Army to Remove Confederate Statue from Arlington

[ClydeR]

The U.S. Army intends to remove a Confederate memorial from Arlington National Cemetery next week as part of its ongoing work to rid Defense Department property of divisive rebel imagery, defying dozens of congressional Republicans who have vociferously protested the move.

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/12/16/confederate-memorial-arlington-cemetery/)


The Army, which operates Arlington Cemetery, informed lawmakers Friday that it would proceed with the monument's removal, officials told The Washington Post, because it was required by the end of the year to comply with a law to identify and remove assets that commemorate the Confederacy. A congressional commission had previously decided the memorial met the criteria for removal. The task will cost $3 million.


Removal of the memorial was recommended by a bipartisan congressional commission appointed after the police murder of George Floyd in 2020 was followed by a wide-scale reckoning with the nation's history of racism, and it marks a significant moment in the Defense Department's mission to cleanse the U.S. military of Confederate iconography.

The commission found about 1,100 assets that commemorate the Confederacy, including base names and street signs, and advised the Pentagon on what should be removed or changed. The memorial at Arlington was the last significant item on that list, Army officials said, and its ouster comes just before the Jan. 1. deadline set by Congress.

How could it possibly cost $3 million?

[drumpel]

So you're saying that you backwater, dumb mother fuckers could go and remove it without any cost to the taxpayers? And you say that because you're too stupid to understand the whole idea of remembering the past is bad and you want to hide it so you can repeat history over and over again?

I'd say that this kind of thought process surprises me, but I've see your posts and you're closely trailing Seran in the retard thinking awards.

[Seran]

How could it possibly cost $3 million?

Some hickville Republican probably demanded it be turned over to them as a future yard ornament, right next to their propane equipped crucifix. Personally, they should have taken a bulldozer to it, smashed it up into little pieces and then dumped it into a hog waste pond where it belongs.

[Parkbandit]

Some hickville Republican probably demanded it be turned over to them as a future yard ornament, right next to their propane equipped crucifix. Personally, they should have taken a bulldozer to it, smashed it up into little pieces and then dumped it into a hog waste pond where it belongs.

Bulldoze a historical monument of the Democrat Party and their war to keep slavery going?

I don't blame you.

[~Rocktar~]

Some hickville Republican probably demanded it be turned over to them as a future yard ornament, right next to their propane equipped crucifix. Personally, they should have taken a bulldozer to it, smashed it up into little pieces and then dumped it into a hog waste pond where it belongs.


Says the racist, anti-Semite that supports mass rape and the murder and mutilation of women and babies.

[Suppressed Poet]

Some hickville Republican probably demanded it be turned over to them as a future yard ornament, right next to their propane equipped crucifix. Personally, they should have taken a bulldozer to it, smashed it up into little pieces and then dumped it into a hog waste pond where it belongs.

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But seriously, think of it this way… If every remnant of Nazi concentration camps were destroyed we would have even more Holocaust denialism than we do now. History is meant to be preserved, studied, and hopefully some wisdom follows.

[ClydeR]

But seriously, think of it this way… If every remnant of Nazi concentration camps were destroyed we would have even more Holocaust denialism than we do now. History is meant to be preserved, studied, and hopefully some wisdom follows.


This monument is no remnant of the Civil War. From the article..


The marker was erected in 1914, part of a constellation of Confederate markers that rose throughout the early 1900s to cement the ideals of white supremacy as Black Americans demanded equal rights.

That context must be understood, said Ty Seidule, a retired Army general who was the vice chair of the congressional commission that recommended the monument's removal from Arlington. While Republican lawmakers described the marker as an ode to reconciliation, it was installed in what was then a racially segregated cemetery and molded in celebration of an emerging racial police state in the South.

"It's incredibly ironic the party of Lincoln is the one doing this," said Seidule, a historian and visiting professor at Hamilton College, describing the GOP effort to stop the marker's removal. "It is the cruelest monument in the country because it is so clearly proslavery."


Instead of being a remnant, this monument is a form of denialism..


The Lost Cause movement, which recast rebel traitors as morally righteous warriors defending states' rights and spread the false belief that slavery was benevolent, is evident in the memorial's bronze panels. A weeping Black woman, described by cemetery historians as a stereotypical "mammy," clutches the baby of a White officer, and a camp servant dutifully follows his enslaver toward battle.

The memorial's Latin inscription directly references the idealized mythology of the Lost Cause, the cemetery's historians say, further underscoring the deliberate historical distortion.

[Suppressed Poet]

This monument is no remnant of the Civil War. From the article..




Instead of being a remnant, this monument is a form of denialism..

The ugly parts of our history is still our history, and no amount of safe spaces & woke censorship can undo it. Perhaps it is righteous & just in our modern era to remove it from Arlington National Cemetery, but destroying them only aides in our ignorance.

[Seran]

History should not glorify the rebellion of a failed uprising. This is the same reason why Nazi materials are outlawed in Germany. The argument that preserving these monuments is that it teaches people what not to do is a bold-faced lie. These monuments are testaments to the few who are trying to bring about a second Civil War. Our social studies and history lessons in school teach us why the South was brutally put down, theit few remaining monuments should likewise be annihilated.

[~Rocktar~]

History should not glorify the rebellion of a failed uprising. This is the same reason why Nazi materials are outlawed in Germany. The argument that preserving these monuments is that it teaches people what not to do is a bold-faced lie. These monuments are testaments to the few who are trying to bring about a second Civil War. Our social studies and history lessons in school teach us why the South was brutally put down, theit few remaining monuments should likewise be annihilated.

The South's only crime was to leave the US, walk out, say no more, all of it completely legal. Then the North, the United States of America illegally invaded a sovereign nation who's only crime was to say "No, we don't want to be in your club anymore." And then they proceeded to commit atrocity after atrocity and when pressed about it, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said they should not prosecute the South for war crimes because it would open the North to equal prosecution. Every Northern general would be in prison for the rapes, murder and abuse of prisoners under their command.

The only people really agitating for a second Civil War are you Leftist, racist, anti-semitic scum that support mass murder, mass rape and the murder and mutilation of women and babies. The South isn't advocating for it in any way, however if it comes be prepared for a horrible outcome because of your arrogance.

Please, fuck off you uneducated welfare queen.

[Neveragain]

The South's only crime was to leave the US, walk out, say no more, all of it completely legal. Then the North, the United States of America illegally invaded a sovereign nation who's only crime was to say "No, we don't want to be in your club anymore." And then they proceeded to commit atrocity after atrocity and when pressed about it, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said they should not prosecute the South for war crimes because it would open the North to equal prosecution. Every Northern general would be in prison for the rapes, murder and abuse of prisoners under their command.

The only people really agitating for a second Civil War are you Leftist, racist, anti-semitic scum that support mass murder, mass rape and the murder and mutilation of women and babies. The South isn't advocating for it in any way, however if it comes be prepared for a horrible outcome because of your arrogance.

Please, fuck off you uneducated welfare queen.

Jefferson was writing the first articles of emancipation before the bill of rights was created. The southern states were well aware of the impact of those rights when they joined the US. The confederate states committed treason.

[Solkern]

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But seriously, think of it this way… If every remnant of Nazi concentration camps were destroyed we would have even more Holocaust denialism than we do now. History is meant to be preserved, studied, and hopefully some wisdom follows.

That’s a bit different. They’re absolutely zero Nazi statues publicly anywhere in Germany.

[~Rocktar~]

Jefferson was writing the first articles of emancipation before the bill of rights was created. The southern states were well aware of the impact of those rights when they joined the US. The confederate states committed treason.

There is no treason against a country that you no longer belong too. This tired old tripe has been argued by legal scholars far more educated than you.

[Solkern]

The South's only crime was to leave the US, walk out, say no more, all of it completely legal. Then the North, the United States of America illegally invaded a sovereign nation who's only crime was to say "No, we don't want to be in your club anymore." And then they proceeded to commit atrocity after atrocity and when pressed about it, the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court said they should not prosecute the South for war crimes because it would open the North to equal prosecution. Every Northern general would be in prison for the rapes, murder and abuse of prisoners under their command.

The only people really agitating for a second Civil War are you Leftist, racist, anti-semitic scum that support mass murder, mass rape and the murder and mutilation of women and babies. The South isn't advocating for it in any way, however if it comes be prepared for a horrible outcome because of your arrogance.

Please, fuck off you uneducated welfare queen.

Texas v. White in 1869, said it was illegal, what the south did.


https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

“Treason in the Constitution is levying war against the United States,” Nicoletti said. “It was incredibly easy for them to prove that Davis levied war against the U.S.; that was his job.”

Especially since Davis was a U.S. citizen, and by law, you can’t just give up your U.S. citizenship whenever you want to.

[Seran]

Texas v. White in 1869, said it was illegal, what the south did.


https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

“Treason in the Constitution is levying war against the United States,” Nicoletti said. “It was incredibly easy for them to prove that Davis levied war against the U.S.; that was his job.”

Especially since Davis was a U.S. citizen, and by law, you can’t just give up your U.S. citizenship whenever you want to.

Well, you can renounce Untied States citizenship whenever you want to, provided you're not in the United States and can claim citizenship elsewhere before a US consulate. Davis couldn't have however, they rose up in rebellion and were seizing US military bases and assets, attacking soldiers who fought against their uprising.

"The South will rise again," remains a rallying cry for southern Republicans, the very same who screech about made up social issues, GOP boogeymen and the like.

[Solkern]

Well, you can renounce Untied States citizenship whenever you want to, provided you're not in the United States and can claim citizenship elsewhere before a US consulate. Davis couldn't have however, they rose up in rebellion and were seizing US military bases and assets, attacking soldiers who fought against their uprising.

"The South will rise again," remains a rallying cry for southern Republicans, the very same who screech about made up social issues, GOP boogeymen and the like.

The US can also reject it as well, there was an ex military dude that tried to renounce his citizenship in US Embassy in Moscow and he was denied.

[Methais]

How could it possibly cost $3 million?

Because 99% of that is getting funneled somewhere else.

It's because our government is corrupt.

[Methais]

"The South will rise again," remains a rallying cry for southern Republicans, the very same who screech about made up social issues, GOP boogeymen and the like.

Literally nobody takes those people, of which there are a tiny overall number of, seriously. They're like the equivalent of you, but on the right instead of the left, and less stupid. Because literally everyone on any side of anything is less stupid than you are.

[Suppressed Poet]

The US can also reject it as well, there was an ex military dude that tried to renounce his citizenship in US Embassy in Moscow and he was denied.

Steven Segal is a national treasure, Kumite world champion, Bulshido grandmaster, and a top performing US secret agent. Our government cannot afford to allow him to renounce his citizenship just because a few haters say his movies suck. :rofl:

[Neveragain]

There is no treason against a country that you no longer belong too. This tired old tripe has been argued by legal scholars far more educated than you.

You don't get to steal federal property when you secede, open fire on the country you separated from and not call it treason.

The "If only the South would have..." is the only thing that's tripe.

[Seran]

The US can also reject it as well, there was an ex military dude that tried to renounce his citizenship in US Embassy in Moscow and he was denied.

Did he have dual citizenship with Russia? That's pretty interesting if he did and the consul rejected his request to renounce his US citizenship.

[ClydeR]

Grab the popcorn.


FALLS CHURCH, Va. (AP) — A federal judge on Monday issued a temporary restraining order barring removal of a memorial to Confederate soldiers at Arlington National Cemetery.

A group called Defend Arlington, affiliated with a group called Save Southern Heritage Florida, filed a lawsuit Sunday in federal court in Alexandria, Virginia, seeking the restraining order. A hearing has been scheduled for Wednesday.

Work to remove the memorial had begun Monday before the restraining order was issued, but the memorial remains in place on cemetery grounds.

More... (https://apnews.com/article/confederate-memorial-arlington-cemetery-restraining-order-65a00f0e3b49b22547059ee021ec3e82)

[Seran]

Grab the popcorn.

Of course it's someone from Florida wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.

[Methais]

Of course it's someone from Florida wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.

Here's a list of your other possible retarded responses had the state not been Florida:


Of course it's someone from Texas wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Arkansas wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Louisiana wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Mississippi wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Alabama wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Georgia wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from South Carolina wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from North Carolina wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Virginia wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.


Of course it's someone from Tennessee wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.



It's because you're stupid. And are made up of 98% soy. The other 2% is just shit.

[Suppressed Poet]

Of course it's someone from Florida wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.

The United States of America was founded on rebellion & sedition. Every state has that as part of their heritage.

[Methais]

The United States of America was founded on rebellion & sedition. Every state has that as part of their heritage.

Seran thinks rebellions come from the grocery store.

[Suppressed Poet]

Seran thinks rebellions come from the grocery store.

Seran at the grocery store pointing his EBT blaster at random people complaining about food prices:

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[~Rocktar~]

Texas v. White in 1869, said it was illegal, what the south did.


https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

“Treason in the Constitution is levying war against the United States,” Nicoletti said. “It was incredibly easy for them to prove that Davis levied war against the U.S.; that was his job.”

Especially since Davis was a U.S. citizen, and by law, you can’t just give up your U.S. citizenship whenever you want to.

Courts also said that slavery was ok, racism was legal and women were chattel property. Just because a court says it doesn't make it fact. Sorry, for reference, see the significant changes in legal precedent over the past 50+ years.

That said, the legal arguments of the time were very bad and it was far from settled. Here is an article written about it fairly recently.

https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/is-secession-treason/

Now go fuck yourself. You fuckwits like to bring this shit up every time you turn around because you think it's so righteous. The facts are, you are wrong, had people actually been tried for treason then the Southern states would have rightfully and justly prosecuted uncounted numbers of U.S. Army officers and soldiers for war crimes which they absolutely, joyfully and with great fanfare committed and documented in their personal letters, official reports and in newspapers and photographs at the time. Imagine if Grant and Sherman had been hanged for the warcrimes they committed against even U.S. Citizens who they considered sympathizers? So again, I say, fuck off and hope to hell that the ignorant Leftist children are not successful in trying to start Civil War 2.0.

[~Rocktar~]

Then there is this:

https://www.law.virginia.edu/news/201710/was-secession-legal

[Parkbandit]

Of course it's someone from Florida wanting to 'preserve their heritage' of rebellion and sedition represented by Confederate statues.

Floridians just never want the world to forget that the Democrats fought a war to keep slavery.

[Seran]

The United States of America was founded on rebellion & sedition. Every state has that as part of their heritage.

Incorrect, but I appreciate what you did there. Fewer than 70,000 died to achieve our independence from a foreign colonial power. 620,000 died in the civil war because the South wanted to continue with slavery. Think on that before you try and make faulty comparisons.

[Methais]

Incorrect, but I appreciate what you did there. Fewer than 70,000 died to achieve our independence from a foreign colonial power. 620,000 died in the civil war because the South wanted to continue with slavery. Think on that before you try and make faulty comparisons.

There was no rebellion involved in anything leading up to the Revolutionary War?

























































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You stupid dick.

[Solkern]

Did he have dual citizenship with Russia? That's pretty interesting if he did and the consul rejected his request to renounce his US citizenship.

Russia was demanding he renounce his citizenship before they gave him it.

[Suppressed Poet]

Incorrect, but I appreciate what you did there. Fewer than 70,000 died to achieve our independence from a foreign colonial power. 620,000 died in the civil war because the South wanted to continue with slavery. Think on that before you try and make faulty comparisons.

So because our war for independence had fewer deaths that makes it less rebellious?

[Parkbandit]

Incorrect, but I appreciate what you did there. Fewer than 70,000 died to achieve our independence from a foreign colonial power. 620,000 died in the civil war because the South wanted to continue with slavery. Think on that before you try and make faulty comparisons.

What does the number of deaths have to do with anything?

The colonies in the new world rebelled against what was the most powerful country on the planet at the time and won their independence.. becoming the United States of America.

"Well, only 70,000 people died" -Seran

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[Seran]

So because our war for independence had fewer deaths that makes it less rebellious?

The thousands of miles between our shores and colonial status separates the two issues by far.

[Suppressed Poet]

The thousands of miles between our shores and colonial status separates the two issues by far.

I get that you have difficulty understanding due to your retardation & complete dependence upon big government for your own existence, but most Americans by our history & culture have a rebellious spirit. We recognize inalienable individual liberties that supersede the powers of a central federal government.

The Civil War was fought & resolved some time ago. Nobody that I know, left/right/center, wants a repeat. Political violence is an absolute last resort and it’s better to resolve our differences the democratic way.

[Parkbandit]

The thousands of miles between our shores and colonial status separates the two issues by far.

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It's like you have no idea what you are talking about but want so desperately to make an intelligent point.

In this case (and most cases with you), you should have not posted anything.

[Seran]

I get that you have difficulty understanding due to your retardation & complete dependence upon big government for your own existence, but most Americans by our history & culture have a rebellious spirit. We recognize inalienable individual liberties that supersede the powers of a central federal government.

The Civil War was fought & resolved some time ago. Nobody that I know, left/right/center, wants a repeat. Political violence is an absolute last resort and it’s better to resolve our differences the democratic way.

So according to you, owning slaves and rising up in an armed rebellion over preserving your right to subject others to ownership of their bodies, production, and freedom is something worth memorializing in statues celebrating the deaths of hundreds of thousands.

[Suppressed Poet]

So according to you, owning slaves and rising up in an armed rebellion over preserving your right to subject others to ownership of their bodies, production, and freedom is something worth memorializing in statues celebrating the deaths of hundreds of thousands.

libel

[beldannon5]

Enough about statues. When are we going to talk about the travesty of colorado taking Trump off the ballot for a supposed insurrection he wasn't even a part of. Also whoever heard of an insurrection with nothing really happeneing? that's besides the point of course.

[~Rocktar~]

Enough about statues. When are we going to talk about the travesty of colorado taking Trump off the ballot for a supposed insurrection he wasn't even a part of. Also whoever heard of an insurrection with nothing really happeneing? that's besides the point of course.

Just more election interference. It will get overturned.

[Parkbandit]

Enough about statues. When are we going to talk about the travesty of colorado taking Trump off the ballot for a supposed insurrection he wasn't even a part of. Also whoever heard of an insurrection with nothing really happeneing? that's besides the point of course.

He's just going to go up 5 more points in the polls.

Democrats are the party of desperation.

[Seran]

Enough about statues. When are we going to talk about the travesty of colorado taking Trump off the ballot for a supposed insurrection he wasn't even a part of. Also whoever heard of an insurrection with nothing really happeneing? that's besides the point of course.

He wasn't /in/ it as the Secret Service from going to Congress that day. Though that didn't stop him from being the one to organize the insurrection.

[beldannon5]

He wasn't /in/ it as the Secret Service from going to Congress that day. Though that didn't stop him from being the one to organize the insurrection.

just shows how delusional that you believe that. If it was anything it was a peacefull protest that like most antifa protest got a little violent. no one tried to take over the government though democrats and liberals try to say that happened.

[Seran]

Delusional like his being determined by multiple judges to have taken part in an insurrection?He's been disqualified on a ballot in one state and others will follow because guess what-- the fourteen amendment was written to prevent seditious leaders from taking power.

[beldannon5]

Delusional like his being determined by multiple judges to have taken part in an insurrection?He's been disqualified on a ballot in one state and others will follow because guess what-- the fourteen amendment was written to prevent seditious leaders from taking power.

Judges who have our best interests in heart I am sure. Money is king

[Parkbandit]

Delusional like his being determined by multiple judges to have taken part in an insurrection?He's been disqualified on a ballot in one state and others will follow because guess what-- the fourteen amendment was written to prevent seditious leaders from taking power.

You don't believe this will be overturned by SCOTUS?

Bro... please stop falling for the easy shit.

[Seran]

Judges who have our best interests in heart I am sure. Money is king

900,000 to an expert witness to claim Trump's fraudulent tax returns were not fraudulent and only 'omissions', yeah moneybags is king. Too bad the Judge ruled the witness had no credibility.

[Methais]

election interference

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dude I'd remove that statue for 2M and save this country a million dollars.

[Methais]

Dude I'd remove that statue for 2M and save this country a million dollars.

I'll do it for 1m.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'll do it for 1m.

Let's go halvies at 2M. I mean, don't want people to think we could do it THAT much better than the government. Removing a statue is serious business.

[Suppressed Poet]

2.5

I got one of those heavy duty rated Husky shovels from Home Depot that I can bring. I also have a pickup truck and know just enough Spanish to get the day-workers (also found at Home Depot) to do it for us for just a few hundred bucks. If they get out of line, we can threaten them with deportation since it’s against the law where I’m from.

[ClydeR]

Done.


As dawn broke at a frigid Arlington National Cemetery on Wednesday morning, workers using a crane and harnesses began to take down a controversial statue that had stood there for more than a century.

Hours earlier, a federal judge had ruled an effort to halt the removal of the towering Confederate Memorial had no merit, and the contractors hired by the cemetery moved quickly to get the statue down and into custom-built wooden crates.

More... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/12/20/confederate-statue-removal-arlington-cemetery/)

[Suppressed Poet]

Done.

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

And just like that, $3M gone in less than a day. That construction company specializing in removing of statues (Black owned of course for DEI purposes), got their "fair share".

[Solkern]

And just like that, $3M gone in less than a day. That construction company specializing in removing of statues (Black owned of course for DEI purposes), got their "fair share".

I could hire a group of guys outside of Home Depot for a couple hundred dollars and have it removed