truthfulness. In two weeks or so, the new Grok model will have been subjected to thousands of blind tests. We'll see.

[Parkbandit]

Do you believe Musk's claim? This will be a good public test of his truthfulness. In two weeks or so, the new Grok model will have been subjected to thousands of blind tests. We'll see.

Let's look at his track record:

Tesla most successful electric car company, outperforming any other company.
SpaceX most successful space company, outperforming any other company.

It checks out.

And the best part is: Grok 3 will be open sourced.

[ClydeR]

Shortly after Trump fired FAA employees, we had the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years. As you can see from the below posts in chronological order, Trump is making things even worse.


https://i.imgur.com/akCKdeB.png
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02PJT87KjTWVRPnaygkmq8Kk FLuppMGLrukmD9NoArZMiFmh2S2CmHq5u3DTJXSVJLl&id=1020751972

https://i.imgur.com/Ga8UmXx.png
https://x.com/SecDuffy/status/1891310401800872114

Ten minutes later..


https://i.imgur.com/feS9t5t.png
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1891312807896907807

[Methais]

ClydeR is such a brain dead NPC :rofl:

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

we had the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years.

The investigation results on the military helicopter/commercial airline collision haven't been released. What is your source, do you have some insider knowledge of the cause?

Also, the posts on X are from 2/16. The crash occurred on 1/29. Are you saying Duffy and Musk shouldn't work to make air travel safer after such a tragic accident?

Who is Dylan Sullivan? Is he an expert in air traffic control? You know I could also post something to Facebook like that, can I then make conclusions based on my musings on Facebook and post them as a rebuttal?

[Methais]

The investigation results on the military helicopter/commercial airline collision haven't been released. What is your source, do you have some insider knowledge of the cause?

Also, the posts on X are from 2/16. The crash occurred on 1/29. Are you saying Duffy and Musk shouldn't work to make air travel safer after such a tragic accident?

Who is Dylan Sullivan? Is he an expert in air traffic control? You know I could also post something to Facebook like that, can I then make conclusions based on my musings on Facebook and post them as a rebuttal?

Yes.

https://i.imgur.com/ETC3fWM.png

[ClydeR]

The investigation results on the military helicopter/commercial airline collision haven't been released. What is your source, do you have some insider knowledge of the cause?

My source for what? That Trump fired FAA employees? That afterward there was a crash? That it was the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years? That's all common knowledge. We've discussed it multiple times in this forum.

Trump fired key aviation security employees the day after the inauguration.. https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c

A few days later, there was an airline crash resulting in fatalities.. https://apnews.com/article/ronald-reagan-national-airport-crash-cebb142d24859ba0c4e0e4fd6c33773f

It was the first commercial airline crash resulting in fatalities in 16 years.. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash/index.html

[ClydeR]

Also, the posts on X are from 2/16. The crash occurred on 1/29. Are you saying Duffy and Musk shouldn't work to make air travel safer after such a tragic accident?

They should rehire some of the fired employees so that there would be separate controllers for planes and helicopters, like there is supposed to be. Musk should stay out of it.

[ClydeR]

Who is Dylan Sullivan? Is he an expert in air traffic control? You know I could also post something to Facebook like that, can I then make conclusions based on my musings on Facebook and post them as a rebuttal?

He identified himself and described his background in his letter to Senators.

[Suppressed Poet]

My source for what? That Trump fired FAA employees? That afterward there was a crash? That it was the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years? That's all common knowledge. We've discussed it multiple times in this forum.

Trump fired key aviation security employees the day after the inauguration.. https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c

A few days later, there was an airline crash resulting in fatalities.. https://apnews.com/article/ronald-reagan-national-airport-crash-cebb142d24859ba0c4e0e4fd6c33773f

It was the first commercial airline crash resulting in fatalities in 16 years.. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash/index.html

How much real estate does Trump occupy in your head?

[Methais]

My source for what? That Trump fired FAA employees? That afterward there was a crash? That it was the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years? That's all common knowledge. We've discussed it multiple times in this forum.

Trump fired key aviation security employees the day after the inauguration.. https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c

A few days later, there was an airline crash resulting in fatalities.. https://apnews.com/article/ronald-reagan-national-airport-crash-cebb142d24859ba0c4e0e4fd6c33773f

It was the first commercial airline crash resulting in fatalities in 16 years.. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash/index.html

Records show pilots complained for 20 years about near misses at DC airport (https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/records-show-pilots-complained-for-20-years-about-near-misses-at-dc-airport/3661183/)



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2ZTiySG67M

[Parkbandit]

How much real estate does Trump occupy in your head?

Much like his genitalia... there's not much there to begin with.

[Suppressed Poet]

Much like his genitalia... there's not much there to begin with.

I should have said airspace.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

My source for what? That Trump fired FAA employees? That afterward there was a crash? That it was the first commercial airline crash fatality in 16 years? That's all common knowledge. We've discussed it multiple times in this forum.

Trump fired key aviation security employees the day after the inauguration.. https://apnews.com/article/coast-guard-homeland-security-priorities-committees-trump-tsa-d3e4398c8871ada8d0590859442e092c

A few days later, there was an airline crash resulting in fatalities.. https://apnews.com/article/ronald-reagan-national-airport-crash-cebb142d24859ba0c4e0e4fd6c33773f

It was the first commercial airline crash resulting in fatalities in 16 years.. https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/30/business/us-airlines-warnings-ahead-of-crash/index.html

You are incorrectly attributing Trump's actions with a result. Show me the results of the investigation.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They should rehire some of the fired employees so that there would be separate controllers for planes and helicopters, like there is supposed to be. Musk should stay out of it.

Oh, so you have findings that the helicopter and plane crash were caused by this? Please share those damning investigation results.


He identified himself and described his background in his letter to Senators.

I write my congressional rep on occasion. I too, write letters.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

But I don't post my letters on Facebook. Must be why you don't post about me.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/BcSiTT8.png

[Methais]

Oh, so you have findings that the helicopter and plane crash were caused by this? Please share those damning investigation results.



I write my congressional rep on occasion. I too, write letters.

ClydeRetard's MO is basically...

- Posts something wildly inaccurate and presents it as fact
- Gets proven wrong by whoever posts next
- Shuts the fuck up

[Methais]

Hey ClydeRetard is this Trump's fault too?

https://i.imgur.com/aMmU56C.png

[Parkbandit]

Total number of individuals according to the Social Security Office that are still alive:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gj_GN-HXAAAMmZ4.jpg:large

[Parkbandit]

Before this revelation.. the oldest person ever to live was 122 years old and the oldest living person is currently 116.

This will break all sorts of records.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Total number of individuals according to the Social Security Office that are still alive:



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gj_GN-HXAAAMmZ4.jpg:large

Social Security in the U.S. has existed since August 14, 1935, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act into law. How do you have 2500+ people on it over 100+ years (assuming they got on it when they were 100 years old). How does THAT level of fraud exist?

[Parkbandit]

Social Security in the U.S. has existed since August 14, 1935, when President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act into law. How do you have 2500+ people on it over 100+ years (assuming they got on it when they were 100 years old). How does THAT level of fraud exist?

2500?

Bro.. it's 22+ MILLION people.

[Methais]

Fort Knox is on the audit list.

I'll be surprised if there's any actual gold left in there.

[ClydeR]

Oh, so you have findings that the helicopter and plane crash were caused by this?

I said no such thing! That's a conclusion you drew on your own when presented with the bare facts. Even though your conclusion was not unreasonable, you should know better than to say such things before the investigation is complete. For shame.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

2500?

Bro.. it's 22+ MILLION people.

I'm talking about people who entered social security at 90-100+ years old and have been drawing it for over a 100 years. the 200 YO + groups. Said another way, it's never been audited since inception.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I said no such thing! That's a conclusion you drew on your own when presented with the bare facts. Even though your conclusion was not unreasonable, you should know better than to say such things before the investigation is complete. For shame.

Finish my quote. I demand proof and made no such conclusion. "Please share those damning investigation results."

[Parkbandit]

I'm talking about people who entered social security at 90-100+ years old and have been drawing it for over a 100 years. the 200 YO + groups. Said another way, it's never been audited since inception.

Ah, gotcha.

I don't believe this is a list of people actually drawing from SS, is it? If that is the case, the fraud is off the fucking scale.

I thought this list was just the people in the system that have been flagged as dead.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh I interpreted as people drawing SS (why else be in the SS system?). Either way, why are they in the system at all.

[Parkbandit]

Oh I interpreted as people drawing SS (why else be in the SS system?). Either way, why are they in the system at all.

If that is really the case, where is that 44 BILLION DOLLARS going every year to those over 100? At the last count, there were supposedly only 90K people over 100.. not 22+ million.

[Parkbandit]

I am looking forward to the Fort Knox audit. Musk wants it to be streamed live.

More than half of our gold is supposedly in there.. and we supposedly own 8,133.46 metric tons.

You know there are government "officials" spray painting gold bars right now...

[Suppressed Poet]

I am looking forward to the Fort Knox audit. Musk wants it to be streamed live.

More than half of our gold is supposedly in there.. and we supposedly own 8,133.46 metric tons.

You know there are government "officials" spray painting gold bars right now...

I always wondered what we did with the billions worth of gold we confiscated from Saddam Hussein back in 2003. Did that make its way to Fort Knox or what happened to it? The answer became classified.

[ClydeR]

The Department of Government Efficiency has reportedly eliminated the jobs of those overseeing Elon Musk’s brain implant company Neuralink within the Food and Drug Administration, as part of President Donald Trump’s mass culling of government jobs.

More... (https://fortune.com/2025/02/18/doge-fired-fda-employees-overseeing-elon-musk-neuralink/)

So much for Trump's promise to exclude Musk from conflicts of interest.

[Suppressed Poet]

So much for Trump's promise to exclude Musk from conflicts of interest.

From your own referenced article:


The firings over the weekend included about 20 employees who were part of the FDA’s office of neurological and physical medicine devices, responsible for reviewing clinical trial applications of brain implant technology, including Neuralink, two anonymous sources told Reuters. The sources said they did not believe the employees assigned to review Neuralink were specifically targeted in the wave of firings.

The sackings come amid a larger purge of about 5,200 workers in the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services announced Friday, including the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the National Institutes of Health. The cuts impacted probationary employees, or those with less than two years of experience who don’t have the same legal protections as senior workers. The anonymous sources told Reuters the letters of dismissal cited performance issues, despite the fired employees receiving positive feedback on reviews several weeks ago.

I’m sure more tenured & talented FDA employees will pick up the work and help with Neuralink’s clinical trials. After all, this is an amazing advancement in medical technology that will benefit both Americans & humanity as a whole. Wouldn’t you agree?

[Methais]

From your own referenced article:



I’m sure more tenured & talented FDA employees will pick up the work and help with Neuralink’s clinical trials. After all, this is an amazing advancement in medical technology that will benefit both Americans & humanity as a whole. Wouldn’t you agree?

ClydeR can't help but be retarded and full of shit 24/7.

Stop being a drama queen all day every day ClydeRetard.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/9ZcL9gw.png (https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892621098564436077)
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892621098564436077

I know right? What could $5000 possibly do for anyone?

Shoutout to 0:28 "There's just no money for that" :rofl:

[~Rocktar~]

https://i.imgur.com/9ZcL9gw.png (https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892621098564436077)
https://x.com/stillgray/status/1892621098564436077

I know right? What could $5000 possibly do for anyone?

Shoutout to 0:28 "There's just no money for that" :rofl:

Aren't these the same people that said we needed to send out more $1500 covid checks?

[~Rocktar~]

Hey Leftists, will you all be cashing those DOGE refund checks if they come around or will you be sending them back like the Teslas?

[Back]

Hey Leftists, will you all be cashing those DOGE refund checks if they come around or will you be sending them back like the Teslas?

First, I don't believe it for a second.

Second, why wouldn't anyone cash it? It's our money.

[Tgo01]

First, I don't believe it for a second.

Second, why wouldn't anyone cash it? It's our money.

Weird. I thought it was Ukraine's money and Gaza's money and South Africa's money. Now suddenly it's our money and should be spent on us? Glad to see you agree with Trump and Elon Musk after all.

[Suppressed Poet]

First, I don't believe it for a second.

Second, why wouldn't anyone cash it? It's our money.

First, you also believe men can become pregnant and lactate.

Second, don’t act like your broke ass pays taxes the same as everyone else.

[~Rocktar~]

First, you also believe men can become pregnant and lactate.

Second, don’t act like your broke ass pays taxes the same as everyone else.

Wait, is there sales tax on WIC?

[Back]

Is anyone else hearing local stories about their neighbors getting laid off by the federal government? In my area there are hundreds of thousands of federal employees. In my state and county our county executive and governor are offering resources for those people who have been laid off. Locals who have been laid off are asking for jobs in my FB feed. One of my buddies wife got the resign option letter. Shes not going to do it because if she did she'd lose her pension. It's pretty nuts.

Our government is of, by, and for the people. It serves us. When you cut the government you cut our services. When you lay off people who work in the government that serves us we are less served. When you cut government programs meant to serve us, help us, keep us safe financially, physically, mentally, you are cutting our general welfare. A government is not a for profit operation. Trump, Musk, and Project 2025 have lost sight of what American really is: a haven for people to live free from tyranny.

Meanwhile gas and groceries are not getting cheaper.

[~Rocktar~]

How many pipeline workers, coal miners, oil field workers, small businesses and their employees lost their jobs from Biden policies? Did you see them paraded on the news for sympathy? No, the media was like "Learn to code". You didn't care then so fuck your crocodile tears now.

Our government is a bloated mess of corruption, waste, theft and fraud. It serves it's self and that is what needs cut out. Critical services are not being cut. Our government is in the fast track to bankrupting our whole nation and economy. If spending isn't cut, we have around 3-5 years before we can't pay our debt. Taxes are already too high to use for raising money because of the dampening effect on the economy which causes revenue to decrease. We have tried it your way for decades and now, we are on the precipice of destruction.

I can assure you that any harm caused by government layoffs will be orders of magnitude less than the harm caused by forced austerity and the rampant inflation caused by our default on the debt. Or the war pushed as an attempt at a distraction instead. Kind of like China is trying to do now in order to placate it's people over their collapsing economy.

Supposedly 4+ million jobs a year are not filled in this country, guess it's time for all those government leeches to learn to weld or something.

[Parkbandit]

Is anyone else hearing local stories about their neighbors getting laid off by the federal government? In my area there are hundreds of thousands of federal employees. In my state and county our county executive and governor are offering resources for those people who have been laid off. Locals who have been laid off are asking for jobs in my FB feed. One of my buddies wife got the resign option letter. Shes not going to do it because if she did she'd lose her pension. It's pretty nuts.

It's pretty nuts that we've allowed the government to grow to this bloated mess. 3 million people work for the federal government. That's retarded.

Know how we pay for these 2 million people's salaries? We tax our citizens.


Our government is of, by, and for the people. It serves us. When you cut the government you cut our services.

When you lay off people who work in the government that serves us we are less served. When you cut government programs meant to serve us, help us, keep us safe financially, physically, mentally, you are cutting our general welfare. A government is not a for profit operation. Trump, Musk, and Project 2025 have lost sight of what American really is: a haven for people to live free from tyranny.

The bloated government isn't a for profit operation... they are literally the direct opposite of that. They produce nothing.


Meanwhile gas and groceries are not getting cheaper.

Thanks to Joe Biden's (or whoever was pulling the actual strings) terrible economic policy.

But don't you worry... Trump will fix the mess your retarded vote put us in.

[Methais]

Is anyone else hearing local stories about their neighbors getting laid off by the federal government? In my area there are hundreds of thousands of federal employees. In my state and county our county executive and governor are offering resources for those people who have been laid off. Locals who have been laid off are asking for jobs in my FB feed. One of my buddies wife got the resign option letter. Shes not going to do it because if she did she'd lose her pension. It's pretty nuts.

Our government is of, by, and for the people. It serves us. When you cut the government you cut our services. When you lay off people who work in the government that serves us we are less served. When you cut government programs meant to serve us, help us, keep us safe financially, physically, mentally, you are cutting our general welfare. A government is not a for profit operation. Trump, Musk, and Project 2025 have lost sight of what American really is: a haven for people to live free from tyranny.

Meanwhile gas and groceries are not getting cheaper.

Stop being a retarded big government stooge.

Where was your outrage in 2020 when democrats ruined all sorts of lives and businesses with bullshit lockdowns?

[Suppressed Poet]

Is anyone else hearing local stories about their neighbors getting laid off by the federal government? In my area there are hundreds of thousands of federal employees. In my state and county our county executive and governor are offering resources for those people who have been laid off. Locals who have been laid off are asking for jobs in my FB feed. One of my buddies wife got the resign option letter. Shes not going to do it because if she did she'd lose her pension. It's pretty nuts.

Our government is of, by, and for the people. It serves us. When you cut the government you cut our services. When you lay off people who work in the government that serves us we are less served. When you cut government programs meant to serve us, help us, keep us safe financially, physically, mentally, you are cutting our general welfare. A government is not a for profit operation. Trump, Musk, and Project 2025 have lost sight of what American really is: a haven for people to live free from tyranny.

Meanwhile gas and groceries are not getting cheaper.

Strap in, loser. This was just the first month. We have a long ways to go to cut the defect by $1T. The DOGE team has done an outstanding job thus far, but will need to find ways to work harder & faster.

[Gelston]

I know one guy that is worried about his job. He hasn't been fired yet.

[Tgo01]

Our government is of, by, and for the people. It serves us. When you cut the government you cut our services. When you lay off people who work in the government that serves us we are less served. When you cut government programs meant to serve us, help us, keep us safe financially, physically, mentally, you are cutting our general welfare. A government is not a for profit operation. Trump, Musk, and Project 2025 have lost sight of what American really is: a haven for people to live free from tyranny.

Jesus Christ dude, get a grip.


Meanwhile gas and groceries are not getting cheaper.

In my area gas is cheaper and food has not gotten anymore expensive, at least not by a noticeable amount, and honestly I'm perfectly happy with that.

Do you live in California or NY or something? If so blame the politicians you voted into office for why gas and food prices are still skyrocketing.

[~Rocktar~]

Jesus Christ dude, get a grip.



In my area gas is cheaper and food has not gotten anymore expensive, at least not by a noticeable amount, and honestly I'm perfectly happy with that.

Do you live in California or NY or something? If so blame the politicians you voted into office for why gas and food prices are still skyrocketing.

With the amount of federal employees he claims are around him, he is in DC, North Virginia, Maryland or Kansas City MO.

[Gelston]

With the amount of federal employees he claims are around him, he is in DC, North Virginia, Maryland or Kansas City MO.

Honestly, any area with a larger military base is going to have a lot of federal employees.

[Methais]

Jesus Christ dude, get a grip.



In my area gas is cheaper and food has not gotten anymore expensive, at least not by a noticeable amount, and honestly I'm perfectly happy with that.

Do you live in California or NY or something? If so blame the politicians you voted into office for why gas and food prices are still skyrocketing.

Last I remember he lives/lived in New York.

[ClydeR]

Please reply to this email with approx. 5 bullets of what you accomplished last week and cc your manager. Please do not send any classified information, links, or attachments.

DOGE sent the above demand to federal employees on Saturday, February 22. Musk says that any federal employees who to not submit the requested information will be deemed to have resigned. Can you figure out what week it is asking about? Is it asking about the week ending Saturday, Feb. 15, or about the week ending Saturday, Feb. 22?

And do you understand the prohibition in the second sentence? Does it prohibit including classified information, classified links and classified attachments? Or does it prohibit all links, all attachments and classified information?

You'd think Musk would be less careless in his writing, especially when the livelihoods of federal employees are at stake.

[Suppressed Poet]

DOGE sent the above demand to federal employees on Saturday, February 22. Musk says that any federal employees who to not submit the requested information will be deemed to have resigned. Can you figure out what week it is asking about? Is it asking about the week ending Saturday, Feb. 15, or about the week ending Saturday, Feb. 22?

And do you understand the prohibition in the second sentence? Does it prohibit including classified information, classified links and classified attachments? Or does it prohibit all links, all attachments and classified information?

You'd think Musk would be less careless in his writing, especially when the livelihoods of federal employees are at stake.

If you were a federal employee, you definitely would fail the DOGE assignment & be fired for obvious retardation.

[Back]

What do you guys expect to see from these actions? An actual check of some kind? Lower prices on goods/services? Lower interest rates? Lower home/car prices? Serious question.

[Tgo01]

What do you guys expect to see from these actions? An actual check of some kind? Lower prices on goods/services? Lower interest rates? Lower home/car prices? Serious question.

Check? No.
Lower prices? No, hopefully slower inflation increases though.
Lower interest rates? Possible.
Lower home/car prices? Doubtful, but again hopefully home and car prices won't increase by as much as they have been under Biden.

Honest question for YOU: do you really think there is nothing wrong with the government spending seemingly as much money as it wants? I mean why stop at 36 trillion dollars in debt or whatever we are up to? Why not spend 36 trillion dollars EVERY YEAR?

The fact that literally no country in the world has ever done something like this (other than countries whose economies totally went to shit and they suffered hyperinflation) should be proof enough that there is indeed a problem when a government just basically prints money. It is completely unsustainable without fucking over every citizen, in the case of the US it would most likely fuck over most of the world if the US economy crashed and the US dollar became worthless. Why do you hate the world so much?

[Back]

What a pleasant surprise to have you actually engage in discussion this morning. Serious!


Honest question for YOU: do you really think there is nothing wrong with the government spending seemingly as much money as it wants? I mean why stop at 36 trillion dollars in debt or whatever we are up to? Why not spend 36 trillion dollars EVERY YEAR?

I don't think you'd find any American who would not be for making government more efficient so we had less taxes and better services. Having a billionaire tear down the longest running, most successful, and prosperous government in world history is reckless at best and deliberate at worst.

Every administration changes staff but there are ways to do it that are fair without putting our country and its citizens at risk. All the people being fired/asked to resign are citizens with families they have to support just like everyone else. All the agencies and departments are there to serve the American people so when those go away we are less served by our tax dollars/government.


The fact that literally no country in the world has ever done something like this (other than countries whose economies totally went to shit and they suffered hyperinflation) should be proof enough that there is indeed a problem when a government just basically prints money. It is completely unsustainable without fucking over every citizen, in the case of the US it would most likely fuck over most of the world if the US economy crashed and the US dollar became worthless. Why do you hate the world so much?

So you see this hack and slash as saving ourselves and the rest of the world from a big market crash? Crashes happen. We navigate them. What did we learn from the pandemic of 2020? We are capable of propping up the economy when we need to without hurting one little hair on a billionaire in the process. In fact, everyone came out of that even richer. I'm not buying the economic doom and gloom scare tactics.

I really don't think all these cuts are for "we the people".

[Suppressed Poet]

So you see this hack and slash as saving ourselves and the rest of the world from a big market crash? Crashes happen. We navigate them. What did we learn from the pandemic of 2020? We are capable of propping up the economy when we need to without hurting one little hair on a billionaire in the process. In fact, everyone came out of that even richer. I'm not buying the economic doom and gloom scare tactics.

I really don't think all these cuts are for "we the people".

You make it super obvious that you have no stock or retirement (401k / IRA) investments of any kind.

In the Great Recession, the stock market fell by roughly 50% from 2007 - 2009. Millions of people lost their jobs, their homes, and all of their assets. It took many years to recover. 2020 was a self inflicted wound, but many people also suffered. The average Joe is way worse off today than they were prior to the pandemic due to inflation over wage growth. The rich who rode the waves of recovery growth in the stock market did make a lot of money (as they always do).

For you to suggest that it’s no big deal when we have a serious downturn in our economy & that the government can just borrow our way out of any mess without hardship to the working & middle class is just pure ignorance.

[Back]

You make it super obvious that you have no stock or retirement (401k / IRA) investments of any kind.

Selling the American people on 401K for their retirement is an entire other issue. I never thought that putting pensions into the pockets of corporations was a sound retirement plan for the fact that the corporations benefit from all that hard earned employee capitol and because there is risk in the market.


In the Great Recession, the stock market fell by roughly 50% from 2007 - 2009. Millions of people lost their jobs, their homes, and all of their assets. It took many years to recover. 2020 was a self inflicted wound, but many people also suffered. The average Joe is way worse off today than they were prior to the pandemic due to inflation over wage growth. The rich who rode the waves of recovery growth in the stock market did make a lot of money (as they always do).

Lets be real though... there was a pandemic. 1.1 million Americans and over 7 million people died world wide. We can second guess ourselves but we did the best with what we knew at the time. Measures were taken for safety not some diabolical scheme of political punishment. I think less Americans might have died if there was less misinformation being thrown around at the time.

And yep. After the pandemic the rich came out ahead (as they always do) and we got stuck with higher prices for everything.


For you to suggest that it’s no big deal when we have a serious downturn in our economy & that the government can just borrow our way out of any mess without hardship to the working & middle class is just pure ignorance.

I'm suggesting this: If there is a financial crisis of any kind that is one of the things our government is here to protect US from. I mean citizens and corporations. Its up to the government to come up with a solution. I do not think that cutting services to all Americans should be the solution when corporations and billionaires are taking in record profits. In fact I see it as the corporations and billionaires taking in record profits are the real cause of any economic problems of the average American.

[Methais]

Selling the American people on 401K for their retirement is an entire other issue. I never thought that putting pensions into the pockets of corporations was a sound retirement plan for the fact that the corporations benefit from all that hard earned employee capitol and because there is risk in the market.

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Lets be real though... there was a pandemic. 1.1 million Americans and over 7 million people died world wide. We can second guess ourselves but we did the best with what we knew at the time. Measures were taken for safety not some diabolical scheme of political punishment. I think less Americans might have died if there was less misinformation being thrown around at the time.

And yep. After the pandemic the rich came out ahead (as they always do) and we got stuck with higher prices for everything.

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I'm suggesting this: If there is a financial crisis of any kind that is one of the things our government is here to protect US from. I mean citizens and corporations. Its up to the government to come up with a solution. I do not think that cutting services to all Americans should be the solution when corporations and billionaires are taking in record profits. In fact I see it as the corporations and billionaires taking in record profits are the real cause of any economic problems of the average American.

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[Gelston]

Goddamn Back you are fucking clueless. The 401k is a fucking pension plan with special tax incentives. Every business used to offer pensions and social security was created to supplement them. A lot of businesses got rid of pension plans because they decided social security was enough, but obviously it isn't.

You should be retiring with personal savings including paid off assets, a 401k, and social security.

[Tgo01]

What a pleasant surprise to have you actually engage in discussion this morning. Serious!

I'm always happy to have a conversation when someone is being reasonable. Not when they are being hysterical such as this:


Having a billionaire tear down the longest running, most successful, and prosperous government in world history is reckless at best and deliberate at worst.

What the hell does "most prosperous government" even mean? I think you mean the most prosperous COUNTRY in the world, and sometimes the US government helped that along, and at times (many, many times) the US has been prosperous despite the US government trying its hardest to make things difficult for people and companies.


All the people being fired/asked to resign are citizens with families they have to support just like everyone else.

Appeal to emotion garbage. So what's the theory? A government worker can clock in at 9AM, literally sit at their chair and play video games on their phone all day and clock out at 5PM with full pay and we have to keep paying this person because they have a family to support? Imagine how many government employees have been put out of work due to the invention and widespread usage of the computer! Let's have the government get rid of all computers and do everything manually again! Think of all of the people the government can employee! Innovation be damned!


So you see this hack and slash as saving ourselves and the rest of the world from a big market crash?

lol

What are you even saying here? That we have to keep funding the government at unsustainable levels and if a huge crash happens no big deal because we just have to get used to them because the government spends money like a drunken sailor?

Also when did I even say anything about the market crashing? I said the ECONOMY, you do know there is a difference right? I think you do, but when you steer the conversation towards the stock market you can pretend the only people who would get hurt are billionaires who have a lot of money tied up in the stock market, but when you talk about the economy crashing you know everyone, billionaires and people making minimum wage alike, will get screwed over.

The economy going to shit and the US dollar becoming completely worthless or even mostly worthless would hurt EVERYONE alike, again not just in the US but all over the world because a lot of the world trades in US dollars and depends on a strong American economy.

[Back]

Goddamn Back you are fucking clueless. The 401k is a fucking pension plan with special tax incentives. Every business used to offer pensions and social security was created to supplement them. A lot of businesses got rid of pension plans because they decided social security was enough, but obviously it isn't.

You should be retiring with personal savings including paid off assets, a 401k, and social security.

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet. The creation of the 401K let companies drop the whole pension idea screwing over the working class in favor of the corporations/owners not to mention filling the market with employee cash. It's one of the biggest swindles in history.

We pay taxes to the government and pay social security and Medicare our entire working lives. Why shouldn't we get one decent livable retirement from it?

[Tgo01]

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet.

If the US government keeps spending unsustainable amounts of money the economy is going to crash and the dollar will become worthless or worth much less. That's a bad bet on social security.

[~Rocktar~]

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet. The creation of the 401K let companies drop the whole pension idea screwing over the working class in favor of the corporations/owners not to mention filling the market with employee cash. It's one of the biggest swindles in history.

We pay taxes to the government and pay social security and Medicare our entire working lives. Why shouldn't we get one decent livable retirement from it?

Social Security is a Ponzi scheme and only legal because the government does it. It was never meant to be your only means of retirement. Traditional pensions died out because they were bankrupting companies so they quit doing them. Give me the money I put into this scam and I guarantee you that I will make more money and have a more secure retirement putting it into my own retirement account than I will have with Social Security. It's not the government's responsibility to take care of you when you get old. Or at all, really.

[Back]

I'm always happy to have a conversation when someone is being reasonable. Not when they are being hysterical such as this:



What the hell does "most prosperous government" even mean? I think you mean the most prosperous COUNTRY in the world, and sometimes the US government helped that along, and at times (many, many times) the US has been prosperous despite the US government trying its hardest to make things difficult for people and companies.



Appeal to emotion garbage. So what's the theory? A government worker can clock in at 9AM, literally sit at their chair and play video games on their phone all day and clock out at 5PM with full pay and we have to keep paying this person because they have a family to support? Imagine how many government employees have been put out of work due to the invention and widespread usage of the computer! Let's have the government get rid of all computers and do everything manually again! Think of all of the people the government can employee! Innovation be damned!



lol

What are you even saying here? That we have to keep funding the government at unsustainable levels and if a huge crash happens no big deal because we just have to get used to them because the government spends money like a drunken sailor?

Also when did I even say anything about the market crashing? I said the ECONOMY, you do know there is a difference right? I think you do, but when you steer the conversation towards the stock market you can pretend the only people who would get hurt are billionaires who have a lot of money tied up in the stock market, but when you talk about the economy crashing you know everyone, billionaires and people making minimum wage alike, will get screwed over.

The economy going to shit and the US dollar becoming completely worthless or even mostly worthless would hurt EVERYONE alike, again not just in the US but all over the world because a lot of the world trades in US dollars and depends on a strong American economy.

When you say our government makes things difficult for businesses or people what do you mean exactly? Are you were talking about regulations like not being able to dump poison into our drinking water and things like that? That's all capitalist propaganda from the owners whining and crying because they can't treat people like slaves, pollute the atmosphere, monopolize, and do unfair things to make money. You know why? Because they will if someone doesn't stop them.

You may not give a s*** about all the people losing their jobs but I do. They all are trying to survive just like we are. And who the hell are you to think that all of them just clock in and play video games all day? You don't have any proof of that. You're just repeating what you're told by Republican leadership. Don't tell me you're not because I hear that drunken sailor comment all the time.

If there is some financial disaster it's not the working class' fault. I still maintain that our government is there to protect us from something like that and shouldn't be cutting our services that we pay for to solve it. The billionaire class needs to step the f*** up.

[Suppressed Poet]

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet. The creation of the 401K let companies drop the whole pension idea screwing over the working class in favor of the corporations/owners not to mention filling the market with employee cash. It's one of the biggest swindles in history.

We pay taxes to the government and pay social security and Medicare our entire working lives. Why shouldn't we get one decent livable retirement from it?

You don’t have to invest in the stock market with your 401k/IRA. You can invest in treasury bonds if you are that concerned about risk and are willing to accept a piss poor ROI. There are ways you can invest your 401k/IRA into real estate, or precious metals, or even cryptocurrency if that’s your thing. Bet on whatever you want.

I partially agree 401ks marked the beginning of the end to corporate pension plans. It’s a lot more complicated than simply pointing to corporate greed though. In the 80s & even before we began transitioning from a primarily manufacturing economy to a service economy. We and the world had a population boom & increase in life expectancy. We were also starting the transition to a global competitive economy. It’s a sad reality, but corporations can no longer afford to give all their employees a gold watch, retirement pension, and health benefits for life at age 55. Those days are long gone.

Now you are beginning to sound like a capitalist & a conservative. Why should we pay social security & Medicare tax our entire working lives when we have absolutely no agency over what happens to that money? Why must we and our children continue to pay into a broken Ponzi scheme that only benefits current recipients and offers no guarantee it will be there for us when we retire? Why can’t we instead take the money we pay towards social security and invest it for ourselves instead of having the government (who absolutely sucks at managing anything financially) tell us what’s best with our money?

[Methais]

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet. The creation of the 401K let companies drop the whole pension idea screwing over the working class in favor of the corporations/owners not to mention filling the market with employee cash. It's one of the biggest swindles in history.

We pay taxes to the government and pay social security and Medicare our entire working lives. Why shouldn't we get one decent livable retirement from it?

Give people the option to opt out of it and invest that money where they want then. And people like you who want to depend on the government can keep doing that. Sound good?

[Back]

Give people the option to opt out of it and invest that money where they want then. And people like you who want to depend on the government can keep doing that. Sound good?

Hey I'm all for figuring out a better plan as long as we all agree on it.

The only issue I see with that idea is if the people who choose to invest in the stock market lose the retirement because their investments don't do well we really can't leave them hanging, you know? So if we're bailing them out that's unfair to the people who didn't lose everything in their investment. So any solution would have to be an across the board solution for all participants.

[Tgo01]

When you say our government makes things difficult for businesses or people what do you mean exactly? Are you were talking about regulations like not being able to dump poison into our drinking water and things like that?

Do you ever get tired of regurgitating what the media tells you to repeat?

Just off the top of my head:

Banning or limiting fracking
Shutting down pipelines such as Keystone XL
Limiting the number of oil leases
2000 hours to become a hair stylist
Requiring gun owners to carry insurance


You may not give a s*** about all the people losing their jobs but I do.

You're a good person Back. Now actually answer my fucking questions this time. Do we pay someone to sit at a desk and play on their phone all day just because they have a family to feed? Do we do away with computers and go back to the 1950's way of doing things so the government has to hire tens of thousands of more employees? Any sane person would say "NO!" I'm just trying to get a feel for how insane you are. It's easy to just say "Sure! Give everyone money!" when it is someone else's money you're talking about.


If there is some financial disaster it's not the working class' fault.

There is a very good chance it will be the government's fault.

[Methais]

Hey I'm all for figuring out a better plan as long as we all agree on it.

The only issue I see with that idea is if the people who choose to invest in the stock market lose the retirement because their investments don't do well we really can't leave them hanging, you know? So if we're bailing them out that's unfair to the people who didn't lose everything in their investment. So any solution would have to be an across the board solution for all participants.

That should be a risk people are free to take. And if others would rather depend on the government like you, then you and those people can do that instead.

My money my choice. Why should I be forced to trust the government with my finances?

[Back]

Do you ever get tired of regurgitating what the media tells you to repeat?

Just off the top of my head:

Banning or limiting fracking
Shutting down pipelines such as Keystone XL
Limiting the number of oil leases
2000 hours to become a hair stylist
Requiring gun owners to carry insurance



You're a good person Back. Now actually answer my fucking questions this time. Do we pay someone to sit at a desk and play on their phone all day just because they have a family to feed? Do we do away with computers and go back to the 1950's way of doing things so the government has to hire tens of thousands of more employees? Any sane person would say "NO!" I'm just trying to get a feel for how insane you are. It's easy to just say "Sure! Give everyone money!" when it is someone else's money you're talking about.



There is a very good chance it will be the government's fault.

Let's just start with this. What makes you think everyone just sits and play video games all day? Where do you get that idea? Do you know for a fact have you seen it with your own eyes?

PS. Getting hostile doesn't exactly encourage me to respond.

[Tgo01]

Let's just start with this. What makes you think everyone just sits and play video games all day?

That's not what I'm saying, I have no idea what these people are doing.

I'm trying to get you to admit there is a point where someone should lose their job, regardless of the fact they might have a family they need to support. But you won't do that because you would lose your "good guy" points by admitting that at some point we have to fire people from their jobs, and we would then need to have a discussion that isn't based on feelings or trying to make the other person feel bad, but rather a discussion about where the line is for when a person needs to be fired, and maybe Elon Musk or Donald Trump have found that line.

[Suppressed Poet]

PS. Getting hostile doesn't exactly encourage me to respond.

For fuck’s sake Back…

Go watch Hulk Hogan vs Randy Savage. Eat some fucking steak n’ eggs, do a gahdamn push-up, and then drink some full flavored cold burr. Do a fucking full Rocky IV training montage. What the hell is the matter with you?

[~Rocktar~]

What the hell is the matter with you?

The world may never know.

[Methais]

PS. Getting hostile doesn't exactly encourage me to respond.

Remember when I said I'd chug down some beers with you and you said you'd punch me in the face within the first 10 minutes if we ever hung out?

Such hostility.

[Gelston]

If the market tanks your 401k tanks. That's a bad bet. The creation of the 401K let companies drop the whole pension idea screwing over the working class in favor of the corporations/owners not to mention filling the market with employee cash. It's one of the biggest swindles in history.

We pay taxes to the government and pay social security and Medicare our entire working lives. Why shouldn't we get one decent livable retirement from it?

That was why social security was created, as a safety net. It is like you can't even comprehend anything.

And again, your personal savings/assets. You can invest in whatever the hell you want and call it a retirement plan. They have tax deferred IRAs too. You don't have to do things your employer or the Government spoon feeds you. Of course, you're basically a fucking lemming so you wouldn't understand that.

[Methais]

That was why social security was created, as a safety net. It is like you can't even comprehend anything.

And again, your personal savings/assets. You can invest in whatever the hell you want and call it a retirement plan. They have tax deferred IRAs too. You don't have to do things your employer or the Government spoon feeds you. Of course, you're basically a fucking lemming so you wouldn't understand that.

I'm pretty sure this is all Back's way of saying he's never worked a job with benefits.

[Gelston]

I'm pretty sure this is all Back's way of saying he's never worked a job with benefits.

I mean, fuck dude. Even McDonalds offers 401ks.

[ClydeR]

There's no way DOGE has enough employees to review the emailed homework assignments they will receive from federal employees. I think Musk plans to use the emails from federal employees to train his AI. He should not be allowed to harness the efforts of the federal workforce to enrich himself.

[Gelston]

Actually, McDonalds might be a great place for you Back.

Health and insurance
Health, dental, vision, life, short-term, and long-term insurance
401(k) match of up to 6% after one year
Paid time off
Paid vacation and holidays
Paid sick leave
Between 15 and 25 days of paid time off per year, depending on years of service

[ClydeR]

More grift..


CNN — The Federal Aviation Administration has agreed to use SpaceX’s Starlink internet system to upgrade the information technology networks it uses to manage US airspace, raising new concerns about conflicts of interest for CEO Elon Musk in one of his other roles, that of recommending funding cuts at federal agencies, including the FAA.

More... (https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/25/business/musk-faa-starlink-contract/index.html)


The FAA already has a contract with Verizon to upgrade its information technology networks. In a post on X Monday, Musk said “The Verizon system is not working and so is putting air travelers at serious risk.”

Musk has numerous business interests that are overseen by federal agencies. Beyond the FAA and NASA, he is also regulated by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, the Securities and Exchange Commission, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the National Labor Relations Board and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He has often clashed with several of those agencies over the years.

[Furryrat]

There's no way DOGE has enough employees to review the emailed homework assignments they will receive from federal employees. I think Musk plans to use the emails from federal employees to train his AI. He should not be allowed to harness the efforts of the federal workforce to enrich himself.

He has already publicly stated on X, though your "news" sources obviously didn't tell you, that the content of any email response is irrelevant. It is a test to see who responds and who doesn't.

[Methais]

There's no way DOGE has enough employees to review the emailed homework assignments they will receive from federal employees. I think Musk plans to use the emails from federal employees to train his AI. He should not be allowed to harness the efforts of the federal workforce to enrich himself.

No one gives a fuck what you think because you're retarded.

[drumpel]

That's not what I'm saying, I have no idea what these people are doing.

I'm trying to get you to admit there is a point where someone should lose their job, regardless of the fact they might have a family they need to support. But you won't do that because you would lose your "good guy" points by admitting that at some point we have to fire people from their jobs, and we would then need to have a discussion that isn't based on feelings or trying to make the other person feel bad, but rather a discussion about where the line is for when a person needs to be fired, and maybe Elon Musk or Donald Trump have found that line.

The problem with people like takesintheBACKdoor don't understand that the government is a business and needs to be ran like one. It can't be left to run unchecked like it has been otherwise it will fail.

When a company hits hard times and they're trying to stay in the black they start doing things to reduce overhead costs, such as:
1) Eliminating overtime
2) Reducing hours
3) Dropping temp/part time workers
4) Letting full time employees go
....and the list goes on.

What rarely happens with the government is this, getting rid of the excess waste to help keep things within budget. Does it suck that people lose their jobs? Sure, it's happened to almost everyone at some point so many of us know what it's like and it sucks.

I know waste happens in the government:

I have friends from across all military branches and they all have the same story about how the end of year review for budget is coming up so they're instructed by their COs to use/waste supplies so they can put it in the books that they used up their budget. Upon doing this they get to keep the same budget they had the year before or get it increased (it's usually the latter) so they can get all new supplies. When the next yearly budget review is coming up it's the same thing; use/waste supplies so they get their budget renewed or expanded. Rinse and repeat over and over again. They tell me they'd spend days doing "target practice" to go through all the ammo, firing off thousands and thousands of rounds....

If this is just one small section of the government that's just going on about wasting stuff to keep or increase their budgets, this mentality is clearly running rampant through other (if not all) bodies of the government. There needs to be a culling and no one here gives a shit about BACKdooringmen and how he fells about it. If he's too fucking dumb to understand it all you can do is point and laugh at the retard, then after a good laugh you just ignore the fucking idiot and watch him meltdown.

[Gelston]

The "good enough for Government work!" mentality is coming back to bite them in the ass.

[Methais]

The problem with people like takesintheBACKdoor don't understand that the government is a business and needs to be ran like one. It can't be left to run unchecked like it has been otherwise it will fail.

When a company hits hard times and they're trying to stay in the black they start doing things to reduce overhead costs, such as:
1) Eliminating overtime
2) Reducing hours
3) Dropping temp/part time workers
4) Letting full time employees go
....and the list goes on.

What rarely happens with the government is this, getting rid of the excess waste to help keep things within budget. Does it suck that people lose their jobs? Sure, it's happened to almost everyone at some point so many of us know what it's like and it sucks.

I know waste happens in the government:

I have friends from across all military branches and they all have the same story about how the end of year review for budget is coming up so they're instructed by their COs to use/waste supplies so they can put it in the books that they used up their budget. Upon doing this they get to keep the same budget they had the year before or get it increased (it's usually the latter) so they can get all new supplies. When the next yearly budget review is coming up it's the same thing; use/waste supplies so they get their budget renewed or expanded. Rinse and repeat over and over again. They tell me they'd spend days doing "target practice" to go through all the ammo, firing off thousands and thousands of rounds....

If this is just one small section of the government that's just going on about wasting stuff to keep or increase their budgets, this mentality is clearly running rampant through other (if not all) bodies of the government. There needs to be a culling and no one here gives a shit about BACKdooringmen and how he fells about it. If he's too fucking dumb to understand it all you can do is point and laugh at the retard, then after a good laugh you just ignore the fucking idiot and watch him meltdown.


https://i.imgur.com/xtlGJ6l.png

[ClydeR]

He has already publicly stated on X, though your "news" sources obviously didn't tell you, that the content of any email response is irrelevant. It is a test to see who responds and who doesn't.

He will definitely use it to train his AI.

[Furryrat]

He will definitely use it to train his AI.

Correct. Train it to tell the difference between a productive, useful employee and dead weight.

[Methais]

He will definitely use it to train his AI.

So what? Control your EDS already, loser.

[~Rocktar~]

Don't remember if I had posted this before but here it is. This is the reason we need DOGE.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/483617725_1075539804604050_3365634836833920053_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s600x600_tt6&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=D0aEc5B6XrMQ7kNvgEmLf0Y&_nc_oc=AdjGf9zqr3cAGte7kYlOhVrEXI1eTajWucWAHSFfU4c RA8WJ-FGs5Z0n061vvjtNNqY&_nc_zt=23&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_gid=AQCEpbnmHXl5V73T4qelMjR&oh=00_AYEdwAD4hVu_-Nf-XaKd1Zv8ZYxLGL58KiKadfklKiLVCA&oe=67D263DE

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/Q6ODTDg.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1GDIoTHz4s

[ClydeR]

The problem with people like takesintheBACKdoor don't understand that the government is a business and needs to be ran like one.

The government is not a business and should not be run like one. Businesses have a profit motive. Governments serve the public good and do not expect to make a profit.

[Suppressed Poet]

The government is not a business and should not be run like one. Businesses have a profit motive. Governments serve the public good and do not expect to make a profit.

Government also doesn’t get to endlessly waste taxpayer money without repercussions. The voters have spoken. Trump & DOGE are doing exactly what Americans want, which is clean up waste / fraud / abuse & ultimately balance the budget. They are serving the public. Get over it, minority loser.

[ClydeR]

Government also doesn’t get to endlessly waste taxpayer money without repercussions. The voters have spoken. Trump & DOGE are doing exactly what Americans want, which is clean up waste / fraud / abuse & ultimately balance the budget. They are serving the public. Get over it, minority loser.

Objective evidence disagrees..


Sixty percent of voters disapprove of the way Elon Musk and the Department of Government Efficiency, known as DOGE, are dealing with workers employed by the federal government, while 36 percent approve.

More... (https://poll.qu.edu/poll-release?releaseid=3921)

[Suppressed Poet]

Objective evidence disagrees..

'76% of Americans favor DOGE': White House press secretary cites new poll
https://cbs4local.com/amp/news/nation-world/76-of-americans-favor-doge-white-house-press-secretary-says-department-of-government-efficiency-president-donald-trump-elon-musk-karoline-leavitt-waste-fraud-abuse-funds-money-costs-taxpayers

Even your dumbass should know that polls are certainly not “objective evidence.”

You know what is though? Trump won the last most recent election in stunning fashion. Not just the electoral college, but the popular vote. That’s what I mean by the voters haven spoken. You got your ass kicked ClydeR. Don’t blow your anger load just yet…you got more than 3.5 years to spend your senseless outrage on.

[~Rocktar~]

Objective evidence disagrees..

A poll done by people ostensibly paid for by a group heavily funded by money provided through government waste, fraud and abuse finds that people don't want to stop waste, fraud and abuse.

Big shocker.

[Methais]

The government is not a business and should not be run like one. Businesses have a profit motive. Governments serve the public good and do not expect to make a profit.

The majority of the country voted for exactly what Trump is doing right now.

Why do you hate democracy?

[Parkbandit]

The government is not a business and should not be run like one. Businesses have a profit motive. Governments serve the public good and do not expect to make a profit.

Can you show me someone saying that government should make a profit?

No?

Ok.

Strawman still needs a brain I see.

No one is ever asking that government makes a profit... normal people are just asking that we don't run trillion dollar deficits every year.

[Back]

No one is ever asking that government makes a profit... normal people are just asking that we don't run trillion dollar deficits every year.

The deficit is not the constituent's problem. Its the elected leader's problem. They have to fix it. We should not have to pay for it because we didn't cause it. They did.

[~Rocktar~]

The deficit is not the constituent's problem. Its the elected leader's problem. They have to fix it. We should not have to pay for it because we didn't cause it. They did.

And the retardation is complete. Just who elects those leaders? Oh, right, the populous. So who is responsible for what elected officials do? Yep, the populous. That's the problem with voting, it's an act of force that you are personally responsible for. I bet you think "free" money from the government is free too.

[Back]

And the retardation is complete. Just who elects those leaders? Oh, right, the populous. So who is responsible for what elected officials do? Yep, the populous. That's the problem with voting, it's an act of force that you are personally responsible for. I bet you think "free" money from the government is free too.

Wow. You believe you should tighten your belt to pay for it? Amazing.

If you follow your line of thinking then people who vote for the Republican party are more responsible for deficit growth than democrats. Republican presidents have generally increased the U.S. deficit more than Democratic ones. According to Investopedia, Republican presidents have added about $1.4 trillion to the deficit per four-year term, compared to about $1.2 trillion added by Democratic presidents.

[Parkbandit]

The deficit is not the constituent's problem. Its the elected leader's problem. They have to fix it. We should not have to pay for it because we didn't cause it. They did.

All I got from this is you have no idea how government functions.

Color me shocked.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I back high or drunk today?

[Methais]

I back high or drunk today?

Wouldn't it be easier to ask when he isn't wasted?

[Parkbandit]

I back high or drunk today?

Just retarded.

He's one of those rare people who no matter how drunk or high he gets, he can't get any dumber since he's already reached the pinnacle of ultra stupidity.

[~Rocktar~]

Wow. You believe you should tighten your belt to pay for it? Amazing.

If you follow your line of thinking then people who vote for the Republican party are more responsible for deficit growth than democrats. Republican presidents have generally increased the U.S. deficit more than Democratic ones. According to Investopedia, Republican presidents have added about $1.4 trillion to the deficit per four-year term, compared to about $1.2 trillion added by Democratic presidents.

I am tightening my belt you fucking moron, it's called inflation. Perhaps you have heard of it?

[~Rocktar~]

Can't wait until that dinosaur is DEAD and buried.

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[Parkbandit]

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/26/doge-npr-pbs-hearing-00004556

Get it done.

[Back]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press


A free press is essential for a functioning democracy and a well-informed society. Here’s why it matters:

1. Accountability and Transparency – Journalists investigate and expose corruption, government misconduct, and corporate wrongdoing, holding those in power accountable.


2. Informed Public – A free press provides citizens with reliable information, enabling them to make educated decisions about politics, policies, and daily life.


3. Protection of Rights – It plays a crucial role in defending human rights by reporting on injustices, discrimination, and oppression.


4. Checks and Balances – A free press acts as the "fourth estate," ensuring that the government does not overreach its authority and that laws are applied fairly.


5. Encourages Debate and Diversity of Thought – A healthy press promotes discussion on important issues, allowing for a diversity of perspectives and preventing the dominance of a single narrative.


6. Prevents Misinformation and Propaganda – Independent journalism counters false information and state-controlled narratives that may mislead the public.


7. Economic and Social Development – Access to free and factual reporting contributes to economic stability, social progress, and overall national development.



Without a free press, societies risk censorship, authoritarianism, and the suppression of truth.

[Suppressed Poet]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

You seem to be confusing free press with state sponsored press…

[Tgo01]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

You people always crack me up with this argument when it comes to NPR.

You openly mock state sponsored news when it comes to Russia, China, North Korea, and others, and for good reason I might add.

But when it comes to state sponsored news in Western nations such as the US, Canada, and UK, suddenly it's the best thing ever and even whispering about taking away government funding is somehow a threat on democracy and the free press.

Do you think majority white nations are better than other nations? Are you that much of a racist?

[Back]

You people always crack me up with this argument when it comes to NPR.

You openly mock state sponsored news when it comes to Russia, China, North Korea, and others, and for good reason I might add.

But when it comes to state sponsored news in Western nations such as the US, Canada, and UK, suddenly it's the best thing ever and even whispering about taking away government funding is somehow a threat on democracy and the free press.

Do you think majority white nations are better than other nations? Are you that much of a racist?

Whoa whoa haha. If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you'd get a gold medal for that one!

The wonderful thing about public media in America is that it can criticize the administration. America wouldn't be America if it didn't. Guess what America would be like if all criticism of the government was suppressed?

[Parkbandit]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

It was never free with NPR and PBS.

525 BILLION TAX PAYER DOLLARS every year goes to Corporation of Public Broadcasting.

Why should the US taxpayer subsidize them?

That's not a free press.. that's literally the opposite.

And it's soon to be over.

[Parkbandit]

Whoa whoa haha. If jumping to conclusions was an Olympic sport you'd get a gold medal for that one!

The wonderful thing about public media in America is that it can criticize the administration. America wouldn't be America if it didn't. Guess what America would be like if all criticism of the government was suppressed?

This will continue.. just not on the taxpayer dime.

The way it should be.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

You need AI to answer that? Are you high or drunk right now?

[Tgo01]

The wonderful thing about public media in America is that it can criticize the administration. America wouldn't be America if it didn't. Guess what America would be like if all criticism of the government was suppressed?

So...so...so wait. Are you suggesting non-US government funded news organizations are being suppressed here in America? Because if not then this point makes no sense.

If this is actually your concern you should NOT want the government to be funding news organizations, because if the company relies on tax dollars then they could be coerced into becoming a mouthpiece for the government or risk losing their funding. How in the world you think the government funding these news organizations somehow makes them more willing to go against the government is wild.

[Methais]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

That's great. Now tell us who funds NPR.

[Back]

You need AI to answer that? Are you high or drunk right now?

I will never be as high or drunk as you guys are right now on the tears of the liberals, leftist, democrats, gays, transgenders, who else do you hate oh yeah immigrants, refugees, poor people, and everyone else who you disagree with. Amirite? ��

[Suppressed Poet]

I will never be as high or drunk as you guys are right now on the tears of the liberals, leftist, democrats, gays, transgenders, who else do you hate oh yeah immigrants, refugees, poor people, and everyone else who you disagree with. Amirite? ��

Just leftists and illegal immigrants. The illegal part is important.

[Parkbandit]

I will never be as high or drunk as you guys are right now on the tears of the liberals, leftist, democrats, gays, transgenders, who else do you hate oh yeah immigrants, refugees, poor people, and everyone else who you disagree with. Amirite? ��

The only Party of Hate is the Democrats.

[Parkbandit]

Just leftists and illegal immigrants. The illegal part is important.

His ilk always play that game... "OMG U R AGAINST IMMIGRANTS!" because they are all retarded.

[Methais]

I will never be as high or drunk as you guys are right now on the tears of the liberals, leftist, democrats, gays, transgenders, who else do you hate oh yeah immigrants, refugees, poor people, and everyone else who you disagree with. Amirite? ��

Project a little harder retard. Your side is the side of "Agree with us or we'll fucking kill you" and are upset over your pseudo slave labor being deported.

But no one expects you to have any self awareness or not be a pathological liar, so there's that.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I will never be as high or drunk as you guys are right now on the tears of the liberals, leftist, democrats, gays, transgenders, who else do you hate oh yeah immigrants, refugees, poor people, and everyone else who you disagree with. Amirite? ��

I married a legal 1st generation minority immigrant. I have a niece and nephew who are gay and liberals, both of whom are in my trust and will benefit greatly from my wife and I's savings when we leave this earth. See, I am doing my "fair share" and helping the poor and minorities.

Meanwhile, what have you done to directly impact the people with whom you identify so much? Be specific, I know I will win this dick measuring contest.

[Neveragain]

ChatGPT> what is the importance of a free press

A free press can only be free if it's not funded by government. Anything else will be government propaganda.