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longshot
05-13-2005, 02:13 AM
Unreal.
This takeover bid by Glazer values Manchester United at 1.5 billion dollars.
To put this in perspective, the most expensive franchise in American sports is the Yankees at 900 million dollars... and they even have their own TV network.
I'm sure everyone in England is thrilled about this...
:no:
Sylph
05-13-2005, 03:56 AM
Everyone true English Football fan... even someone like me(who hates manchester united) wishes the Glazer family would die in a fire.
Originally posted by longshot
To put this in perspective, the most expensive franchise in American sports is the Yankees at 900 million dollars... and they even have their own TV network.
Not true, but close.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/sportsbusiness/news/story?page=forbes
Glazer's been trying to buy them for awhile now but theres a lot of issues with an American owner apparently.
What about the fact the premiership is held together by funds from Budweiser?
What about how Chelsea were taken over by a russian bazillionaire?
Weren't Man U orginally owned by faceless multi-share holders from all over the world?
Basicly , who really gives a shit as long as all the players in the team are good solid English stock . .
Oh wait.
:ohshit:
Nieninque
05-13-2005, 05:21 AM
I was listening to this on the radio this morning.
He has some work to do to win over the Man Utd fans, proposing to put them £300 in debt ($600 million).
Some of us are quietly laughing to ourselves at the fact that the same people who benefitted over the last 10 or so years at Man Ure's success after they sold their soul to the devil (became a PLC) are now moaning because of the fact that they are a PLC.
Harsh world :smilegrin:
Originally posted by Nieninque
I was listening to this on the radio this morning.
He has some work to do to win over the Man Utd fans, proposing to put them £300 in debt ($600 million).
Some of us are quietly laughing to ourselves at the fact that the same people who benefitted over the last 10 or so years at Man Ure's success after they sold their soul to the devil (became a PLC) are now moaning because of the fact that they are a PLC.
Harsh world :smilegrin:
I would 'ave loved to be interested in this topic. really I would.
Sadly I stopped paying attention to football after Leeds Utd went into administration.
:flame:
Miss X
05-13-2005, 07:06 AM
I'm not even quietly laughing, I'm full on hee-hawing with laughter at every Man U fan I know. I did grow up in a Man City supporting family though so my hatred for them is only natural.
You're right though Drayal, the Leeds thing got me too, I think a lot of Leeds fans are finding this situation pretty amusing right now though. All this debt cannot be a good thing, it will all end in tears I'm sure.
I suppose a lot of people are getting pissed at all of the 'foreigners' coming and taking over our national game but come on, it's not like all of our teams are filled with English players anyway.
Nieninque
05-13-2005, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by Miss X
I suppose a lot of people are getting pissed at all of the 'foreigners' coming and taking over our national game but come on, it's not like all of our teams are filled with English players anyway.
Also ironic is Man Ure's protestations that the new man is not local, when that mirros the majority of their fan-base :P
Originally posted by Nieninque
Originally posted by Miss X
I suppose a lot of people are getting pissed at all of the 'foreigners' coming and taking over our national game but come on, it's not like all of our teams are filled with English players anyway.
Also ironic is Man Ure's protestations that the new man is not local, when that mirros the majority of their fan-base :P
Coupled with that if they didn't have such a broad fan base they wouldn't be worth nearly as much.
Atlanteax
05-13-2005, 10:04 AM
Soccer is not a Sport.
When will people learn?
"If you cannot use your hands" (nevermind the goalie) "it is not a real sport".
Sylph
05-13-2005, 03:58 PM
Heh... Glazer is going to throw MORE than $600 Million in Debt on the Club.
He's also going to give them one hundred million british pounds for transfers over the next five years... WHICH WILL NOT keep them competitive.
No one wants to play for a PIMP who will whore out their club to try to make money.
He just killed what made Manchester United so popular.
I hate the red devils but they deserve better than this dipshit.
Keller
05-13-2005, 04:41 PM
Originally posted by Atlanteax
Soccer is not a Sport.
When will people learn?
"If you cannot use your hands" (nevermind the goalie) "it is not a real sport".
Said by a man who plays basketball in combat boots.
Troll much?
Nieninque
05-14-2005, 01:22 PM
Originally posted by Sylph
Heh... Glazer is going to throw MORE than $600 Million in Debt on the Club.
He's also going to give them one hundred million british pounds for transfers over the next five years... WHICH WILL NOT keep them competitive.
No one wants to play for a PIMP who will whore out their club to try to make money.
He just killed what made Manchester United so popular.
I hate the red devils but they deserve better than this dipshit.
Actually, he is investing around £50 mil of his own money and the rest of the money he is using for the take-over is coming from bank-loans...Leeds United anyone?
Don't , please don't.
The letters LUFC make me want to cry since . . well, y know.
Admi. . admini . .
I can't say it.
Sean of the Thread
05-14-2005, 02:24 PM
The guy is pure business genious. I don't see what you limey *edit* are sweating about. Obviously it was the shareholders who put him in the position to muscle a buy out.
I am worried however because he also owns my Tampa Bay Bucs which are on a decline. This investment can mean alot of bad things for our already tough sports here in town... time will tell.
Oh and GO CELTS! fuk man u.
[Edited on 5-14-2005 by HarmNone]
StrayRogue
05-14-2005, 02:25 PM
Slyph you don't actually know what made Man U popular so STFU. Basically its a load of whining. I think he'll do them good. These retards think that it is all about the game when they've been the biggest money makers for the last decade. Oh and Longshot, Man U has its own TV channel.
Sylph
05-14-2005, 05:53 PM
Stray; Its bad for FOOTBALL its bad for ENGLAND its bad for Manchester United.
Its also NOT whining because I hate Man U and wish bad things upon them... but this is a bit too much.
StrayRogue
05-14-2005, 06:01 PM
You seem to forget the team was already owned by two buisnessmen or the fact that Man Utd are already a massive buisness involved with merchandise, restaraunts, hotels, casino's and a bit of football. You also don't seem to give a good reason as to WHY it is a bad thing. Fear of change much?
It will be like every other hyped changes in football history: the moment he gets them a decent player or a championship they'll love him.
Sean of the Thread
05-14-2005, 06:07 PM
Originally posted by Sylph
Stray; Its bad for FOOTBALL its bad for ENGLAND its bad for Manchester United.
Its also NOT whining because I hate Man U and wish bad things upon them... but this is a bit too much.
How is it bad exactly. The Glazers are one of the BEST business men in the world. Theyown all kinds of shit from resteraunts to NFL and now some limey futbol team. He doesn't CARE who is on the team or how they play or even what color their uniforms are. He DOES care who he puts in charge to run the show and make it even more successfull. This guy is VERY hands off and all he wants to do is make money. To make money MAN U will have to succeed on an even greater level. He is good at putting the right people in charge. Do you think he assumed the debt and the team at that expense if he thought he couldn't make the team better and make him even more rich??? Cmon man.. this is in no way a bad thing unless you Hate Jewish Americans.
[Edited on 5-14-2005 by Xyelin]
Sylph
05-14-2005, 07:24 PM
It wasn't owned by two businessmen.... They owned 28% of the football club.
Manchester United(Who I hate so I hate arguing for them but anyway) had a majority of their profits going directly to transfer fee money. They were the team able to splash 30-60million british pounds a year if they wished on transfering new talent. Glazer will be taking their vast profits and pocketing them... Glazer has budgeted Manchester United to have 100million british pounds to use for transfers FOR FIVE YEARS.
Chelsea has basically unlimited funds and there are rumours of a 100million euro transfering of Adriano to Chelsea. Manchester United can't compare...
Arsenal have freed up 45million british pounds for transfers this summer. Thats double what Manchester United NOW has to use in the market.
Sir Alex Ferguson is a wanker but hes a brilliant manager and commands respect from players, clubs, fans, and managers all over the world. Apparently, he is going to retire and end his time at Manchester United.
If Sir Alex Ferguson leaves Manchester United.... Roy Keane said is going to walk away from Manchester United and join Celtic for the rest of his footballing career. He is Man U's captain and holding midfielder. 20million will not buy a replacement for him even though he is reaching the end of his career.
Footballers don't want to play for a business man who doesn't care about their achievements. Footballers don't want to be neck deep in drama/scandel or anything else that distracts their career.
So... This directly leads to Manchester United having their transfer funds gutted; Their manager, who is an irreplacable part of their team, might walk away(Not definate); Their captain will walk away if their manager quits; The players they target for transfers won't want to go there(This isn't the USA... A player has power on where hes sent); LASTLY The fans are planning to Boycott Man U Merchandise and there will be a drop in attendance.
How is this not bad for Manchester United?
All this leads to the team being less effective and losing its football power. That is another English squad that will not be moving far in the UEFA Cup or Champion's League. Thats bad for English Football.
The top two teams in England will be Arsenal and Chelsea and Manchester United will move into the middle of the pack.
Thats bad for English Football.
I don't care what Glazer did with an NFL team... That league is the perfect set up and a monkey could make money with an NFL squad.
It all boils down to this; It weakens a team-It weakens English football
You think the two-thousand fans that have been outside Theatre of Dreams since Glazer showed interested burning things and protesting and such would show him something.
You think Shareholders United polling the fanbase and showing that 95% of Manchester United fans did not want Glazer have ANY involvement would have deterred him a bit...
Its another case of a stupid fucking yank who is pushing his way into somewhere where he isn't wanted.
StrayRogue
05-14-2005, 07:45 PM
ROFL. You don't actually know much about football do you? How long has Ferguson been claiming he'll leave? Only five years? He won't leave until he's forced to walk away even after the next two seasons when he's meant to leave again. As for Roy Keane...Manchester United is a team that isn't built around one player. They survived when Cantona left, when Schmeichel left, and when Beckham left.
As for the 100 mil per five years thing...I'm really interested to see where you got this from as I doubt he's made any firm plans already since he's only just got the damn club.
Don't talk to me about the fans protesting. I live ten minutes from old Trafford. You, as far as I am aware, do not even live in the country. Footballers have been playing for buisnessmen for ALONG time. They earn upwards of 30k a week. I bet they won't give a shit. You cite Chelsea as being a club with unlimited funds...where do you think these funds are coming from? The fans? NOPE. From Roman Abramovich. Whose he? A buisness man. What did Chelsea accomplish this year? Fucking everything.
Sylph
05-14-2005, 08:32 PM
ROFL. I, seem, to know more about football than you do Mr. 10 minutes from Trafford.
Ill try to find a link for the 100million over Five years transferring Budget.
The difference between Abramovich and Glazer? About 16billion dollars... and Roman LOVES football. He WANTS to have the absolute best team money can buy... and hes working for it...
Glazer wants to have MONEY; He thinks Man U will be his cash cow.
Businessman like Roman who loves his club; loves football; wants to see the fans happy.... Are different than the Businessman I was thinking of...
Malcolm Glazer who sees the team as a bottom line. Bottom line; He'll put just enough money into the club to maximize his PROFITS.
Period.
You are arguing for the sake of arguing...
IF YOU KNEW AS MUCH ABOUT FOOTBALL AS YOU THINK YOU DO YOU'D REALIZE THESE TRUTHS...
Ferguson; He draws players to the club due to his winning pedigree. Players want to play for him. You lose Sir Alex... You've got less of a draw for high class talent.
Keane leaves... Thats just a hole at midfield
BUT.... Giggs is looking to leave in the summer... Thats TWO holes at Midfield.
Real Madrid are trying to lure C. Ronaldo right now... If you lose him that three holes at Midfield(I don't think this will happen though)
Scholes is also at the end of his career.... Moreso than Keane. Keane still does his job but has lost his scoring touch.
Thats basically three to four holes at Midfield ... How do you fill it with top notch talent when you have two black marks against your club?
1. No Ferguson.
2. A fucking yank at the helm.
I don't know if you are a ManU fan StrayRogue... but everyone who views the subject, that ive talked to, is either laughing at ManU or pitying ManU.
Sylph
05-14-2005, 08:39 PM
http://img144.echo.cx/img144/3402/finalglazerbid4ji.jpg
^^
That picture says it all
Eh... Im still looking for the link of the transfer Budget.
Asked one friend about it and he says it was reported on BBC... Ill keep looking for the text though.
-Found it and posted it.
[Edited on 5-15-2005 by Sylph]
Sylph
05-14-2005, 08:41 PM
"Ferguson will be offered a long-term contract as part of a five-year plan," the Daily Express' chief football writer Harry Harris told BBC Radio Five Live.
"In that plan, he will be given £100m for new players."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/4542805.stm
There it is... The budget for Glazer's "Five-year plan"
Those are two different quotes in the article. The second quote doesn't specify if its per year or for all 5 years. I'm not a fan of soccer and I wont pretend to know the workings of how transfer dollars work but I read the article different than you.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 12:35 AM
part of a five-year plan...
...in that plan... I think its the same plan there Tijay
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Football/Pix/gallery/2005/03/30/gallery2.jpg
[Edited on 5-15-2005 by Sylph]
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 06:54 AM
So do I Tijay. I read it as an extra 100 mil for new players. Which is a good thing. You seem to think the previous leading two share-holders forked out their own money for transfers. They didn't.
HarmNone
05-15-2005, 07:22 AM
What do you think this change will do with regard to Manchester United, Stray. Will it be a boon or a bust?
It's soccer, no one cares.
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 08:26 AM
Originally posted by HarmNone
What do you think this change will do with regard to Manchester United, Stray. Will it be a boon or a bust?
I don't know HN. I doubt the man would become involved if he wanted the club to go bust (which would mean he lost all his money), so I can only guess he means well and hopes to bring success.
As for people not caring...you American's might not care, but most of the rest of the world does. When the football world cup comes along it will involve more of the world than your shitty world series.
Fan protests against merchandise don't help the club either. They might shorten the length of time that Glazer owns the club, but limiting the clubs funds by not purchasing merchandise will also hurt the club in the long run not just Glazer. I think I'll buy a ManU jersey once everything is finalized just to counteract one whiny bitch.
[Edited on 5-15-2005 by Tijay]
Latrinsorm
05-15-2005, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
When the football world cup comes along it will involve more of the world than your shitty world series. We actually are organizing a world cup of some kind for baseball.
Not that it matters. :)
(Can anyone else believe that Stray was actually [indirectly] defending an American? :O)
Sylph
05-15-2005, 03:53 PM
Stray... You seem to think that the shareholders HAD to put in money for transfers before...
Most of the teams profits were put towards future transfer funds. Also, Of course Glazer doesn't want the team to go bust but hes going to force the team to pay off his debt; He's also going to give them limited funds(You can cock it up however you want but it is 100m over five years for transfer funds) for transfers and he's going to be losing calibre draw players to other clubs with no American incharge.
I say within the next four years Manchester United will fall from the Champion's League regular to a UEFA cup regular and perhaps farther...
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 03:58 PM
Believe what you want. Even if its retarded unfounded and unproven BS like what your were crying on about in the paladin thread.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:00 PM
Oh god Strayrogue... Just admit that you are less than naval lint and get it over with.
Just like with paladins... a class you have no clue about...
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:01 PM
Uhuh. Just like paladins or high level gaming, something you DO NOT know anything about. And no, playing a capped warrior in the first month of GS4 means fuck all in todays game.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:02 PM
:violin::violin:
StrayRogue once again has proven he has nothing to say... Lalala.... Argue for the sake of arguing you dunce...
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:04 PM
Possibly. But then I'm not the retarded guy who can't train a viable paladin in GS.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:08 PM
Nor am I ... Oddly enough...
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:10 PM
"High level Paladins suck so much crie crie crie"
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:11 PM
Who said that? Speaking out of your ass again? Common action for you it seems!
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:13 PM
http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=14086
You did precious.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:14 PM
You quoted it... so show me where I said it...
I love it though... An englishman who knows shit about football... huhu
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:16 PM
Yeah because you CLEARLY do. Fucking dumbass. And if you can't find the numerous posts about you whiny like a girl in regards to how hard it is to be a high level paladin you are leaning towards the retardedness of your countryman X.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:34 PM
Oh! I seem to have pissed off the almighty!!
Ill anticipate lightning bolts any second now!
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:40 PM
Originally posted by Sylph
You quoted it... so show me where I said it...
I love it though... An englishman who knows shit about football... huhu
"I think the class is totally viable exception is OTF. When ive got a lvl 100 paladin saying he can't hunt and fry in OTF after hes tried dozens of specs... well... I want the problems fixed by the time I get there."
Pwned geek. Just like your retarded Man U argument. I bet you haven't even watched a game of football in your life.
[Edited on 15-5-05 by StrayRogue]
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:45 PM
LMAO... My 'retarded' Man U argument is based on knowledge of football(something you lack), reported information(something you can't decipher because you have the reading comprehension of a 6 year old with downsyndrome), and probably my biases(which are anti-man u and anti-american)...
If you made that bet you lost... Not only am I knowledgable on modern day football(I admit my football history is lacking); Im also a damn good handicapper.
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:46 PM
Sure you do pal. Sure you do.
Miss X
05-15-2005, 04:53 PM
Don't make me hurt you! Argue about Man U by all means but let's not turn it into another pissing contest please.
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:55 PM
Let me just reiterate that I'm glad retards such as Tabor and Sylph can't vote over here.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:57 PM
Ive been considering immigrating over there StrayRogue... So happy day!
[Edited on 5-15-2005 by Sylph]
StrayRogue
05-15-2005, 04:58 PM
You wouldn't be able to vote for another decade.
Sylph
05-15-2005, 04:59 PM
... Unless I married a british girl...
Miss X
05-15-2005, 05:00 PM
Ok, I'll ask one more time that you go back to talking about the Man U situation. You're quite welcome to aruge via U2U about voting in the UK and such. Thanks.
Liberi Fatali
05-16-2005, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Let me just reiterate that I'm glad retards such as Tabor and Sylph can't vote over here.
It's hard enough for you to get your point across with clarity the first go, let alone 'reiterate' something. You're quite illiterate, by the way.
For the record, I was visiting my brother-in-law in Bristol, and we both voted. I'm older than you, and more of a citizen than you'll ever be, you fat fucking cocksucker. :)
Tabor.
StrayRogue
05-16-2005, 04:00 AM
LOL, thanks for falling there Tabor. The irony is you can't vote. It would have been against the law and you wouldn't have been sent an application let alone a voting slip. The very fact that you claim to have voted for Blair proves this as Bristol isn't his constituency at all you fucking moron. I bet you can't even name the parties running in Bristol or the various constituents for the area. Note that you have to have been living in the UK for over a five year period and only then if you have been on a electoral register for the past 15 years could you (a none UK resident) vote. As you are not 26 you cannot of voted, you fucking lying dunce.
Secondly, kid, you are not older than me.
[Edited on 16-5-05 by StrayRogue]
Strayrogue just got br3wned hardcore
StrayRogue
05-16-2005, 06:54 AM
Wtf is br3wned? And atleast I'm not some lying fucking punk child.
Sylph
05-16-2005, 03:33 PM
Well... Malcolm Glazer has secured 75% of the club's shares and will be delisting it from the Stock Exchange inside of 20 days.
He will also be assigning the 590million british pound debt that he has currently taken on in this 790million british pound endeavor.
It's the beginning of the end of such a worthy opponent.
StrayRogue
05-16-2005, 03:42 PM
I'd rather see what happens before making any judgements.
Sylph
05-16-2005, 03:47 PM
StrayRogue... all differences aside... It would take almost all of Man U's profits this year to just pay the interest on a 600million british pound debt...
StrayRogue
05-16-2005, 03:51 PM
I agree that debt can become a problem (it sank Leeds), but for such an empire I don't think it will have too much an negative impact.
Sylph
05-16-2005, 03:56 PM
The big problem that I see is... Glazer is only listed as a billionaire because of the worth of the Tampa Bay Bucs(which is around 750m or so). The debt against Man U is higher than the Buc's worth... Glazer's personal and business empire is worth around 500-600million according to his networth.
Which is all well and good... plenty of operating room. Glazer's 'people' have been saying that the goal is 90% which will make a 3pound per share offer against the remaining 10%...
That leaves roughly 200million british pounds worth of shares that they haven't bought yet... When you look at it... I just don't think he'll have the money to offer the Reds ANY transfer funds while trying to pay down this astronomical debt.
StrayRogue
05-17-2005, 09:42 AM
Again, I think its a wait and see situation. Man U aren't in a bad situation as it is (they've had a shitty season yes). I'll tell you in a year or so if it definately was a good or bad situation.
Oh and I find it funny how Tabor has stfu now that he's been proved a lying fuckhead.
Hulkein
05-17-2005, 12:48 PM
I hope he burns down the stadium and replaces it with a statue of GW.
Soccer sucks.
StrayRogue
05-17-2005, 12:57 PM
Yeah. Its only the most popular sport in the world. I guess you'd say it sucks though, having one of the worst football teams in said world.
Hulkein
05-17-2005, 01:00 PM
I don't care if it's popular in South America and Africa, they're irrelevent. It's only popular there because it's an easy sport to play for the poor. Actually, this is probably true for a lot of the poor European countries as well...
It's the most popular sport in Europe... Great, I live in America, where it isn't.
A Super Bowl appearence doesn't equate to being one of the worst teams, sorry.
[Edited on 5-17-2005 by Hulkein]
StrayRogue
05-17-2005, 01:27 PM
Africa and Europe? No I think you'll find its popular pretty much everywhere including Japan, all over Europe and South America. And yes, the American "soccer" team sucks more than your "poor" countries. If you don't care, don't fucking post.
Originally posted by Hulkein
I don't care if it's popular in South America and Africa, they're irrelevent. It's only popular there because it's an easy sport to play for the poor. Soccer has been around for a little over 3000 years now, and so have poor people, but they're irrelavant right.
A sport that's been played on every continent and is bigger than baseball, American football, and basketball combined. But, that's nothing really.... it's not real football.
Originally posted by DeV
Originally posted by Hulkein
I don't care if it's popular in South America and Africa, they're irrelevent. It's only popular there because it's an easy sport to play for the poor. Soccer has been around for a little over 3000 years now, and so have poor people, but they're irrelavant right.
A sport that's been played on every continent and is bigger than baseball, American football, and basketball combined. But, that's nothing really.... it's not real football.
Excluding Antartica because well whose played soccer there ... which continent hasn't baseball, american football, or basket basketball been played on?
Originally posted by Tijay
Excluding Antartica because well whose played soccer there ... which continent hasn't baseball, american football, or basket basketball been played on? Heh, Antartica is irrevelant.
About your second question, I don't know and I wouldn't disagree with you if somewhere it says they've all been played on every continent just as soccer has.
Sylph
05-17-2005, 03:11 PM
Anyone trying to argue against REAL FOOTBALL is just ridiculous. No other sport commands the dollars that it does; No other sport has as many massive competitions; No other sport TRUELY encompasses the entire world; No other sport has such passion coming from their fans; No other sport has the sheer number of fans; REAL FOOTBALL is basically the ambassador to all nations.
What other sport in the world will have players from Africa, North America, the UK, Spain, Germany, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Korea on the same squad?
These combinations happen in Football without any problems.
What other sport in the world will have players from Africa, North America, the UK, Spain, Germany, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Korea on the same squad?
The NBA.
http://www.nba.com/players/international_player_directory.html
[Edited on 5-17-2005 by Tijay]
Sylph
05-17-2005, 03:53 PM
Every sport has international players... but the NBA is NOTHING compared to Football with talent ranging from all over the world.
Between the English Premier League is probably the most internationally diverse leagues in the world.
Every team has foreigners ranging including; Norway, Sweden, Cameroon, Ivory Coast, South Africa, Australia, Korea, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Czech Republic, Belarus, Bulgaria, Poland, Canada, USA, Jamaica, Argentina, Brazil, Portugal, Wales, Ireland, Northern Ireland, Scotland, Spain, Italy, Greece, Turkey, Germany, Iceland, Mexico, Uruguay, Peru, Switzerland, France, Morocco, Egypt, Netherlands, Ukraine, Serbia/Montenegro, and Im drawing a blank on other places but Im sure there are more...
Liberi Fatali
05-17-2005, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Again, I think its a wait and see situation. Man U aren't in a bad situation as it is (they've had a shitty season yes). I'll tell you in a year or so if it definately was a good or bad situation.
Oh and I find it funny how Tabor has stfu now that he's been proved a lying fuckhead.
I think you need to take your cocksucking beady little eyes and learn to read, you fucking loatish oaf.
No where in my post did I say we voted in Bristol. I said I was VISITING my BROTHER-IN-LAW in Bristol. You probably don't even know where Bristol is; fucking cocksucker.
Hoho.
Nice try though, ace.
Tabor.
Miss X
05-17-2005, 04:37 PM
It would probably be better to start a thread on the legalities of the British voting system if you guys wish to discuss it. :)
Hulkein
05-17-2005, 05:02 PM
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Africa and Europe? No I think you'll find its popular pretty much everywhere including Japan, all over Europe and South America. And yes, the American "soccer" team sucks more than your "poor" countries. If you don't care, don't fucking post.
I thought you meant football, the real football, American football.
Soccer sucks, England sucks, Europe sucks, Baseball is more popular in Japan than soccer, South America sucks, Krypton sucks, gtfo.
Nieninque
05-17-2005, 05:05 PM
Originally posted by Tabor
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Again, I think its a wait and see situation. Man U aren't in a bad situation as it is (they've had a shitty season yes). I'll tell you in a year or so if it definately was a good or bad situation.
Oh and I find it funny how Tabor has stfu now that he's been proved a lying fuckhead.
I think you need to take your cocksucking beady little eyes and learn to read, you fucking loatish oaf.
No where in my post did I say we voted in Bristol. I said I was VISITING my BROTHER-IN-LAW in Bristol. You probably don't even know where Bristol is; fucking cocksucker.
Hoho.
Nice try though, ace.
Tabor.
Way to avoid the point of Stay's post
Warriorbird
05-17-2005, 05:08 PM
Not that, you know, anyone's ever called Tabor on anything before.
StrayRogue
05-17-2005, 05:26 PM
Originally posted by Tabor
Originally posted by StrayRogue
Again, I think its a wait and see situation. Man U aren't in a bad situation as it is (they've had a shitty season yes). I'll tell you in a year or so if it definately was a good or bad situation.
Oh and I find it funny how Tabor has stfu now that he's been proved a lying fuckhead.
I think you need to take your cocksucking beady little eyes and learn to read, you fucking loatish oaf.
No where in my post did I say we voted in Bristol. I said I was VISITING my BROTHER-IN-LAW in Bristol. You probably don't even know where Bristol is; fucking cocksucker.
Hoho.
Nice try though, ace.
Tabor.
Again you're lying. As just VISITING somewhere does not allow you to vote. I bet you don't even know which constituency Blair belongs too. Lying piece of shit.
StrayRogue
05-17-2005, 05:28 PM
Originally posted by Hulkein
Soccer sucks, England sucks, Europe sucks, Baseball is more popular in Japan than soccer, South America sucks, Krypton sucks, gtfo.
This atleast made me laugh. So you shall be spared my indominable wrath. For now.
HarmNone
05-17-2005, 05:58 PM
This thread is NOT about Tabor. This thread is about soccer (football). Let's get back on topic.
longshot
05-18-2005, 12:52 AM
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=page2/glazer/050517
I just went to a Detroit Piston's game where a blimp sponsored by a mortgage company dropped coupons for T shirts... I'm sure you guys across the pond will love this type of promo!!
Tijay, I was quoting another article from a year ago. I guess my numbers were a little off. My bad. I will say though, that a lot also depends on who does the "evaluating" of the company's worth.
Bonus points to me for uncovering another Tabor bullshit session.
Sean of the Thread
05-18-2005, 04:15 PM
BIG UPDATE TODAY...
Man U 2 days prior to the Glazer takeover signed a deal to start a resort and casino. MMMmmm so many twists to this.
1) It fucks Malcom because NFL owners are forbidden to have anything to do with gambling.
2)It is Malcoms plan because he is investing over 1.5billion and having a HUGE casino in the UK with such a HUGE fan base and marketable name is just genious. BRILLIANT!.
3)It fucks the Buc fans (me) because Malcom will sell them to focus on Man U. However if he cannot somehow end up with ownership to both and the casino/resort and chooses not to sell the Bucs at least we will retain a great owner.
Anyways I thought this was a major twist to the story.
Parkbandit
05-18-2005, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Xyelin
3)It fucks the Buc fans (me) because Malcom will sell them to focus on Man U. However if he cannot somehow end up with ownership to both and the casino/resort and chooses not to sell the Bucs at least we will retain a great owner.
We'll be fine. He will end up selling the Bucs to the Outback boys and they will run the operation well.
Sean of the Thread
05-18-2005, 04:31 PM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by Xyelin
3)It fucks the Buc fans (me) because Malcom will sell them to focus on Man U. However if he cannot somehow end up with ownership to both and the casino/resort and chooses not to sell the Bucs at least we will retain a great owner.
We'll be fine. He will end up selling the Bucs to the Outback boys and they will run the operation well.
Mmm Outback. Rib-eye and lobster tail and garlic mash. MMmmmm. Ok I'm in. Sell the team.
[Edited on 5-18-2005 by Xyelin]
Sylph
05-18-2005, 05:03 PM
Just for arguing about this can I get a free steak too?
Sean of the Thread
05-18-2005, 05:05 PM
No because your argument is founded on nothing.
Sylph
05-18-2005, 05:07 PM
No actually my argument is sitting on a firm bedrock of facts.
You are just a bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team.
Sean of the Thread
05-18-2005, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by Sylph
No actually my argument is sitting on a firm bedrock of facts.
You are just a bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team.
See what I mean.. your deduction that I am "just a Bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team" Is completely unfounded. Dumbass. No steak for you.
I'm no expert on soccer but I am a Celts fan. I am a baseball fan. I am a huge college football fan. I am a NFL fan. I am a big NHL fan. I am a fan of the Glazer business men because they are some of teh best in the world.
I guess in conclusion I used to not really care if they took over Man U or not now I just really want them to just so your day will be fucked and that team will be more successful then ever. If not I will still be happy because now your stupid team will suck even more.
Sylph
05-18-2005, 06:50 PM
The funniest part is... Being a NFL fan, being a celts fan, being a college football fan, being a bucs fan ... has nothing to do with real football.
So Im sorry but what I said is COMPLETELY founded.
That team cannot be 'more successful than ever' because unlike your stupid NFL which has only been around for a handful of decades... English football and more to the point Manchester United have been around for more than hundred years.
Rich history leads to many great successes! Like the Montreal Canadiens; Toronto Maple Leafs; New York Yankees; and UNLIKE any team in the NFL.
I'm not sure what the date has to do with anything but the American Profession Football Association was formed in 1920... so if 8.5 decades is a handful um okay..
Sylph
05-18-2005, 07:08 PM
The APFA moved to the NFL in 1922... but prosperity as a league did not happen untill 1950.
The game itself did not move into Modern day NFL football untill 1967 with SuperBowl 1.
I call 1967 On... Pretty recent. If you want to be a stickler... 1950... When modern day franchises were born.
Sylph
05-18-2005, 07:13 PM
Everton Football Club founded in 1878.
Manchester United Football Club founded in 1892.
Manchester City Football Club founded in 1887.
Liverpool Football Club founded in 1892.
By the way...
I'm pretty sure your post had nothing to do with when the sport became popular but whatever floats your boat. You win go you yay happy?
Sean of the Thread
05-19-2005, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Sylph
Everton Football Club founded in 1878.
Manchester United Football Club founded in 1892.
Manchester City Football Club founded in 1887.
Liverpool Football Club founded in 1892.
By the way...
By the way the Declaration of Independence 1776.
Anyways I think you have begun slinging mud because you are out of gas on this topic.
[Edited on 5-19-2005 by Xyelin]
Parkbandit
05-19-2005, 08:56 AM
Originally posted by Sylph
No actually my argument is sitting on a firm bedrock of facts.
You are just a bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team.
I'm a bucs fan.. care to make that claim against me?
:)
HarmNone
05-19-2005, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by Miss X
It would probably be better to start a thread on the legalities of the British voting system if you guys wish to discuss it. :)
I'd love to see such a thread started, Miss X. It's something I know little about and would like to understand better. :)
Nieninque
05-19-2005, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Parkbandit
Originally posted by Sylph
No actually my argument is sitting on a firm bedrock of facts.
You are just a bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team.
I'm a bucs fan.. care to make that claim against me?
:)
You are just a bucs fan who knows absolutely shit about anything but your NFL team. :P
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