Man Makers

[Suppressed Poet]

I’ve been putting on some extra pounds of softness around my mid-section, and a couple weeks ago I made a conscious decision to do something about that. I’ve been working out with a friend that is a physical trainer. Last night we did this P90X type of workout. The last bit were these “man maker” exercises with 10 pound weights. 3 sets of those each to the point of failure. Fuck that shit. I can barely walk today and feel like I got hit by a truck.

How much longer until I look like Arnold in Terminator 1?

[phantasm]

Your only hope is to die and be rebuilt as a robocop.

Honest answer, you will notice results in 3 months. Don't focus on the end, enjoy the process and the small victories.

[Bhaalizmo]

I’ve been putting on some extra pounds of softness around my mid-section, and a couple weeks ago I made a conscious decision to do something about that. I’ve been working out with a friend that is a physical trainer. Last night we did this P90X type of workout. The last bit were these “man maker” exercises with 10 pound weights. 3 sets of those each to the point of failure. Fuck that shit. I can barely walk today and feel like I got hit by a truck.

How much longer until I look like Arnold in Terminator 1?

Great job getting started, that's the hardest part.

Consistency is key with that kind of thing. Your best results will start showing up when you can say you haven't missed an intended workout day for a month or two.

[Suppressed Poet]

Gahdamn those double cheeseburgers & Big Gulps of soda have done a number on me. I’ve been alternating days of light cardio with days of strength training. I’ve lost a little weight and down to 219. Trying to get to 200 and 15% body fat by my birthday in 7 weeks. That would be decent fighting shape. I’ve been freaking out about turning 40 this year. If I’m going to be old and have a midlife crisis, I prefer to be in the best shape of my life.

[Suppressed Poet]

Also I’m taking natural testosterone booster (I think it’s ground up bull cock or something in those pills…don’t want to know but they sell them at Sam’s Club), multivitamin, amino acids, zinc, magnesium, fish oils, and creatine daily for supplements.

How does one acquire anabolic steroids and/or HgH? Do I ask my doctor or do you have to buy them from some Russian dude in a dark ally & hope for the best?

[Neveragain]

I’ve been freaking out about turning 40 this year.

Congrats, you're now at the age where your body reminds you of all the stupid shit you did as a teenager. Within 10 years you will have mastered "rolling" out of bed.

[Suppressed Poet]

Congrats, you're now at the age where your body reminds you of all the stupid shit you did as a teenager. Within 10 years you will have mastered "rolling" out of bed.

I did a LOT of stupid shit as a teenager. I always had this inclination I was going to die in my 20s like Kurt Cobain or Tupac. Now that I’ve made it this far, I kinda want to live long enough to meet my grandchildren.

[Bhaalizmo]

Also I’m taking natural testosterone booster (I think it’s ground up bull cock or something in those pills…don’t want to know but they sell them at Sam’s Club), multivitamin, amino acids, zinc, magnesium, fish oils, and creatine daily for supplements.

Fish oil sucks, but does do the job of delivering Omega3s. Check out flax seed oil as an alternative. Does the same stuff but no fish burps, plus you can take it as a pill instead of fish oil or just cook with that shit.

Sams club has these aussie bite grain muffin things here, that have flax seed in em, among other things. Reasonably healthy snack.

Speaking of fish, try to get some Salmon in once in awhile.

Read up on natural bodybuliding dietary stuff, there's a ton of things you can eat to promote test.

[Bhaalizmo]

Gahdamn those double cheeseburgers & Big Gulps of soda have done a number on me. I’ve been alternating days of light cardio with days of strength training. I’ve lost a little weight and down to 219. Trying to get to 200 and 15% body fat by my birthday in 7 weeks. That would be decent fighting shape. I’ve been freaking out about turning 40 this year. If I’m going to be old and have a midlife crisis, I prefer to be in the best shape of my life.

Your timeline seems a tad aggressive. I'd advise adjusting mindset to making this more of a lifestyle change than a "do this for X days to drop X pounds" event, and you'll probably hit that 200 goal by Nov if you are in fact able to get in the cardio 3- 5 days a week, regardless of strength training.

[Suppressed Poet]

Your timeline seems a tad aggressive. I'd advise adjusting mindset to making this more of a lifestyle change than a "do this for X days to drop X pounds" event, and you'll probably hit that 200 goal by Nov if you are in fact able to get in the cardio 3- 5 days a week, regardless of strength training.

Bro 1 year ago my wife was pregnant with twin boys. She looked like a beached whale. Since then, she lost A TON of weight. If she can do that, I can lose a measly 19 pounds in 7 weeks.

Seriously though, yeah I’m trying to make it lifestyle change. If I’m not quite there by that date I won’t get discouraged. Phase 2 though…go on a calorie surplus with mass gainer and go hard in the paint at the gym. I want to add 25 pounds of mostly more muscle, and then get shredded this Spring.

[Suppressed Poet]

With my physical training buddy, yesterday we worked out upper body but also did some 100 yard sprints. I’m still fast as fuck, but my endurance isn’t there. On the last one once I finished I fell to the floor to catch my breath & recover. It felt like someone punched me really hard in the liver. My weight this morning was 218.5 pounds.

[Methais]

Gahdamn those double cheeseburgers & Big Gulps of soda have done a number on me. I’ve been alternating days of light cardio with days of strength training. I’ve lost a little weight and down to 219. Trying to get to 200 and 15% body fat by my birthday in 7 weeks. That would be decent fighting shape. I’ve been freaking out about turning 40 this year. If I’m going to be old and have a midlife crisis, I prefer to be in the best shape of my life.

There are some Gemstone videos about parrying that seem like they would be good exercise.

Especially if you hunt in areas that swarm.

[Suppressed Poet]

There are some Gemstone videos about parrying that seem like they would be good exercise.

Especially if you hunt in areas that swarm.

Ahh parrying. That was a big deal to my sonic lancer bard. Sometimes I miss Gemstone. I just don’t have the time nor enjoy playing like I used to.

[Methais]

Ahh parrying. That was a big deal to my sonic lancer bard. Sometimes I miss Gemstone. I just don’t have the time nor enjoy playing like I used to.

No, you don't understand. But it will all make sense soon...












































...just as soon as someone posts the link because I can't find it. Dammit.

[Realk]

I looked and could not find it either damnit Jara and all his instruction videos.

[Methais]

I looked and could not find it either damnit Jara and all his instruction videos.

It's posted on here somewhere. I think. I can't remember the dude's name or anything. I just remember people thought it was Mogonis for a while.

[Realk]

his first name is Justin. but outside of the bike and the weird card board stuff I do not remember much.. That and and I think he's still in jail for threats to the President

[kutter]

Bro 1 year ago my wife was pregnant with twin boys. She looked like a beached whale. Since then, she lost A TON of weight. If she can do that, I can lose a measly 19 pounds in 7 weeks.

Seriously though, yeah I’m trying to make it lifestyle change. If I’m not quite there by that date I won’t get discouraged. Phase 2 though…go on a calorie surplus with mass gainer and go hard in the paint at the gym. I want to add 25 pounds of mostly more muscle, and then get shredded this Spring.

If your goal is to gain a lot of muscle, then I would not focus on cardio, but you will need to hit the gym hard and lift heavy, which is very good for you incidentally since it stimulates the body to produce all kinds of good things like testosterone. The risk at your age is injury, trust me on how I know this. So make sure you have a spotter or use a machine, not as good as free weights but a lot less prone to injury. I gave up on lifting heavy in my early 50's, now I just try and keep up with cardio so my brother does not lap me when we ride mountain bikes.

[Suppressed Poet]

his first name is Justin. but outside of the bike and the weird card board stuff I do not remember much.. That and and I think he's still in jail for threats to the President

I’ll take you guys on your word. Sounds like something born out of the PC for sure.

https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/metroidwiki/images/0/05/Justin_Bailey.png

[Suppressed Poet]

If your goal is to gain a lot of muscle, then I would not focus on cardio, but you will need to hit the gym hard and lift heavy, which is very good for you incidentally since it stimulates the body to produce all kinds of good things like testosterone. The risk at your age is injury, trust me on how I know this. So make sure you have a spotter or use a machine, not as good as free weights but a lot less prone to injury. I gave up on lifting heavy in my early 50's, now I just try and keep up with cardio so my brother does not lap me when we ride mountain bikes.

I’m in a precarious situation because I need to fix this dad bod and beer gut. I realize it’s not ideal to both lose fat and gain muscle at the same time, but that’s kinda sorta my approach until I get rid of these next 18 pounds. Hopefully I can at least keep the muscle mass I have while shredding that belly fat. Once I’m there, I’ll then do a clean bulk followed by a shred for next summer.

[Methais]

his first name is Justin. but outside of the bike and the weird card board stuff I do not remember much.. That and and I think he's still in jail for threats to the President

Justin Woodward I think.

Too bad the search tool here sucks balls, still couldn't find shit.




I’ll take you guys on your word. Sounds like something born out of the PC for sure.

https://cdn.wikimg.net/en/metroidwiki/images/0/05/Justin_Bailey.png

This is worth witnessing, just for the wtf if nothing else.

[Gelston]

You should do the bring sally up challenge.

You play Flower by Moby. When it says up, you go up, when it says down you go halfway down. You never touch the ground. And do that until the song is done. It is an ass kicker.

[Suppressed Poet]

214 now. 14 pounds left to go in 1 month. I may slightly miss that mark but I’m going to keep at it until I’m jacked at 200 pounds.

Also, how I feel the next day after a high intensity leg workout:

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[Suppressed Poet]

You should do the bring sally up challenge.

You play Flower by Moby. When it says up, you go up, when it says down you go halfway down. You never touch the ground. And do that until the song is done. It is an ass kicker.

That sounds brutal. I used to play a drinking game with that song “Roxane, you don’t have to put on the red light”. Choose either Roxane or red light and take a swig every time they say it in the song. Whichever you choose, you’re getting fucked up.

[Suppressed Poet]

213 now and less than a month to go to reach my goal of 200. At my current rate of weight loss I may not quite make it but will be close. I’m tired of feeling hungry, sore, and tired all the time.

Fuck leg day.

Dick to the dirt…who comes up with these exercise names??

[Solkern]

213 now and less than a month to go to reach my goal of 200. At my current rate of weight loss I may not quite make it but will be close. I’m tired of feeling hungry, sore, and tired all the time.

Fuck leg day.

Dick to the dirt…who comes up with these exercise names??

I’m impressed with your progress and dedication! I need to start working out to get slim down my fatass, but I can’t get myself motivated to actually start.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’m impressed with your progress and dedication! I need to start working out to get slim down my fatass, but I can’t get myself motivated to actually start.

It’s there when you are ready for it.

My motivation was the scale at my doctor reading 230 (with work clothes and shoes on). That is the highest I’ve ever been. Also my bloodwork coming back with cholesterol issues. I either make some changes with diet and exercise or I accept my fatness & take cholesterol medication. I’ve also got 8 month old twin boys. They need a strong father that is going to live long enough to see them become men. Guess it’s a combination of a lot of things really now that I think about it…

[Bhaalizmo]

213 now and less than a month to go to reach my goal of 200. At my current rate of weight loss I may not quite make it but will be close.

Fuck leg day.

Nice work, congrats on driving yourself to do it.

Fuck leg day indeed. It does give you a mighty feeling of accomplishment when it's done tho. I personally hope to still be squatting into my eighties.


Dick to the dirt…who comes up with these exercise names??

Sounds like some bullshit a boot camp drill sergeant would say.


I’m tired of feeling hungry, sore, and tired all the time.

Eventually, most learn to enjoy the soreness, and being tired enough to fall right asleep when you want to does have it's benefits. It becomes a comfort more than an offense, which certainly helps take the edge off.

Eventually when you're no longer forcing yourself to eat a caloric deficit for goals, you also won't need to be hungry. But yeah, it does suck in the meantime. Try more fibrous fillers, and anytime you're hungry put water in your face. Both will help you to not feel as hungry.

[Suppressed Poet]

Nice work, congrats on driving yourself to do it.

Fuck leg day indeed. It does give you a mighty feeling of accomplishment when it's done tho. I personally hope to still be squatting into my eighties.



Sounds like some bullshit a boot camp drill sergeant would say.



Eventually, most learn to enjoy the soreness, and being tired enough to fall right asleep when you want to does have it's benefits. It becomes a comfort more than an offense, which certainly helps take the edge off.

Eventually when you're no longer forcing yourself to eat a caloric deficit for goals, you also won't need to be hungry. But yeah, it does suck in the meantime. Try more fibrous fillers, and anytime you're hungry put water in your face. Both will help you to not feel as hungry.

Thanks. Good advice. Yeah I’m looking forward to a calorie maintenance phase once I hit my weight loss goal. I’m still going to continue healthy eating choices, but it will be nice to have larger portions & the occasional cheat meal.

Yesterday I did both yard work in the middle of the day (108 degrees here) and later worked out legs. This time we introduced more weight with squats, lunges, farmers walk, etc. I feel like Lieutenant Dan this morning.

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[phantasm]

I was eating 400 calories 3 meals a day to drop weight. I quickly figured out breakfast was the most important of those 3 meals. if I loaded up on protein and shit like oatmeal in the morning, it made the rest of the day a lot less "hungry".

[Solkern]

It’s there when you are ready for it.

My motivation was the scale at my doctor reading 230 (with work clothes and shoes on). That is the highest I’ve ever been. Also my bloodwork coming back with cholesterol issues. I either make some changes with diet and exercise or I accept my fatness & take cholesterol medication. I’ve also got 8 month old twin boys. They need a strong father that is going to live long enough to see them become men. Guess it’s a combination of a lot of things really now that I think about it…

I’m sitting at around 85kg, it’s funny, before Covid I was around 70kg, after Covid I gained 15kg and I don’t even know how, I didn’t change anything really. I guess it’s just old age.

[Suppressed Poet]

I was eating 400 calories 3 meals a day to drop weight. I quickly figured out breakfast was the most important of those 3 meals. if I loaded up on protein and shit like oatmeal in the morning, it made the rest of the day a lot less "hungry".

Facts. Breakfast is super important.

I aim for 2000 calories a day in this fat loss diet. I put my maintenance calories somewhere north of 3,000. I don’t want to lose a bunch of muscle mass in the process even if it takes me longer. I’ve kinda hit a wall though and my weight loss is slowing down, so I’ll probably cut another 300 for these final 12 pounds.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’m sitting at around 85kg, it’s funny, before Covid I was around 70kg, after Covid I gained 15kg and I don’t even know how, I didn’t change anything really. I guess it’s just old age.

I gained about 20 pounds since the start of Covid. My theory is my calories burned doing normal activity was reduced since we were forced to do less like physically going to work & such. I also developed bad eating habits. Instead of cooking healthy foods we did a lot of food delivery (Door Dash).

Also, I’m still on the imperial system and will never normalize the metric system. Fuck you world. This…is…MURICA!

[Suppressed Poet]

No sex for the missus tonight.

https://y.yarn.co/922216e5-4b0b-492a-ba3e-c8564e1d9b8e_text.gif

[Solkern]

I gained about 20 pounds since the start of Covid. My theory is my calories burned doing normal activity was reduced since we were forced to do less like physically going to work & such. I also developed bad eating habits. Instead of cooking healthy foods we did a lot of food delivery (Door Dash).

Also, I’m still on the imperial system and will never normalize the metric system. Fuck you world. This…is…MURICA!

Hahaha! Yeah I gained 33lbs and it drives me crazy. When I get back state side definitely going to find a personal trainer and get back in shape.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’ve hit a wall at 212 pounds.

I’ve been working out 4x a week. We get started around 7:45 PM after my infant boys are asleep and go until about 9:30 PM or so. We’re alternating upper body days A and lower body days B. We’re achieving progressive overload and training for hypertrophy. I’m roughly 6 weeks in. I’ve learned a lot. I’m making sure every rep is perfect form and the proper high intensity. I’m noticing mild visual changes in my body, but feel a lot stronger & in a better mood.

On my diet… I’m definitely getting fatigued. I’m only eating quality foods and getting my target of 200 grams of protein daily, but some days I’m not in a calorie deficit. 4x a week my dinners are chicken + green vegetables. The other 3 nights it’s a beef dish with at least one of those a steak. Breakfast I eat a protein bar on week days and I’ll do something like leftover steak / eggs / oatmeal on the weekends. I don’t take my lunch to work and that’s where I get in trouble. Usually I’m eating something like a Subway footlong or brown rice + protein from the local Chinese spot. At night before I go to bed I’ll eat healthy snacks like nuts or fruit (apples / berries / etc.) because I get hungry. Friday nights I cheat and get a double Whataburger with cheese. I only drink water, coffee, protein shakes, and my bcaa aminos.

Hopefully I’m both gaining muscle & losing fat, but the scale has been the same number for about a week now. My work pants do feel loose though, so that’s a good sign.

Edit: Daily nutrition supplements = men’s multivitamin, testosterone production booster, amino acids, magnesium, zinc, fish oil omega 3/6/9, 5mg creatine, bcaa powder mixed in water for workouts, protein shakes & Greek yougurt with protein to fill in gaps to reach daily 200 grams of protein.

[Stolis]

I’ve hit a wall at 212 pounds.

I’ve been working out 4x a week. We get started around 7:45 PM after my infant boys are asleep and go until about 9:30 PM or so. We’re alternating upper body days A and lower body days B. We’re achieving progressive overload and training for hypertrophy. I’m roughly 6 weeks in. I’ve learned a lot. I’m making sure every rep is perfect form and the proper high intensity. I’m noticing mild visual changes in my body, but feel a lot stronger & in a better mood.

On my diet… I’m definitely getting fatigued. I’m only eating quality foods and getting my target of 200 grams of protein daily, but some days I’m not in a calorie deficit. 4x a week my dinners are chicken + green vegetables. The other 3 nights it’s a beef dish with at least one of those a steak. Breakfast I eat a protein bar on week days and I’ll do something like leftover steak / eggs / oatmeal on the weekends. I don’t take my lunch to work and that’s where I get in trouble. Usually I’m eating something like a Subway footlong or brown rice + protein from the local Chinese spot. At night before I go to bed I’ll eat healthy snacks like nuts or fruit (apples / berries / etc.) because I get hungry. Friday nights I cheat and get a double Whataburger with cheese. I only drink water, coffee, protein shakes, and my bcaa aminos.

Hopefully I’m both gaining muscle & losing fat, but the scale has been the same number for about a week now. My work pants do feel loose though, so that’s a good sign.

Edit: Daily nutrition supplements = men’s multivitamin, testosterone production booster, amino acids, magnesium, zinc, fish oil omega 3/6/9, 5mg creatine, bcaa powder mixed in water for workouts, protein shakes & Greek yougurt with protein to fill in gaps to reach daily 200 grams of protein.

May want to check your macros if you track your food and make sure you're not spiking your fat intake on accident. I've had days where I've been short on my calorie intake so I didn't think much about it. I look at the macros at the end of the night, and my fat intake was 12% higher than my goal. Fucking stupid food. Even good fats can backfire sometimes.

[Suppressed Poet]

May want to check your macros if you track your food and make sure you're not spiking your fat intake on accident. I've had days where I've been short on my calorie intake so I didn't think much about it. I look at the macros at the end of the night, and my fat intake was 12% higher than my goal. Fucking stupid food. Even good fats can backfire sometimes.

Yeah, I’ve been lax on tracking every detail of calories and macros (except protein which I just find myself doing naturally). I guess I just need to be more serious about it. Pretty sure the biggest culprit is the late night snacking before bed. Fruits, nuts, salami, etc. add up. I just find myself getting really hungry just before bed and can’t sleep on an empty stomach.

Edit: Also for the last couple weeks, I’ve been having intense cravings for CiCi’s all you can eat pizza buffet. I don’t really know why as it’s not that good, but damn does that sound like paradise to me right now. I’d orally fuck hard some cheesy bread, alfredo pizza, and cinnamon rolls…

[Suppressed Poet]

210 pounds this morning!

Significant development: We (wife and I) booked a trip to Vegas and will be there in 2 weeks. Getting white-girl level blackout drunk & high on the strip seems like an appropriate way to celebrate my 40th birthday. Vegas is going to set me back a little on my fitness journey as I’ll be gorging myself with buffets, fancy steak dinners, gummies, and lots of alcohol. Do I just stop eating all together until then so I look shredded for those pool photos?

[Gelston]

Did multiple farmer's walks with two 75s today, probably a total of about 300 yards. Basically until my grip was fucking gone.

Fucking suuuuuucked. Can't wait to do more.

[Suppressed Poet]

Did multiple farmer's walks with two 75s today, probably a total of about 300 yards. Basically until my grip was fucking gone.

Fucking suuuuuucked. Can't wait to do more.

Hell yeah! I’m doing farmer’s walk too with laps around my pool (has steps in 2 places) and up to now 60 pound on the dumbbells (so 63 each with the bar and hex nuts). Also been working with 8 pound ankle weights. It does fucking suck & my grip is what gives out at failure. It makes me sore all over but I feel like those work my hands more than anything.

[Suppressed Poet]

I fucked up.

My wife made chocolate chip cookies for the kids. I ate like 6 of those last night.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’ve been strictly adhering to my training regiment, but less so on my diet. I’m still eating healthy foods and reaching my protein macros, but increased my carbs & calories. Being in a calorie deficit with few carbs was making my workouts suck. I’d also be tired all day and have trouble focusing at work. I’m at 210 pounds (still down roughly 20 pounds from where I started) but have noticeably gained muscle and lost fat.

Up until this point I’ve been doing backyard prison style workouts with dumbbells, barbell, a simple weight bench, resistance bands, etc. I just signed up at LA Fitness where my buddy is a member and going for the second time tonight. The machines are a nice modern convenience and access to all their equipment should help us get further. Tonight is leg day…ughh…

My new modified goal is to keep main-gaining for several weeks until I plateau. This fall & winter I’ll do a clean bulk cycle followed by a cut starting in February. I don’t have yet any plans for Spring Break in 2024, but I want to look like a Greek god whenever I go to that foam party that I missed out on in my 20s.

[Suppressed Poet]

I fell off the wagon. My workout buddy and my schedule no longer align and I got lazy with my diet once again.

This time I’m going solo with a good music playlist. Today I started watching my calories & I’m back on a high protein diet. I worked out, and it sucked. After 3 sets of 7 man-makers with 25 pound dumbbells, I feel the weakness leaving my body (aka pain). Holidays are a rough time to go back on a diet. I must remain vigilant and not gorge myself this week.

[Guister]

i like banana fudge in my ass crack

[Suppressed Poet]

i like banana fudge in my ass crack

Those “girls” you are seeking to cyber with in Gemstone will appreciate the preparation you made to make their work a little easier.

[Guister]

Ass crack and cracker fudge goes well with pig shit and vomit. Oh yeah, your mom is an ugly whore.

[Suppressed Poet]

Ass crack and cracker fudge goes well with pig shit and vomit.
Yeah, I don’t do that gay nasty shit.


Oh yeah, your mom is an ugly whore.
You’re just saying that be because your broke ass can’t afford her.

[Guister]

Yeah, I don’t do that gay nasty shit.


You’re just saying that be because your broke ass can’t afford her.

Listen ya little shit. I wouldn't touch your mom with a fuckin christmas tree poll, which your dad could never afford. I would, however, shove it so far up her ass her grandkids, you little puky bratty children, would feel it in their rectum decades letter when banana fudge T man fucks your daughter's sister in the cunt and loads her anus with a fiery squad of jizz.

[Suppressed Poet]

Listen ya little shit. I wouldn't touch your mom with a fuckin christmas tree poll, which your dad could never afford. I would, however, shove it so far up her ass her grandkids, you little puky bratty children, would feel it in their rectum decades letter when banana fudge T man fucks your daughter's sister in the cunt and loads her anus with a fiery squad of jizz.

Cool story, tough guy.

[Guister]

Fuck you, faggot.

[Suppressed Poet]

Fuck you, faggot.

Right on, tough guy. Have a wonderful Thanksgiving.

[Stanley Burrell]

Oh yeah.

[Stanley Burrell]

Not to sound like the Kool-Aid man. ^ Just an affirmation, sorry.

[Bhaalizmo]

Not to sound like the Kool-Aid man. ^ Just an affirmation, sorry.

Kinda hard to un-hear it that way now that you brought it to my attention.