House to Vote Against Transgender Athletes

[ClydeR]

House Republicans were set to vote Thursday on a bill to bar transgender women and girls from playing on athletic teams that correspond with their gender identity, a key campaign promise that Democrats denounced as cruel and discriminatory.

"For thousands of years in human history, we have recognized as a species that there are women and there are men who are obviously biologically different," the measure's chief sponsor, Rep. Greg Steube, R.-Fla., said during floor debate Wednesday. "Yet over the last several years there has been a perversion in our culture by the enemy, and the left completely embraced the lie to erase the lines of gender and to convince you ... gender is fluid and can be whatever you want."

More... (https://rollcall.com/2023/04/20/house-prepares-vote-on-barring-transgender-athletes-from-sports/)



It's becoming an issue in many sports. Recently, a man dressed as a women beat top ranked female players in a national chess championship. Congress needs to act to prevent something like that from happening in this country.


Stanley Omondi participated in the Kenya Open Chess Championship dressed as a female in a full niqab and made his way through the tournament until he competed against Gloria Jumba and Ampaira Shakira, according to news.au.com. Omondi was able to beat both Jumba, a former national champion, and Shakira, a top player from Uganda, which raised suspicions.

More... (https://www.foxnews.com/sports/male-chess-player-dresses-female-compete-womens-tournament)


"One of the red flags we also noticed [was] the shoes, he was wearing more masculine shoes, than feminine," he added to BBC Sport. "We also noticed he was not talking, even when he came to collect his tag, he couldn't speak, ordinarily, when you are playing, you speak to your opponent... because playing a chess game is not war its friendship."

Officials reportedly were afraid to call out Omondi at first in fear of accusations of profiling, but when they did call him out, he came clean.

Omondi registered as Millicent Awour. He admitted to his transgression in a letter, saying he had "financial needs."

[Parkbandit]

Why is it only a problem with a dude becomes a chick and plays sports and suddenly dominates.. but you never hear of a chick becoming a dude and dominating men at physical competitions?

Just keep ignoring the science and common sense.

[Methais]

Male powerlifter enters women’s event, breaks record (https://nypost.com/2023/03/30/male-powerlifter-enters-womens-event-breaks-record/)

https://i.imgur.com/YHKT0xe.png


Oxford-educated rapper 'smashes female weightlifting records while identifying as a woman' in row over transgender athletes (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6765965/Rapper-beats-female-weightlifting-records-identifying-woman.html)

https://i.imgur.com/PftbeKt.png


^ I hope this type of trolling keeps happening as long as it's being allowed.

[ClydeR]

The bill passed the House today, but just barely (https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll192.xml). If it passes the Senate and is signed by the President, it will prevent biological boys from competing in girls' chess tournaments, as I posted about earlier, as well as other sports. But it will not prohibit biological girls from competing in boys' chess tournaments and other sports.

[Tgo01]

No one is against transgender athletes. People are against men competing against women in women’s sports.

Stop being disingenuous.

[Parkbandit]

The bill passed the House today, but just barely (https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll192.xml). If it passes the Senate and is signed by the President, it will prevent biological boys from competing in girls' chess tournaments, as I posted about earlier, as well as other sports. But it will not prohibit biological girls from competing in boys' chess tournaments and other sports.

Yes. That is what every normal person is saying.. that the tranny boys are destroying girls in chess and it needs to stop.

Stop being such a pussy.

[Suppressed Poet]

The bill passed the House today, but just barely (https://clerk.house.gov/evs/2023/roll192.xml). If it passes the Senate and is signed by the President, it will prevent biological boys from competing in girls' chess tournaments, as I posted about earlier, as well as other sports. But it will not prohibit biological girls from competing in boys' chess tournaments and other sports.

Except that chess is not a sport. That’s a totally invalid & terrible example.

I suspect that you used chess because you are aware that does not require physical exertion, and you are also aware (but won’t state the obvious truth) there are differences in the sexes which give biological males a significant advantage over biological females in sports. This is something we as humans have understood for thousands of years.

sport
/spôrt/
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Edit: also, my offer still stands if you ever want to get pwned in chess.

[ClydeR]

Except that chess is not a sport. That’s a totally invalid & terrible example.

Chess most certainly is a sport. Since you've said you play chess, you're an athlete!




The International Chess Federation (FIDE) is the governing body of the sport of chess, and it regulates all international chess competitions.

More... (https://www.fide.com/fide/about-fide)



Here's Magnus' working out. As the number one chess grandmaster, he is, by definition, one of the world's leading athletes. Look at his poise and balance..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmi41H2s_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmi41H2s_s

[Suppressed Poet]

Chess most certainly is a sport. Since you've said you play chess, you're an athlete!







Here's Magnus' working out. As the number one chess grandmaster, he is, by definition, one of the world's leading athletes. Look at his poise and balance..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmi41H2s_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmi41H2s_s

Disagree.

Words have definitions.

For example, men are adult males who were born with a cock.

[Solkern]

Except that chess is not a sport. That’s a totally invalid & terrible example.

I suspect that you used chess because you are aware that does not require physical exertion, and you are also aware (but won’t state the obvious truth) there are differences in the sexes which give biological males a significant advantage over biological females in sports. This is something we as humans have understood for thousands of years.

sport
/spôrt/
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Edit: also, my offer still stands if you ever want to get pwned in chess.


I respectfully disagree, chess is indeed a sport, and by your definition, you can see the grey area involved.
A sport is a contested event, while physical exertion is needed by your definition, it comes by, how much physical exertion is required to be classified as a sport. That’s the problem.
Exertion is the physical or perceived use of energy.

Wouldn’t moving a chess piece be considered this? Lol

[Suppressed Poet]

I respectfully disagree, chess is indeed a sport, and by your definition, you can see the grey area involved.
A sport is a contested event, while physical exertion is needed by your definition, it comes by, how much physical exertion is required to be classified as a sport. That’s the problem.
Exertion is the physical or perceived use of energy.

Wouldn’t moving a chess piece be considered this? Lol

Thank you for being respectful. It’s ok that you disagree and are wrong. Lol

But seriously you lefties are killing me with your wishy-washy anybody can be anything / I can’t tell you the definition of a woman / Clinton “what is is?” logic. Chess is not a sport. The board game Monopoly is not a sport. Gemstone IV is not a sport. We don’t call people who play those games athletes just because they have to move a piece or type on a keyboard.

It’s a shame we need to even have this discussion. Honestly we shouldn’t have to legislate this kind of bullshit either, but you people (respectfully and sincerely) are fucking it up. It’s not sexist, or non-inclusive, or transphobic, or whatever other nonsense to say that a person born with a cock & balls shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports leagues designed for people born with a pussy & tiddies for very obvious reasons.

[Solkern]

Thank you for being respectful. It’s ok that you disagree and are wrong. Lol

But seriously you lefties are killing me with your wishy-washy anybody can be anything / I can’t tell you the definition of a woman / Clinton “what is is?” logic. Chess is not a sport. The board game Monopoly is not a sport. Gemstone IV is not a sport. We don’t call people who play those games athletes just because they have to move a piece or type on a keyboard.

It’s a shame we need to even have this discussion. Honestly we shouldn’t have to legislate this kind of bullshit either, but you people (respectfully and sincerely) are fucking it up. It’s not sexist, or non-inclusive, or transphobic, or whatever other nonsense to say that a person born with a cock & balls shouldn’t be allowed to compete in sports leagues designed for people born with a pussy & tiddies for very obvious reasons.

The IOC has acknowledged it as such, and since they are the closest thing to an official global body for sport governance, their ruling is pretty clear.
Of course, "sport" means different things to different people. I did some research in the early 2000's in order to ascertain the support chess was getting from various National Olympic Committees post-recognition of chess as a sport by the IOC. The lessons were pretty interesting.
First of all, it is worth noting that chess is a medal sport at some NOC competitions such as the Asian Games. People have won medals in official IOC events for playing chess. (This had a tendency of shocking most people, by the way.)
Second, "Sport" clearly means different things to different cultures. In the native English-speaking countries (United States, Canada, United Kingdom) and other places like Scandinavia, "Sport" is taken by most people to refer to "Athletic Competition". As such, chess does not qualify by most people's definitions. In Russia, Chess most certainly was considered "спорт", which referred more to "Competition" in general, without concern for whether or not athletic prowess was part of the conversation. I found that in the rest of the world, "Sport" didn't have as strong an athletic overtone as it did to native English speakers.
I'd also like to pull up an Oxford English Dictionary definition for sport (#4), including the notes:
a. An activity involving physical exertion and skill, esp. (particularly in modern use) one regulated by set rules or customs in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Freq. in pl. In early use the sense of ‘sport’ as a diversion or amusement is paramount; by the 18th and 19th centuries the term was often used with reference to hunting, shooting, and fishing (see blood, field sports at the first element). The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, water sport, etc., see the first element).
b. In pl. An occasion on which people compete in various athletic or other sporting activities. Cf. game n. 4b. In early use freq. referring to the ancient Olympic Games.
c. Participation in activities involving physical exertion and skill, (now) esp. competitive activities regulated by set rules or customs; such activities collectively.
As you can see, chess qualifies as a sport, most certainly under 4b and 4c as it is most certainly under "other sporting activities" and a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs". However, it most certainly does not qualify as a sport under 4a. I suspect the following passage gives you the clear clue:
"The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, 
cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport
as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, 
water sport, etc., see the first element)."
So, it's a sport if you define sport as a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs", and it isn't if you define it as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill". The IOC, however, says it is a sport, so I'll use that as the tiebreaker for now.

(Stole this from a persons post, as I was too lazy to write this all out and this is pretty much what I agree with)

A sport is considered a competition of skills. Monopoly and gemstone are not a skill based game. It’s a luck based game. I think chess is the only sport/game where luck plays no role.

Regarding your other comment about gender, I don’t believe in this gender bullshit. You are a man or a woman, and nothing you can do will change that.

Men should not compete in woman’s sports and other activities designed for women. I don’t give a flying fuck what you identify as. I think we need to stop promoting this gender shit. 30-40 years ago we didn’t have this fucking issue and no one have a fuck. But all these ultra left liberal pieces of shit keep pushing this worthless agenda, and giving us non crazy liberals a bad name.

I’m liberal, but I don’t agree with everything. I disagree with my fair bit.

[~Rocktar~]

The IOC has acknowledged it as such, and since they are the closest thing to an official global body for sport governance, their ruling is pretty clear.
Of course, "sport" means different things to different people. I did some research in the early 2000's in order to ascertain the support chess was getting from various National Olympic Committees post-recognition of chess as a sport by the IOC. The lessons were pretty interesting.
First of all, it is worth noting that chess is a medal sport at some NOC competitions such as the Asian Games. People have won medals in official IOC events for playing chess. (This had a tendency of shocking most people, by the way.)
Second, "Sport" clearly means different things to different cultures. In the native English-speaking countries (United States, Canada, United Kingdom) and other places like Scandinavia, "Sport" is taken by most people to refer to "Athletic Competition". As such, chess does not qualify by most people's definitions. In Russia, Chess most certainly was considered "спорт", which referred more to "Competition" in general, without concern for whether or not athletic prowess was part of the conversation. I found that in the rest of the world, "Sport" didn't have as strong an athletic overtone as it did to native English speakers.
I'd also like to pull up an Oxford English Dictionary definition for sport (#4), including the notes:
a. An activity involving physical exertion and skill, esp. (particularly in modern use) one regulated by set rules or customs in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Freq. in pl. In early use the sense of ‘sport’ as a diversion or amusement is paramount; by the 18th and 19th centuries the term was often used with reference to hunting, shooting, and fishing (see blood, field sports at the first element). The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, water sport, etc., see the first element).
b. In pl. An occasion on which people compete in various athletic or other sporting activities. Cf. game n. 4b. In early use freq. referring to the ancient Olympic Games.
c. Participation in activities involving physical exertion and skill, (now) esp. competitive activities regulated by set rules or customs; such activities collectively.
As you can see, chess qualifies as a sport, most certainly under 4b and 4c as it is most certainly under "other sporting activities" and a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs". However, it most certainly does not qualify as a sport under 4a. I suspect the following passage gives you the clear clue:
"The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, 
cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport
as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, 
water sport, etc., see the first element)."
So, it's a sport if you define sport as a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs", and it isn't if you define it as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill". The IOC, however, says it is a sport, so I'll use that as the tiebreaker for now.

(Stole this from a persons post, as I was too lazy to write this all out and this is pretty much what I agree with)

A sport is considered a competition of skills. Monopoly and gemstone are not a skill based game. It’s a luck based game. I think chess is the only sport/game where luck plays no role.

Regarding your other comment about gender, I don’t believe in this gender bullshit. You are a man or a woman, and nothing you can do will change that.

Men should not compete in woman’s sports and other activities designed for women. I don’t give a flying fuck what you identify as. I think we need to stop promoting this gender shit. 30-40 years ago we didn’t have this fucking issue and no one have a fuck. But all these ultra left liberal pieces of shit keep pushing this worthless agenda, and giving us non crazy liberals a bad name.

I’m liberal, but I don’t agree with everything. I disagree with my fair bit.

No one gives a fuck how many people agree, it's still wrong. Once upon a time, almost all people agreed that slavery was ok. Once upon a time, almost all people agreed women were less than men. Once upon a time, everyone knew the earth was flat and so on. Arguing to the masses is crap.

As to the rest, you are right, the far Leftist crap sacks have ruined it for everyone and it's going to take a lot of blood to fix it which is sad.

[Suppressed Poet]

The IOC has acknowledged it as such, and since they are the closest thing to an official global body for sport governance, their ruling is pretty clear.
Of course, "sport" means different things to different people. I did some research in the early 2000's in order to ascertain the support chess was getting from various National Olympic Committees post-recognition of chess as a sport by the IOC. The lessons were pretty interesting.
First of all, it is worth noting that chess is a medal sport at some NOC competitions such as the Asian Games. People have won medals in official IOC events for playing chess. (This had a tendency of shocking most people, by the way.)
Second, "Sport" clearly means different things to different cultures. In the native English-speaking countries (United States, Canada, United Kingdom) and other places like Scandinavia, "Sport" is taken by most people to refer to "Athletic Competition". As such, chess does not qualify by most people's definitions. In Russia, Chess most certainly was considered "спорт", which referred more to "Competition" in general, without concern for whether or not athletic prowess was part of the conversation. I found that in the rest of the world, "Sport" didn't have as strong an athletic overtone as it did to native English speakers.
I'd also like to pull up an Oxford English Dictionary definition for sport (#4), including the notes:
a. An activity involving physical exertion and skill, esp. (particularly in modern use) one regulated by set rules or customs in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Freq. in pl. In early use the sense of ‘sport’ as a diversion or amusement is paramount; by the 18th and 19th centuries the term was often used with reference to hunting, shooting, and fishing (see blood, field sports at the first element). The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, water sport, etc., see the first element).
b. In pl. An occasion on which people compete in various athletic or other sporting activities. Cf. game n. 4b. In early use freq. referring to the ancient Olympic Games.
c. Participation in activities involving physical exertion and skill, (now) esp. competitive activities regulated by set rules or customs; such activities collectively.
As you can see, chess qualifies as a sport, most certainly under 4b and 4c as it is most certainly under "other sporting activities" and a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs". However, it most certainly does not qualify as a sport under 4a. I suspect the following passage gives you the clear clue:
"The consolidation of organized sport (particularly football, rugby, 
cricket, and athletics) in the 19th cent. reinforced the notion of sport
as physical competition (for contact, motor-, racket, spectator, team, 
water sport, etc., see the first element)."
So, it's a sport if you define sport as a "competitive activity regulated by set rules or customs", and it isn't if you define it as "an activity involving physical exertion and skill". The IOC, however, says it is a sport, so I'll use that as the tiebreaker for now.

(Stole this from a persons post, as I was too lazy to write this all out and this is pretty much what I agree with)

A sport is considered a competition of skills. Monopoly and gemstone are not a skill based game. It’s a luck based game. I think chess is the only sport/game where luck plays no role.

Regarding your other comment about gender, I don’t believe in this gender bullshit. You are a man or a woman, and nothing you can do will change that.

Men should not compete in woman’s sports and other activities designed for women. I don’t give a flying fuck what you identify as. I think we need to stop promoting this gender shit. 30-40 years ago we didn’t have this fucking issue and no one have a fuck. But all these ultra left liberal pieces of shit keep pushing this worthless agenda, and giving us non crazy liberals a bad name.

I’m liberal, but I don’t agree with everything. I disagree with my fair bit.

1) This…is…’Murica! I know that you sir care deeply about the opinions of the international community, but ‘round here, in the greatest country on planet Earth, Chess is not a sport. Football is a sport. And not that gay ass futbol aka soccer BS either.

2) The second part, hell yeah. I got plenty of family and friends that are liberal as you described. Hell, my wife is what I would call a classical liberal. I won’t agree with you on a lot of things but I respect that different point of view. I may lean conservative but I’m not a crazy fascist either. For instance, our Texas Senate just passed a bill that our public schools must prominently display the 10 Commandments…that ain’t right. I’d really like us to steer back to some normalcy & focus on fixing the problems we can agree on that really matter instead of constant culture wars meant to divide us.

[Solkern]

2) The second part, hell yeah. I got plenty of family and friends that are liberal as you described. Hell, my wife is what I would call a classical liberal. I won’t agree with you on a lot of things but I respect that different point of view. I may lean conservative but I’m not a crazy fascist either. For instance, our Texas Senate just passed a bill that our public schools must prominently display the 10 Commandments…that ain’t right. I’d really like us to steer back to some normalcy & focus on fixing the problems we can agree on that really matter instead of constant culture wars meant to divide us.

Especially these pronoun shit. I don’t care what you want to be called. I’ll call you whatever the fuck I want. Your feelings don’t matter to me. I refuse to go along with it to promote this absolute ridiculousness.
We have more pressing issues in our country then your god damn butthurt feelings. Maybe if they stop making a big fucking deal about it, nobody is going to care and it wouldn’t be a big deal. They are stirring the pot themselves.

And futbol is gay.

Regarding chess, I guess it depends on what you define a sport as, is it a competition based on skill, or is an athletic competition?

[Bhaalizmo]

Regarding chess, I guess it depends on what you define a sport as, is it a competition based on skill, or is an athletic competition?

So Nascar isn't a sport? How about drone races, or RC car races? Robot boxing?

How about starcraft league competitions, or any other video game?

Shooting competitions?

Elimination ladders exist for all these things, prizes are awarded for who came out on top. Kinda seems like the same thing to me, who cares if it ruffles your feathers to see sport used to describe it.

[Solkern]

So Nascar isn't a sport? How about drone races, or RC car races? Robot boxing?

How about starcraft league competitions, or any other video game?

Shooting competitions?

Elimination ladders exist for all these things, prizes are awarded for who came out on top. Kinda seems like the same thing to me, who cares if it ruffles your feathers to see sport used to describe it.


Sorry maybe I should have defined it better. A competition based on skill, with a universally recognized governing body. Shooting yes, video games and board games have RNG, or heavily luck based, which takes away from the skill involved

NASCAR is a sport.

[ClydeR]

Once upon a time, almost all people agreed that slavery was ok. Once upon a time, almost all people agreed women were less than men. Once upon a time, everyone knew the earth was flat and so on. Arguing to the masses is crap.


The current public consensus is always correct. That's why it's so important to influence the current consensus. You can change what is true by convincing enough people. Although that may sound silly, it's currently true.

[ClydeR]

The real question here, the legal question, is whether or not the bill passed by the House would prohibit transgender boys from competing in girls' chess competitions or any other sport where there is no biological advantage for boys. We already know that it would not prohibit transgender girls from competing in boys' sporting events, regardless of the nature of the event.

[Gelston]

NASCAR isn’t a sport. It is sitting in a car turning left.

[Methais]

Except that chess is not a sport. That’s a totally invalid & terrible example.

I suspect that you used chess because you are aware that does not require physical exertion, and you are also aware (but won’t state the obvious truth) there are differences in the sexes which give biological males a significant advantage over biological females in sports. This is something we as humans have understood for thousands of years.

sport
/spôrt/
noun
1. an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.

Edit: also, my offer still stands if you ever want to get pwned in chess.

ClydeR is a ginormous retard that I'm still not convinced isn't Latrinsorm, which would explain most of why he's always being such a retarded vaginahead.

[Methais]

NASCAR isn’t a sport. It is sitting in a car turning left.

https://i.imgur.com/iX35mEn.png

[Solkern]

NASCAR isn’t a sport. It is sitting in a car turning left.

NASCAR is more than just a driver.

pit crews train as hard as any other athletes in any other sport. They must jack up half of their 3000+pound car, change four tires, add 20+ gallons of fuel to the fuel tank, and make no mistakes over the span of 15ish seconds.

Not to mention what the driver is put through, withstanding what 3G’s for 3ish hours? That takes both mental and physical strength.

I think extreme rollercoasters hit the same G force, but for like 2-3 seconds and still some people can’t handle it and throw up. Imagine experiencing that for 3 hours.
A spaceship has about the same about of Gs during take off.

You need to be in top physical condition to handle it.

[Parkbandit]

NASCAR is more than just a driver.

pit crews train as hard as any other athletes in any other sport. They must jack up half of their 3000+pound car, change four tires, add 20+ gallons of fuel to the fuel tank, and make no mistakes over the span of 15ish seconds.

Not to mention what the driver is put through, withstanding what 3G’s for 3ish hours? That takes both mental and physical strength.

I think extreme rollercoasters hit the same G force, but for like 2-3 seconds and still some people can’t handle it and throw up. Imagine experiencing that for 3 hours.
A spaceship has about the same about of Gs during take off.

You need to be in top physical condition to handle it.

Women can do just as well as men in NASCAR. Know how I know this? There have been women in NASCAR.

Women can't do just as well as men in basketball/football/swimming/golf/etc.. Know how I know this? There is a separate league for men and women.

Stop conflating the issue. Stop normalizing men participating against women in physical sports and dominating.

Follow the science.

[Methais]

So weird how there are never any "trans men" competing in men's sports.

[Solkern]

Women can do just as well as men in NASCAR. Know how I know this? There have been women in NASCAR.

Women can't do just as well as men in basketball/football/swimming/golf/etc.. Know how I know this? There is a separate league for men and women.

Stop conflating the issue. Stop normalizing men participating against women in physical sports and dominating.

Follow the science.

Ok? I never mentioned anything about men or women. I’m saying why NASCAR is a sport…

Maybe if you read back, I clearly state I’m 100% against men in women sports.

[Solkern]

Men should not compete in woman’s sports and other activities designed for women. I don’t give a flying fuck what you identify as. I think we need to stop promoting this gender shit. 30-40 years ago we didn’t have this fucking issue and no one have a fuck. But all these ultra left liberal pieces of shit keep pushing this worthless agenda, and giving us non crazy liberals a bad name.

I’m liberal, but I don’t agree with everything. I disagree with my fair bit.

I even made it bold for you.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/free-speech-under-attack-triggered-080001983.html

"Free speech under attack: 'Triggered' students mob athlete who spoke about women's sports"

They convince you that racism is worse now, than in the past.
They convince you that men are actually women.
They convince you you're crazy if you believe otherwise.

The morons outnumber the sane, and their insanity is amplified by the politicians and media solely for power.

The Democratic Party is doing a good job of reinstating segregation in our communities, and relegating women to positions of indifference. The only difference between now and 60+ years ago, is they figured out to use nice words to fool all of the morons.

[Methais]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/free-speech-under-attack-triggered-080001983.html

"Free speech under attack: 'Triggered' students mob athlete who spoke about women's sports"

They convince you that racism is worse now, than in the past.
They convince you that men are actually women.
They convince you you're crazy if you believe otherwise.

The morons outnumber the sane, and their insanity is amplified by the politicians and media solely for power.

The Democratic Party is doing a good job of reinstating segregation in our communities, and relegating women to positions of indifference. The only difference between now and 60+ years ago, is they figured out to use nice words to fool all of the morons.

How is yahoo just now posting this when it was plastered everywhere else a week or two ago?

[Solkern]

How is yahoo just now posting this when it was plastered everywhere else a week or two ago?

It’s yahoo… they are the internet explorer of news.

[Gelston]

NASCAR is more than just a driver.

pit crews train as hard as any other athletes in any other sport. They must jack up half of their 3000+pound car, change four tires, add 20+ gallons of fuel to the fuel tank, and make no mistakes over the span of 15ish seconds.

Not to mention what the driver is put through, withstanding what 3G’s for 3ish hours? That takes both mental and physical strength.

I think extreme rollercoasters hit the same G force, but for like 2-3 seconds and still some people can’t handle it and throw up. Imagine experiencing that for 3 hours.
A spaceship has about the same about of Gs during take off.

You need to be in top physical condition to handle it.

No. It is sitting in a car and turning left. I don't consider myself an athlete for driving from California to Louisiana and back several times. I'm not in training for the big game when I drive to Krogers for groceries.

It isn't a sport.

[kutter]

Actually the Rednecks have several road courses so it is not always turning left...just saying

[Bhaalizmo]

Actually the Rednecks have several road courses so it is not always turning left...just saying

Now what Gelston? They turn right AND left in a very sporting manner.

[Solkern]

No. It is sitting in a car and turning left. I don't consider myself an athlete for driving from California to Louisiana and back several times. I'm not in training for the big game when I drive to Krogers for groceries.

It isn't a sport.

I guess football isn’t a sport either? I don’t consider myself an athlete when I play catch in the backyard or a park and I’m not training for the big game when I do that.

Comparing what you do, against professional drivers, in a race settings just isn’t the same.
Just like comparing what I do, to professional football players, just isn’t the same.

[Suppressed Poet]

Actually the Rednecks have several road courses so it is not always turning left...just saying

Just the good ole boys…never meaning no harm…

https://media.tenor.com/jjuP1FaScjcAAAAd/general-lee-dukes-of-hazzard.gif

[Solkern]

Just the good ole boys…never meaning no harm…

https://media.tenor.com/jjuP1FaScjcAAAAd/general-lee-dukes-of-hazzard.gif

Racist. Reported.

[Suppressed Poet]

Racist. Reported.

Hey in Russia, is either the old USSR or Russian Empire flag banned?

(Yes I realize I could Google that.)

[Solkern]

Hey in Russia, is either the old USSR or Russian Empire flag banned?

(Yes I realize I could Google that.)


Honestly, no clue, I’d have to ask on Google as well lol

I’ll assume the Russian empire flag though, as they still fly the USSR flag in some places. But I didn’t know the Russian empire flag was banned.

[Suppressed Poet]

Honestly, no clue, I’d have to ask on Google as well lol

I’ll assume the Russian empire flag though, as they still fly the USSR flag in some places. But I didn’t know the Russian empire flag was banned.

Couple years ago I went on a guy’s trip to this place called Broken Bow, Oklahoma (rent a cabin and there is a nice lake out there). We all got piss drunk the first night. I was the first one up and made breakfast. My buddy Rob though…he was in a state of severe mental anguish from too much alcohol (and maybe some other stuff). He wouldn’t leave his room or get out of bed. So, naturally, we decided to fuck with him & force his hungover ass to wake the hell up. He is always going on about the commies. Commie this and commie that (given this was 2021 still in the Covid era weirdness so cut him some slack). So I have this handy little Bluetooth boombox that I placed in his room and cranked on full LOUD MaXiMuM volume a repeat loop of Soviet March from Command & Conquer 3 (linked below for reference just in case you are unfamiliar). He got up, but he broke my damn radio and still bitches about how horrible waking up to that shit was to this very day.


https://youtu.be/t-VbAZcyZ_U

[Realk]

i didn't read the entire thread, because on page two everyone decided to discuss what is a sport and what is not a sport.. But if there is a men and a women's league... That's for a reason, it should be kept that way for the most part. IDC if a girl wants to play middle school football or whatever, but identify as as female as an adult male to win something is fucking insane.

chess and nascar are two examples of sports that shouldn't need a gender distinction in the 'sport'

[Solkern]

Couple years ago I went on a guy’s trip to this place called Broken Bow, Oklahoma (rent a cabin and there is a nice lake out there). We all got piss drunk the first night. I was the first one up and made breakfast. My buddy Rob though…he was in a state of severe mental anguish from too much alcohol (and maybe some other stuff). He wouldn’t leave his room or get out of bed. So, naturally, we decided to fuck with him & force his hungover ass to wake the hell up. He is always going on about the commies. Commie this and commie that (given this was 2021 still in the Covid era weirdness so cut him some slack). So I have this handy little Bluetooth boombox that I placed in his room and cranked on full LOUD MaXiMuM volume a repeat loop of Soviet March from Command & Conquer 3 (linked below for reference just in case you are unfamiliar). He got up, but he broke my damn radio and still bitches about how horrible waking up to that shit was to this very day.


https://youtu.be/t-VbAZcyZ_U

I bet he suffers from PTSD from that lol


i didn't read the entire thread, because on page two everyone decided to discuss what is a sport and what is not a sport.. But if there is a men and a women's league... That's for a reason, it should be kept that way for the most part. IDC if a girl wants to play middle school football or whatever, but identify as as female as an adult male to win something is fucking insane.

chess and nascar are two examples of sports that shouldn't need a gender distinction in the 'sport'


100% agree.

[Gelston]

I guess football isn’t a sport either? I don’t consider myself an athlete when I play catch in the backyard or a park and I’m not training for the big game when I do that.

Comparing what you do, against professional drivers, in a race settings just isn’t the same.
Just like comparing what I do, to professional football players, just isn’t the same.

Driving is something everybody does. Football is not.

Good chat.

[Solkern]

Driving is something everybody does. Football is not.

Good chat.


Yeah, not really. It’s what 16-18% of people drive? That’s far from “everybody”

Your reasoning on why nascar isn’t a sport, just doesn’t work and stupid.

If we go by your logic, track and field isn’t a sport either, almost everybody runs and jumps.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yeah, not really. It’s what 16-18% of people drive? That’s far from “everybody”

Your reasoning on why nascar isn’t a sport, just doesn’t work.

You need to narrow your mind. In America everybody drives or has at least played a Crusi’n USA arcade game. Outside our borders a lot of folks live in houses made from shit & have never seen a car before. Teaching them to drive would be like trying to show apes how to control fire.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, not really. It’s what 16-18% of people drive? That’s far from “everybody”

Your reasoning on why nascar isn’t a sport, just doesn’t work and stupid.

If we go by your logic, track and field isn’t a sport either, almost everybody runs and jumps.

84.1% of the US population has a drivers license.

[Solkern]

You need to narrow your mind. In America everybody drives or has at least played a Crusi’n USA arcade game. Outside our borders a lot of folks live in houses made from shit & have never seen a car before. Teaching them to drive would be like trying to show apes how to control fire.

Except NASCAR isn’t only in the states, so it would only be fair to broaden my mind a little bit.

Doesn’t change the fact that all because a lot of people do something, means it’s not a sport. His argument was absolutely silly. Once again referencing my track and field comment. Everybody runs and jumps, so I guess track and field isn’t a sport either? Based on his logic.

[Gelston]

Except NASCAR isn’t only in the states, so it would only be fair to broaden my mind a little bit.

Doesn’t change the fact that all because a lot of people do something, means it’s not a sport. His argument was absolutely silly. Once again referencing my track and field comment. Everybody runs and jumps, so I guess track and field isn’t a sport either? Based on his logic.

NASCAR, or NATIONAL Association of Stock Car Auto Racing, is headquartered in Florida and North Carolina. There have only been 11 drivers that were not US Citizens, 4 of them being Canadian.

NASCAR isn't a sport. Neither is drone racing.

As far as I'm concerned, anything using mechanical devices and not just human or human/animal strength isn't a sport. I honestly don't give a fuck what your arguments against it are, because they are wrong and you are wrong.

Nice chat kiddo, later.

[Shaps]

Fuck NASCAR.... Formula 1 is where it's at.

[Gelston]

Fuck NASCAR.... Formula 1 is where it's at.

Formula 1 is gay euro crap.

[Parkbandit]

Except NASCAR isn’t only in the states, so it would only be fair to broaden my mind a little bit.

That's like saying that the NFL plays in Mexico and Europe once in a while, so I should just use the entire world as my stat base.


Doesn’t change the fact that all because a lot of people do something, means it’s not a sport. His argument was absolutely silly. Once again referencing my track and field comment. Everybody runs and jumps, so I guess track and field isn’t a sport either? Based on his logic.

I agree that NASCAR is a sport, but it's not a sport where men have an unfair advantage over women due to their muscle mass.

[Shaps]

Formula 1 is gay euro crap.

Lol :P

[Solkern]

As far as I'm concerned, anything using mechanical devices and not just human or human/animal strength isn't a sport.

1. It’s not a sport because everyone does it!
Realizes how stupid his argument is, and decides to move the goal post!
2. It’s not a sport because of a completely different reason!
3. I winz!!

Lol.
Where a sport is headquartered means nothing. Baseball is played all over the world. Doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s pick this stupid point apart as well.
I guess cycling, and any shooting event isn’t a sport as well, because they both use mechanical devices.

[Tgo01]

Cycling uses muscles and shooting requires aiming.

[Solkern]

Cycling uses muscles and shooting requires aiming.

Both require a mechanical device to do the sport.
And does aiming a gun really have more physical exertion, than driving a car at high speeds while fighting off fatigue and G-forces for 3 hours? No, not really.

I don’t care if you think so and so isn’t a sport. Your choice, but at least come up with valid reasons, not “everybody does it!, so it can’t be a sport!”

[Solkern]

I agree that NASCAR is a sport, but it's not a sport where men have an unfair advantage over women due to their muscle mass.

100% agree but there are other sports, where women have proved to be just as good as men, where they separate men vs women

No, this is NOT me advocating that men should play with/against women, I’m 100% against it.

But in Tennis, a 6x champion Bobby Riggs challenged any woman to a match in tennis and said there was no way a woman could ever beat a man, dude lost in 3 straight sets to Billy Jean King. It had more views than the Super Bowl.

There were claims it was rigged, and people bring up the age gap. But the dude call her out, challenged her and lost.

[Tgo01]

I think Gelston's point is barrier to entry for being competitive in these sports.

Like you can't just pick up a gun and be competitive in shooting. Likewise I'm sure you can't just get into a car and start competing in NASCAR, but it's probably not as involved as learning to shoot or being competitive in biking.

But maybe I'm wrong and you need years of experience to drive a car around a course.

[Solkern]

I think Gelston's point is barrier to entry for being competitive in these sports.

Like you can't just pick up a gun and be competitive in shooting. Likewise I'm sure you can't just get into a car and start competing in NASCAR, but it's probably not as involved as learning to shoot or being competitive in biking.

But maybe I'm wrong and you need years of experience to drive a car around a course.

If you jumped in a NASCAR and competed in a race, the first thing you would say is, I’m about to get my ass kicked. You have negative chance to be competitive… but you’ve been driving all your life. The same could be said for any sport baseball, football, hockey etc etc. it’s a different world.

Driving a car competitively takes years and year and years of hard work, dedication and training, and much like other sports a life long journey to hone their skill.

Drafting, understanding your car’s dimensions, weight, performance and handling perfectly, changing gears perfectly, down shifting correctly, Perfect muscle memory, not to mention the mental and physical endurance to do it for 3 hours while continuing to be at top mental and physical ability to maintain your split second decision making etc... the smallest of mistakes can mean the difference between winning, losing or possible death…the same as shooting a gun. Anything in a competitive professional setting takes years and years of dedication. From throwing darts to playing chess.

Do you need to hit the weight room to drive a car? Nope, but the same could be said for a lot of sports.

[Neveragain]

1. It’s not a sport because everyone does it!
Realizes how stupid his argument is, and decides to move the goal post!
2. It’s not a sport because of a completely different reason!
3. I winz!!

Lol.
Where a sport is headquartered means nothing. Baseball is played all over the world. Doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s pick this stupid point apart as well.
I guess cycling, and any shooting event isn’t a sport as well, because they both use mechanical devices.

Car racing isn't a sport. Just like being a NY city taxi driver isn't a sport.

[Solkern]

Car racing isn't a sport. Just like being a NY city taxi driver isn't a sport.

Are your referring to car racing, or NASCAR? Because they can be very different.
And why isn’t it a sport?

[Parkbandit]

100% agree but there are other sports, where women have proved to be just as good as men, where they separate men vs women

No, this is NOT me advocating that men should play with/against women, I’m 100% against it.

But in Tennis, a 6x champion Bobby Riggs challenged any woman to a match in tennis and said there was no way a woman could ever beat a man, dude lost in 3 straight sets to Billy Jean King. It had more views than the Super Bowl.

There were claims it was rigged, and people bring up the age gap. But the dude call her out, challenged her and lost.

There is a reason there is a womens tennis league and there is a mens tennis league.

1 match does not make a trend. We have thousands of years of history that says a man would normally beat a woman in a physical sport.

[Solkern]

There is a reason there is a womens tennis league and there is a mens tennis league.

1 match does not make a trend. We have thousands of years of history that says a man would normally beat a woman in a physical sport.

Yup! I 100% concur.

[Neveragain]

Are your referring to car racing, or NASCAR? Because they can be very different.
And why isn’t it a sport?

Every skill requires time and commitment to become a master at that skill, that doesn't make every skill a sport. The Olympic committee has always been pretty specific about what is considered an athletic sport, car racing will never pass that test.

The purest sport is fighting, such as boxing, wrestling, martial arts..etc. Not fucking car racing.

[Parkbandit]

Yup! I 100% concur.

You keep saying that... but posting things that make it sound like you are not 100%.

Maybe you are 50/50, like usual?

[Solkern]

Every skill requires time and commitment to become a master at that skill, that doesn't make every skill a sport. The Olympic committee has always been pretty specific about what is considered an athletic sport, car racing will never pass that test.

The purest sport is fighting, such as boxing, wrestling, martial arts..etc. Not fucking car racing.

Yet, they consider chess a sport… you know this right?
So chess is a sport, but NASCAR isn’t… gotcha.

[Gelston]

1. It’s not a sport because everyone does it!
Realizes how stupid his argument is, and decides to move the goal post!
2. It’s not a sport because of a completely different reason!
3. I winz!!

Lol.
Where a sport is headquartered means nothing. Baseball is played all over the world. Doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s pick this stupid point apart as well.
I guess cycling, and any shooting event isn’t a sport as well, because they both use mechanical devices.

It isn't a sport because you are a massive Russian cock sucking retard.

[Gelston]

Cycling uses muscles and shooting requires aiming.

Cycling uses human muscles to operate. Also, the best cyclists have 1 testicle.

[Solkern]

It isn't a sport because you are a massive Russian cock sucking retard.

Conversation with Gelston:
1. It’s not a sport cause everyone does it!
Realizes his reasoning is retarded, and moves the goalpost.
2. It’s because it’s mechanical!
Realizes this next reason is just as retarded.
3. I’ll just throw an insult cause I’m an idiot. DUR!

Good chat bro.

[Solkern]

Cycling uses human muscles to operate.

Is this your sad attempt to move the goal post again?

Guess what? NASCAR requires human muscles to operate as well. DUR!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Whether NASCAR is considered a sport is a topic of debate. Some people argue that it is a sport because it involves physical exertion and skill, with drivers experiencing high levels of G-forces during races and requiring a great deal of focus and strategic thinking. Others argue that NASCAR is not a sport because it primarily involves driving a car rather than engaging in physical activity, and does not require a high level of athleticism. Ultimately, whether or not NASCAR is considered a sport may come down to individual interpretation and personal opinion.

[Gelston]

Conversation with Gelston:
1. It’s not a sport cause everyone does it!
Realizes his reasoning is retarded, and moves the goalpost.
2. It’s because it’s mechanical!
Realizes this next reason is just as retarded.
3. I’ll just throw an insult cause I’m an idiot. DUR!

Good chat bro.




Is this your sad attempt to move the goal post again?

Guess what? NASCAR requires human muscles to operate as well. DUR!

I'm not moving any bar. I literally couldn't give a fuck less about your trying to say NASCAR is a sport. In my eye it isn't and nothing you say can change that, so I'm just going to waste your time and troll the fuck out of you, because it is easy to do.

[Realk]

i'll just say that Nascar is a chess game between some players with a few who can play it and the rest play checkers. It's all team in my opinion you could trade out a driver any day and get the same results. as to the original thought though. Trans people have no right to compete in womens sports.. that's just stupid

[Solkern]

I'm not moving any bar. I literally couldn't give a fuck less about your trying to say NASCAR is a sport. In my eye it isn't and nothing you say can change that, so I'm just going to waste your time and troll the fuck out of you, because it is easy to do.


Of course. Moving those heavy goal posts is difficult, might want to take a break and drink some water, so you can think of something else stupid to say.
1. Everyone does it!
2. It’s mechanical!
3. insults!
3. I’m trolling!
4.
5.
Preparing for your next two bullshit excuses.

Good chat bro.

[Neveragain]

Of course. Moving those heavy goal posts is difficult, might want to take a break and drink some water, so you can think of something else stupid to say.
1. Everyone does it!
2. It’s mechanical!
3. insults!
3. I’m trolling!
4.
5.
Preparing for your next two bullshit excuses.

Good chat bro.

Calm down. There's no need to get angry because racing cars isn't a sport.

[Tgo01]

I really had no opinion on NASCAR being a sport or not, but I now I want to lean towards the "not a sport" camp just to see Solkern continue to lose it.

[Parkbandit]

I agree that NASCAR is a sport, but it's not a sport where men have an unfair advantage over women due to their muscle mass.

My mind has been changed.

I no longer believe NASCAR is a sport.

[Methais]

Everybody runs and jumps

I'd wager that there is a sizeable portion of the GS playerbase that does neither.

[drumpel]

Wow. I can't believe I have to be the one that says this,
https://i.gifer.com/7ZkL.gif

This thread has turned into a bunch of Seran's crying about what's a sport and what's not a sport (NASCAR and chess).

[Methais]

1. It’s not a sport because everyone does it!
Realizes how stupid his argument is, and decides to move the goal post!
2. It’s not a sport because of a completely different reason!
3. I winz!!

Lol.
Where a sport is headquartered means nothing. Baseball is played all over the world. Doesn’t change anything.

Now let’s pick this stupid point apart as well.
I guess cycling, and any shooting event isn’t a sport as well, because they both use mechanical devices.

Is competitive eating (https://www.topendsports.com/sport/list/competitive-eating.htm) a sport?

https://i.imgur.com/laeP8T1.png

[Methais]

I think Gelston's point is barrier to entry for being competitive in these sports.

Like you can't just pick up a gun and be competitive in shooting. Likewise I'm sure you can't just get into a car and start competing in NASCAR, but it's probably not as involved as learning to shoot or being competitive in biking.

But maybe I'm wrong and you need years of experience to drive a car around a course.

Have you seen the way some people drive, even on just a flat straight road? Half the people on the road can't even handle that shit.

[Methais]

Every skill requires time and commitment to become a master at that skill, that doesn't make every skill a sport. The Olympic committee has always been pretty specific about what is considered an athletic sport, car racing will never pass that test.

The purest sport is fighting, such as boxing, wrestling, martial arts..etc. Not fucking car racing.

The purest sport is CHALLENGE PISSING, of which men have a clear advantage.


https://youtu.be/PO83gAYHLWs

[~Rocktar~]

Is competitive eating (https://www.topendsports.com/sport/list/competitive-eating.htm) a sport?

https://i.imgur.com/laeP8T1.png

Watch BeardMeatsFood on YouTube, the guy is hysterical. Katina Eats Kilos is also fun to watch from time to time.

[~Rocktar~]

The purest sport is CHALLENGE PISSING, of which men have a clear advantage.


https://youtu.be/PO83gAYHLWs

Women are going to try and compete too.

http://us.shewee.com

[Gelston]

Of course. Moving those heavy goal posts is difficult, might want to take a break and drink some water, so you can think of something else stupid to say.
1. Everyone does it!
2. It’s mechanical!
3. insults!
3. I’m trolling!
4.
5.
Preparing for your next two bullshit excuses.

Good chat bro.

Look at the way I usually post, and look how I responded to you. Yeah, you're a tard.

Also, NASCAR still is not a sport.

[Shaps]

Is competitive eating (https://www.topendsports.com/sport/list/competitive-eating.htm) a sport?

https://i.imgur.com/laeP8T1.png

This is utterly disturbing to me. Sure I've seen them over the years (ESPN, or a Youtube vid).. but the concept of gorging oneself... on essentially the amount of food that would feed a person for a month... in 10 minutes... is just... uggg.

It is impressive, no doubt... just disturbing.

[~Rocktar~]

This is utterly disturbing to me. Sure I've seen them over the years (ESPN, or a Youtube vid).. but the concept of gorging oneself... on essentially the amount of food that would feed a person for a month... in 10 minutes... is just... uggg.

It is impressive, no doubt... just disturbing.

10K calories doesn't feed a person for a week.

[Shaps]

10K calories doesn't feed a person for a week.

It's an over exaggeration to highlight a point.

[Gelston]

10K calories doesn't feed a person for a week.

You can survive on 5600 calories a week, as long as you get the correct nutrients. That is a minimum though.

[Suppressed Poet]

You can survive on 5600 calories a week, as long as you get the correct nutrients. That is a minimum though.

I’m no nutritionist, but I’m fairly certain I’d be unable to survive on 5600 calories a week / 800 calorie a day diet for any long period of time. Maybe you can survive that under the most ideal conditions like if you were 4’11”, weighed 85 pounds, and never removed your ass from the couch. Me at 6’3”, weighing 220, and living a fairly active lifestyle that would have me looking like a holocaust victim in just a few weeks.

[~Rocktar~]

I’m no nutritionist, but I’m fairly certain I’d be unable to survive on 5600 calories a week / 800 calorie a day diet for any long period of time. Maybe you can survive that under the most ideal conditions like if you were 4’11”, weighed 85 pounds, and never removed your ass from the couch. Me at 6’3”, weighing 220, and living a fairly active lifestyle that would have me looking like a holocaust victim in just a few weeks.

I could, for a couple weeks but I have reserves, depending on activity level would depend on when I ran out. But yeah, a month or so would be real unhealthy, past that, possibly life threatening.

[Gelston]

No you can survive on it, especially if all you do is play video games or something all day. I never said you’d live a productive life, but if you had no need to work, it is 100% doable. 10000 a week even more.