Leaving as well

[Scott]

I leaving the forums for good. I have no intention of posting here anymore. I don't see eye to eye with what Kranar is trying to do and I don't wish to moderate or even post here anymore. I'll stick around for a day so I can respond to what people have to say and then I'm done. I hope you all have fun (including you Maimara :P, even though I never hated you)

Have fun with your posting, and maybe I'll go make my own forums even if no one posts there. I don't want to be in charge or enforce changes which I don't believe in either, so I guess it’s for the good. Kranar doesn't want to hear or work with any of my idea's because he has his own vision, and that's not going to work. He doesn't want me to help with the forums so I won't. It's best for the forums if I leave because Kranar and I disagree on how these forums are being run, and that is a problem because we all know I always say what's on my mind. Kranar doesn’t want me to help, so I won’t.

Have fun all, enjoy the changes.

[StrayRogue]

Beginning of the end, much.

[Souzy]

What's with you and Caels leaving? It was fun having you guys around.

[GSLeloo]

No!!!! You can't leave! That's so not fair, I came to the boards because of you.

[Back]

Ugh. Like rats from a sinking ship... sorry to hear it GS101. Thanks for all the hard work, the duke-outs in the threads, and keeping your head on straight during the whole thing.

[Notsosweet]

Well we both know you and I have our diffrences as well and I'm still hoping that you and I can work through them , I think you are a great person .. And although I will fully support whatever decision you make .. I think it is very much unlike you to let someone else "chase" you out of here. But like i said im behind you in whatever you decide. I think its rotten that you are leaving and i will miss you on the boards , I look foward to comming here everyday to hear your comments and get riled up too :D But enough of my ass kissing .. Ill miss you . And i hope you don't leave.

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
I leaving the forums for good. I have no intention of posting here anymore. I don't see eye to eye with what Kranar is trying to do and I don't wish to moderate or even post here anymore. I'll stick around for a day so I can respond to what people have to say and then I'm done. I hope you all have fun (including you Maimara :P, even though I never hated you)

Have fun with your posting, and maybe I'll go make my own forums even if no one posts there. I don't want to be in charge or enforce changes which I don't believe in either, so I guess it’s for the good. Kranar doesn't want to hear or work with any of my idea's because he has his own vision, and that's not going to work. He doesn't want me to help with the forums so I won't. It's best for the forums if I leave because Kranar and I disagree on how these forums are being run, and that is a problem because we all know I always say what's on my mind. Kranar doesn’t want me to help, so I won’t.

Have fun all, enjoy the changes.

Huh? What is Kranar trying to do? I get the feelin sumthin is goin on. Tell us. Might as well... you've told us this much. I think the boards are great aside from some of the threads getting out of hand and not being stopped.

So what gives???

errrr edited to ask... What changes?!

:?::?::?:

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by GS4Gurl]

[Scott]

Me and Kranar don't agree on what these forums are here for. I believe PC is for people who want to get things off their chest, and that does involve flaming. People have a right to say what they want. We've banned like 3 people total, only in rare instances are people removed from here, which is how it should be in my opinion.

I don't know all of Kranar's idea's, but he wants to change a lot of things. If you look at the hits we recieve, the members we gain, the topics..... they are all pointing up. Why change things if people keep coming back? I'm not up for that, and Kranar doesn't want me to work with him either. So I don't wish to post here.

[Betheny]

There's a difference between people looking at a car crash with KIA victims... and people looking because they find the Player's Corner to be a comunnity worthwile of their interest.

[Back]

Originally posted by Maimara
There's a difference between people looking at a car crash with KIA victims... and people looking because they find the Player's Corner to be a comunnity worthwile of their interest.

You are coming dangerously close to splitting this into two groups which could be a bad idea. Look at US politics. Why can't it be both?

[Scott]

People continue to post here. We gain members constantly. Yes, flamers are going to be here, it happens. I can get my answers to questions here and I can get things off my chest here. That's why I come here. It's working the way it is right now, I don't want to have a overhaul of the boards. People have their opinions on both sides. Mine lies on keeping it the way it is, and that's not going to happen here.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Yes, flamers are going to be here, it happens.>>

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[CrystalTears]

It's more about restoring the boards to the way it used to always be, not to how things have been for the past few months.

[Scott]

You have your opinion and I have mine. I like it the way it is now.

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
People continue to post here. We gain members constantly. Yes, flamers are going to be here, it happens. I can get my answers to questions here and I can get things off my chest here. That's why I come here. It's working the way it is right now, I don't want to have a overhaul of
the boards. People have their opinions on both sides. Mine lies on keeping it the way it is, and that's not going to happen here.

I was a guest here for months and until recently i became a member .. the only reason i did so was because i like how things are now.. i think that it should remain the way it is now. And if it does change i dont think i want to be here either.

[Hips]

Awww, I joined 'cause of you too. And the reason why I was the one to originally donate when the forums when down was because of you.

Does this mean you won't be my cross-dressing sorceress anymore? :no:

[Scott]

Not on the boards. And when you say it in game you open yourself up for a beating....... BARD!

[Hips]

Well, it originated IG so I have no problem saying it there.

And... you're more a cross-dressing sorceress than I am a bard. ;P

[SpunGirl]

I'm trying not to be biased, and I'd like to see what Kranar has to say on the "changes," but I really hope it's not too huge of a change.

One of the reasons I post here (and rarely on the official boards) is because I can say what I want, and people don't have to make stupidly disguised comments. I like reading what others have to say, even if I don't agree. That's the best thing about these boards.

It's the reason I donate, as well. I won't do it again if the forums change too much, and that's not a threat or blackmail, just the basic fact.

-K

[Soulpieced]

Change is bad, just look at GSIV...

[Solkern]

Damn straight

[Betheny]

Heh.

Change is bad... look at the revolutionary war.

[Weedmage Princess]

Whoa, man...this is...weird.

I don't know what to say. Sintik, sorry to see you go...that's all I can say.

[Solkern]

You should NEVER change something that's working.

[Lord Deprav]

Gemstone101 I have never had any issue with you. But its just my personal belief that the PC should be run like it was started. You served your time here fine and I thank you for that. I have gained more respect for you since you have been a mod. Even though I voted you down originally. Thanks again

Deprav

[Savanae]

You will be missed. Take care.

Suzanne

[Rorac]

GemStone101, I thought I was the only person from Philly. You can't leave the boards!



Hmm, Philly, the only city known to boo Santa and throw trash at the fellow.

The only city where the football team gets a new stadium then gets pwned by all.

[Scott]

Originally posted by Lord Deprav
Gemstone101 I have never had any issue with you. But its just my personal belief that the PC should be run like it was started. You served your time here fine and I thank you for that. I have gained more respect for you since you have been a mod. Even though I voted you down originally. Thanks again

Deprav

Everyone has their own opinion. I like the forums the way they are right now. I know some people don't agree, and I don't mind that. I just don't want to moderate something I don't believe in. I hope PC doesn't degrade to what the members don't want. I'll probably make my own forums and make them just like the forums were before I left these. I still think people should have a place to voice their problems with people, this doesn't look like it will be that place, and Klaive's forums don't either (unless you want to be attacked by people who call Klaive, god. :barf: )

I hope you enjoy the new changed forums Deprev. I know you to discuss topics (mostly non GS related) with people and I know you get annoyed when people step in and make stupid comments. So you might enjoy some of the changes that are coming. The boards these probably will turn into aren't what I want. I'm glad you will probably enjoy them though.

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Gemstone101]

[Betheny]

I know I will (hopefully) enjoy opening a thread with my name in it and not digging through for fear of someone calling me, Beth, names for something my character did in Gemstone.

[imported_Kranar]

I can't wait to know what these changes are myself!

I certainly haven't announced any. I am interested in feedback, however, so if anyone wishes to contribute to some healthy feedback and debate, please feel free to do so in this thread:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=1524

As far as changes go... this BBS already went through puberty, I don't think it needs another one just yet!

[GSLeloo]

Yeah um... change is bad, change sucks. Needed change is good and I don't feel the boards need to be changed. Some people want it watered down, go watch the disney channel, ok? Seriously, I have been insulted just like the rest of you and all you learn is how to take it and who to ignore. I'd follow Sintik if the boards were watered down to G ratings.

[imported_Kranar]

To be perfectly honest, I'm not too familiar with any changes Sintik has made.

If someone wishes to detail what has changed about this BBS within the past 3 weeks, feel free to let me know.

I guess the problem is... I don't know what the panic is all about. What specific change are you guys worried about because I swear I haven't opened my mouth up about any particular change, all I've said is I'm open to feedback.

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Kranar]

[Solkern]

Kranar and I haven't always seen eye to eye, but he did an awesome job last time he was the head of this BBS, and I have complete faith he'll do an awesome job again.

[imported_Kranar]

I would like to say that I personally think it's unfair to just instigate that changes are coming along that will somehow work to detriment this BBS.

Sintik, the reason why you're no longer an admin is and I believe should remain between you, me, and Caels, and trying to give a one-sided view on the issue I think is a bit unfair to me.

You were a very respected administrator here and I do indeed have some big shoes to fill, but please give me the chance to fill those shoes without insinuating to members that some change is coming and making them worry about really, nothing.

As an admin I wholeheartedly wish to work with you members to make this place grow. I want feedback, hell I NEED feedback. I'm not here to screw anyone over, not those who have generously donated, and not those who continue to post their opinions on this incredibly diverse BBS.

But I would like to ask that you guys please stop worrying about any unspecified change and ask of you to give me the chance to hear your opinions and feedback.

This place isn't going anywhere, this isn't the end of the PC, and yeah it's drastic that two admins and a respected mod had to leave on the same day, but give it a chance and you'll see... this place will remain open for business and the PC will be better than ever.

Mark my word on that.

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Kranar]

[Drew2]

Here's feedback:

Change nothing. I believe Mods like HarmNone, CT, Edaarin... they're all doing fine jobs poking and proding threads back in the right direction when they need to be. Caels actually did very little towards the end. He has a good collection of Mods, and little administration is needed, I think.

No point in fixing what isn't broken.

[Betheny]

Propaganda is bullshit.

You know what I mean.

I'm with you, Kranar. My first suggestion is going to be that you apply a written code of professional conduct to those who occupy moderator's and admin's positions.

[Scott]

<<<I would like to say that I personally think it's unfair to just instigate that changes are coming along that will somehow work to detriment this BBS.>>>

Don't hold back on what you said. You told me you were going to make changes. Don't pull that shit.

<<<Sintik, the reason why you're no longer an admin is and I believe should remain between you, me, and Caels, and trying to give a one-sided view on the issue I think is a bit unfair to me.>>>

I'll be glad to tell people. I told Caels I didn't want to forums yesterday. He didn't want the forums anymore and you asked for them, so since I didn't want them, you asked for them..... Who should get them?!?! I did want the forums, but I told him otherwise, it was my mistake.

<<<<You were and remain a very respected administrator here and I do indeed have some big shoes to fill, but please give me the chance to fill those shoes without telling members that some change is coming and making them worry about really, nothing.>>>

You told me, my views did not fit yours and you didn't want me as an admin. You said there were some changes in store for the forums. You planned on changing some things to the forums. You now say that's not what you meant..... People don't need to be worried about PC dying. PC will always be here unless you delete them, which you said you wouldn't. However don't go back on what you said, you flat out told me changes were in store and that your "vision" didn't follow mine..... If you don't follow through with that, great, but you did tell me you were going to make some changes to the FORUMS.

<<<<As an admin I wholeheartedly wish to work with you members to make this place grow. I want feed, hell I NEED feedback. I'm not here to screw anyone over, not those who have generously donated, and not those who continue to post their opinions on this incredibly diverse BBS.>>>>

Good, I hope you follow through with that.

<<<This place is going anywhere, this isn't the end of the PC, yeah it's drastic that the admin and a respected mod had to leave virtually on the same day, but give it a chance and you'll see... this place will remain open for business and the PC will be better than ever.>>>

I said that. However you said I wasn't sincere. PC will always be here and even if I put up my own forums, it will still be here. I don't expect it to fall anytime soon. Even if you make it like the official boards, people will still be here.

[Fabled]

I have only been reading and posting here for a week, but I have very much enjoyed every day of it.

I did state before in another thread that I felt that the purpose of a forum was to discuss your feelings, opinions, comments, criticisms etc. about any applicable subject matter. If our posts are subject to deletion because it involves complaining about someone, than it defeats the whole purpose of having a forum. Again, those that just post insults and that are in violation of TOS should definitely be edited or deleted at the Staff's unbiased discretion.

I am disappointed to see that the Staff has not been able to come to a compromise about the future of the forums or its goals.

On that note, farewell to you Gemstone101. I, among others, appreciate your hard work and sincerity. Good luck with you and your future endeavors.

[Solkern]

I just hope this BBS moves forward unlike gemstone.

[Solkern]

Kranar do what you think is best for this forum, but please, make dicisions based on your feedback.

Originally posted by Maimara
Propaganda is bullshit.

You know what I mean.

I'm with you, Kranar. My first suggestion is going to be that you apply a written code of professional conduct to those who occupy moderator's and admin's positions.


Man, you take this WAYYYY too seriously.

Sit back, Take a deep breath and try to comprehend that this is an unofficial forum for a Text based MMOG.

[Kurili]

I will miss you, Gemstone 101. Good luck to you in the future.

Acolyte Kurili

[Betheny]

Originally posted by RangerD1
Man, you take this WAYYYY too seriously.

Sit back, Take a deep breath and try to comprehend that this is an unofficial forum for a Text based MMOG.

Too seriously? Maybe others aren't taking it seriously enough? People put a lot of time and effort into creating this place, and they get fucked over, should they not be upset?

Well first of all I think that several people need to take a step outside of what is now considered the Player's Corner and take a look back to what it was a couple months ago.

Its still able to be viewed if you really want to go back there.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro

Then I think people need to realize that a couple things, and this is from my personal opinion on it, which at this point counts as nothing because I have no involvement anymore, one that being an admin of this board can, and has, in the past put a lot of strain on out of game friendships, in game friendships, and it also adds strain because it becomes a bit of a chore to have to watch over people.

Secondly, there are people who are going to have a vision, hell thats how this place was started, and they are going to go off and pursue that dream, that vision, and make it a reality.

I have to admit, as I probably have stated it in the past, I made my forum, and put in certain things to attract others who had ideas similar to mine, and I found Kranar.

I had raw ideas, time, money, and software to create the forum. Kranar put it all together.

Kranar was the brains behind 90% of the original PC. I was just the figure head.

People loved the board back then, then Kelood and I started to work on it, I had already quit Gemstone, sold off my things, and I was getting tired of the game, board, and events surrounding both.

So I gave the PC to Caels.

Caels took the original idea, which if you can remember was based on what the-spot.com looked like. We just were trying to get a different posting feel.

Now, you guys, under Caels, Kranar's, and others leadership have made this place MUCH better, MUCH different, and MUCH larger place to post messages.

I think that people need to give the admins feedback more often, does it mean your ideas are going to always get put in? Probably not. It does give admins the general feel for the board and the people who post on it.

I am sad to see that the board was a burden on Caels.

My question to everyone else is, what could you have done to not make it a burden for him?

What are you going to do to not make it a burden on Kranar, or the next admin who steps up.

I am also saddened to see certain changes take place. I have no platform to speak on however, and people who are members of this community need to realize they DO have that platform and need to voice their ideas.

I don't know why I find myself back here, still caring about this board, maybe its the idea, or the vision I once had and I continue to check in on it, or maybe its the people who made this place happen.

I believe its the people.

But what do I know?

Thank you.

Chris

[Betheny]

I am sure that there are many people who would have been willing to make suggestions for improvements, or even to offer their time to help. As you can see, when donations were needed, donations were given. I doubt that the feeling of comunnity is limited only to monetary funds.

I myself tried to make suggestions and get involved, but I was shut down, or ignored, or sidestepped. Or told to lighten up and not take myself, and others, so seriously.

[Bestatte]

Maimara mentions the people who created this forum. I'm not one of the creators, but I was one of the first mods, so I'll chime in with my opinion, for what it's worth:

GS101, I thought you were a good mod, while the boards have been as they have been.

Caels, I think your idea of what these forums could be was a wonderful thing, and I applaud you for trying to steer them in that direction.

Buckwheet, you created this place. Nuff said. <grin>

Kranar, you and I get into some amazing debates, both "on screen" and "off." You were a terrific admin then, I think you'll be a terrific admin now.

I don't see losing the flames as being "kinder" or "gentler." I see losing them as making an attempt to force people to behave like civilized human beings.

I also see losing the flames as preventing things from escalating into IC vs. OOC issues. Every single time someone gets flamed for something a character does, it turns into a flame-war about the player. Go ahead, check it out for yourself. All you math freaks, bring me the stats.

There is no reason why anyone should feel intimidated on a text forum. This place -should- be for everyone. But the moment someone who doesn't play anymore, or questions a flame, or tries to prevent derailment shows up, we get shot down with insult after insult.

Guess what folks - we -are- part of the group called "everyone," like it or not. Don't shoot us down just because we dare to breathe. All that does is drive us away. Or maybe you don't really mean this place is for everyone? Maybe it's only for the griefers, and civilized people should get lost?

Make up your minds, while you can. Because Kranar's looking for advice. My advice? Bring back rules about flaming, and stick with them. If it means shutting down a thread, shut it down. If it means deleting a thread, delete it. If it means siteban, then siteban.

I like having intelligent conversations with intelligent people, of ALL ages. I do not like the feeling that I'm in 5th grade trying to pick out the one or two people who give thought to their ideas before they post them.

So, what's it going to be, people? Is this place *truly* for everyone? Or only for griefers and the people who are attracted to what Crystal Tears refers to as the car crash syndrome?

[HarmNone]

I am not going to comment on what I feel is good or bad on these boards. As I see it, that is not my place. My place is to moderate these boards as they exist. They are not "Cael's boards", or "Kranar's boards". They are YOUR boards, you being the people who come to read and post on these boards.

Kranar has asked for input from those who come here to read and post. We, as moderators, are as interested as he is in what each of you has to say. Your input is what will make these boards what you want them to be. The job of moderators is only to see that the boards STAY as you wish them to be.

I have preferences and dislikes just like anyone else. However, my preferences and likes/dislikes are not the deciding factor in how these boards should be moderated. Yours are.

HarmNone will promise to moderate in a moderate fashion on boards that please those who read them

[Fabled]

Originally posted by buckwheet
Well first of all I think that several people need to take a step outside of what is now considered the Player's Corner and take a look back to what it was a couple months ago.

Since I'm new I figured this was directed at me and some others who have voiced our opinion on the matter....

I did take a look at it. Very nice format. However, I was unable to view any posts nor get an idea for what the "feel" of the boards were then. Is there something I'm doing wrong or overlooking?

[CrystalTears]

When you go to a folder, you need to go to the upper right hand corner and choose "show all topics" since the default is the last 45 days and it's been closed longer than that. :)

[Fabled]

Duh! Thanks CrystalTears! I'll be busy for the next few days. I'm gonna need lotsa popcorn and an ottoman it appears. ;)

[Tendarian]

Look back for a favorite moderaters thread and look who got the most votes. If you want to see what most of the posters here want, it is in line with Sintik id say.

[Kurili]

Yep, would be a tie almost between Sintik and HarmNone.

Acolyte Kurili

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Tendarian
Look back for a favorite moderaters thread and look who got the most votes. If you want to see what most of the posters here want, it is in line with Sintik id say.

A little bit of common sense would show just how faulty that logic is. He may have gotten 12 votes but 36 people voted against him. So 3 out of 4 people who bothered to vote do not agree with you. I have nothing against him myself but lets not try to make numbers lie to support an argument.

Rraven

[peam]

I think people are overreacting to Kranar coming back. As he's previously stated, he's made no decisions or major changes thusfar. I've enjoyed all incarnations of this board, and I really do fail to see a major difference in atmosphere be it Caels, Kranar, or anyone else in charge.

There is a major debate going on about opening threads for the sole purpose of flaming, and I suspect that the final decision on that topic will be derived from a popular opinion, rather than a single individual's.

This rat will be here until the ship sinks.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Tendarian
Look back for a favorite moderaters thread and look who got the most votes. If you want to see what most of the posters here want, it is in line with Sintik id say.


A little bit of common sense would show just how faulty that logic is. He may have gotten 12 votes but 36 people voted against him. So 3 out of 4 people who bothered to vote do not agree with you. I have nothing against him myself but lets not try to make numbers lie to support an argument.

Rraven


You can crunch the numbers however you like, but Sintik was a favorite mod.

A lot of people followed him here, and liked the way he did things. If he chooses to leave entirely, I'm sure those same people will follow him to wherever else he goes.

[GS4Gurl]

"12 votes but 36 people voted against him"

"I'm sure those same people will follow him to wherever else he goes."

So maybe 12 out of 48 who voted *might* follow him. Not very many considering.

[GSLeloo]

Sintik was a great moderator. He was levelheaded and amusing and if things change I think a lot more than the 12 would follow him in leaving.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by CamriYou can crunch the numbers however you like, but Sintik was a favorite mod.

I'm not saying he wasn't. But he's not 'what most posters want'. Some posters, but not the majority, considered him their favorite mod. Only 25% in fact. And that's of the ones who voted. Since there are so many readers and posters, one can reasonably assume most people are apathetic and just don't have a favorite.

So those 12 people might follow him to another board. The 36 who voted otherwise might not. And the 100? or more who didn't vote probably won't as well.

Raven

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Ravenstorm]

[Tendarian]

Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Originally posted by Tendarian
Look back for a favorite moderaters thread and look who got the most votes. If you want to see what most of the posters here want, it is in line with Sintik id say.

A little bit of common sense would show just how faulty that logic is. He may have gotten 12 votes but 36 people voted against him. So 3 out of 4 people who bothered to vote do not agree with you. I have nothing against him myself but lets not try to make numbers lie to support an argument.

Rraven

36 people didnt vote against him, they voted for someone else. Big difference id say.

I remember when Kranar was an admin before and the boards were fine then too. I dont think he will ruin them. I just worry that if what Sintik said is true then these changes will be made no matter what popular opinion says.

[CrystalTears]

Sintik is upset over what's going on, just as the rest of us are. It led to him needing to tell everyone the business of the boards when it was not necessary to disclose, even at the request of Kranar to keep it private, but I can understand why he did it.

I didn't post my reasons for resigning as I did not want to give anyone a one-sided story of what happened, nor did I want to see a public fight ensue because of it, again, because it was no one's business other than the admins and mods in question.

I think everyone just needs to let the storm settle and wait to see what happens before assuming the worst. The boards have been around for years with enough active members to keep it alive. I believe that will continue regardless of who is in charge. People said the same thing when Buckwheet left, who was also a fabulous person and admin, and it continued to shine.

Give PC a chance. :)

[Edited on 9/23/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
People said the same thing when Buckwheet left, who was also a fabulous person and admin, and it continued to shine.

Give PC a chance. :)


Actually, why be surprised at the reaction? It's no different than all the 'OMG!!1! GS is changing the damage on my favorite weapon! It is so going to suck and I'm quitting!'

Not pointing any fingers here but it's just deja vu. Settle down folks and see what happens.

Raven

[GS4Gurl]

I still fail to see what the "storm" is. What's sooo bad to cause a few to ..how do I put it... take their ball and run home when suddenly they disagree with something.

I'm not asking for details. I don't care. It just SAYS something when people just say "I quit" all in the same day. You say "give it a chance", but by leaving like some of you did, then your not giving it a chance yourself? Leaving is one thing but the WAY you guys did it is something else. Kranar "says" their may not be any changes. He is listening to feedback. To me it seems he wants to do what the people want? Is that so bad? I think the people have a right to know what is going on, Actually. Especially if people are going to cause a big stink and be all dramatic and stomp out all in the same day.

You guys may have nice "goodbye" letters but there was a message being sent to us, no matter how "nice" it sounded. Is Kranar sooo bad?

Whatever. I don't know or understand, really.

[CrystalTears]

I'm not going to give any details of what happened with me because that's not fair to anyone.

However the only thing I will say is that regardless of how people felt about me, whether they loved me, hated me, indifferent of me, whatever, the fact that someone as long term as me stepped down made enough people say WTF?!

Lots of people came to me wondering why and figure it must be serious for me to quit. Trust me, being a mod, or an admin for that matter, is hard, jarring on the nerves and a constant pain in the ass. Oddly enough, I loved doing it.

However it came to a point that it wasn't fun for me anymore. It was those moments that I won't disclose publicly because it's not anyone's business to know why. I will admit that I think I told perhaps two people why I left and it was mostly me venting and being upset over things, and even then I don't think they needed to know anything either. Made me feel better though because I still feel no one will ever understand what some of us went through, and just for everyone's sake, that's a good thing. :)

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by RangerD1
Man, you take this WAYYYY too seriously.

Sit back, Take a deep breath and try to comprehend that this is an unofficial forum for a Text based MMOG.

Too seriously? Maybe others aren't taking it seriously enough? People put a lot of time and effort into creating this place, and they get fucked over, should they not be upset?

If this place is seriously causing you distress in real life, maybe its not worth it.

Its an unofficial message boards for a GAME. Nuff said.

Codes of professional conduct and the like is like setting up an Official charter and code of conduct for your Magic: The Gathering club.

[Faellyn]

I agree with Ranger, this is a volunteer run BB for a game. My work I take seriously, the game I take seriously as a game, my life I take seriously, but are you serious about a code of conduct? I have a copy of Roberts Rules, if you think we should adopt Parliament procedures for posting...

[Betheny]

It's not causing me any stress.

Might I add, Sintik was liked by some of the most vocal posters here -- Not the most numerous.

What that means is a lot of us choose not to say anything when people are talking about how great he is, even if we disagree. A lot of people do this.

Who wants to argue with a mod? Especially one that'll just light you up with some gas and a match as soon as glance at you?

[Kurili]

Yes, let us all gather like jackals around the torn bodies of the fallen here. Sintik is no longer here to respond to anything, so let the carnage begin.

Acolyte Kurili, becoming fed up

[Betheny]

That was never meant as carrion-feeding, but as a simple point of view. And, I feel, the truth.

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Gemstone101

Everyone has their own opinion. I like the forums the way they are right now. I know some people don't agree, and I don't mind that. I just don't want to moderate something I don't believe in. I hope PC doesn't degrade to what the members don't want. I'll probably make my own forums and make them just like the forums were before I left these. I still think people should have a place to voice their problems with people, this doesn't look like it will be that place, and Klaive's forums don't either (unless you want to be attacked by people who call Klaive, god. :barf: )

I hope you enjoy the new changed forums Deprev. I know you to discuss topics (mostly non GS related) with people and I know you get annoyed when people step in and make stupid comments. So you might enjoy some of the changes that are coming. The boards these probably will turn into aren't what I want. I'm glad you will probably enjoy them though.

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Gemstone101]

I also do not like total censorship...but this mainly a gemstone 3 related site. I guess I just feel that if a person wants to talk about other stuff which some of it may be illegal I think they should attend other boards which are known for that.

Deprav

[Betheny]

1. Sintik was not the reason for the lack of 'censorship' here. Just because he quit now, let's not make him look like a saint. He wasn't a saint.

2. No one aired his dirty laundry, EXCEPT HIM.

[Kurili]

He most assuredly is not and was not a Saint. But he DOES seem to be your special nemisis. And personally, I think it needs a rest.


Acolyte Kurili, just wishing for this to die down

[GSLeloo]

Maimara, why not lay off Sintik a bit? Sintik was a great person and especially on topics where he hated someone, he kept himself very levelheaded so what is your problem with him? Because he got passionate in other places about other topics? Guess what, just cause he's a mod doesn't mean he can't be passionate in a topic. He left, be happy and stop picking at him.

[Ben]

CHECK YOUR TAMPONS.

[GSLeloo]

No, I am not having my period but thank you very much for the suggestion.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Maimara
It's not causing me any stress.

Might I add, Sintik was liked by some of the most vocal posters here -- Not the most numerous.

What that means is a lot of us choose not to say anything when people are talking about how great he is, even if we disagree. A lot of people do this.

Who wants to argue with a mod? Especially one that'll just light you up with some gas and a match as soon as glance at you?

I think it's time for you to lay off Sintik.

He had every right to post his opinions just like everyone else here, mod or not. You didn't like his opinions, and choose to take them personally.

I've seen you be vocal before too, since I've been here. But that was alright, wasn't it?

Sintik didn't like the warn verb. He had EVERY right to that opinion. You choose to take every comment he made about that personal. Then YOU became vocal about that. I would even look at that 'Letter to the administration' thread as hopes some kind of a flame fest on your part. You made it to specifically target him.

I don't like the warn verb either. But I'm not as diplomatic about it as he is. If you use the warn verb to resolve your in game conflicts, you're not using RP, and you're a whiny crybaby.

There. Now start a thread and complain about me.

[CrystalTears]

The flaming aspect is all different when it's someone you like and admire, isn't it? If you're going to insist on keeping flames and posts from people that didn't like them, you need to accept it for ALL people.

If you want to complain about someone, start a new thread. Don't taint his farewell thread anymore than it already has.

For all it's worth, Sintik, I'm sorry it didn't work out.

[Edited on 9/23/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Camri]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
The flaming aspect is all different when it's someone you like and admire, isn't it? If you're going to insist on keeping flames and posts from people that didn't like them, you need to accept it for ALL people.

If it was coming from someone who did not just get done whining about flaming, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

If she wants rules saying flaming is not allowed, then she needs to not flame. Simple as that.

[Weedmage Princess]

Oh...dear.....

[GSLeloo]

Actually, isn't she making herself a hypocrit? She hates flaming threads and yet that's all she's doing to him. And the point is, he isn't even here. She waited until he said he left the boards and wouldn't read them anymore and then goes on and on about him. Kind of a chicken thing to do.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
The flaming aspect is all different when it's someone you like and admire, isn't it? If you're going to insist on keeping flames and posts from people that didn't like them, you need to accept it for ALL people.

If you want to complain about someone, start a new thread. Don't taint his farewell thread anymore than it already has.

I just find it amusing that one of the people that says the flaming needs to leave.. is the one that is instigating it now.

Simple things amuse me though.. :smug:

[peam]

Perhaps all parties involved should drop the subject.

[Drew2]

Originally posted by peam
Perhaps all parties involved should drop the subject.
I concur.

[Kurili]

Thank you, Peam. The whole thing even had me riled.

Acolyte Kurili

[CrystalTears]

I wasn't flaming him at all and I'm sorry that you felt that's what I did.

I'm also sorry that I found it ironic that people wanted to keep flames but when it was about someone that people liked, they wanted it stopped. It was just an observation and I apologize if I offended anyone. People make mistakes and I made one, I'm only human.

[Parkbandit]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I wasn't flaming him at all and I'm sorry that you felt that's what I did.

I'm also sorry that I found it ironic that people wanted to keep flames but when it was about someone that people liked, they wanted it stopped. It was just an observation and I apologize if I offended anyone. People make mistakes and I made one, I'm only human.

I wasn't talking about you.. you goober. I was just responding to your post.

[CrystalTears]

Oh. Okay. Sorry. I kept seeing people quote me and then say "she" so I was all confused.

I'm uh.. gonna be in the other player's corner where the goobers sit.

[Solkern]

People are soo hypocritical these days

[Betheny]

Flame fest? Where? I stated a concern and an opinion. I never flamed him. Flaming would be saying something defaming or slanderous.

[Kurili]

I give up

Acolyte Kurili

[GSLeloo]

Maybe, Maimara, you should go back and read your posts.

[Betheny]

I have.

No flames, honest opinions, stated in a non-inflammatory fashion.

Why don't YOU go read them again?

[Kurili]

Maybe...we should do as Peam asked, and LET IT DROP? OK?

Acolyte Kurili

[Gokkem]

Agreed my head hurts from tryin to understand it all.

[peam]

/crack knuckles.

[GSLeloo]

Sorry... it's so hard to take Peam seriously with that dancing banana... it makes me laugh whenever I see it.

[Scott]

<<<<1. Sintik was not the reason for the lack of 'censorship' here. Just because he quit now, let's not make him look like a saint. He wasn't a saint.>>>>

Please learn what you what you are talking about before you say anything. You have no idea what happens in the mod folders or what is discussed in those folders. You have no idea what I told moderators all you know is what you saw on the forums, which isn't much of anything.

<<<<2. No one aired his dirty laundry, EXCEPT HIM.>>>

Dirty laundry? What the hell are you talking about.

<<<Who wants to argue with a mod? Especially one that'll just light you up with some gas and a match as soon as glance at you? >>>

Right. Nobody should argue with me when I was an admin because I ban everyone who does. I lit you up because you deserved it. You constantly call yourself a great RP'er but you warn like Warclaidhm. I disagree with what you said and I commented, like you do ALL the time. The only difference is, I don't cry about it constantly.

The people on these forums that have my respect are of course the other moderators as I know all the shit they have to deal with, and people who can debate without crying IE Backlash, Strayrogue (on occasions when he wasn't just doing his ANTI US crap), and Kranar (when he wasn't on his I'm right you are wrong, end of story approach). You say you didn't want to argue because I was an admin? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

[Scott]

Oh, and for starting my own forums since a bunch of people have asked me.....

I have no intention of starting my own forums unless this place gets toned down. If it heads in that direction I will make my own forums, however until that time I won't even consider it.

[Betheny]

I'd cite incidents and quote you to high heaven, but I won't let you bait me into more of this flaming, so everyone else can get on my case about my supposed flaming of you.

I never flamed you, yet you flame me all the time. It speaks for itself.

[Lord Deprav]

Originally posted by Gemstone101
The people on these forums that have my respect are of course the other moderators as I know all the shit they have to deal with, and people who can debate without crying IE Backlash, Strayrogue (on occasions when he wasn't just doing his ANTI US crap), . You say you didn't want to argue because I was an admin? Yeah, right. :rolleyes:

Thank you.

Deprav

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by Maimara
I know I will (hopefully) enjoy opening a thread with my name in it and not digging through for fear of someone calling me, Beth, names for something my character did in Gemstone.

Well i think that if you post in here about something your character did in GS.. Do you not expect to get a response ? I mean hell .. If you can post but you cant take the heat of other people's opinions maybe you shouldnt post and then whine about what others say ? Just a thought.. Maybe you should consider

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by Notsosweet

Originally posted by Maimara
I know I will (hopefully) enjoy opening a thread with my name in it and not digging through for fear of someone calling me, Beth, names for something my character did in Gemstone.

Well i think that if you post in here about something your character did in GS.. Do you not expect to get a response ? I mean hell .. If you can post but you cant take the heat of other people's opinions maybe you shouldnt post and then whine about what others say ? Just a thought.. Maybe you should consider


I believe the point is that people should feel free to bitch about the /character/. But the character is not the player and the player is not the character. If someone feels the need to attack the player over something his or her character did in the game, they should grow up and learn to distinguish between fantasy and reality.

There are perfectly nice people who can play total assholes in a game. And by the same token, assholes are capable of playing nice characters. Keep IC and OOC separated.

Raven

[Rorac]

I sense a lot of anger in these polls. ):

[Betheny]

What Ravenstorm said.

[Notsosweet]

Well i think that if you post in here about something your character did in GS.. Do you not expect to get a response ? I mean hell .. If you can post but you cant take the heat of other people's opinions maybe you shouldnt post and then whine about what others say ? Just a thought.. Maybe you should consider


meaning if you did something IC and IG and then you post about it on the boards .. why would you do that if you arnt willing to get feedback on it ? Just wondering .. seems to me that if you cant run with the big dogs you should stay on the porch .. otherwise put on a muzzle and stop your barking !

[GS4Gurl]

If you cant run with the big dogs you should stay on the porch .. otherwise put on a muzzle and stop your barking !

Ooh I like this quote. I may have to steal it and use it as my sig.

:thumbsup:

(Note: not pointing out anything... just like the quote)

[Notsosweet]

Originally posted by GS4Gurl

If you cant run with the big dogs you should stay on the porch .. otherwise put on a muzzle and stop your barking !

Ooh I like this quote. I may have to steal it and use it as my sig.

:thumbsup:

(Note: not pointing out anything... just like the quote)

LOL well umm thanks i think .. ill have to wait for all hell to break out on me saying it but hey use it if you like .. ARF ! :saint: