Houses passes debt ceiling bill

[Suppressed Poet]

How willing are Democrats to compromise on spending now that it’s clear they no longer have a blank check from Congress? We’ll soon get to find out.


https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mccarthys-debt-ceiling-bill-tests-unity-us-house-republicans-2023-04-26/


WASHINGTON, April 26 (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives on Wednesday narrowly passed a bill to raise the nation's $31.4 trillion debt ceiling, defying President Joe Biden by attaching sweeping spending cuts for the next decade.

With this mostly partisan 217-215 vote, Republican House Speaker Kevin McCarthy hopes to lure Biden into negotiations on cutting spending, even as he and his fellow Democrats in Congress insist on a debt limit increase with no strings attached.

"The minute we pass a bill, it changes that entire dynamic, and it puts actual pressure on the Senate to do their job. And if they say they're not going to pass our bill, then which bill are they going to pass?" House Majority Leader Steve Scalise said in a telephone interview before the vote. "The idea that they just sit back and do nothing is not acceptable."

Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer disagreed, telling reporters the House bill is "dead on arrival." He said the Republican legislation "only brings us dangerously closer" to an historic U.S. debt default that would shake markets and economies worldwide.

Throughout debate on the bill, Republicans cast Democrats as free-wheeling spenders of taxpayer money, which they say has pushed the national debt into a danger zone.

Democrats, meanwhile, bemoaned the deep spending cuts the measure would bring on programs including healthcare for the poor, Head Start education for pre-schoolers and an array of other programs including law enforcement and airport security operations.

It was unclear when either side would take a step toward the other, even as the potential for a devastating debt default could be just weeks away, according to government estimates.

McCarthy struggled for months to find just the right balance in the bill to get enough of his 222 far-right and more moderate Republican members on board.

Early on Wednesday morning, McCarthy had to give in to some of his members' demands to keep the legislation alive.

He assuaged concerns of Midwestern Republicans about biofuel tax credits and addressed hardliners' calls to toughen work requirements for some federal programs aiding low-income Americans.

Republican critics including hardline House Freedom Caucus Chairman Scott Perry and Representative Nancy Mace said they had dropped their opposition to the bill. Several holdouts from the Midwest also said they were ready to move forward, pending a last-minute review of the newly crafted legislation.

BIOFUELS CHANGES

The overnight changes removed a provision that would have ended a tax credit for biofuels that was part of Biden's climate change initiatives in the 2022 Inflation Reduction Act.

Bending to the far-right wing of the party, Republicans also accelerated some new, tougher work requirements for receiving Medicaid healthcare benefits for the poor.

The latter change further enraged Democrats

"The new plan is even more draconian ... even more mean. Kicking poor people off of healthcare wasn't enough. They now want to do it faster," said Representative Jim McGovern, the senior Democrat on the House Rules Committee.

The bill would increase Washington's borrowing authority by $1.5 trillion or until March 31, whichever comes first. The bill would pare spending to 2022 levels and then cap growth at 1% a year, repeal some tax incentives for renewable energy and stiffen work requirements for some antipoverty programs.

The stakes are high: A long 2011 debt-ceiling standoff led to a downgrade of the U.S. government's credit rating, which pushed borrowing costs higher, and Wall Street is already flashing warning signs.

The White House has called on Congress to raise the debt limit without conditions, as it did three times under Biden's Republican predecessor, Donald Trump.

Lawmakers do not know precisely how much time they have left to act. The "x-date" when the Treasury Department would no longer be able to pay all its bills could come as early as June or stretch later into summer.

Democrats also argue that the proposed tradeoff of 10 years of spending cuts is unreasonable for an increase in the debt ceiling that would trigger another potentially painful round of negotiations early next year, just as the presidential campaign heats up.

[Seran]

How willing are Democrats to compromise on spending now that it’s clear they no longer have a blank check from Congress? We’ll soon get to find out.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/mccarthys-debt-ceiling-bill-tests-unity-us-house-republicans-2023-04-26/

It's dead on arrival in the Senate, so no consideration to give. A Democrat President, nor Democrat Senate will sign off on any bill restricting just passed legislation, burden the government with ten year spending caps, claw back funding of the IRS or Inflation Reduction Act, or allow any restrictions on executive powers. Not even worth considering.

[Seran]

The fact his own caucus didn't have unanimous support says enough. 217-215? What a laugh.

[Suppressed Poet]

It's dead on arrival in the Senate, so no consideration to give. A Democrat President, nor Democrat Senate will sign off on any bill restricting just passed legislation, burden the government with ten year spending caps, claw back funding of the IRS or Inflation Reduction Act, or allow any restrictions on executive powers. Not even worth considering.

If they don’t consider it or make any attempts to negotiate, Democrats will be responsible for defaulting this summer. Your precious federal government will simply run out of money. Then what?

[Suppressed Poet]

The fact his own caucus didn't have unanimous support says enough. 217-215? What a laugh.

There are some hard liner Republicans that will never vote in favor of raising the debt ceiling (which I think is stupid if that matters).

It passed. Cope harder and get ready to work to earn those federal aide benefits you receive.

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[Seran]

If they don’t consider it or make any attempts to negotiate, Democrats will be responsible for defaulting this summer. Your precious federal government will simply run out of money. Then what?

Then the government defaults, because Republicans wanted massive program cuts they won't actually detail because they're hoping to blame the President for what they're trying to force. Let me tell you, if the Government defaults, it'll destroy the wealthy first, essential programs will be paid by ongoing revenue. Personally, after Newt Gingrich tried and failed the same tactic, he lost his speakership and I guarantee McCarthy will follow the identical path.

[Suppressed Poet]

Then the government defaults, because Republicans wanted massive program cuts they won't actually detail because they're hoping to blame the President for what they're trying to force. Let me tell you, if the Government defaults, it'll destroy the wealthy first, essential programs will be paid by ongoing revenue. Personally, after Newt Gingrich tried and failed the same tactic, he lost his speakership and I guarantee McCarthy will follow the identical path.

Back in 2011 I was critical with what the Freedom Caucus did. I felt it was the Republicans that were for the most part being unreasonable.

This time though, if we don’t get the completely out of control federal deficit spending in check now there will be devastating consequences to our country in a short amount of time. It will be this administration’s fault if they are unable to compromise and reach across the aisle. What happened to all that Biden talk about unity?

I’ve prepared best I can be for a default if that’s the hill the Democratic Party chooses to die on. Have you?

[Solkern]

If they don’t consider it or make any attempts to negotiate, Democrats will be responsible for defaulting this summer. Your precious federal government will simply run out of money. Then what?

I disagree, passing a bill you know the other side won’t agree to, makes you just as guilty.
Imagine the senate crafted one and sent it to the house, could the democrats say, well if the republicans don’t agree, it’s their fault! Doesn’t work like that. Both parties will be at fault.

[Shaps]

I disagree, passing a bill you know the other side won’t agree to, makes you just as guilty.
Imagine the senate crafted one and sent it to the house, could the democrats say, will if the republicans don’t agree, it’s their fault! Doesn’t work like that. Both parties will be at fault.

You're thinking logically... the media and the Left do not.

They just "say" things to always make it the Rights fault, no matter what... you not figured that out yet?

[Solkern]

You're thinking logically... the media and the Left do not.

They just "say" things to always make it the Rights fault, no matter what... you not figured that out yet?

And the right does it to the left, so what exact point are you trying to make?

I love how you imply only the “left” does it. Both parties do it all the time to each other.

[Shaps]

And the right does it to the left, so what exact point are you trying to make?

I love how you imply only the “left” does it. Both parties do it all the time to each other.

Because the "Left" controls the media and social media companies... You can say the truth, and it will not be acknowledged, just denigrated... You can have an opposite opinion, and you will be labeled racist/misogynist/whateverist... You can express your ideas, and you will be cancelled, demonetized, or demonized...

There is a difference.

[Solkern]

Because the "Left" controls the media and social media companies... You can say the truth, and it will not be acknowledged, just denigrated... You can have an opposite opinion, and you will be labeled racist/misogynist/whateverist... You can express your ideas, and you will be cancelled, demonetized, or demonized...

There is a difference.

Didn’t know fox was controlled by the left, the highest rated news channel in the states.

I guess you learn something new everyday!

And just because liberals have the bigger voice on the social media, it means they control social media? Lol?
Next, almost all big tech industry leaders are conservative, their employees just happen to be more liberals, you do know this right?

I blame the liberals for making social media successful! You should blame the right for not having a louder voice and a bigger following.

Finally this has nothing to do with social media or the news media.
The left always blames the right, and the right always blames the left. How much “news media” one gets or how much one side screams it on “social media” doesn’t change this fact.

[Suppressed Poet]

I disagree, passing a bill you know the other side won’t agree to, makes you just as guilty.
Imagine the senate crafted one and sent it to the house, could the democrats say, well if the republicans don’t agree, it’s their fault! Doesn’t work like that. Both parties will be at fault.

This bill won’t be accepted as it is, and I don’t think anyone really expects that. It’s a negotiation tool to come to a compromise. Biden wants a debt ceiling raise with no budget cuts. The Republican led House wants some steep budget cuts. I do hope Congress can work it out and meet in the middle. If Democrats are unwilling to accept that elections have consequences & work with the other side, we will default on our debts by the end of this summer.

[Solkern]

This bill won’t be accepted as it is, and I don’t think anyone really expects that. It’s a negotiation tool to come to a compromise. Biden wants a debt ceiling raise with no budget cuts. The Republican led House wants some steep budget cuts. I do hope Congress can work it out and meet in the middle. If Democrats are unwilling to accept that elections have consequences & work with the other side, we will default on our debts by the end of this summer.

Exactly, I actually misread your post, my bad, thanks for clearing it up.
Both sides need to negotiate in good faith, it’s sad that we have some of both sides that are incapable of doing that.

[Parkbandit]

The fact his own caucus didn't have unanimous support says enough. 217-215? What a laugh.

Do you know which Republicans voted against the measure?

Do you know why those 4 Republicans voted against the measure?

SPOILER: They didn't vote against it for the same reasons the Democrats did.

[Parkbandit]

I disagree, passing a bill you know the other side won’t agree to, makes you just as guilty.
Imagine the senate crafted one and sent it to the house, could the democrats say, well if the republicans don’t agree, it’s their fault! Doesn’t work like that. Both parties will be at fault.

That's how these things are negotiated out.

[Parkbandit]

Didn’t know fox was controlled by the left, the highest rated news channel in the states.


Make a list of Right leaning media and then make a list of left leaning media in the US.

When you put a dozen maybe on the Right.. and you have HUNDREDS on the left.. it should become clear to you.

Well, it would be clear to a normal person... but a normal person wouldn't have made this argument in the first place.

[Seran]

This bill won’t be accepted as it is, and I don’t think anyone really expects that. It’s a negotiation tool to come to a compromise. Biden wants a debt ceiling raise with no budget cuts. The Republican led House wants some steep budget cuts. I do hope Congress can work it out and meet in the middle. If Democrats are unwilling to accept that elections have consequences & work with the other side, we will default on our debts by the end of this summer.

LOL, the Republicans who have a razor thin minority in the House think they've got the standing to enforce a zero sum negotiation position. They don't.

[Solkern]

Make a list of Right leaning media and then make a list of left leaning media in the US.

When you put a dozen maybe on the Right.. and you have HUNDREDS on the left.. it should become clear to you.

Well, it would be clear to a normal person... but a normal person wouldn't have made this argument in the first place.

And that’s the left fault? The right has the ability to make more news channels, don’t they? Or let me guess the left is suppressing their ability to make cable news channels right?

The left can have thousands and thousands of channels, and the right could have one, and guess what? That single right news channels still has the possibility of being watched by more people than all the ones on the left combined. Fox News blows away like the top 4 left wing news media combined or some shit.

The quantity of places to watch something means little. People always gravitate to the news source that best fits there ideological thinking.

[Suppressed Poet]

LOL, the Republicans who have a razor thin minority in the House think they've got the standing to enforce a zero sum negotiation position. They don't.

I believe you meant to say majority, dumbass. That’s all that they need to have leverage. Democrats no longer have absolute power over Congress. They can either be reasonable, or fuck around & find out.

[Parkbandit]

And that’s the left fault? The right has the ability to make more news channels, don’t they? Or let me guess the left is suppressing their ability to make cable news channels right?

The only fault I was pointing out was your retarded argument.


The left can have thousands and thousands of channels, and the right could have one, and guess what? That single right news channels still has the possibility of being watched by more people than all the ones on the left combined. Fox News blows away like the top 4 left wing news media combined or some shit.

I thought Asians were good at math?

The left could have thousands of channels, but Fox beats the top 4.. so in your head, it's even?

Let's look at the top 4 networks for 2022:

1) NBC: 5.15 million viewers
2) CBS: 5.14 million viewers
3) ABC: 3.87 million viewers
4) Fox: 3.23 million viewers
5) Fox News: 2.37 million viewers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/530119/tv-networks-viewers-usa/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20NBC%20was%20the,people%20w atchig%20the%20TV%20channel.


The quantity of places to watch something means little. People always gravitate to the news source that best fits there ideological thinking.

https://media.tenor.com/BzdybKbJj7gAAAAd/moving-goalpost.gif

[Seran]

I believe you meant to say majority, dumbass. That’s all that they need to have leverage. Democrats no longer have absolute power over Congress. They can either be reasonable, or fuck around & find out.

Actually no, between only holding the House, they're up against another branch of Congress controlled by Democrats and a Democrat President and so they're outnumbered two to one in the legislative process of budget reconciliation. Their zero sum game will be lost, because Republicans have done it before and failed. Only their biggest supports lose out if the government defaults. Plus the Democrats need only point out that the debt is the sole result of Republican initiated wars and Republican tax cuts reinforcing massive deficits.

[Seran]

The only fault I was pointing out was your retarded argument.



I thought Asians were good at math?

The left could have thousands of channels, but Fox beats the top 4.. so in your head, it's even?

Let's look at the top 4 networks for 2022:

1) NBC: 5.15 million viewers
2) CBS: 5.14 million viewers
3) ABC: 3.87 million viewers
4) Fox: 3.23 million viewers
5) Fox News: 2.37 million viewers

https://www.statista.com/statistics/530119/tv-networks-viewers-usa/#:~:text=In%202022%2C%20NBC%20was%20the,people%20w atchig%20the%20TV%20channel.



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Fox News is the only channel of substance catering to a fading demographic of old, autocratic traditionalists. The majority of the nation is moderate to liberal and chooses to get their news elsewhere. Stop crying about the death by obsolescence of the Republican party as if it's anyone else's fault but their own.

[Solkern]

Fox News is the only channel of substance catering to a fading demographic of old, autocratic traditionalists. The majority of the nation is moderate to liberal and chooses to get their news elsewhere. Stop crying about the death by obsolescence of the Republican party as if it's anyone else's fault but their own.

What I love is how he tries to spin it, the most news media, to the most watched tv channels.

Leading cable news networks in the United States in February 2023, by number of primetime viewers (in thousands)



Characteristic Primetime Aged 25-54
Fox News 2,262 299
MSNBC 1,165 119
CNN 587 122

https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/

Fox News media blows away all the left’s news media.

[Suppressed Poet]

Actually no, between only holding the House, they're up against another branch of Congress controlled by Democrats and a Democrat President and so they're outnumbered two to one in the legislative process of budget reconciliation. Their zero sum game will be lost, because Republicans have done it before and failed. Only their biggest supports lose out if the government defaults. Plus the Democrats need only point out that the debt is the sole result of Republican initiated wars and Republican tax cuts reinforcing massive deficits.

It’s humorous to me that you believe that it’s only the Republican Party that has wealthy individual supporters & corporations to answer to.

Oh you mean all those wars that Biden has publicly supported for nearly 50 years as a politician? Prepare yourself for the real deal inflation reduction act when federal spending gets cut. The American people are fed up with the current administration’s disastrous budget & economic policies.

[Seran]

It’s humorous to me that you believe that it’s only the Republican Party that has wealthy individual supporters & corporations to answer to.

Oh you mean all those wars that Biden has publicly supported for nearly 50 years as a politician? Prepare yourself for the real deal inflation reduction act when federal spending gets cut. The American people are fed up with the current administration’s disastrous budget & economic policies.

Did the 'Red Wave' which gave the Democrats an additional seat in the Senate, severance more governorships and a only a narrow majority to the Republicans reflect just his 'fed up' Americans are? I think it's the reverse. Republicans have had such a disastrous time at leadership, Trump's elections lies and crimes, and their fair culture war that they couldn't even get a moderate turnout at the midterms.

McCarthy may think that he's got the sole authority to start negotiations by offering no budget and only demands for mandatory cuts and policy reversals, but he doesn't. The President has basically already told him to go back to bed.

[Suppressed Poet]

The President has basically already told him to go back to bed.

https://media.tenor.com/H_1R1_hqPmQAAAAC/evil-laugh-terry-silver.gif

[Neveragain]

Did the 'Red Wave' which gave the Democrats an additional seat in the Senate, severance more governorships and a only a narrow majority to the Republicans reflect just his 'fed up' Americans are? I think it's the reverse. Republicans have had such a disastrous time at leadership, Trump's elections lies and crimes, and their fair culture war that they couldn't even get a moderate turnout at the midterms.

McCarthy may think that he's got the sole authority to start negotiations by offering no budget and only demands for mandatory cuts and policy reversals, but he doesn't. The President has basically already told him to go back to bed.

It's funny how mad you are about losing the purse strings.

[Wrathbringer]

It’s humorous to me that you believe that it’s only the Republican Party that has wealthy individual supporters & corporations to answer to.

Oh you mean all those wars that Biden has publicly supported for nearly 50 years as a politician? Prepare yourself for the real deal inflation reduction act when federal spending gets cut. The American people are fed up with the current administration’s disastrous budget & economic policies.

This is correct. There are two parties so that when the government does whatever it wants (hint: they always will) and one side's voters are upset, they can then blame the voters of the other party when in fact it is government that wronged them, not the other party's voters. Anyone who believes otherwise probably thinks pro wrestling is real, too.

Best thing anyone can do is ignore it all, since they're too big to be brought down. Don't support them with tax dollars, don't re-tweet them, don't attend their parties, indulge in as many harmless acts of disobedience as possible, don't participate in any way. Just live your life and be happy. Any power anyone feels that they have to control anything political in this country is an illusion at best, a deception at worst.

[Shaps]

This is correct. There are two parties so that when the government does whatever it wants (hint: they always will) and one side's voters are upset, they can then blame the voters of the other party when in fact it is government that wronged them, not the other party's voters. Anyone who believes otherwise probably thinks pro wrestling is real, too.

Best thing anyone can do is ignore it all, since they're too big to be brought down. Don't support them with tax dollars, don't re-tweet them, don't attend their parties, indulge in as many harmless acts of disobedience as possible, don't participate in any way. Just live your life and be happy. Any power anyone feels that they have to control anything political in this country is an illusion at best, a deception at worst.

Wrath knows what's up.

[Suppressed Poet]

This is correct. There are two parties so that when the government does whatever it wants (hint: they always will) and one side's voters are upset, they can then blame the voters of the other party when in fact it is government that wronged them, not the other party's voters. Anyone who believes otherwise probably thinks pro wrestling is real, too.

Best thing anyone can do is ignore it all, since they're too big to be brought down. Don't support them with tax dollars, don't re-tweet them, don't attend their parties, indulge in as many harmless acts of disobedience as possible, don't participate in any way. Just live your life and be happy. Any power anyone feels that they have to control anything political in this country is an illusion at best, a deception at worst.

Blasphemy! Pro wrestling IS real. :lol:

https://media.giphy.com/media/nDMyoNRkCesJdZAuuL/giphy.gif

[Shaps]

Blasphemy! Pro wrestling IS real. :lol:

https://media.giphy.com/media/nDMyoNRkCesJdZAuuL/giphy.gif

Dude! People like talking shit about wrestling (yes it's scripted)... but fucking hell the punishment those guys/gals put their bodies through is for fucking REAL!

#Respect

[Parkbandit]

What I love is how he tries to spin it, the most news media, to the most watched tv channels.

I'm sorry... most people recognize that NBC/ABC/CBS has actual news programming. Let's break it down for you:

JUST the Evening News on each channel: Q3 2022

ABC: 7,406,000 viewers
NBC: 6,874,000 viewers
CBS: 4,938,000 viewers

Fox News has an hour long news program from 6pm to 7pm and only gets on average 2,500,000 viewers.


Leading cable news networks in the United States in February 2023, by number of primetime viewers (in thousands)



Characteristic Primetime Aged 25-54
Fox News 2,262 299
MSNBC 1,165 119
CNN 587 122

https://www.statista.com/statistics/373814/cable-news-network-viewership-usa/

Fox News media blows away all the left’s news media.

You are only counting "Cable News Networks" and nothing else.

SPOILER: Cable News Networks is not the only news media in the United States. In fact, as I have illustrated, it is only a small share of the actual news media.

Did you want to move that goal post a little more now?

There's no way you don't dig in your heels to continue with your stupidity.

[Elanthil]

Only 7 million viewers? shit my mommas onlyfans show has more than that :D

[Parkbandit]

Only 7 million viewers? shit my mommas onlyfans show has more than that :D

You know 7,000,000 is not the same as 7.0, right?

[Suppressed Poet]

To anyone that thinks our spending and debt isn’t a big deal, take a look at this graph. Notice the huge spike in debt beginning in 2020 and its relationship to GDP. Covid is over. This level of government spending is simply unsustainable.

https://graphics.reuters.com/US-DEBT/US-DEBT-CEILING/gdpzqwnxlvw/graphic.jpg

[Gelston]

I'm sorry... most people recognize that NBC/ABC/CBS has actual news programming. Let's break it down for you:

JUST the Evening News on each channel: Q3 2022

ABC: 7,406,000 viewers
NBC: 6,874,000 viewers
CBS: 4,938,000 viewers

Fox News has an hour long news program from 6pm to 7pm and only gets on average 2,500,000 viewers.



You are only counting "Cable News Networks" and nothing else.

SPOILER: Cable News Networks is not the only news media in the United States. In fact, as I have illustrated, it is only a small share of the actual news media.

Did you want to move that goal post a little more now?

There's no way you don't dig in your heels to continue with your stupidity.

The only news I watch now is the local channels in the evening.

[Shaps]

The only news I watch now is the local channels in the evening.

Smart man.. I cut out watching news programs about a year ago.. life immeasurably improved.

[Methais]

Smart man.. I cut out watching news programs about a year ago.. life immeasurably improved.

I get my news from the Gemstone IV Players' Corner.

All you have to do is read anything Seran posts and apply the opposite, and that's the news.

[Seran]

As expected the House debt ceiling bill died in the Senate, a timely abortion of an ill-conceived notion. Meanwhile, Biden and McCarthy will be meeting soon to discuss why the Republicans need to stop trying to hijack our country's ability to pay it's debt.

[Orthin]

There are some hard liner Republicans that will never vote in favor of raising the debt ceiling (which I think is stupid if that matters).

It passed. Cope harder and get ready to work to earn those federal aide benefits you receive.

https://img.ifunny.co/images/1b76005e2fcf88cd58b332f5fe230daa4a715c888813fe5bd3 c6d3d0425a72b2_1.jpg

I now need you to only post in fast memes/quotes for all topics of discussion

[Parkbandit]

As expected the House debt ceiling bill died in the Senate, a timely abortion of an ill-conceived notion. Meanwhile, Biden and McCarthy will be meeting soon to discuss why the Republicans need to stop trying to hijack our country's ability to pay it's debt.

Glad to see someone woke up President Biden about this. On 4/26, Biden proclaimed this: “Happy to meet with McCarthy, but not on whether or not the debt limit gets extended. That’s not negotiable.”

It only took 6 days for him to sort of come to his senses.

[Methais]

As expected the House debt ceiling bill died in the Senate, a timely abortion of an ill-conceived notion. Meanwhile, Biden and McCarthy will be meeting soon to discuss why the Republicans need to stop trying to hijack our country's ability to pay it's debt.

I wish you'd hijack a copy of Hooked on Phonics.

[Suppressed Poet]

Glad to see someone woke up President Biden about this. On 4/26, Biden proclaimed this: “Happy to meet with McCarthy, but not on whether or not the debt limit gets extended. That’s not negotiable.”

It only took 6 days for him to sort of come to his senses.

Yeah it’s a really odd position for Biden to take… He is saying he will consider budget cuts but only after the debt ceiling passes without strings attached. Does he think people are really that dumb? If that were to happen he would immediately say something like “I considered it and decided not to reduce my budget.”

[Neveragain]

Smart man.. I cut out watching news programs about a year ago.. life immeasurably improved.

Spent a year out in the sticks of Montana. Zero access to television.

The first time watching TV after that was weird AF. The thing that stood out most was how incredible scripted network television is.

Sports and movies is the only time my TV is ever on now.

[Methais]

Yeah it’s a really odd position for Biden to take… He is saying he will consider budget cuts but only after the debt ceiling passes without strings attached. Does he think people are really that dumb? If that were to happen he would immediately say something like “I considered it and decided not to reduce my budget.”

The problem is republicans really are that dumb. They've been falling for the same shit just like that forever.

[Suppressed Poet]

The problem is republicans really are that dumb. They've been falling for the same shit just like that forever.

Damn. Raining cold hard truth up in here… You are not wrong.

We’ll see how this plays out.

[Seran]

Yeah it’s a really odd position for Biden to take… He is saying he will consider budget cuts but only after the debt ceiling passes without strings attached. Does he think people are really that dumb? If that were to happen he would immediately say something like “I considered it and decided not to reduce my budget.”

That's his prerogative as President. Just as it was the Republican House who tried to get the Senate to pass their holding the debt limit hostage, until the Senate rejected the measure. McCarthy wants to try and force the President to accept ridiculous cuts to the ability of the IRS to enforce and collect existing tax law, that's a no brainer rejection that only idiots think is a good idea.

[Parkbandit]

That's his prerogative as President. Just as it was the Republican House who tried to get the Senate to pass their holding the debt limit hostage, until the Senate rejected the measure. McCarthy wants to try and force the President to accept ridiculous cuts to the ability of the IRS to enforce and collect existing tax law, that's a no brainer rejection that only idiots think is a good idea.

You might be the only person on the planet that believed the House thought the Senate would pass their bill.

No one is that retarded... except our special little Retard Champion.

The Republicans got exactly what they wanted with that legislation: Biden to negotiate the Democrat out of control spending.

[Seran]

You might be the only person on the planet that believed the House thought the Senate would pass their bill.

No one is that retarded... except our special little Retard Champion.

The Republicans got exactly what they wanted with that legislation: Biden to negotiate the Democrat out of control spending.

"Biden R at tabbeerr we R winnar." Yes, by all means go on thinking thinking that the Republicans have won some great pyrrhic victory. Maybe if you delude yourself enough into thinking Republicans can force prior laws to go away by not funding them, it'll happen. It won't.

[Shaps]

Spent a year out in the sticks of Montana. Zero access to television.

The first time watching TV after that was weird AF. The thing that stood out most was how incredible scripted network television is.

Sports and movies is the only time my TV is ever on now.

That's awesome man! Montana wilds sounds like would be an enjoyable experience. Hope yours was.

[Parkbandit]

"Biden R at tabbeerr we R winnar." Yes, by all means go on thinking thinking that the Republicans have won some great pyrrhic victory. Maybe if you delude yourself enough into thinking Republicans can force prior laws to go away by not funding them, it'll happen. It won't.

Let's see what the puppeteers behind President Biden come up with first, shall we?

[Methais]

That's his prerogative as President. Just as it was the Republican House who tried to get the Senate to pass their holding the debt limit hostage, until the Senate rejected the measure. McCarthy wants to try and force the President to accept ridiculous cuts to the ability of the IRS to enforce and collect existing tax law, that's a no brainer rejection that only idiots think is a good idea.

Only welfare addicts like you want more IRS anything.

Get a job loser.

[Methais]

"Biden R at tabbeerr we R winnar." Yes, by all means go on thinking thinking that the Republicans have won some great pyrrhic victory. Maybe if you delude yourself enough into thinking Republicans can force prior laws to go away by not funding them, it'll happen. It won't.

Looks like someone's extra upsetti spaghetti :rofl:


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[Seran]

Looking forward to the 2023-2024 summary of the Republican agenda.

Attempted to defund the DOJ for doing it's job. They failed
Attempted to defund the IRS from enforcing tax law. They failed.
Tried to take codify transphobia. They failed.

Maybe symbolism is all the Republicans are good for nowadays, hope they understand the American people don't care.

[Methais]

Looking forward to the 2023-2024 summary of the Republican agenda.

Shutting down the weaponizing of the DOJ
Shutting down the over expansion of the IRS whose intent is to bully regular people over a measly $600 while claiming they're only going after rich people who "don't pay their fair share"
Men won't be able to beat up on women in sports anymore

This is correct.

Stay butthurt, welfare addict loser.

[Parkbandit]

Looking forward to the 2023-2024 summary of the Republican agenda.

Attempted to defund the DOJ for doing it's job. They failed
Attempted to defund the IRS from enforcing tax law. They failed.
Tried to take codify transphobia. They failed.

Maybe symbolism is all the Republicans are good for nowadays, hope they understand the American people don't care.

They don't?

Do you have some polling to suggest normal Americans are for the weaponization of the DOJ, want the growth of the IRS and believe that men pretending to be women should compete against women?

Also: Please don't link any polling data from the businessinsider.com again.. I'm not sure I can laugh at you anymore.

[Seran]

They don't?

Do you have some polling to suggest normal Americans are for the weaponization of the DOJ, want the growth of the IRS and believe that men pretending to be women should compete against women?

Also: Please don't link any polling data from the businessinsider.com again.. I'm not sure I can laugh at you anymore.

Sorry, legit polls don't gather data on the subjective interpretation of political pundits. Maybe in fantasyland where you apparently hail from.

In America we:

Investigate and prosecute alleged crimes as appropriate,
Enforce tax law and understand that enabling fraud is bad,
Don't believe bigoted opinions are good cause for legislation.

[Suppressed Poet]

Sorry, legit polls don't gather data on the subjective interpretation of political pundits. Maybe in fantasyland where you apparently hail from.

In America we:

Investigate and prosecute alleged crimes as appropriate,
Enforce tax law and understand that enabling fraud is bad,
Don't believe bigoted opinions are good cause for legislation.

Thanks for the laughs today Seran.

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[Methais]

Sorry, legit polls don't gather data on the subjective interpretation of political pundits. Maybe in fantasyland where you apparently hail from.

In America we:

Investigate and prosecute alleged crimes as appropriate,
Enforce tax law and understand that enabling fraud is bad,
Don't believe bigoted opinions are good cause for legislation.

Can men get pregnant?

[Solkern]

upsetti spaghetti

I don’t know why I laughed so much because of this. Lol

[Seran]

This bill won’t be accepted as it is, and I don’t think anyone really expects that. It’s a negotiation tool to come to a compromise. Biden wants a debt ceiling raise with no budget cuts. The Republican led House wants some steep budget cuts. I do hope Congress can work it out and meet in the middle. If Democrats are unwilling to accept that elections have consequences & work with the other side, we will default on our debts by the end of this summer.

Super cool negotiation position the Republicans have taken, refusing to negotiate until they get their way. Sort of undercuts their cry baby position Biden was ignoring their requests to discuss the debt ceiling. Shows just how serious they are about causing a default.

[Parkbandit]

Super cool negotiation position the Republicans have taken, refusing to negotiate until they get their way. Sort of undercuts their cry baby position Biden was ignoring their requests to discuss the debt ceiling. Shows just how serious they are about causing a default.

The Republicans have put forth a plan. It's up to someone in the Biden Administration to wake up Sleepy Joe and let him know the ball is in his court.

[Suppressed Poet]

Super cool negotiation position the Republicans have taken, refusing to negotiate until they get their way. Sort of undercuts their cry baby position Biden was ignoring their requests to discuss the debt ceiling. Shows just how serious they are about causing a default.

They’re that serious about reducing the deficit spending for sure. They have a plan, passed a bill, and McCarthy has made every effort to meet & negotiate with Biden. I hope they can work something out.

[Seran]

The Republicans have put forth a plan. It's up to someone in the Biden Administration to wake up Sleepy Joe and let him know the ball is in his court.

Umm, passing the debt ceiling increase without attachments is a plan. It's the most sensible plan actually. Republicans trying to force budget cuts by holding the debt ceiling increase hostage isn't.

[Suppressed Poet]

Umm, passing the debt ceiling increase without attachments is a plan. It's the most sensible plan actually. Republicans trying to force budget cuts by holding the debt ceiling increase hostage isn't.

Not going to happen. Tick tock… Time is running out to strike a deal.

[Seran]

Not going to happen. Tick tock… Time is running out to strike a deal.

Then we default, the world markets tank and Republicans are on the record for having caused the first post-Civil War default in the history of the United States.

[Suppressed Poet]

Then we default, the world markets tank and Republicans are on the record for having caused the first post-Civil War default in the history of the United States.

Tough to say how history will remember this event & who gets blamed.

One thing is for certain though, spending will be cut.

[Parkbandit]

Umm, passing the debt ceiling increase without attachments is a plan. It's the most sensible plan actually. Republicans trying to force budget cuts by holding the debt ceiling increase hostage isn't.

"We do not want to decrease our spending!" has always been a very effective fiscal plan to stop increasing your debt.

[Seran]

Tough to say how history will remember this event & who gets blamed.

One thing is for certain though, spending will be cut.

Republican logic: Cut IRS enforcement of existing tax laws and cut spending further to offset the loss of revenue! Paying taxes bad.

Everyone else: -puzzled- How about we collect taxes which are due and not cut as much to balance the budget?

Republican response: -seething- How unpatriotic. Only socialists believe in following laws.

[Neveragain]

Everyone else: -puzzled- How about we collect taxes which are due and not cut as much to balance the budget?

Everyone is wondering why we are paying federal taxes at all, most people don't get to keep a job if they suck at it.

[~Rocktar~]

Democrat logic: We won't negotiate at all while whining how it's Republican's fault and "Buttt Trumppppp"

Everyone else: What the fuck dude, they passed a bill and asked to negotiate which don't cut Medicare or SS benefits at all?

Democrat response: The mean Republicans won't capitulate to our idiotic demands so they are anti-American and want to cut off SS and Medicare

Seran: I can't understand the situation so I will post something retarded and wonder why I am such a retarded imbecile.

[Seran]

Everyone is wondering why we are paying federal taxes at all, most people don't get to keep a job if they suck at it.

Yeah those people wondering why we pay federal taxes are fucking idiots

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah those people wondering why we pay federal taxes are fucking idiots

Says the person that receives more in benefits than he pays in taxes.

[Solkern]

Says the person that receives more in benefits than he pays in taxes.

I pay zero taxes in the states.

[Parkbandit]

I pay zero taxes in the states.

This is incorrect.

[Solkern]

This is incorrect.

Yeah, I mean from my salary.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah, I mean from my salary.

That’s awesome. I do all I can to pay as little as possible, but it ends up being a lot more than 0.

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[Methais]

Then we default, the world markets tank and Republicans are on the record for having caused the first post-Civil War default in the history of the United States.

Look at you all in a panic because you're worried about your welfare checks still coming in.

Get a job loser.

[Solkern]

That’s awesome. I do all I can to pay as little as possible, but it ends up being a lot more than 0.

https://y.yarn.co/8e526ca8-8c74-4aa8-b22c-6d765e2622d7_text.gif

I’m still going off my contract abroad, got 3ish more years.

[Elanthil]

So my Veterans benefits and SSDI are on the chopping block looks like. Guess I'll be moving out of assisted living and into a cardboard box.

[Seran]

So my Veterans benefits and SSDI are on the chopping block looks like. Guess I'll be moving out of assisted living and into a cardboard box.

To be fair, the Republican party is done with you once you're no longer in the work force. Bloomberg just posted an article about the State of Texas allowing parents to steal the blood of their minor children to try and revitalize themselves, so you know, move to Texas.

[Suppressed Poet]

To be fair, the Republican party is done with you once you're no longer in the work force. Bloomberg just posted an article about the State of Texas allowing parents to steal the blood of their minor children to try and revitalize themselves, so you know, move to Texas.

Your words are as empty as your future.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

So my Veterans benefits and SSDI are on the chopping block looks like. Guess I'll be moving out of assisted living and into a cardboard box.

If your sole source of income is government promises and a ponzi scheme that actually states on it's government website it should represent a third of your retirement income, yes.

[Seran]

There you have it, parties are optimistic there won't be anymore Freedom Caucus hissy fits and storming out of meetings. McCarthy better start updating his LinkedIn profile to remove Speaker though, since the last time conservative Republicans stormed out, they weren't the Freedom Caucus, but called the Tea Party and they sacked Paul Ryan when their attempts to shut down the government were thwarted.


No agreement yet on debt ceiling, but Biden, McCarthy say they’re optimistic after meeting

WASHINGTON (AP) — House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said he had a productive debt ceiling discussion with President Joe Biden late Monday at the White House, but no agreement yet as Washington strains to strike a budget compromise and raise the nation’s borrowing limit in time to avert a potentially chaotic federal default.

It’s a crucial moment for the Democratic president and the Republican speaker, just 10 days before a looming deadline to raise the debt limit.

As soon as June 1 the U.S. could start running short of cash to cover its debts, a daunting situation. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said in a letter to Congress on Monday “it is highly likely” that Treasury would be unable to pay all the nation’s bills. An unprecedented default would be financially damaging for many Americans and others around the world relying on U.S. stability, sending shockwaves through the global economy.

“We both talked about the need for bipartisan agreement,” Biden said at the start of the meeting.

The president said he was “optimistic we may be able to make some progress, because we both agreed default is not really on the table.”

McCarthy said afterward they had a “productive discussion. We don’t have an agreement yet.”

Ahead of the hourlong meeting, but both men said there remain disagreements. The White House chief of staff and top administration negotiators joined the session, as did McCarthy’s own chief of staff as well as a top Republican involved in the negotiations, Rep. Patrick McHenry of North Carolina, the Financial Services Committee chairman.

https://apnews.com/article/debt-ceiling-biden-mccarthy-white-house-ba765d3f34f410fbc8dcdfb2ff67a90f

[Parkbandit]

Bloomberg just posted an article about the State of Texas allowing parents to steal the blood of their minor children to try and revitalize themselves, so you know, move to Texas.

Link?

Or are you too embarrassed by your retarded take on something?

Because that would take some self respect.. something you obviously have no business having.

[Seran]

Link?

Or are you too embarrassed by your retarded take on something?

Because that would take some self respect.. something you obviously have no business having.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-22/bryan-johnson-s-anti-aging-blood-transfusion-involves-dad-and-son#xj4y7vzkg

[Solkern]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-22/bryan-johnson-s-anti-aging-blood-transfusion-involves-dad-and-son#xj4y7vzkg

That’s fucking weird.

[Seran]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-05-22/bryan-johnson-s-anti-aging-blood-transfusion-involves-dad-and-son#xj4y7vzkg


That’s fucking weird.

I'm honestly thinking Governor Abbott is having his Christopher Reeves moment, but instead of stem cells it's blood transfusions from children.

[drumpel]

To be fair, the Republican party is done with you once you're no longer in the work force. Bloomberg just posted an article about the State of Texas allowing parents to steal the blood of their minor children to try and revitalize themselves, so you know, move to Texas.

I see nothing in that story about politics or court orders or law. It's funny how you feel republicans are allowing this or forcing this to happen - you sure do like to stretch out the narratives to fit your little, shallow mind. It sounds like you're against people donating plasma.


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[Solkern]

I see nothing in that story about politics or court orders or law. It's funny how you feel republicans are allowing this or forcing this to happen - you sure do like to stretch out the narratives to fit your little, shallow mind. It sounds like you're against people donating plasma.


Well, to be fair it is a red state, and it’s happening there, so you can say the republicans are allowing it.
The right like to say, homelessness in California is the fault of democrats, it’s really no different.

Either way, that story is weird as fuck, but I see nothing wrong with it, or how it’s even the fault of the republicans in anyway, so I agree with ya.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah I’m a bit confused. Isn’t it the Democratic elite that require feasting on the blood of children for subsistence?

This Bryan Johnson character is from LA. Figures. These fucking vampiric tech gurus are flocking to Texas and ruining our state. I bet this was the same slap-jawed faggot in a Tesla with Cali plates driving 5 mph under the speed limit on the far left lane of the Dallas North Tollway this morning.

[Suppressed Poet]

The right like to say, homelessness in California is the fault of democrats, it’s really no different.

Policy definitely has an effect on homelessness. Taking partisanship out of it…when a city gives away free needles to support heroin addictions, allows people to setup camps wherever they want, unaffordable housing for the working class, and a justice system sympathetic to criminals…well you get more homelessness.

[Solkern]

Yeah I’m a bit confused. Isn’t it the Democratic elite that require feasting on the blood of children for subsistence?

This Bryan Johnson character is from LA. Figures. These fucking vampiric tech gurus are flocking to Texas and ruining our state. I bet this was the same slap-jawed faggot in a Tesla with Cali plates driving 5 mph under the speed limit on the far left lane of the Dallas North Tollway this morning.

Please, take all of our weirdos! Haha

[Solkern]

Policy definitely has an effect on homelessness. Taking partisanship out of it…when a city gives away free needles to support heroin addictions, allows people to setup camps wherever they want, unaffordable housing for the working class, and a justice system sympathetic to criminals…well you get more homelessness.

I get what you are saying! At the same time, a lack of action, is an action in itself, and you can be just as much of the fault.

[Shaps]

Yeah I’m a bit confused. Isn’t it the Democratic elite that require feasting on the blood of children for subsistence?

This Bryan Johnson character is from LA. Figures. These fucking vampiric tech gurus are flocking to Texas and ruining our state. I bet this was the same slap-jawed faggot in a Tesla with Cali plates driving 5 mph under the speed limit on the far left lane of the Dallas North Tollway this morning.

What's sad is people don't realize they're the virus... They destroy where they live, move to where you live, then destroy that place also. Fucking locusts...

[Parkbandit]

Well, to be fair it is a red state, and it’s happening there, so you can say the republicans are allowing it.
The right like to say, homelessness in California is the fault of democrats, it’s really no different.

Either way, that story is weird as fuck, but I see nothing wrong with it, or how it’s even the fault of the republicans in anyway, so I agree with ya.

One person doing something weird isn't a result of Republican policy.

On the other hand, when the top 5 states with the most homelessness are liberal strongholds, there's probably something about the policies they use to encourage the behavior.

As usual, your comparisons are pretty idiotic. You should stop making those or at least try to come up with a good one.

[Methais]

Your words are as empty as your future.

His past and present too.

[Methais]

I'm honestly thinking Governor Abbott is having his Christopher Reeves moment, but instead of stem cells it's blood transfusions from children.


George is Reeves. Christopher is Reeve.


George:
https://www.closerweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/george-reeves-expanded-main.jpg?quality=86&strip=all

Christopher:
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You:
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[Seran]

One person doing something weird isn't a result of Republican policy.

On the other hand, when the top 5 states with the most homelessness are liberal strongholds, there's probably something about the policies they use to encourage the behavior.

As usual, your comparisons are pretty idiotic. You should stop making those or at least try to come up with a good one.

Yes, it is. They're draining children in Texas to help the parents look younger, that's some fucked up science Governor Abbott is allowing. Strangely enough, the Unwind series by Neal Shusterman wrote about this exact thing happening.

[Methais]

Yes, it is. They're draining children in Texas to help the parents look younger, that's some fucked up science Governor Abbott is allowing. Strangely enough, the Unwind series by Neal Shusterman wrote about this exact thing happening.

Which democrats are at fault for you being a welfare collecting unemployed unshowered scumbag NPC with no capability of independent thought then?

[Parkbandit]

Yes, it is. They're draining children in Texas to help the parents look younger, that's some fucked up science Governor Abbott is allowing. Strangely enough, the Unwind series by Neal Shusterman wrote about this exact thing happening.

You're retarded. So, it is only happening exclusively in Texas?

You sure about that?

[Suppressed Poet]

Yes, it is. They're draining children in Texas to help the parents look younger, that's some fucked up science Governor Abbott is allowing. Strangely enough, the Unwind series by Neal Shusterman wrote about this exact thing happening.

You are a member of the Democrat Party’s own chapter of QAnon.

[Methais]

You are a member of the Democrat Party’s own chapter of QAnon.

In before NO THATS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THI'S I'S FOR 'SUPER REAL!!!!!!

[Parkbandit]

In before NO THATS DIFFERENT BECAUSE THI'S I'S FOR 'SUPER REAL!!!!!!

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3oKIP5ZTHXPUB6J6ta/giphy.gif

[Seran]

"It's not my fault," McCarthy screamed, trying to deflect blame for our upcoming default as Republicans hold the country hostage over the debt ceiling. “I want to work as hard as we can and not stop.” he later drooled, then announced the House of Representatives was going into recess without solving the problem. Well done Republicans!


McCarthy says debt ceiling standoff ‘not my fault,’ as White House warns of economic risks

WASHINGTON (AP) — A defiant House Speaker Kevin McCarthy said Wednesday the debt ceiling standoff was “not my fault” as he sent Republican negotiators to the White House to finish out talks, but warned the two sides need more time as they try to reach a budget deal with President Joe Biden.

McCarthy said he remained optimistic they could reach an agreement before a deadline as soon as next week, when the Treasury Department could run out of cash to pay its bills. Financial markets are teetering as Washington edges closer to a debt default crisis that would be unprecedented in modern times, sending shockwaves around the globe.

Late in the day, Fitch Ratings agency placed the United States’ AAA credit on “ratings watch negative,” warning of a possible downgrade because of what it called the brinkmanship and political partisanship over lifting the debt ceiling.

The White House blamed the Republicans led by McCarthy for risking a devastating default that would hit “every single part of the country” as they demand “extreme” spending cuts that would hurt millions of Americans.

“We’re not going to default,” McCarthy, R-Calif., assured.

The Republican speaker said the negotiators “made some progress” at the White House. “I want to work as hard as we can and not stop.”

Debt ceiling negotiations are locked on a classic problem that has divided and disrupted Washington before, particularly the last time Republicans used the borrowing limit as leverage to extract priorities a decade ago: Republicans want to roll back federal government spending, while Biden and other Democrats do not.

https://apnews.com/article/debt-limit-congress-mccarthy-biden-budget-850273c73ed40f4ad002fa24e50f9b40

[Methais]

I'm a huge NPC and nothing I say are my own thoughts or beliefs, because I don't have any of either.

This is correct.

[Suppressed Poet]

We got a verbal! Biden made a compromise on the budget as he put it. Disaster averted. Good job boys.

Seran, what are your thoughts on those non-defense spending cuts? How do you feel about about more stringent work requirements for leaching off the federal government’s welfare programs? Your beloved IRS is going to have to get by without funding an army of new agents.

[Neveragain]

"It's not my fault," McCarthy screamed, trying to deflect blame for our upcoming default as Republicans hold the country hostage over the debt ceiling. “I want to work as hard as we can and not stop.” he later drooled, then announced the House of Representatives was going into recess without solving the problem. Well done Republicans!



https://apnews.com/article/debt-limit-congress-mccarthy-biden-budget-850273c73ed40f4ad002fa24e50f9b40

Cry more for us.

[Methais]

We got a verbal! Biden made a compromise on the budget as he put it. Disaster averted. Good job boys.

Seran, what are your thoughts on those non-defense spending cuts? How do you feel about about more stringent work requirements for leaching off the federal government’s welfare programs? Your beloved IRS is going to have to get by without funding an army of new agents.

Seran:
https://media.tenor.com/s8fD8Q4n_dUAAAAM/tropicalnorseman-hoberg.gif

[ClydeR]

We got a verbal! Biden made a compromise on the budget as he put it. Disaster averted. Good job boys.

Biden should follow the example of Bill Clinton in similar circumstances. He should embrace the deal and take full credit for it. But not until it passes the House.

That tactic worked amazingly for Clinton. It wasn't a lie, of course, since the compromise would not have worked without Clinton's signature as President.

[Suppressed Poet]

Biden should follow the example of Bill Clinton in similar circumstances. He should embrace the deal and take full credit for it. But not until it passes the House.

That tactic worked amazingly for Clinton. It wasn't a lie, of course, since the compromise would not have worked without Clinton's signature as President.

Oh I’m certain each side will take credit and claim it as a win. That is fine by me. We didn’t default and we did get at least some reduction in government spending. You know it’s a fair compromise when both the progressive Democrats and the far-right Republicans are both pissed off.

[Seran]

Biden should follow the example of Bill Clinton in similar circumstances. He should embrace the deal and take full credit for it. But not until it passes the House.

That tactic worked amazingly for Clinton. It wasn't a lie, of course, since the compromise would not have worked without Clinton's signature as President.

Pretty solid win for the President. Staved off cuts to discretionary spending, IRS funding mostly intact, reasonable work requirements for food benefits with a carve out for indigent or needy, plus a solid gain for jobs a mostly complete natural gas pipeline which has already passed EPA review. Conservative Republicans will try and block it, then bitch about McCarthy needing to be ousted, meanwhile Democrats go back to governing while Republicans devolve into bickering and infighting.

[Suppressed Poet]

Pretty solid win for the President. Staved off cuts to discretionary spending, IRS funding mostly intact, reasonable work requirements for food benefits with a carve out for indigent or needy, plus a solid gain for jobs a mostly complete natural gas pipeline which has already passed EPA review. Conservative Republicans will try and block it, then bitch about McCarthy needing to be ousted, meanwhile Democrats go back to governing while Republicans devolve into bickering and infighting.

Cope harder loser. You have be on here saying how powerless House Republicans are & that the debt ceiling will be passed with no budget cuts. You touted that the Republican lead House bill was a big nothing burger. Several of us pointed out that it’s a negotiation tool. That is exactly what it was & that objective was achieved. The compromise bill will pass the House. Some hard conservatives will vote against it just like some progressives in the Senate, but ultimately it will make it through Congress.


Umm, passing the debt ceiling increase without attachments is a plan. It's the most sensible plan actually. Republicans trying to force budget cuts by holding the debt ceiling increase hostage isn't.

[Seran]

Cope harder loser. You have be on here saying how powerless House Republicans are & that the debt ceiling will be passed with no budget cuts. You touted that the Republican lead House bill was a big nothing burger. Several of us pointed out that it’s a negotiation tool. That is exactly what it was & that objective was achieved. The compromise bill will pass the House. Some hard conservatives will vote against it just like some progressives in the Senate, but ultimately it will make it through Congress.

They got next to nothing, that is how ineffectual the Republicans are. Go back to claiming this was a win for Democracy as a whole, because your claims somehow Republicans came out on top is nauseatingly inaccurate.

[Suppressed Poet]

They got next to nothing, that is how ineffectual the Republicans are. Go back to claiming this was a win for Democracy as a whole, because your claims somehow Republicans came out on top is nauseatingly inaccurate.

:rofl:

Actually there are some pretty significant budget caps and cuts for the next two years. It’s not everything either side wanted, thus a compromise. I thought you said the debt ceiling should be passed with no budget cuts? Keep moving those goal posts, loser.

[Seran]

:rofl:

Actually there are some pretty significant budget caps and cuts for the next two years. It’s not everything either side wanted, thus a compromise. I thought you said the debt ceiling should be passed with no budget cuts? Keep moving those goal posts, loser.

Speaking of moving goalposts, limiting the budget to a 1% increase over two years isn't a cut, you're banking on that being less than year over year inflation and calling it a cut is blatant calling a win after the goal post. $10B reduction in IRS funding out of an $80B increase? Still a net gain of $70B to the IRS who will use that money to enforce against tax cucks. Clawing back $30B in unspent Covid-19 stimulus? K, that hurts hurts red states but Republicans can all that a win too if it makes you feel better!
Biden got a suspension of the debt ceiling, no finite cap, a total suspension. The Democrats are secretly drinking champagne behind closed doors waiting for Republicans to finish eating each other alive and pass the compromise legislation before laughing in their faces.

[Parkbandit]

You know it's a Republican win when Seran comes in and declares Biden "won" the negotiation.

You realize that Biden wasn't even part of anything.. he was eating cottage cheese and applesauce and shitting his diaper.

I can't wait until 2024 when you go into full blown meltdown mode again.

[Suppressed Poet]

Speaking of moving goalposts, limiting the budget to a 1% increase over two years isn't a cut, you're banking on that being less than year over year inflation and calling it a cut is blatant calling a win after the goal post. $10B reduction in IRS funding out of an $80B increase? Still a net gain of $70B to the IRS who will use that money to enforce against tax cucks. Clawing back $30B in unspent Covid-19 stimulus? K, that hurts hurts red states but Republicans can all that a win too if it makes you feel better!
Biden got a suspension of the debt ceiling, no finite cap, a total suspension. The Democrats are secretly drinking champagne behind closed doors waiting for Republicans to finish eating each other alive and pass the compromise legislation before laughing in their faces.

:rofl: You are hilarious.

1) Next year’s non-defense budget is slightly less than this year. In 2025 it can only be increased 1%. This alone saves an estimated $1 trillion dollars compared to what it was before the negotiated compromise. Is it enough? Not really, but at least we have a cap on Biden’s totally out of control spending.

2) The cut to the IRS budget was $20 billion, not $10 billion. Again it’s not enough, but it’s a step in the right direction.

3) Totally false on Covid relief fund clawback. The states that were banking on bailouts (mainly the blue ones) won’t be getting that money.

4) Trump’s tax cuts were extended. No new taxes on successful Americans. Wohoo!

Drink that champagne until you drown. What did Democrats get in return for those concessions? They got an extension of the debt ceiling for 2 years. So much for that “we won’t consider anything except a clean debt ceiling increase.” LOL! More to come later this year when Congress meets again for budget discussions.

[Parkbandit]

:rofl: You are hilarious.

1) Next year’s non-defense budget is slightly less than this year. In 2025 it can only be increased 1%. This alone saves an estimated $1 trillion dollars compared to what it was before the negotiated compromise. Is it enough? Not really, but at least we have a cap on Biden’s totally out of control spending.

2) The cut to the IRS budget was $20 billion, not $10 billion. Again it’s not enough, but it’s a step in the right direction.

3) Totally false on Covid relief fund clawback. The states that were banking on bailouts (mainly the blue ones) won’t be getting that money.

4) Trump’s tax cuts were extended. No new taxes on successful Americans. Wohoo!

Drink that champagne until you drown. What did Democrats get in return for those concessions? They got an extension of the debt ceiling for 2 years. So much for that “we won’t consider anything except a clean debt ceiling increase.” LOL! More to come later this year when Congress meets again for budget discussions.

Has the text of the bill come out yet? I thought it gets released tomorrow. Until then, I won't be listening to either side proclamations of victory.

[Seran]

:rofl: You are hilarious.

1) Next year’s non-defense budget is slightly less than this year. In 2025 it can only be increased 1%. This alone saves an estimated $1 trillion dollars compared to what it was before the negotiated compromise. Is it enough? Not really, but at least we have a cap on Biden’s totally out of control spending.

2) The cut to the IRS budget was $20 billion, not $10 billion. Again it’s not enough, but it’s a step in the right direction.

3) Totally false on Covid relief fund clawback. The states that were banking on bailouts (mainly the blue ones) won’t be getting that money.

4) Trump’s tax cuts were extended. No new taxes on successful Americans. Wohoo!

Drink that champagne until you drown. What did Democrats get in return for those concessions? They got an extension of the debt ceiling for 2 years. So much for that “we won’t consider anything except a clean debt ceiling increase.” LOL! More to come later this year when Congress meets again for budget discussions.

The defense budget for next year is stagnant, thus it's less and Republicans are wiinnaars. 1% is a decrease too. ~Shaps

LOL. Republicans are so silly, nerfing the ability of the government to collect legally owed taxes and calling it budget balancing. That and the party's inability to count is really taking a toll on their already poor leadership abilities.

Meanwhile, Conservative GOP members are already trying to tank the compromise. Go figure:


Republican tries to scuttle debt limit bill in House Rules Committee as pressure grows on key swing vote

Rep. Chip Roy accused House Speaker Kevin McCarthy on Monday of cutting a deal that could complicate negotiators’ efforts to pass a bill to raise the US debt ceiling this week.

But McCarthy’s allies quickly refuted the Texas Republican, underscoring the tension ahead of a key meeting of the House Rules Committee on Tuesday – and putting new pressure on a conservative holdout, Rep. Thomas Massie of Kentucky, who has yet to take a position on the plan.

Roy contended that McCarthy cut a hand-shake deal in January that all nine Republicans on the powerful panel must agree to move any legislation forward, otherwise bills could not be considered by the full House for majority approval. That would essentially doom the debt ceiling bill since Roy – who sits on the panel – and another conservative committee member are trying to stop the bill from advancing.

“A reminder that during Speaker negotiations to build the coalition, that it was explicit both that nothing would pass Rules Committee without AT LEAST 7 GOP votes - AND that the Committee would not allow reporting out rules without unanimous Republican votes,” Roy tweeted.

Senior GOP sources acknowledged that there was an agreement for seven Republican committee members to agree to move forward in order to advance a bill to the floor, but they flatly dispute that there was a deal for all nine to sign off for legislation to advance.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/29/politics/chip-roy-house-rules-committee/index.html

[Seran]

Oh and for the record, nothing in the compromise bill Fiscal Responsibility for 2023 Act references any of the Trump tax cuts being extended. I invite you to point out what section of the 99 page document does so.

[Parkbandit]

Oh and for the record, nothing in the compromise bill Fiscal Responsibility for 2023 Act references any of the Trump tax cuts being extended. I invite you to point out what section of the 99 page document does so.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-seeks-extension-of-trump-tax-cuts-for-most-households-9109b53f

It might not be in the bill yet.. but it sure sounds like the Biden Administration wants to extend them.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh and for the record, nothing in the compromise bill Fiscal Responsibility for 2023 Act references any of the Trump tax cuts being extended. I invite you to point out what section of the 99 page document does so.

Extended was the wrong word. My bad. You are right it says nothing about new taxes. Remember back when a week or two ago Democrats urged the White House to make additional taxation part of the negotiation? Yeah, that didn’t happen.

[Suppressed Poet]

Has the text of the bill come out yet? I thought it gets released tomorrow. Until then, I won't be listening to either side proclamations of victory.

I’m not sure, but I’ve been reading about what is included and that seems to be consistent across various news sources. Honestly, not defaulting is a win & whatever spending cuts we can get out of this is a bonus. I suppose winning depends on how you define victory conditions. It’s fun to troll Seran and watch him back pedal with excuses as to why Biden made any concessions at all.

[Seran]

Extended was the wrong word. My bad. You are right it says nothing about new taxes. Remember back when a week or two ago Democrats urged the White House to make additional taxation part of the negotiation? Yeah, that didn’t happen.

Well let's just include everything that every random person talked about and consider it a win for the opposition, because that makes sense for the final legislation. Representative Ogles of Tennesse has already tried asserting poison pill amendments, such as a full repeal of the Debt Reduction Act. Full text of the bill including said amendments:

https://rules.house.gov/bill/118/hr-fiscal-responsibility-act

[Suppressed Poet]

Compromise bill passed the House. My 401k will live to fight another day.

[Methais]

Compromise bill passed the House. My 401k will live to fight another day.

What about Seran's welfare check though?

[Suppressed Poet]

What about Seran's welfare check though?

Oh he will still continue to receive government assistance, but they now require his conscription into Ukraine’s penal infantry division.

[Elanthil]

Get rid of income tax altogether and institute a nationwide 5.5% sales tax on all taxable items, plus the 5.5% to 6% states charge, and the goverment should have MORE than enough money to continue ass fucking the middle class.

[Seran]

Get rid of income tax altogether and institute a nationwide 5.5% sales tax on all taxable items, plus the 5.5% to 6% states charge, and the goverment should have MORE than enough money to continue ass fucking the middle class.

A consumption tax, national sales tax, or VAT tax would never work in the United States and its been detailed so many times on this forum why it's a stupid idea that you should go hide your head in shame.

[Suppressed Poet]

A consumption tax, national sales tax, or VAT tax would never work in the United States and its been detailed so many times on this forum why it's a stupid idea that you should go hide your head in shame.

It worked just fine that way prior to 1913. Back then we had some tariffs and excise taxes, but no federal income tax. It’s not a stupid idea to think that the burden of taxation should be shared equally nor is it dumb to explore alternatives to income tax for federal funding. The size & scope of our federal government needs to be dramatically reduced.

[Neveragain]

A consumption tax, national sales tax, or VAT tax would never work in the United States and its been detailed so many times on this forum why it's a stupid idea that you should go hide your head in shame.

It's never been explained why it wouldn't work, it's only been argued that poor people would have to pay taxes, which would be easily alleviated through an exemption status.

You want to control peoples wealth through the strong arm of the government because you hate people that are more successful than you.

[Seran]

It worked just fine that way prior to 1913. Back then we had some tariffs and excise taxes, but no federal income tax. It’s not a stupid idea to think that the burden of taxation should be shared equally nor is it dumb to explore alternatives to income tax for federal funding. The size & scope of our federal government needs to be dramatically reduced.

It didn't work just fine, look at the massive problems that existed pre and post Civil War, our country simply had very little means to defend itself. Excise taxes on alcohol, gunpowder and tobacco were fine until war broke out. All countries tax, you all keep pretending it's America's original sin.

[Parkbandit]

A consumption tax, national sales tax, or VAT tax would never work in the United States and its been detailed so many times on this forum why it's a stupid idea that you should go hide your head in shame.

Wut?

As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about.

Ever.

[Parkbandit]

You want to control peoples wealth through the strong arm of the government because you hate people that are more successful than you.

That is a LOT of hate for Seran.

[Methais]

A consumption tax, national sales tax, or VAT tax would never work in the United States and its been detailed so many times on this forum why it's a stupid idea that you should go hide your head in shame.

You thinking it's stupid means it would work out fantastically.

[Solkern]

It's never been explained why it wouldn't work, it's only been argued that poor people would have to pay taxes, which would be easily alleviated through an exemption status.

You want to control peoples wealth through the strong arm of the government because you hate people that are more successful than you.

It’s been explained a few times why it won’t work. If it did work, and it was so amazing, we would have it. Obviously it’s been dissected countless times. The US government doesn’t care about poor people.

Here are some reasons:

Roadblocks and Challenges to Implementing a VAT System in the US

Despite the widespread use of VAT systems across the world, the United States remains a notable exception. Implementing such an indirect tax in the US would face numerous roadblocks and challenges.

One of the primary reasons why the US has not adopted a VAT system is the federal system of government. Due to that, the US has a more decentralized tax system than many other countries, with the US Constitution granting significant powers to individual states. US states have their own tax laws, and they collect sales and use taxes (sometimes not just states, but local governments, too), which are an essential source of revenue for states and localities. In light of these differences in the tax foundations on a state level, many of them would likely resist attempts to harmonize their state tax systems with a national VAT, not to mention the substantial political challenges it may bring.
Introducing a VAT system in the US would be a significant undertaking. The country's complex sales tax system currently has different scopes, tax rates, definitions, and exemptions in each state. Harmonizing these systems would require extensive coordination between the federal government, states, counties, and cities. However, there are initiatives to reach some degree of uniformization, like the Streamlined Sales Tax Project.
Moreover, the US has a large and intricate economy. Implementing a VAT system would require significant changes to the tax infrastructure, which would involve high costs and could take long years to implement. The US would also need to establish a system for administering and collecting VAT, requiring a significant investment in technology and personnel.
Another challenge would be the impact on businesses. While the VAT system is designed to be neutral to businesses, transitioning to a new tax system would bring some challenges. Since VAT is applied at every stage of the supply chain, VAT would place a more significant burden on some businesses than sales tax, as it requires them to collect and remit VAT correctly, keep detailed records, and comply with all the potential VAT obligations (VAT registrations, VAT reporting, new types of tax returns, etc.). Small businesses, in particular, may need help to adjust to the new system, which could lead to increased administrative costs and reduced profitability.
Introducing VAT would likely mean higher tax rates for the final consumers than the current sales tax system, as VAT is generally applied at a higher rate than sales tax. Furthermore, VAT is levied at each production stage, which may increase costs for businesses and, in turn, lead to higher consumer prices.
Lastly, enforcement is another challenge to implementing a VAT system in the US. While VAT is designed to be self-policing, with businesses responsible for collecting and remitting VAT payments, enforcement can be difficult. Tax audits and investigations are necessary to ensure compliance and deter fraud and tax evasion, but this requires additional resources and personnel.



You and others are already crying that the government wants to give money to the IRS to help out, that and even more money would be required to implement a VAT system.

FYI: I’m all for VAT, but I don’t think it’ll work ever in the states. America is far different, bigger and more complex than every other economy that uses it.

[Parkbandit]

Implementing a Value Added Tax (VAT) system in the United States could offer several potential advantages over the current system, although it's important to note that there are differing opinions on the matter. Here are some reasons why a VAT system might be considered beneficial:


Simplicity and Efficiency: The current US tax system is complex, with various deductions, exemptions, and loopholes. A VAT system can be designed to be simpler and more streamlined, reducing administrative burdens for both taxpayers and the government. VAT is a consumption-based tax, generally applied at each stage of production and distribution, making it easier to administer and enforce.
Broader Tax Base: A VAT system has the potential to capture a broader tax base by taxing consumption rather than income. Currently, a significant portion of the US population does not pay federal income taxes due to various deductions and credits. A VAT would ensure that everyone contributes to the tax system based on their consumption, thus potentially reducing the tax burden on income.
Stability and Predictability: VAT provides a stable and predictable revenue source for the government. In contrast, the US relies heavily on income taxes, which can be subject to fluctuations due to economic cycles. A VAT system, when properly designed, can offer a more reliable source of revenue, helping to stabilize government budgets and reduce deficit spending.
Encouraging Savings and Investment: By taxing consumption instead of income, a VAT system can incentivize savings and investment. Individuals and businesses may be motivated to save and invest more, leading to increased capital formation and economic growth.
International Competitiveness: The US is one of the few developed countries without a VAT system. Many countries around the world, including major trading partners, use VAT as a significant revenue source. Implementing a VAT could potentially make American exports more competitive in global markets by reducing the tax burden on exports while collecting taxes on imports.
Potential for Lower Tax Rates: A VAT system could allow for lower tax rates compared to the current income tax system, while still generating sufficient revenue. This can provide individuals and businesses with more disposable income, potentially stimulating consumption and economic activity. Solkern isn't the only one who can use ChatGPT. Difference is: I'm not claiming it's my own work... probably because I'm not a lazy piece of shit.

[Solkern]

Implementing a Value Added Tax (VAT) system in the United States could offer several potential advantages over the current system, although it's important to note that there are differing opinions on the matter. Here are some reasons why a VAT system might be considered beneficial:


Simplicity and Efficiency: The current US tax system is complex, with various deductions, exemptions, and loopholes. A VAT system can be designed to be simpler and more streamlined, reducing administrative burdens for both taxpayers and the government. VAT is a consumption-based tax, generally applied at each stage of production and distribution, making it easier to administer and enforce.
Broader Tax Base: A VAT system has the potential to capture a broader tax base by taxing consumption rather than income. Currently, a significant portion of the US population does not pay federal income taxes due to various deductions and credits. A VAT would ensure that everyone contributes to the tax system based on their consumption, thus potentially reducing the tax burden on income.
Stability and Predictability: VAT provides a stable and predictable revenue source for the government. In contrast, the US relies heavily on income taxes, which can be subject to fluctuations due to economic cycles. A VAT system, when properly designed, can offer a more reliable source of revenue, helping to stabilize government budgets and reduce deficit spending.
Encouraging Savings and Investment: By taxing consumption instead of income, a VAT system can incentivize savings and investment. Individuals and businesses may be motivated to save and invest more, leading to increased capital formation and economic growth.
International Competitiveness: The US is one of the few developed countries without a VAT system. Many countries around the world, including major trading partners, use VAT as a significant revenue source. Implementing a VAT could potentially make American exports more competitive in global markets by reducing the tax burden on exports while collecting taxes on imports.
Potential for Lower Tax Rates: A VAT system could allow for lower tax rates compared to the current income tax system, while still generating sufficient revenue. This can provide individuals and businesses with more disposable income, potentially stimulating consumption and economic activity. Solkern isn't the only one who can use ChatGPT. Difference is: I'm not claiming it's my own work... probably because I'm not a lazy piece of shit.


Never said it was my own work, nor did I use chatAI, keep making false accusations, look like an idiot some more. completely agree VAT would be amazing, but we weren’t talking about the benefits and drawbacks, I was talking about why it won’t be implemented in the states, but once again, you fail to grasp the conversation at hand, from the quote I posted and my reply.
you continuously show an inadequate mental capacity to follow any type of conversation.

Nev: no one has shown why it won’t work in america
Me: here are some reason why it won’t work or be implemented
PB: HERE ARE THE BEENFITS OF VAT!

Lol?

https://www.fonoa.com/blog/the-american-exception-why-the-us-has-no-vat-system

My source.

[Parkbandit]

Never said it was my own work, nor did I use chatAI, keep making false accusations, look like an idiot some more. completely agree VAT would be amazing, but we weren’t talking about the benefits and drawbacks, I was talking about why it won’t be implemented in the states, but once again, you fail to grasp the conversation at hand, from the quote I posted and my reply.
you continuously show an inadequate mental capacity to follow any type of conversation.

Nev: no one has shown why it won’t work in america
Me: here are some reason why it won’t work or be implemented
PB: HERE ARE THE BEENFITS OF VAT!

Lol?

https://www.fonoa.com/blog/the-american-exception-why-the-us-has-no-vat-system

My source.

You posted something that clearly wasn't your own and made no attribute to the actual author.

Solkern: "I NEVER SAID I WROTE IT!"

Amazing that I knew instantly it wasn't your own work... probably the fact that it didn't sound like a retarded 3rd grader wrote it was my first clue.

[Parkbandit]

The only reason a VAT system is not in the US is because the political class doesn't want it. It offers them no real way to enrich themselves with influence or power or money so it's not a system they would want to implement.

The political class has all the power with our current 75000 page federal tax code system and that's the way it will remain.

[Solkern]

You posted something that clearly wasn't your own and made no attribute to the actual author.

Solkern: "I NEVER SAID I WROTE IT!"

Amazing that I knew instantly it wasn't your own work... probably the fact that it didn't sound like a retarded 3rd grader wrote it was my first clue.


It’s quite amazing you assumed that I used a chat AI, and you assumed I took credit for it, when I never did, I guess you are so stupid that you require someone to post a link clearly stating where that source came from.
You would know what a retarded 3rd grader would sound like, that’s the basic intelligence needed to grasp the concept of apostrophes and your and you’re, which you fail to realize, but it’s the goal you are shooting for! Good luck little fella! One day!

Seriously PB, do you know how stupid you look? You sit here and question other people’s intelligence when you think you need a degree in English and education to know how to properly use apostrophes, you’re and you’re.
I’m still waiting for you to tell me about Trump’s jet lag.

This is your thought process PB
PB: your so stupid!
Everyone else: you’re*
PB: I don’t have a degree in English or education, that’s why I don’t know how to use apostrophes!
Everyone else: But it’s a contraction, a basic thing in English.
PB: I SAID I DON’T HAVE DEGREE IN ENGLISH OR EDUCATION! I don’t know apostrophes! YOUR STUPID!!!
Everyone else: you’re*

Seriously, you think you need a degree in English and education, just to be able to use punctuation, and basic contractions correctly, and you are calling other people stupid? Like a native English speaker… thinks you need a degree in English and education, just to use basic grammar and punctuation correctly.
Fucking stupid, you really are.

[Solkern]

You posted something that clearly wasn't your own and made no attribute to the actual author.

Solkern: "I NEVER SAID I WROTE IT!"

Amazing that I knew instantly it wasn't your own work... probably the fact that it didn't sound like a retarded 3rd grader wrote it was my first clue.

Everytime you post, calling someone stupid or along those lines, I’m just going to reply with my question and your own fucking retarded reply that shows how fucking dumb you are.



Can’t share with us, on how jet lag works? Or you still don’t know? Please tell us how Trump suffered from jet lag again when he never changed time zones.

Or maybe tell us the differences between “you’re” and “your”?




I never claimed to be in the airline business where I deal with jet lag on a daily basis.

Or an English teacher where I deal with apostrophes every day.

[Parkbandit]

Everytime you post, calling someone stupid or along those lines, I’m just going to reply with my own fucking retarded reply

That's it.. use your strength.

It's the only one you got.

[Seran]

Amazing how the shit flingers like PB and SHM were the only ones on the board using ChatGPT to post dumb ass nonsense and now try and paint others for their bullshit. Sad

[~Rocktar~]

Amazing how the shit flingers like PB and SHM were the only ones on the board using ChatGPT to post dumb ass nonsense and now try and paint others for their bullshit. Sad

Well, to be fair, based on past experience, any time you string a sentence together more effectively than a toddler hyped up on Mountain Dew we have to suspect outside influence.

[Parkbandit]

Amazing how the shit flingers like PB and SHM were the only ones on the board using ChatGPT to post dumb ass nonsense and now try and paint others for their bullshit. Sad

Unlike you, we actually attributed the source.

You and Solkern just post things as your own.. then when called out, claim "I WUZ NEVER SAYING I WUZ POSTING STUFF AS MY OWN!"

Because that's what retards do.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Amazing how the shit flingers like PB and SHM were the only ones on the board using ChatGPT to post dumb ass nonsense and now try and paint others for their bullshit. Sad

I only ever used chatgpt to make fun of you or debunk your idiotic strawmen. I'll continue to do so for the lulz going forward.

[Seran]

Surprise surprise, the MAGA band of Conservatives are derailing the Republican agenda in the House as retribution against Speaker McCarthy. Wonder how long until the no confidence vote to replace him is tendered.


Conservatives revolt against GOP leaders on House floor

House conservatives on Tuesday blew up an effort by GOP leadership to advance several bills in a dramatic confrontation on the House floor, the result of a revolt against the debt limit deal cut by Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) and President Biden just days before.

Eleven Republicans — most of whom are members of the conservative House Freedom Caucus — joined Democrats in voting against a rule to advance four bills related to gas stoves and regulatory reform, enough opposition to tank the rule and block the legislation from advancing to the floor.

Just before the vote closed, House Majority Leader Steve Scalise (R-La.) changed his vote to oppose the rule as well, a move that allows him to bring up the rule for another vote at a later time. The final vote was 206-220.

The revolt made for a dramatic scene on the House floor, where Scalise huddled with more than a dozen conservatives in the back of the chamber in a tense effort to flip votes and allow the bills to advance to the floor.

The normally-routine rule vote — which was scheduled to be only five minutes — went on for more than 50 minutes.

The revolt was also a reality check for McCarthy, who has been taking a victory lap after Congress passed and Biden signed a bill to suspend the debt limit that was the product of negotiations between House Republicans and the White House.

“We’re frustrated at the way this place is operating,” Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-Fla.) — one of the conservative who voted against the rule — told reporters as the vote was still happening.

“We took a stand in January to end the era of the imperial Speakership, and we’re concerned that the fundamental commitments that allowed Kevin McCarthy to assume the Speakership have been violated as a consequence of the debt limit deal. And, you know, the answer for us is to reassert House conservatives as the appropriate coalition partner for our leadership instead of them making common cause with Democrats,” he added.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4037211-conservatives-revolt-against-gop-leaders-on-house-floor/

[Methais]

Surprise surprise, the MAGA band of Conservatives are derailing the Republican agenda in the House as retribution against Speaker McCarthy. Wonder how long until the no confidence vote to replace him is tendered.

You believe all the dumb shit retards like AOC say about gas stoves, don't you?

That was a rhetorical question, because of course you do.

[Parkbandit]

You believe all the dumb shit retards like AOC say about gas stoves, don't you?

That was a rhetorical question, because of course you do.

What they say about gas stoves.. as they use gas stoves...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/11/16/66461553-0-image-a-21_1673455284888.jpg

Actually, I'm starting to believe her claims. How else can you explain how dumb she usually is?

Seran must live in a gas stove factory.

[Methais]

What they say about gas stoves.. as they use gas stoves...

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/01/11/16/66461553-0-image-a-21_1673455284888.jpg

Actually, I'm starting to believe her claims. How else can you explain how dumb she usually is?

Seran must live in a gas stove factory.

She probably thinks gas stoves are refueled at gas stations.

Which means this is also what Seran thinks.