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Apotheosis
06-05-2005, 10:04 AM
hope the US doesn't wise up


Satellite toll plan to make drivers pay by the mile
Darling orders nationwide road pricing. Charge of £1.34 a mile on busiest roads
By Francis Elliott, Deputy Political Editor

05 June 2005

British motorists face paying a new charge for every mile they drive in a revolutionary scheme to be introduced within two years.

Drivers will pay according to when and how far they travel throughout the country's road network under proposals being developed by the Government.

Alistair Darling, the Secretary of State for Transport, revealed that pilot areas will be selected in just 24 months' time as he made clear his determination to press ahead with a national road pricing scheme.

Each of Britain's 24 million vehicles would be tracked by satellite if a variable "pay-as-you-drive" charge replaces the current road tax.

In an interview with The Independent on Sunday, Mr Darling warned that unless action is taken now, the country "could face gridlock" within two decades.

Official research suggests national road pricing could increase the capacity of Britain's network by as much as 40 per cent at a stroke, he said.

The rapid uptake of satellite navigational technology in cars is helping to usher in the new "pay-as-you-drive" charge much sooner than had been expected. Figures contained in a government feasibility study have suggested motorists could pay up to £1.34 for each mile they travel during peak hours on the most congested roads.

Although a fully operational national scheme is still considered to be a decade away, Mr Darling said local schemes could be up and running within five years. Manchester is considered a front-runner, with local authorities in the Midlands and London also pressing to be considered for a £2.5bn central fund to introduce the change.

Most of the necessary technology already exists. Lorries will be tracked by satellite and charged accordingly from 2007. The main obstacle to constructing a scheme to track Britain's 24 million private vehicles is public opinion, and Mr Darling is determined to start making the case now.

"You could dance around this for years but every year the problem is getting worse," he said.

"We have got to do everything we can during the course of this Parliament to decide whether or not we go with road pricing. Something of this magnitude will span several parliaments and you need 'buy-in' not just from political parties but also from the general public.

"Drivers have got to see that they benefit," he said, adding that one of the "weaknesses" of the congestion charging scheme introduced in the capital by the Mayor of London, Ken Livingstone, was that it delivered a "general benefit not a particular benefit". Motorists could feel they are paying a penalty to support buses they do not use.

The national road-pricing scheme, by contrast, has got to work so there's "something in it for me", said Mr Darling in advance of a keynote speech on the issue this Thursday.

Despite his insistence that the scheme would lead to no overall increase in the level of taxation as road taxes and fuel duties are reduced or abolished, it is bound to prompt fresh claims that Labour is waging a "war on motorists".

Some campaigners, meanwhile, are pressing Mr Darling to introduce new levies on individual roads immediately, using existing microwave technology or tolls. But that would force traffic on to quieter roads while entrenching opposition to a national scheme, ministers believe.

However, new and expanded roads are likely to see innovations such as car-sharing lanes, available to single drivers only if they pay a premium.

fallenSaint
06-05-2005, 10:09 AM
Id be bloody f'ing broke just getting to and from work...

06-05-2005, 10:11 AM
Thank god for the second amendment

Apotheosis
06-05-2005, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by RangerD1
Thank god for the second amendment

for once i agree with rangerd

06-05-2005, 10:34 AM
Jesus...

- Arkans

Miss X
06-05-2005, 10:48 AM
Been a long time coming. I can't wait for car sharing lanes, will make my life a lot easier. :)

Artha
06-05-2005, 12:19 PM
Britain is fucking creepy.

Back
06-05-2005, 12:22 PM
“Thats why you should drive a car with a carburetor” - Jesse James

HarmNone
06-05-2005, 12:22 PM
Sounds like they're trying to make the road tax relevant to how much wear and tear the individual driver causes on the road. Is that the purpose?

Miss X
06-05-2005, 12:29 PM
I'm not sure that is the reason really, since we pay road tax at a set amount related to engine size already. I think it's more about getting cars off the road at peak times. Right now we have too many cars on the Motorways and A roads during peak hours. People tend to hate public transport and don't share cars. They just want to encourage us to use our cars more during off peak hours instead of 7-10 AM and 4-7PM and share etc. Seems logical to me.

[Edited on 5-6-05 by Miss X]

StrayRogue
06-05-2005, 12:32 PM
Anyone who argues against it should try driving around the centre of London, Manchester et al at 5:30 pm every day.

HarmNone
06-05-2005, 12:42 PM
We have much the same problem in many of our metropolitan areas. Lots of steps have been taken over the years to encourage people to car-pool, or use public transportation. So far, nothing's worked very well. People just prefer to have their own car. It's a sticky wicket all the way around, I guess.

Nieninque
06-05-2005, 12:49 PM
Its another stupid idea.

They need to focus on making public transport viable first, THEN introduce disencentives for driving. Typical government getting it arse about face first.

StrayRogue
06-05-2005, 12:51 PM
Heh, it works alright in central Manchester. In fact we have the buisiest public transport service in Western Europe if I remember correctly.

Warriorbird
06-05-2005, 08:02 PM
Driving in Manchester is like hell.

xtc
06-06-2005, 02:42 PM
It looks like another socialist tax grab to me but I don't live in England. Has the government introduced car pooling programs which try to match up people who live and work in the same area? Have they improved their public transportation system, making it fast, safe, efficient and capable of transporting more people? Have they introduced car pool only lanes? I would try all of the above before an Orwellian tax grab. Having the Government know my movements and tax at the same time would piss me off on two levels

Nieninque
06-06-2005, 03:04 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Heh, it works alright in central Manchester. In fact we have the buisiest public transport service in Western Europe if I remember correctly.

Which is the way it needs to happen.

Make public transport viable...introduce disencentives to drive. Not the other way around

Apotheosis
06-06-2005, 03:31 PM
OR they could basically offer incentives to car pool. like, how about give the taxpayer 1.34 per mile if they carry 4 or more people in their car per commute.