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Suppressed Poet
04-27-2023, 08:25 PM
This passed. We’re not waiting for federal funding to protect our kids. I don’t think it’s the answer to all problems related to school shootings, but it’s a solid step in the right direction.

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/texas/news/texas-bill-proposes-up-to-25k-for-armed-school-sentinels/


Texas schools could offer stipends of up to $25,000 to staff members who add the role of armed campus "sentinels" to their regular duties under a proposal advanced Tuesday by state lawmakers in response to the Uvalde classroom attack last year.

With U.S. mass shootings on a record pace so far in 2023, there have been new calls among some lawmakers for more armed personnel in schools. Also on Tuesday, U.S. Sen. Rick Scott of Florida proposed an $80 million federal program to fund armed officers in all U.S. schools.

Texas already lets teachers carry guns under a voluntary program that requires firearm lessons but has drawn relatively few takers. Under the new proposal, armed personnel must also train in identifying students with mental health issues.

"What I want to pay them for is hopefully getting the training needed to spot the children before we have a problem," said Republican state Rep. Ken King, who authored the bill.

The legislation, which overwhelmingly passed the Texas House with bipartisan support, now goes to the Senate where its prospects are uncertain. Texas lawmakers have only a few weeks left to pass any school safety measures before adjourning on May 29.

That is just a few days after the anniversary of the Robb Elementary School shooting in Uvalde, where a gunman killed 19 children and two teachers. Some of the families have spent months pleading for tougher gun laws — in particular one that would raise the age to purchase semi-automatic rifles — but GOP leaders have made clear they do not support new restrictions.

Under the Texas bill, teachers and staff of public and open-enrollment charter schools would be eligible to earn up to $25,000 extra for opting to be armed for campus security. They would also need to take courses in first aid, firearms training and mental health training, which would be added to the mental health training Texas lawmakers want to require for all school employees.

Other new school safety measures advancing in Texas would require at least one armed person — ranging from a police officer to a school staff member — on all public school campuses. A bill requiring silent panic buttons in classrooms is now headed to Republican Gov. Greg Abbott for his signature.

Texas state Rep. James Talarico, a Democrat and former teacher who voted against Tuesday's proposal, said he worried the bill would create an incentive for teachers struggling financially to start carrying weapons.

"Even teachers who don't want to carry guns may feel like they are financially pressured to do so just so they can provide for their families," Talarico said.

After the Sandy Hook Elementary shooting in 2012, Texas created a voluntary school marshal program in which applicants must first be approved by their school districts, pass a psychological exam and receive 80 hours of training, including in live-shooter scenarios.

In its first four years, the program certified just 33 school marshals across the state, which has about 9,000 campuses. By summer 2022, shortly after Uvalde, there were still fewer than 400.

Tgo01
04-27-2023, 09:24 PM
Democrats would rather innocent children continued to be slaughtered by trans terrorists so they can push for more gun control.

Suppressed Poet
04-28-2023, 09:57 AM
Democrats would rather innocent children continued to be slaughtered by trans terrorists so they can push for more gun control.

I believe there are two types of people advocating for gun control.

The overwhelming majority in this group are just ignorant about firearms and legitimately want to do something to prevent mass shootings & violence. These people can be educated and/or reasoned with.

There is a much smaller minority in positions of power & government with nefarious intent. These people seek to eliminate civil liberties so they can control the population & enforce their will on the masses. It’s not just the 2nd Amendment they wish to eliminate either. They fear an armed population. I consider this group of people enemies of the state.

Solkern
04-28-2023, 10:14 AM
I believe there are two types of people advocating for gun control.

The overwhelming majority in this group are just ignorant about firearms and legitimately want to do something to prevent mass shootings & violence. These people can be educated and/or reasoned with.

There is a much smaller minority in positions of power & government with nefarious intent. These people seek to eliminate civil liberties so they can control the population & enforce their will on the masses. It’s not just the 2nd Amendment they wish to eliminate either. They fear an armed population. I consider this group of people enemies of the state.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/security-measures-uvalde-school-district-place/story?id=84966706

Uvalde had armed security, and they didn’t stop shit.

Suppressed Poet
04-28-2023, 10:35 AM
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/security-measures-uvalde-school-district-place/story?id=84966706

Uvalde had armed security, and they didn’t stop shit.

Yep. They didn’t do their job, and the police response was atrocious in Uvalde. I think the conversation we should be having is how extensive & what should be included in training for these incidents.

As I previously stated, I don’t think this is the only answer that will prevent or stop all of them but it’s a step in the right direction.

Solkern
04-28-2023, 10:45 AM
it’s a step in the right direction.

Uvalde already had a pretty intense security protocol, I don’t think $25k would have really changed much. But I guess yeah, it’s a step in the right direction.

Suppressed Poet
04-28-2023, 10:57 AM
Uvalde already had a pretty intense security protocol, I don’t think $25k would have really changed much. But I guess yeah, it’s a step in the right direction.

I want the response to these murdering bastards to be much more like Nashville or better/quicker. That’s what this is trying to address here.

Solkern
04-28-2023, 11:02 AM
I want the response to these murdering bastards to be much more like Nashville or better/quicker. That’s what this is trying to address here.

And what happens if that response was the outlier?

Suppa Hobbit Mage
04-28-2023, 11:10 AM
And what happens if that response was the outlier?

Then your politicians should stop trying to defund the police.

Methais
04-28-2023, 03:32 PM
And what happens if that response was the outlier?

Oh ok. Let's just scrap the whole thing then, just on the off chance that they freeze up like the dumb cunts in Uvalde did, right?

Gelston
04-28-2023, 04:45 PM
They'd definitely need training. And responding to an active shooter is way different then just shooting on a range. The noise, screaming, blood and bodies, smoke, your own adrenaline up.

Suppressed Poet
04-28-2023, 05:18 PM
They'd definitely need training. And responding to an active shooter is way different then just shooting on a range. The noise, screaming, blood and bodies, smoke, your own adrenaline up.

I’ve taken a few pistol & carbine training classes, but I’ve always wanted to do a force on force training exercise with simunition rounds. Simunition rounds hurt like a mofo and it would need to be in administered controlled safe environment. It’s still not the same as being in a real gunfight, but might be a good training tool for responding to an active shooter situation.

Gelston
05-02-2023, 10:49 AM
I’ve taken a few pistol & carbine training classes, but I’ve always wanted to do a force on force training exercise with simunition rounds. Simunition rounds hurt like a mofo and it would need to be in administered controlled safe environment. It’s still not the same as being in a real gunfight, but might be a good training tool for responding to an active shooter situation.

I've done a bunch of scenarios, even sim rounds get your blood up a bit. When you have good actors and pyrotechnics and effects and shit, it goes a long way.

You still know in your head that it is all fake though. Better than no training though.

Shaps
05-02-2023, 11:20 AM
I've done a bunch of scenarios, even sim rounds get your blood up a bit. When you have good actors and pyrotechnics and effects and shit, it goes a long way.

You still know in your head that it is all fake though. Better than no training though.

Agree with Gelston on that... I helped support some things over the years, and most scared I ever got, was the first time doing a live shoot house... my fucking ass was puckered tight on that one. Thankfully only ever had to do 2 of them over the years. But it was the best training I ever did recieve... but those dudes doing it day in and day out are on another level of focus.

Methais
05-02-2023, 11:26 AM
Agree with Gelston on that... I helped support some things over the years, and most scared I ever got, was the first time doing a live shoot house... my fucking ass was puckered tight on that one. Thankfully only ever had to do 2 of them over the years. But it was the best training I ever did recieve... but those dudes doing it day in and day out are on another level of focus.

I used to play Counter-Strike in VR (https://youtu.be/Ky_EcF4TKO4) (Pavlov) a lot.

As you've probably already figured out, I am a seasoned combat veteran now.




https://youtu.be/Ky_EcF4TKO4

Suppressed Poet
05-02-2023, 01:37 PM
I used to play Counter-Strike in VR (https://youtu.be/Ky_EcF4TKO4) (Pavlov) a lot.

As you've probably already figured out, I am a seasoned combat veteran now.






https://youtu.be/Iz7k2THJnLE

That’s essentially the same way they are training new recruits into the police academy these days. We have finally reached the application of VR technology predicted in the 1992 sci-fi film The Lawnmower Man.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
05-02-2023, 03:46 PM
we just need these in every school...
https://p.turbosquid.com/ts-thumb/Qi/wNNlG6/1pG3Mcz4/ed05_pnga990ce129c694d9fafd880204abffc69large/jpg/1314732349/600x600/fit_q87/44b8bca9dbb5193d07b3a831adb99531f5d4867c/ed05_pnga990ce129c694d9fafd880204abffc69large.jpg

Suppressed Poet
05-02-2023, 04:02 PM
we just need these in every school...
https://p.turbosquid.com/ts-thumb/Qi/wNNlG6/1pG3Mcz4/ed05_pnga990ce129c694d9fafd880204abffc69large/jpg/1314732349/600x600/fit_q87/44b8bca9dbb5193d07b3a831adb99531f5d4867c/ed05_pnga990ce129c694d9fafd880204abffc69large.jpg

Ehh…I think it’s a bad idea. The ED-209 has faulty logic circuits and it’s too easy for the local school bully to manually override. We can look at cyborg RoboCops, but the OCP is known to cut corners and our schools might end up with a bunch of Nuke addicts.

Methais
05-02-2023, 04:19 PM
Ehh…I think it’s a bad idea. The ED-209 has faulty logic circuits and it’s too easy for the local school bully to manually override. We can look at cyborg RoboCops, but the OCP is known to cut corners and our schools might end up with a bunch of Nuke addicts.

At least one person will get shot in the dick too.