Soldier sentenced to 6 months

[Nieninque]

Fair or not fair?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4557613.stm

[Parker]

This may be a bit idealistic, but I think that she got off easy. This is the willing abuse of a human being...regardless of what they've done, or what you THINK they've done, it's still wrong.

[Chadj]

She definately got off easy.

[HarmNone]

I'd have to agree she got off too easily.

[Sean of the Thread]

I'm surprised that is all she actually got. My friends still in the military were extremely pissed at these fuktarts for making the real soldiers look so bad.

[Skirmisher]

I think it was a fair sentance.

She was an idiot and easliy lead, but no way anyone with a reasonable understanding of what went on there could think she was an instigator of those activities.

Other stories offer some other points about her, saying how she was one of the more liked guards in the prison.(see link below)

I find it interesting how a seemingly disproportionate number of those being brought forward for show of punishment have been reservists and/or women.

Harman Apologizes for Abu Ghraib Abuse--AP-LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050517/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_harman_29)

[Parker]

Her idiocy doesn't account for the joy you see in that smile, in the first link.

[Leetahkin]

I think it was fair. The bad conduct discharge will bite her in her ass for a long time coming.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parker
Her idiocy doesn't account for the joy you see in that smile, in the first link.

Yeesh Parker....what happened to that youthful idealism and hopes for someone turning a new leaf?

Seems to come and go that.

[Sean of the Thread]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I think it was a fair sentance.

She was an idiot and easliy lead, but no way anyone with a reasonable understanding of what went on there could think she was an instigator of those activities.

Other stories offer some other points about her, saying how she was one of the more liked guards in the prison.(see link below)

I find it interesting how a seemingly disproportionate number of those being brought forward for show of punishment have been reservists and/or women.

Harman Apologizes for Abu Ghraib Abuse--AP-LINK (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050517/ap_on_re_us/prisoner_abuse_harman_29)

She was the more liked guard because the prisoners got off on her video taping them while masturbating.

Nothing disproportionate about it... they WERE reservists and women.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by Xyelin]

[Parker]

No, it hasn't, she can always change, but in this instance, it seems like she enjoyed that way too much, you know? She's smiling wide enough that her ears might split in half, that shows a bit of sick enjoyment, don'tcha think?
She might really be remorseful for what she did, and if she is, then she can change.
If you want to flame me, fine, but at least flame me on something you understand. My personality is not one of them, nor my values.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by Parker]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Parker
No, it hasn't, she can always change, but in this instance, it seems like she enjoyed that way too much, you know? She's smiling wide enough that her ears might split in half, that shows a bit of sick enjoyment, don'tcha think?
She might really be remorseful for what she did, and if she is, then she can change.
If you want to flame me, fine, but at least flame me on something you understand. My personality is not one of them, nor my values.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by Parker]

Boy, you could get all that from one photo?

You're good. Most people wouild want to talk to more people involved, or at least see video.

Not you though!

Truly gifted with insight beyond mere mortals are you.

[Parker]

Indeed.

Have you looked at the photo at all? She seemed to be enjoying herself quite a bit. It doesn't take a genius, or even my 'Insight beyond mortals' to see that.

[The Korean]

I'm going to post a photo of me holding a knife to someone's neck. From that, I guess everyone will assume that I'm a murderer. What everyone won't know though is that the blade is dull, and also plastic.

[Parker]

well that man is obviously bleeding, from the head. She seems pleased. What is it that you are seeing that I'm not? I've not voiced any opinions that outpace that information.

Until you have all gone there and endured the stress of the soldiers there then I doubt you are qualified to judge this soldier. I know I won't hold myself to such a lofty standard.

- Arkans

[DeV]

She looks kinda happy to be posing with that dead guy. Fucking SICK! I agree with NobodyCares though. The discharge will have negative effects for a while at least.

Edited to add that I don't think she got off too easy. Seems fitting, plus she wasn't the ring leader.

[Edited on 5-18-2005 by DeV]

[Parker]

I'm not judging her as a soldier, but as a person. I find it kinda twisted that she could appear to enjoy something like that so much.

[Skirmisher]

My point my young Parker is thet, there are those who do things because they are stupid and follow along when they shouldn't, and there are those who originate such ideas.

Tamral was saying how he wanted that kids family credit ruined and him to be beat up, and thats something you can overlook and find forgiveness for, but here where the only evidence of wrongdooing is that she was PRESENT at least soon after some abuse was inflicted and thats enough to lock her up and toss away the key for you as she is just evil.

Interesting.

Frankly, I don't believe that is your place at all. You havn't gone there nor have you experienced even an fraction of the mental stress the soldiers over there exerpienced. Unfortunately, those conditions cause people to do very uncharacteristic things.

- Arkans

[Parker]

My point my young Parker is thet, there are those who do things because they are stupid and follow along when they shouldn't, and there are those who originate such ideas.

Alright, I'll give you that as a point.

Tamral was saying how he WANTED that kids family credit ruined and him to be beat up, and thats something you can overlook and find forgiveness for.

Yes, what he says he WANTS and what he DOES are two different things.

We can't be arrested for what we want, look at the KKK and today's Neo-nazies, they want the extermination of whole races, but they still walk.

If, as I think was the case here, this girl had a hand in the ACTION of abusing this prisoner, then it would validate my point, wouldn't it?

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
Frankly, I don't believe that is your place at all. Her actions have been made public and people will judge her regardless of having never been in her place. She has noone to blame but herself.

Which is very unfortunate. This is why I truly dislike ivory tower judges.

- Arkans

The military says humiliation is torture. Because she partook, and knew of the acts going on she deserves a much harsher sentence.

[Parker]

Well, am I on an ivory tower, or just with everyone else? I've never abused someone like this, does that mean I have put myself on a higher pedestal than this person?

You put yourself there because you demand a harsher punishment without ever being in that situation.

- Arkans

[Parker]

I'm not in the situation, I can only give judgement based on what the (biased) media says. There's nothing wrong with that, is there?

[DeV]

Originally posted by Arkans
This is why I truly dislike ivory tower judges.

- Arkans Because it is so unlike you?

[Skirmisher]

Dave, I disagree.

I think she and many others there were used by the US govt because they were reservists and more easily duped.

I believe the orders allowing such torture came from much much higher than some gung ho reservists.

I think the military was more than willing to toss Former Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski on the fire as the lone high ranking sacrificial lamb becuase what the hell, she is just a female reservist and it takes the focus off looking for where the decision was really made.

[Parker]

Well, was she ORDERED to do these things, or encouraged? Moral standards should play a part, right?

I think there's a difference between the government ordering and encouraging it...both things are really shady, but if they ordered it, then it's warcrimes, isn't it?