Thief . . . Cryogic . . . Martinee1984@gmail.com . . . Tashinas

[Eurial]

I posted an add for 2m BS. Cryogic responded and said that he had 1.05M BS available for $2900.00. I accepted and sent payment. He never showed to deliver. While I have gotten a refund through AMEX and reported him/her to PayPal. Everyone should steer clear.

Eurial.

[Rjex]

That sucks.. incidentally, if you want 1.05m bs for 2900 next DR, let me know.

[Tumbadoo]

buy with confidence from Rjex

[Orthin]

Was this the same dude that a bunch of people had issues with a month or two ago or someone new?

[Dendum]

I posted an add for 2m BS. Cryogic responded and said that he had 1.05M BS available for $2900.00. I accepted and sent payment. He never showed to deliver. While I have gotten a refund through AMEX and reported him/her to PayPal. Everyone should steer clear.

Eurial.

Man do we have to go back to third party hand offs these events are becoming uncomfortably common.

[Sorcasaurus]

Appreciate the heads up.
Sorry to hear it happened, but thank you for sharing.

[Ardwen]

I hope we don't wind up back to handoffs, wasted more time helping people back in the day. I assumed all the scammers had died of old age, maybe their kids are around now.

[Rjex]

Why does Cryogic sound familiar, was that someone's alt?

[Tgo01]

I'll act as a trusted third party for handoffs. Only charging 1 million silvers for my services!

Shop safe with DreavenSafe!

[Neveragain]

Why does Cryogic sound familiar, was that someone's alt?

The e-mail account looks familiar to me for some reason.

On a side note, I think you all are off your rockers placing this much value on anything gemstone related.

[Deadelf]

I hope we don't wind up back to handoffs, wasted more time helping people back in the day. I assumed all the scammers had died of old age, maybe their kids are around now.

It was indeed a pain in the ass, but I do appreciate folks like you being around that are trustworthy to be that go between. Hate to think though that we're returning to those days.

[Asha]

I hope we don't wind up back to handoffs, wasted more time helping people back in the day. I assumed all the scammers had died of old age, maybe their kids are around now.

Not exactly wasted helping people dude

[Doomsday]

Its Zaoloo, i almost bought some(not near that much) at DR from him too but knew something was up when his account was unable to be made friends and family and the whole convo got real odd afterwards

"I forgot I have a personal business account too I've had some issues similar to this before, you can send that to Martinee1984@gmail.com it should be good to do friends/family"

[Altheren]

Unfortunately, I believe this is true. I can only "hope" that something has happened and he is in the very difficult or bad position. To cash in his rep like this really sucks. And LNET shenanigans aside, he did have a stellar merchant rep. But it would appear he has done this to several people. I'll go ahead and come out and say that I am one of them too. I loaned him silver on the pretense of friendship. That silver is gone now! :P I know of several others who also fell victim to this.

[Rjex]

Unfortunately, I believe this is true. I can only "hope" that something has happened and he is in the very difficult or bad position. To cash in his rep like this really sucks. And LNET shenanigans aside, he did have a stellar merchant rep. But it would appear he has done this to several people. I'll go ahead and come out and say that I am one of them too. I loaned him silver on the pretense of friendship. That silver is gone now! :P I know of several others who also fell victim to this.

Is this for real? His lnet trolling aside, he was always a top tier merchant. Did all this happen around the same time? Maybe he got hit by a bus or something.

[Viekn]

Page 26, post 3259, of Merchant feedback is where the first complaint against Cryogic popped up: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?27738-Merchant-Feedback/page326

Post 3260 of that page is the first time it was mentioned, by Rjex, that it could possibly be Zaoloo: "Isn't Guojimo or however you spell it Zaoloo's alt?"

The first 2 posts of page 327 are where Faulkil and Peam have a back and forth regarding this...
Faulkil, responding to Rjex: "Giujomo. And I have no idea."
Peam, responding to Rjex: "No, that's Ruol. Not Zaoloo."

I don't know if any additional info has come to light since then to indicate that this is or isn't Zaoloo, but I wanted to point out this back and forth, since it happened in August, and hadn't been mentioned yet in this most recent discussion.

[Altheren]

Went dark on me August 8th. Borrowed a large sum in May. I wanted to have the benefit of the doubt here, that something went wrong or happened. But I am seeing repetitive behavior and we need to openly discuss this so that it doesn't continue. Eurial is a returning player who is putting money into our little community. That makes our game continue and flourish. I don't like anyone messing with that. I don't want this to happen to anyone else.

[Altheren]

And for posterity's sake. It was 225m. No small amount. :) My GS silver amex card won't let me reverse the charge!

[Rjex]

Dang dude. Going dark with $1k borrowed is not cool. Last I talked to him was in Feb, he was sending Pathragers to pick up an item for him. Seems odd they went dark around the same time.

[Sorcasaurus]

For what it's worth, I had a very quick and easy transaction with Eurial and would happily work with them again.

Welcome back, and I hope the experience doesn't spoil your return.

[Crooksncastles]

First of all I’m ruol. And I haven’t played in a long time. You can ask anyone I’ve done business with I don’t scam. You think I’d scam for 2900 then come back to sell a $225 character? ROFL

[Rjex]

Page 26, post 3259, of Merchant feedback is where the first complaint against Cryogic popped up: http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?27738-Merchant-Feedback/page326

Post 3260 of that page is the first time it was mentioned, by Rjex, that it could possibly be Zaoloo: "Isn't Guojimo or however you spell it Zaoloo's alt?"

The first 2 posts of page 327 are where Faulkil and Peam have a back and forth regarding this...
Faulkil, responding to Rjex: "Giujomo. And I have no idea."
Peam, responding to Rjex: "No, that's Ruol. Not Zaoloo."

I don't know if any additional info has come to light since then to indicate that this is or isn't Zaoloo, but I wanted to point out this back and forth, since it happened in August, and hadn't been mentioned yet in this most recent discussion.

So Giujomo wasn't Ruol, so like I initially said, was pretty sure it was Zaoloo's alt.

[Alorn15]

I had a very quick and easy transaction with Eurial and would happily work with them again.

+1 Eurial being a good guy. We ran into an issue with paypal and he was very diligent in getting it worked out equitably.

[zhagen]

(Dusts off the old EXCHANGE verb), back to 1999!

[Rjex]

What's the syntax again? Exchange 2000000 bloodscrip for 5800 paypal?

[audioserf]

Guijomo/Giujomo were Zaoloo. People grabbed hold of the Ruol thing and ran with it and Zaoloo never tried to correct them about it. Zaoloo was always an honest merchant no matter what you think of his Lnet conduct. It's surprising if he went out scamming. Hopefully he surfaces at some point and is able to explain and make amends.

[Tgo01]

When exactly did this all happen, Eurial? Like recently or around the beginning of August?

If it was more recently we can probably go ahead and assume he's just openly screwing people over since someone claimed he borrowed over 200 million from them in May and stopped communicating with them on August 8th.

If this happened around the first week of August and Zaoloo has disappeared since then, then it's possible something happened to him in real life. Or it's possible he decided to quit GS and wanted to screw as many people as possible on his way out.

[Rjex]

GS4Faulkil reported losing 80m to him in August, in the merchant thread, and I know there's at least 1 more case similar to Altheren above that wasn't posted about. People should really speak up if they got hit.

[zhagen]

My logs of "Giujomo" end exactly on August 8th too which is interesting based on the date Altheren gave. Maybe something did happen to him.

His last ever lnet message......

[LNet]-GSIV:Giujomo: "20 years ago it was let us have kids and get married, now it's let us teach your children about sex while alone in a room somewhere, typical gay shit"

He went out like an LNET champ

[Asha]

looks like there will be serious need of intermediary with large purchases before long. Hopefully itll just end with this one dude. But you know how it goes, once they get a big score like that theyll be back for more.

[Tgo01]

looks like there will be serious need of intermediary with large purchases before long.

Just buy from trusted sources. I hear that Dreaven fellow is quite trustworthy. You should buy all of his stuff.

[Rjex]

Hopefully itll just end with this one dude.

Kibosen was the other one not long ago with like 4-5 people getting hit.

[BLZrizz]

Just buy from trusted sources. I hear that Dreaven fellow is quite trustworthy. You should buy all of his stuff.

I know this is a bit tongue in cheek but this is it right here. There are some players that aren't scammers per se but their in-game conduct, demeanor, etc make me wary of dealing with them. There is a saying in some other hobbies I frequent and it applies here: "buy the seller, not the (item)"

Another point: I've aways been wary of dealing players who use gemstone as income as opposed to an expensive hobby. Again, this is a heuristic and doesn't capture everyone accurately, but it's a red flag to me.

[Orthin]

I know this is a bit tongue in cheek but this is it right here. There are some players that aren't scammers per se but their in-game conduct, demeanor, etc make me wary of dealing with them. There is a saying in some other hobbies I frequent and it applies here: "buy the seller, not the (item)"

Another point: I've aways been wary of dealing players who use gemstone as income as opposed to an expensive hobby. Again, this is a heuristic and doesn't capture everyone accurately, but it's a red flag to me.

I just don't mess with cash deals. I have done some capped character sales but always for IG currency. Would it be shitty to get scammed that route too, absolutely but I just don't trust my money that way. Unless maybe Roblar, he is as pure as Ken Griffey Jr during the great juice era. If Roblar ever became a scammer or anything other than his personable self I would be absolutely devastated.

[Eurial]

When exactly did this all happen, Eurial? Like recently or around the beginning of August?

If it was more recently we can probably go ahead and assume he's just openly screwing people over since someone claimed he borrowed over 200 million from them in May and stopped communicating with them on August 8th.

If this happened around the first week of August and Zaoloo has disappeared since then, then it's possible something happened to him in real life. Or it's possible he decided to quit GS and wanted to screw as many people as possible on his way out.

This happened last weekend.

Eurial

[Tgo01]

This happened last weekend.

Eurial

Okay so we can rule out Zaoloo had a serious real life emergency back in August then.

Has Zaoloo not even logged in game since August? He's just scamming people strictly via the PC/PayPal?

[BLZrizz]

I just don't mess with cash deals. I have done some capped character sales but always for IG currency. Would it be shitty to get scammed that route too, absolutely but I just don't trust my money that way. Unless maybe Roblar, he is as pure as Ken Griffey Jr during the great juice era. If Roblar ever became a scammer or anything other than his personable self I would be absolutely devastated.

Different strokes. 99.999% of cash deals go just fine. I have more money than time, I'd prefer not to grind for anything just so I can enjoy the game as I want to.

Plus, when it comes to every dime I put into this game, I only put in money I can afford to lose. This includes if the game decides to go belly up tomorrow, not just potential scammers.

[Alastir]

This was in February, 2022.

[Merchant]-GSIV:Giantphang: "the real question is where is zaoloo?"
Line 3777: [Merchant]-You: "He's hiding as Enteen"
Line 11527: [Merchant]-You: "Zaoloo always scripted out of the same room when it came to DR. He started off scripting out of that room this run and then changed."

Line 8036: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "not like I'm trying to hide it, you obviously know, but my dad died last month of covid and I dont feel like dealing with lnet bullshit this dr, so if you could just leave me be, I'll do the same, thanks"
Line 8037: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "*know who I am"
Line 8075: [PrivateTo]-GSIV:Enteen: "I'm sorry for your loss."
Line 8087: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "thanks, seeing how disrespectful people have been about Draccor just makes me think I did the right thing"
Line 8159: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "dont have the energy I normally do to dismiss lnet bullshit and laugh bout it, have had my lnet hidden most this DR"
Line 8172: [PrivateTo]-GSIV:Enteen: "I was pretty bad after having to put my down dog last month, I can't imagine losing a parent."
Line 8173: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "I know I probly dont deserve it but thanks for the courtesy, respek knucks"
Line 8230: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "oh well my 17 year old cat and my 10 year old dog died in 2020 also, its been rough couple years"
Line 8231: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "damn that sucks, sorry to hear it"

I think he was permanently banned in August of 2022 and used whatever character they didn't link via accounts to him to cash out.



Line 15797: Also here: Enteen, Guijomo, Cruitokic

The last LNet Merchant message by Enteen was on 4/4/22.

The last LNet Merchant message by Guijomo was on 4/12/22.
The last LNet message by Giujomo was on 8/8/22.


On 4/13/22:

Line 15314: [Merchant]-GSIV:Tashinas: "selling a +22 fireleaf dispel flaring t2 sigil staff, double dispel flares 169 diff 45mil"
Line 17578: [Merchant]-GSIV:Giujomo: "selling a +22 fireleaf dispel flaring t2 sigil staff, double dispel flares 169 diff 45mil"
Line 25341: [Merchant]-GSIV:Giujomo: "selling a +22 fireleaf dispel flaring t2 sigil staff, double dispel flares 169 difficulty 45mil"

[Neveragain]

This was in February, 2022.

[Merchant]-GSIV:Giantphang: "the real question is where is zaoloo?"
Line 3777: [Merchant]-You: "He's hiding as Enteen"
Line 11527: [Merchant]-You: "Zaoloo always scripted out of the same room when it came to DR. He started off scripting out of that room this run and then changed."

Line 8036: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "not like I'm trying to hide it, you obviously know, but my dad died last month of covid and I dont feel like dealing with lnet bullshit this dr, so if you could just leave me be, I'll do the same, thanks"
Line 8037: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "*know who I am"
Line 8075: [PrivateTo]-GSIV:Enteen: "I'm sorry for your loss."
Line 8087: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "thanks, seeing how disrespectful people have been about Draccor just makes me think I did the right thing"
Line 8159: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "dont have the energy I normally do to dismiss lnet bullshit and laugh bout it, have had my lnet hidden most this DR"
Line 8172: [PrivateTo]-GSIV:Enteen: "I was pretty bad after having to put my down dog last month, I can't imagine losing a parent."
Line 8173: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "I know I probly dont deserve it but thanks for the courtesy, respek knucks"
Line 8230: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "oh well my 17 year old cat and my 10 year old dog died in 2020 also, its been rough couple years"
Line 8231: [Private]-GSIV:Enteen: "damn that sucks, sorry to hear it"

I think he was permanently banned in August of 2022 and used whatever character they didn't link via accounts to him to cash out.



Line 15797: Also here: Enteen, Guijomo, Cruitokic

LOL. Is this him pretending to have a conversation and not noticing it's the same character?

[audioserf]

The Cyrogic PC account was last logged in on Oct 17th, lol

[Rjex]

The Cyrogic PC account was last logged in on Oct 17th, lol

Well, I guess we can rule out the hit by a bus theory.

[Alastir]

First of all I’m ruol. And I haven’t played in a long time. You can ask anyone I’ve done business with I don’t scam. You think I’d scam for 2900 then come back to sell a $225 character? ROFL

It would help, at least me, if you would clarify which of the following characters are yours.



[Duskruin Arena, Dungeon]
You notice a carved ur-barath totem, a carved ur-barath totem, a carved ur-barath totem, a lump of kelyn ore, a lump of mithril ore, a wooden arrow, some cactacae spine, some calamia fruit and a gornar-shackled ogre.
Also here: Grand Lord Siamo, High Lord Zaoloo, Ruol, Castellan Althaz, Grand Lord Reugo, Lord Zunos, Grand Lord Bato, Zunjis
Obvious exits: south

Associated, but assumed F2P Giant Wizards used for farming bloodscrip:
Moongoler, Morganto, Fisturath




[Caligos Isle, Eel Beds]
You notice the Taelrak disk, a plump-faced gnome child, a deep sand-filled hole and a warped wooden sign.
Also here: Ritabiff, Grand Lord Bato, Zunjis, Roft, High Lord Zaoloo, Goagane, Vesemir, Valulrath, Zanarm, Moongoler, Morganto, Slar, Grand Lord Siamo

[Crooksncastles]

None of them, thats all Zao. I ran Ruol, Cleffknoat, Donlaff and a few others. I was wondering why he deleted and blocked all our text communications rofl.

[Rjex]

So from discord convos we have at least 6 people affected now.

[Neveragain]

So from discord convos we have at least 6 people affected now.

This is almost as entertaining as the Darrell Brooks hearing.

[Fortybox]

About time PC got juicy.

Thank goodness Alastir stalks everyone and logs it all down.

[Uhlak]

So. At what point does Tservin get pulled into this, since he knows where Zaoloo lives, in the real world?

[Dud]

I would have never guessed Zaoloo was a piece of shit from reading his lnet chats.

[Uhlak]

People's personalities tend to be amplified on LNet because they think it won't reach their real world. And, for the most part, it doesn't.

But, Tservin knows where Zaoloo lives. I wanna see how that plays out when this community finds out. I don't know about you, but I'd be pretty peeved at being scammed for $2,900 bucks.

[Neveragain]

So. At what point does Tservin get pulled into this, since he knows where Zaoloo lives, in the real world?

What purpose would that serve, other than just creating more drama for us to eat popcorn to?

You're basically looking at small claims court if any money was actually exchanged. Then you have to convince a judge to make a decision on a "phantom" object that is actually owned by a third party.

I would wager most judges are going to consider this a stupid tax.

[Eurial]

Oh, this reminds me of the Big Bang episode where Sheldon's WoW account got hacked and all of this stuff was stolen. He and the group went to visit the dude that stole his stuff. I would so totally show up on this douche bags doorstep and demand satisfaction.

ROFLMAO

Eurial.

[Tgo01]

Oh, this reminds me of the Big Bang episode where Sheldon's WoW account got hacked and all of this stuff was stolen. He and the group went to visit the dude that stole his stuff. I would so totally show up on this douche bags doorstep and demand satisfaction.

ROFLMAO

Eurial.

But in that episode the guy mugged them when they showed up at his doorstep and they had to bring Penny along next time to knee him in the balls to get him to give them all their stuff back.

So just saying, might want to bring a skinny blonde along just in case.

[Eurial]

LMAO. I am much meaner IRL than Penny and My wife is an absolute bitch. Not worried about this dude at all.

Eurial

[Neveragain]

I would so totally show up on this douche bags doorstep and demand satisfaction.

ROFLMAO

Eurial.

This would be a very, very bad idea.

All the "items" that you folks buy and trade are owned by SIMU. Even the $25,000 text boots are still owned by SIMU.

[Realk]

At least it got reversed and got people talking about it in the open. The people it sucks for are the ones that lost the silver.

[BJARN]

So. At what point does Tservin get pulled into this, since he knows where Zaoloo lives, in the real world?

Probably never because he met him for like 11 minutes in 2004?

[Eurial]

Let's hope the moderators here do a better job in the future. It seems clear that there were indications that this guy was a pariah. Maybe in the future they will monitor things and block folks before it gets to this point.

Eurial

[Flap]

Let's hope the moderators here do a better job in the future. It seems clear that there were indications that this guy was a pariah. Maybe in the future they will monitor things and block folks before it gets to this point.

Eurial

Well there's a rep system that works really really well! Very effective at determining who's a piece of shit :)

[Realk]

what mods?

[Neveragain]

Let's hope the moderators here do a better job in the future. It seems clear that there were indications that this guy was a pariah. Maybe in the future they will monitor things and block folks before it gets to this point.

Eurial

In all honesty, everyone that is buying and selling for real life cash should be considered sketchy. Everyone should know it's an "enter at your own risk" circumstance.

Gemstone is known to attract mentally unstable customers. You already have 3 red flags in this fiasco, the thief, the customer that says they will show up at your doorstep and the one that wants to drag a person into it because they once met the thief.

[adred]

Liked :thumbup:


You already have 3 red flags in this fiasco, the thief, the customer that says they will show up at your doorstep and the one that wants to drag a person into it because they once met the thief.

[Tgo01]

This thread inspired me to create an automatic middleman character/script so we can hopefully avoid these issues in the future.

Check it out:

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?134965-Working-on-a-new-service-automatic-middleman&p=2270730#post2270730

[Fleur-de-me]

In all honesty, everyone that is buying and selling for real life cash should be considered sketchy. Everyone should know it's an "enter at your own risk" circumstance.

Gemstone is known to attract mentally unstable customers. You already have 3 red flags in this fiasco, the thief, the customer that says they will show up at your doorstep and the one that wants to drag a person into it because they once met the thief.

This is correct.:flames:

[GS4Faulkil]

He swindled 80 million silver from me not too long ago. I posted about it in merchant feedback.

-- Faulkil

[GS4Faulkil]

Character names I interacted with were: Giujomo and Boomdooms.

-- Faulkil

[Gelston]

He swindled 80 million silver from me not too long ago. I posted about it in merchant feedback.

-- Faulkil

That thread is so big, hardly anyone is going through go through there and look for names.

When scammed, people should really just create a new thread like this.

[Tgo01]

That thread is so big, hardly anyone is going through go through there and look for names.

When scammed, people should really just create a new thread like this.

Yup. I very rarely read that thread. That thread seems more like to me for people who had a positive/negative experience with someone, not necessarily that they were scammed, they just maybe didn't like the person's attitude or they took too long or something.

Every scammed transaction really should have its own thread.

[Fleur-de-me]

When scammed

As much as I hate your obvious assumption, you're probably right in that its just a matter of time till it happens again.

[Gelston]

As much as I hate your obvious assumption, you're probably right in that its just a matter of time till it happens again.

Well, you know the game is really going down the tubes when the scammers are 100% gone.

[Taernath]

Last scammer out the door, please turn off the lights.

[SonoftheNorth]

Bloodscrip Preorders were a disaster waiting to happen

[Realk]

Bloodscrip Preorders were a disaster waiting to happen

In context to this particular situation, it wasn't a preorder, it seems to have been a transaction during the offseason.

[tohrment]

Hey I’m althaz and valulrath!

[BLZrizz]

When entering into deals, ask these questions: is the person invested in and respectful of our community? Do they show concern for and are prudent custodians of their reputation in said community?

In this particular instance, the warning signs were always there. Again, there isn't a need for fear mongering, because 99.999% of transactions, cash or otherwise, end up just fine.

The age old maxims of commerce still apply:

- Deal with established people/characters with sterling reputations for civil conduct, and not just in transactions
- If it's too good to be true it probably is
- Don't commit anything you can't afford to lose

[Asha]

If you have their Discord it helps too. Its nice to have a look at them and see if they're registered on the GS server.
Also definitely think a go between intermediary whatever is a great idea for large purchases and take their fee as price of doing business.

And yeah mods left the forum a long time ago. I think Anticor was the last to go. Kranar lurks

[BLZrizz]

Third party intermediaries don't protect against the most common type of GS4 scams and wouldn't have protected against the last two, which were post transaction scams. I think this is what Ardwen was getting at. It's a false sense of security.

Kibosen/Voidalyn was a buy side scam. The one here was a "(nominally) reliable guy gone bad" which has happened since the dawn of gemstone, a variant of the "i gave my buddy my password and he sold all my stuff" scam.

[Realk]

When entering into deals, ask these questions: is the person invested in and respectful of our community?

for years though he was, at least invested.. respectful is debatable. It easily could have been me or at least a dozen of other people. I just had no reason for that much BS

[Realk]

Third party intermediaries don't protect against the most common type of GS4 scams and wouldn't have protected against the last two, which were post transaction scams. I think this is what Ardwen was getting at. It's a false sense of security.

yes and no, if it requires the character to not be able to accept the item until after it's confirmed on paypal or whatever... then it least it's another layer.

this one wasnt a post transaction situation. he didnt do a charge back on it.. just never showed

[BLZrizz]

for years though he was, at least invested.. respectful is debatable.

I'm glad you brought this up. This was someone who, by his actions and conduct, told the community to f-off, I don't care what you think of me, and you all suck consistently throughout his playing career. He also consistently disregarded game rules and was banned on a fairly regular basis. This begs the question why he was permitted to remain as long has he did.

It's not a major leap of logic that he would eventually give the final middle finger to the community, the same he was giving in sizable chunks throughout.

[BLZrizz]

yes and no, if it requires the character to not be able to accept the item until after it's confirmed on paypal or whatever... then it least it's another layer.

Yes a layer that's about a micron thick and provides zero protection against the most common type of gemstone scam and wouldn't have protected against this and the last most recent scam. Most of the risk in the transaction happens after the item and payment have already changed hands.

Buy the seller, not the item. If you really can't trust the other person to hand a thing over in game, you likely should not be dealing with them at all.

[Realk]

i've only used paypal to do gemstone deals and never had a problem on either side.. but how do you even dispute a ftf paypal transaction?

[BLZrizz]

i've only used paypal to do gemstone deals and never had a problem on either side.. but how do you even dispute a ftf paypal transaction?

No one is going to get into that here. Suffice it to say, you had good transactions because 99.9% of people in game are honest and trustworthy and 99.9999% of transactions turn out perfectly fine, not because the payment standard we use is a good one.

[Rjex]

Kibosen somehow managed to initiate paypal disputes on fnf transactions like a year after the fact, against 5 people. Paypal eventually told him to fuck off and afaik everyone got their money back. But I think it was largely a case of one vs many, and that's what made paypal question it, if it was a single transaction, the seller could've been screwed as paypal tends to side with the buyer. We all thought fnf was final, it's really not.

[Tgo01]

Yes a layer that's about a micron thick and provides zero protection against the most common type of gemstone scam and wouldn't have protected against this and the last most recent scam.

I think a third party could have prevented this scam. The problem with this scam is Zaoloo never delivered the bloodscrip so it's possible he didn't even have it. If the buyer could have seen that the bloodscrip was handed off to a third party they would at least known the bloodscrip existed and the seller gave it to a third party to hold.

True, the seller could then just claim they never received payment, but at least the item would be in the hands of a third party who could maybe look at emails and PayPal statements and communications and whatnot.

Although really a third party would just benefit the buyer, the seller isn't really protected by a third party.

A third party should eliminate seller scams (well except if they lie about an item's stats, unless the third party actually verifies those stats), but buyer scams via charge backs could still exist, but at least then they would have to go through PayPal or whatnot who would be the final arbiter.

In my third party script idea I'm going to introduce stats such as how often a person has sold something successfully, how many times someone has bought something successfully, and how many disputes the person has been in and been ruled against. Not perfect, but it might put someone at ease if they see a person has done 100 transactions with no problems though.

But as you said, most transactions go through just fine so I'm not sure how often this service would be used, but gonna try anyways to see.

[Realk]

I feel like in 2022, Paypal should have a policy and understand that some buyers and sellers are bad.. for virtual items. What exactly that policy is i don't know. I guess it really is only trade at your own risk. It seems to be backwards imo.

[Fortybox]

I'm glad you brought this up. This was someone who, by his actions and conduct, told the community to f-off, I don't care what you think of me, and you all suck consistently throughout his playing career. He also consistently disregarded game rules and was banned on a fairly regular basis. This begs the question why he was permitted to remain as long has he did.

It's not a major leap of logic that he would eventually give the final middle finger to the community, the same he was giving in sizable chunks throughout.

Nah. Simu told him to take a hike so he did the same to the players.

Some men want to watch the world burn.

[Neveragain]

I feel like in 2022, Paypal should have a policy and understand that some buyers and sellers are bad.. for virtual items. What exactly that policy is i don't know. I guess it really is only trade at your own risk. It seems to be backwards imo.

Virtual items, when it comes to gaming, are normally not legally owned by the seller. If anything, Paypal would ban the sale of virtual items.

[BLZrizz]

Simu told him to take a hike so he did the same to the players.

Agree. And one will have to reflect on which of two types of people would be more likely to do this on their way out:

1) someone who comported him/herself with respect for others and the game;
2) someone who consistently acted with disrespect for others and the game, engaged in vile public fights on a near daily basis, had already been ignored by large swaths of the population, and had nothing really to lose by giving everyone a final FU

[Winter]

i've only used paypal to do gemstone deals and never had a problem on either side.. but how do you even dispute a ftf paypal transaction?

Paypal told me you can't directly under normal circumstances, they won't side either party with friends and family, Kibosen made multiple charge backs with his bank/cc provider. I think everyone received refunds specifically because that case ended up with Paypal's fraud department dealing with it for a quite a few reasons.

[Realk]

Virtual items, when it comes to gaming, are normally not legally owned by the seller. If anything, Paypal would ban the sale of virtual items.

that's why I think most people, myself being one assumed ftf was a safer way of trading that way. I'd say use zelle or something, but that's a lot more personal

Paypal can't ban the sell of virtual items, cause that's virtually impossible when those transfers go through. What are they gonna make you do... ask if you sold your chevy that you drove 10 years ago.. or sold a character on gemstone.

if it's friends and family... there could be any reason. allowing charge backs, by paypal or banking companies is bullshit. I know Chase hasn't allowed me to do it for even reasons that were real.

[Fortybox]

Agree. And one will have to reflect on which of two types of people would be more likely to do this on their way out:

1) someone who comported him/herself with respect for others and the game;
2) someone who consistently acted with disrespect for others and the game, engaged in vile public fights on a near daily basis, had already been ignored by large swaths of the population, and had nothing really to lose by giving everyone a final FU

My comment was more about Simu being the reason for why this happened. Simu ended him so he decided to go out with a bang.

[BLZrizz]

My comment was more about Simu being the reason for why this happened. Simu ended him so he decided to go out with a bang.

Simu caused this guy to steal from a fellow player? Sounds legit. I guess this explains why people keep pumping money into Duskruin.

[Neveragain]

multiple charge backs with his bank/cc provider. I think everyone received refunds specifically because that case ended up with Paypal's fraud department dealing with it for a quite a few reasons.

Interestingly enough, several banks blocked debit card usage with Blizzard entertainment last month.

The gaming community as a whole has become so shady that the banks are turning down their transactions.

[Fortybox]

Simu caused this guy to steal from a fellow player? Sounds legit. I guess this explains why people keep pumping money into Duskruin.

After years of solid, trustworthy merchanting, I doubt he just all of a sudden decided to screw people over. Simu’s policies are stupid and they’ve been driving players away.

Love him or hate him, he was a significant contributor to player transactions.

[Winter]

Nah. Simu told him to take a hike so he did the same to the players.

Some men want to watch the world burn.

Yeah I honestly I don't think it was Zaoloo's intention to go out at scam everyone, I think it was 100% reaction to his ban. He's been playing the game with the same demeanor for the past 2 decades absolutely obnoxious attitude but a stellar merchant history during that time. 99.99% of people in this game will fall over themselves to correct a mistake, even the crazy ones.

I think he was his usual abusive self to a GM expecting at worst to get a temp ban like he has done for the past 20 odd years, then being hit with perma ban will have destroyed him. He's been playing this game for the majority of his life and whether he admits it or not that sort of rejection is going to hurt.

So Simu will have permanently confiscated his GS fortune to the abyss (we can only imagine what he lost) on top of what he owed everybody. In this instance specifically I think Simu should have given him a grace period to at least square things with everyone before parting ways for good.

To be clear I don't blame Simu for any of Zaoloo's behaviour after the ban, that permaban was a long time coming and Zaoloo attempting literal 10 years in prison fraud on innocent people just goes beyond the pale it's in the same vein as "angry school shooter", it's out of character and I think he knows he's better than that.

[Realk]

I'm not gonna quote that entire thing.. but i feel simu has nothing to do with anyone being shady as fuck.. so I agree ... but to say his intention wasn't to scam some folks... obviously yes it was.

[Winter]

. but to say his intention wasn't to scam some folks... obviously yes it was.

Well it was obviously after the ban but if you'd asked me 2 months ago is Zaoloo a scammer I would have said no.

[Fortybox]

I'm not gonna quote that entire thing.. but i feel simu has nothing to do with anyone being shady as fuck.. so I agree ... but to say his intention wasn't to scam some folks... obviously yes it was.

Simu cut his balls off. They have everything to do with it.

It’s like every Villain origin story.

[Taernath]

What was his permaban for?

[Realk]

likely scripting DR he and a few were caught in that mess. Even if you get punished, it's a pussy way out to point fingers and steal. The pegganne fiasco and i guess maybe his is why they rethought policy.

[Fortybox]

What was his permaban for?

DR scripting and revenge for humiliating Wyrom back in December 2018.

[Rjex]

What was his permaban for?

My money is on Itzel.

[Velfi]

https://i.imgur.com/y9lIJqt.gif

[BLZrizz]

He's been playing the game with the same demeanor for the past 2 decades absolutely obnoxious attitude but a stellar merchant history during that time. 99.99% of people in this game will fall over themselves to correct a mistake, even the crazy ones.

A tourist is backpacking through the highlands of Scotland, and he stops at a pub to get a drink. And the only people in there is a bartender and an old man nursing a beer. And he orders a pint, and they sit in silence for a while. And suddenly the old man turns to him and goes, "You see this bar? I built this bar with my bare hands from the finest wood in the county. Gave it more love and care than my own child. But do they call me MacGregor the bar builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that stone wall out there? I built that stone wall with my bare hands. Found every stone, placed them just so through the rain and the cold. But do they call me MacGregor the stone wall builder? No." Points out the window. "You see that pier on the lake out there? I built that pier with my bare hands. Drove the pilings against the tide of the sand, plank by plank. But do they call me MacGregor the pier builder? No. But you fuck one goat ... "

In all seriousness though, you seem like a nice compassionate fellow. But to those who were paying attention, "troubled player causes more trouble" was literally the non-surprise of the century.

[nask]

Cryptocurrency can solve the money handling part. Can be as simple as having a trusted member hold the transfer-wallet and item

[HouseofElves]

I had an issue with him back in August too, thankfully my bank was able to help out but I waited a couple of months to do anything because in his last message he said he was handling stuff for his mother's estate so I figured he was in the process of grieving/stressed and didn't want to be a dick about it. I regret that if I hadn't been so considerate this might have not been an issue for others.

[Rjex]

I had an issue with him back in August too, thankfully my bank was able to help out but I waited a couple of months to do anything because in his last message he said he was handling stuff for his mother's estate so I figured he was in the process of grieving/stressed and didn't want to be a dick about it. I regret that if I hadn't been so considerate this might have not been an issue for others.

That's 8 now. Why people have stayed so quiet, it's bizarre.

[HouseofElves]

I explained why. I thought the dude was in the midst of bereavement.

[Tgo01]

That's 8 now. Why people have stayed so quiet, it's bizarre.

It's kind of a catch-22 for calling well known people out who haven't scammed before.

I've seen Person A call out Person B only for Person A to be castigated when Person B comes along and made things right after being called out.

So if they speak up too early they risk being the bad guy in the situation if the potential scammer comes along and explains why it took him so long to make things right, and if they don't speak up they risk losing money/items and puts other put at risk of also potentially being scammed.

It's possible Zaoloo knew this fact (I'm pretty sure he himself has castigated others for calling people out) and was stringing people along for as long as possible before people decided to start posting their dealings with him.

[Neveragain]

Link to copyrights info:

https://gswiki.play.net/Gswiki:Copyrights

Link to Gemstone policies:

https://gswiki.play.net/Policy



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6sbPCIEMyI

There's not a single party that's involved with this that is at not at some level of guilt. SIMU even holds some level of responsibility for turning a blind eye to their policies. This is why AAA gaming companies try to stay active in preventing cash sales, if they were to ignore it the "Fuck around find out" law will eventually cost them.

[zhagen]

I have always been in awe of how quickly people will shove $1,000, $5,000, or heck even $10K+ items into the hands of the players doing services. (Sometimes they pick relatively unknown sellers just because they are cheap!) I know we are all "adults" here and I feel like GS is so ingrained in us at this point that being labeled scammers or social pariahs by the community is actually a material deterrent that would take away happiness. If Zaoloo really didn't have anything left to lose or worse yet lost EVERYTHING and had no real life way of paying people back then that is much more believable. Did he ever say he was perma-banned like Peggy vs. the typical half year slap on the wrists?

[MispronouncedHeroine]

Did Peggy get perma-banned?

[Tgo01]

Did Peggy get perma-banned?

I think it was 6 months or a year.

[Velfi]

It's kind of a catch-22 for calling well known people out who haven't scammed before.

I've seen Person A call out Person B only for Person A to be castigated when Person B comes along and made things right after being called out.

So if they speak up too early they risk being the bad guy in the situation if the potential scammer comes along and explains why it took him so long to make things right, and if they don't speak up they risk losing money/items and puts other put at risk of also potentially being scammed.

It's possible Zaoloo knew this fact (I'm pretty sure he himself has castigated others for calling people out) and was stringing people along for as long as possible before people decided to start posting their dealings with him.

This was basically the business model for ItsSliker, and he took other streamers and even his own mods and viewers for over $300k. Keep it personal.

[Fortybox]

I have always been in awe of how quickly people will shove $1,000, $5,000, or heck even $10K+ items into the hands of the players doing services. (Sometimes they pick relatively unknown sellers just because they are cheap!) I know we are all "adults" here and I feel like GS is so ingrained in us at this point that being labeled scammers or social pariahs by the community is actually a material deterrent that would take away happiness. If Zaoloo really didn't have anything left to lose or worse yet lost EVERYTHING and had no real life way of paying people back then that is much more believable. Did he ever say he was perma-banned like Peggy vs. the typical half year slap on the wrists?

I’m pretty sure he got perma-banned and couldn’t fulfill his obligations. So it was a middle finger to Simu and a disregard to those he scammed along the way.

Simu shouldn’t have pushed that hard or at the very least, timed it away from the event. Netflix is coming out with Simu, The Making of a Douchebag next month.

[Rjex]

That seems most plausible really, that he got locked out and just decided to say fuck it and move on.

[Tgo01]

That seems most plausible really, that he got locked out and just decided to say fuck it and move on.

He could claim that as an "excuse" for his scams pre-August, he's still a douche for doing it. But scamming someone a couple of weeks ago just shows that he's a gigantic douche. I'm assuming he's still scamming people because he's gotten away with it for months.

[Subeta]

One year… I’m considering shattered to continue work on osa. We will see…

[Subeta]

I’ve known Zaoloo for a while and this is unlike him, also he’s not answering his discord. I am pretty sure something happened to him irl that takes priority. GS was a game for him like the rest of us. The money he made from DR was chump change compared to what he makes irl. I strongly doubt this was intentional. That being said, it’s entirely possible Itzel got him again. She is who got me and she’s been on a rampage.

[Gelston]

I’ve known Zaoloo for a while and this is unlike him, also he’s not answering his discord. I am pretty sure something happened to him irl that takes priority. GS was a game for him like the rest of us. The money he made from DR was chump change compared to what he makes irl. I strongly doubt this was intentional. That being said, it’s entirely possible Itzel got him again. She is who got me and she’s been on a rampage.

That isn’t an excuse to try and steal money from people.

[Subeta]

Not at all… but if he had a heart attack or got a ban, it’s not necessarily stealing. It’s unfortunate and I’m sure when he can he will fix It. Or not, it’s also entirely possible he just said fuck it. All I’m saying is it’s not characteristic of him to do that. Have we also considered the other possibilities? Maybe the person who was robbed from is fabricating the event to spite Zaoloo in some elaborate scheme to ruin his merchanting rep. Zaoloo was well known for pissing people off and we all know it wouldn’t be the first time somone has made a smear campaign against a player ;)

[Subeta]

On another note… that is not at all the PayPal he uses and since I’ve known Zaoloo he’s only used one PayPal. I also recall him telling me last DR that he sold a bunch of his alts. Pretty sure Guijomo was one of them.

[Eurial]

Can't say for sure that it was Zaoloo. Never knew him, but someone else got scammed by him at at the same paypal email that is did.

Eurial

[Neveragain]

Like a bad episode of 90210, Gemstoners continue to deliver.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/TanLastGemsbuck-max-1mb.gif

[Rjex]

Not at all… but if he had a heart attack or got a ban, it’s not necessarily stealing. It’s unfortunate and I’m sure when he can he will fix It. Or not, it’s also entirely possible he just said fuck it. All I’m saying is it’s not characteristic of him to do that. Have we also considered the other possibilities? Maybe the person who was robbed from is fabricating the event to spite Zaoloo in some elaborate scheme to ruin his merchanting rep. Zaoloo was well known for pissing people off and we all know it wouldn’t be the first time somone has made a smear campaign against a player ;)

By last count it's 8 separate people, highly doubt they're all making it up lol.

[Subeta]

Yeah…. typical GSer stuff. It’s been nice taking a break but I still miss the hell out of the game. I know it’s gonna be a shitstorm of drama when I come back too.

[Subeta]

By last count it's 8 separate people, highly doubt they're all making it up lol.

Just said it’s a possibility. I’m not pointing any fingers. If anything I think it’s someone posing as Zaoloo. Like I said I am quite sure he sold and/delete a ton of alts. Not to mention some of the alts weren’t his.

[Eurial]

Yeah…. typical GSer stuff. It’s been nice taking a break but I still miss the hell out of the game. I know it’s gonna be a shitstorm of drama when I come back too.

If you're bringing more drama to the realms, stay away. We got enough already.

Eurial

[Taernath]

If he had a heart attack or other serious RL emergency no one will hold it against him, but until we hear different doing anything but looking out for yourself would be naive.

[Subeta]

If he had a heart attack or other serious RL emergency no one will hold it against him, but until we hear different doing anything but looking out for yourself would be naive.

Oh I agree. Also drama sort of just follows me. Not so much that I cause it anymore. Albeit I did my share of drama over the years.

[SonoftheNorth]

This is kinda what's wrong with the GS economy, you see someone price gouging, scamming, etc and it's just "DON"T BUY IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT" or you get mobbed by the other sleazy merchants so anyone is afraid to say anything. Don't take bloodscrip preorders etc if you can't pay people back if something happens.

[SonoftheNorth]

He didn't have a heart attack while logging in to give 15 different people their bloodscrip, sorry. And if he keeled over dead he won't care about his merchanting reputation.

[Sorcasaurus]

it's also been a few months between incidents. If something had happened in RL I'd expect outstanding debts without new attempts and forum log ins up through last week.

[audioserf]

'i don't think zaoloo did this, i think it's someone impersonating him to ruin his reputation' sure is a take i wasn't expecting to read, but it's peggyanne, so that checks out

[Neveragain]

'i don't think zaoloo did this, i think it's someone impersonating him to ruin his reputation' sure is a take i wasn't expecting to read, but it's peggyanne, so that checks out

It wouldn't be the first time the lunatics in GS have done that.

[Methais]

I’ve known Zaoloo for a while and this is unlike him, also he’s not answering his discord. I am pretty sure something happened to him irl that takes priority. GS was a game for him like the rest of us. The money he made from DR was chump change compared to what he makes irl. I strongly doubt this was intentional. That being said, it’s entirely possible Itzel got him again. She is who got me and she’s been on a rampage.

Dude was logged in and active on LNet almost 24/7 for years, way before working from home became a widespread thing. I doubt he actually had a rl job, which is probably why he went nuts after getting banned from GS, since that's most likely his livelihood, and probably considers the recent scams as his severance package, involuntarily funded by the player base.

[Fleur-de-me]

Dude was logged in and active on LNet almost 24/7 for years, way before working from home became a widespread thing. I doubt he actually had a rl job, which is probably why he went nuts after getting banned from GS, since that's most likely his livelihood, and probably considers the recent scams as his severance package, involuntarily funded by the player base.

Yep, Occam's Razor.

[Fleur-de-me]

It wouldn't be the first time the lunatics in GS have done that.

How people find time in their lives for crap like that i'll never know or understand.

[Subeta]

Dude was logged in and active on LNet almost 24/7 for years, way before working from home became a widespread thing. I doubt he actually had a rl job, which is probably why he went nuts after getting banned from GS, since that's most likely his livelihood, and probably considers the recent scams as his severance package, involuntarily funded by the player base.

He and his gf buy and sell antiques. They make a very good living doing it. Not to mention is drug sales lol

[Neveragain]

How people find time in their lives for crap like that i'll never know or understand.

Gemstone is a sandbox being supported by a small majority of customers for a very small group of actual participants. If one of the non-participants plants a foot in the sandbox they will be ushered out of the sandbox at any cost.

https://media.tenor.com/JiEyyeRWEMcAAAAM/it-is-known-yes.gif

[Methais]

He and his gf buy and sell antiques. They make a very good living doing it. Not to mention is drug sales lol

I suppose ICE age items are probably considered antiques.

[Realk]

lol

i'm sure he enjoys you telling the story about it also.. He did some shitty stuff, don't need extra folks around for backing.

[Asha]

i'm sure he enjoys you telling the story about it also.. He did some shitty stuff, don't need extra folks around for backing.
This.

The person ripped people off. There's no evidence to show otherwise.
People have in the past lost their connection to GS and taken as much as they could with them by screwing people over.
It's possible he got sick or there was an emergency causing him to get money any way he could but this doesn't change the fact he stole from people and he's an asshole for it.
And blaming Simu is hilarious. The theif can chill we'll just go after the company that made the items. PayPal can take the blame too while we're at it. Oh and the Players Corner for the thread.

[Fortybox]

This.

The person ripped people off. There's no evidence to show otherwise.
People have in the past lost their connection to GS and taken as much as they could with them by screwing people over.
It's possible he got sick or there was an emergency causing him to get money any way he could but this doesn't change the fact he stole from people and he's an asshole for it.
And blaming Simu is hilarious. The theif can chill we'll just go after the company that made the items. PayPal can take the blame too while we're at it. Oh and the Players Corner for the thread.

How is blaming Simu hilarious? Their policies likely contributed to his actions.

They chopped off his dick. I’m not surprised he retaliated and decided to bring the world down with him. Poor guy.

[Lord Orbstar]

why was zaoloo banned ? how did simu chop off his dick, so to speak? I have been gone and am going to start playing again, but I am not up on who the latest scammers are. Zaoloo was one i trusted

[MispronouncedHeroine]

Does anyone have first hand knowledge about Zaoloo's ban? I just assumed since he disappeared.

Zaoloo used to be trustworthy. His prices sucked, but his goods were as advertised. I did a medium sized transaction with him a few years back, but it was with the e-mail in the thread title - so I conspiracy theories aside, I am pretty sure he broke bad.

Anyone else think he still around in some form? A few new names on the lnet merchant channel and a few less vulgarities. Caveat emptor.

[Neveragain]

Does anyone have first hand knowledge about Zaoloo's ban? I just assumed since he disappeared.

Zaoloo used to be trustworthy. His prices sucked, but his goods were as advertised. I did a medium sized transaction with him a few years back, but it was with the e-mail in the thread title - so I conspiracy theories aside, I am pretty sure he broke bad.

Anyone else think he still around in some form? A few new names on the lnet merchant channel and a few less vulgarities. Caveat emptor.

I'm Zaoloo and one of the new characters on merchant channels.

[Fortybox]

why was zaoloo banned ? how did simu chop off his dick, so to speak? I have been gone and am going to start playing again, but I am not up on who the latest scammers are. Zaoloo was one i trusted

I’m too lazy to link the thread but I bumped it in general.

tl;dr - Wyrom pissed off the PC for pulling in Zaoloo to the consultation room for things he said on Lnet. Zaoloo bragged about that exchange for years.

Wyrom got the last laugh.

[Bryce]

I am guessing something bad happened to Zaoloo. He could have called my brother for a 10k loan. It wasn’t the first loan he gave him. Zaoloo always paid him back. Tens of thousands of dollars over a decade or more. My brother is ban so I don’t know any of the details and Zaoloo isn’t responding to his texts or DM’s.

My brother just found out about this in the game RUST completely random

[zhagen]

Maybe Wyrom can make a special exception and raid Zaoloo's locker/bank and then auction off the contents. All proceeds to be given to the "Victims of Zaoloo-gate" fund.

[Bryce]

No way some of that stuff is my brothers

[Rjex]

Path died so it's ok, we can auction off his stuff along with Zaoloo's.

[Fleur-de-me]

Path died so it's ok, we can auction off his stuff along with Zaoloo's.

Sounds legit.

[SonoftheNorth]

Maybe Wyrom can make a special exception and raid Zaoloo's locker/bank and then auction off the contents. All proceeds to be given to the "Victims of Zaoloo-gate" fund.


In that case he stole from me too

[Bryce]

Don't be scared of dying. A Pathragers dies all the time.
You don't hear him ever complaining about it.

[Methais]

Path died so it's ok, we can auction off his stuff along with Zaoloo's.

When I checked with Path to verify this, he confirmed that he did indeed die.

[Asha]

When a player dies they might have someone who has the details who can redistribute their belongings. Obviously a player dying is horrible and worse than anything else, but its worse for their collection when they just quit the lands forever. In most cases (SPEAKER X1m) they just keep their locker filled in case they ever want to return.
Which blows my mind because they could sell it all for like a billion $
I looked through Ardwens shop yesterday and though I know some of it is just lockered there at prices no one would pay, I did the maths and hes worth about the same as Elon Musk. More or less. :)

[Methais]

When a player dies they might have someone who has the details who can redistribute their belongings. Obviously a player dying is horrible and worse than anything else, but its worse for their collection when they just quit the lands forever. In most cases (SPEAKER X1m) they just keep their locker filled in case they ever want to return.
Which blows my mind because they could sell it all for like a billion $
I looked through Ardwens shop yesterday and though I know some of it is just lockered there at prices no one would pay, I did the maths and hes worth about the same as Elon Musk. More or less. :)

A true GS'er includes their login info and security question in their will.

Also in case anyone missed it in the RIP 2022 thread, Ciston's player died. :(

[Asha]

A true GS'er includes their login info and security question in their will.

Also in case anyone missed it in the RIP 2022 thread, Ciston's player died. :(

That is horrendous about Ciston :(
I just gave my details to my best friend who has no idea what GS is lol. I gave them instructions on who to call to help them sell it all character included. Should get them a nice profit even after the abysmal exchange of silvers -> $ -> £
I also gave them my specific instructions to go on Discord and tell all the GMs to fuck off before deactivating.

[Gelston]

I'm having my login info cremated.

[Asha]

I'm having my login info cremated.

:lol:

[Methais]

That is horrendous about Ciston :(
I just gave my details to my best friend who has no idea what GS is lol. I gave them instructions on who to call to help them sell it all character included. Should get them a nice profit even after the abysmal exchange of silvers -> $ -> £
I also gave them my specific instructions to go on Discord and tell all the GMs to fuck off before deactivating.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Lr4RSBQs8k9aCKKtjI/giphy.gif

[Methais]

I'm having my login info cremated.

Bury it somewhere and leave a treasure map to it in your will.

[zhagen]

To my loving wife, I leave the house and my retirement accounts valued at $475,000.

To my daughter, I leave a small $200,000 trust fund for the purposes of obtaining a higher education of their choice

And to my only son, I leave my most prized possession, a gemstone iv premium account with full Sigil Gear and a hat that has a 25% chance to give +2 defense when rubbed

[Bryce]

I queef all my brothers belongings to Astrenoir v1.0

[Asha]

To my loving wife, I leave the house and my retirement accounts valued at $475,000.

To my daughter, I leave a small $200,000 trust fund for the purposes of obtaining a higher education of their choice

And to my only son, I leave my most prized possession, a gemstone iv premium account with full Sigil Gear and a hat that has a 25% chance to give +2 defense when rubbed
Almost tear inducing how much you love your son. <3

[Fortybox]

A true GS'er includes their login info and security question in their will.

Also in case anyone missed it in the RIP 2022 thread, Ciston's player died. :(

*Aderion has entered the thread.

[Fortybox]

Bury it somewhere and leave a treasure map to it in your will.

With a cool object that someone has to use with it to get the REAL location of the treasure.

[Fleur-de-me]

To my loving wife, I leave the house and my retirement accounts valued at $475,000.

To my daughter, I leave a small $200,000 trust fund for the purposes of obtaining a higher education of their choice

And to my only son, I leave my most prized possession, a gemstone iv premium account with full Sigil Gear and a hat that has a 25% chance to give +2 defense when rubbed

It seems like a lot of people here betting on Simutronics and/or GS outliving them, I'd hedge my bets on the reverse that most of will out live the game, not the other way around. <shrug> :fingers:

[Methais]

It seems like a lot of people here betting on Simutronics and/or GS outliving them, I'd hedge my bets on the reverse that most of will out live the game, not the other way around. <shrug> :fingers:

I don't really doubt this, but at the same time people have been saying for 20+ years that GS is about to die, so there's also that.

Though Simu has been dumber than ever over the past handful of years with all the nerfs and P2W BS, and apparently a bunch of GMs are extra butthurt right now over people not liking their shitty nerfing and slowing combat down ideas, with some of them quitting or taking a leave, including apparently Naijin (not sure if he quit or is just taking a break or what) so...I don't actually know where I'm going with this.

[Dud]

To my loving wife, I leave the house and my retirement accounts valued at $475,000.

To my daughter, I leave a small $200,000 trust fund for the purposes of obtaining a higher education of their choice

And to my only son, I leave my most prized possession, a gemstone iv premium account with full Sigil Gear and a hat that has a 25% chance to give +2 defense when rubbed

That sigil gear will take you farther than a bachelors degree.

[RAR]

To my loving wife, I leave the house and my retirement accounts valued at $475,000.

To my daughter, I leave a small $200,000 trust fund for the purposes of obtaining a higher education of their choice

And to my only son, I leave my most prized possession, a gemstone iv premium account with full Sigil Gear and a hat that has a 25% chance to give +2 defense when rubbed

This is funny. But I know there are some valuable accounts out there and could definitely see family fighting over them just like any other big asset. They are probably better off not knowing about them.

[Asha]

This is funny. But I know there are some valuable accounts out there and could definitely see family fighting over them just like any other big asset. They are probably better off not knowing about them.

Like I said, some people have literal bowel shaking amount of RL cash invested in this game. Its a huge risk, Id be terrified of the day we get an in game announcement saying so long and thanks for all the fish.

[Eurial]

A true GS'er includes their login info and security question in their will.

Also in case anyone missed it in the RIP 2022 thread, Ciston's player died. :(

Wait, Ken (Ciston) died? Omfg

Eurial

[Ufian]

Like I said, some people have literal bowel shaking amount of RL cash invested in this game. Its a huge risk, Id be terrified of the day we get an in game announcement saying so long and thanks for all the fish.

One mans bowel shaking amount is another mans change in the couch. Play with what you can afford to lose, like any casino.

[Methais]

Wait, Ken (Ciston) died? Omfg

Eurial

From the RIP 2022 thread:


https://hillsidememorial.livecontrol.tv/954674fb

Ken Selden, known to many of us as Ciston.



:(

[Asha]

looks like he had a lot of people who cared about him. Good.

[Asha]

One mans bowel shaking amount is another mans change in the couch. Play with what you can afford to lose, like any casino.

Thats literally what ive been saying.

[Viekn]

Maybe Wyrom can make a special exception and raid Zaoloo's locker/bank and then auction off the contents. All proceeds to be given to the "Victims of Zaoloo-gate" fund.

Sooo...he's on lnet right now: [Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a leftover GEF token from like two EGs ago 12mil :D" (13:52:42)

[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling some +10 air lore bonus trousers 8mil" (13:54:53)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a 7x ghezyte maul w/ GEF void flares, 100mil" (13:55:34)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling an 8x Greater lightning flaring T5 ensorc lesser mood runestaff, 75mil" (13:56:16)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a +15 polearm weapon bonus, +11 harness power bonus ora greathelm, 50mil" (13:56:56)

[Tgo01]

Sooo...he's on lnet right now: [Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a leftover GEF token from like two EGs ago 12mil :D" (13:52:42)

[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling some +10 air lore bonus trousers 8mil" (13:54:53)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a 7x ghezyte maul w/ GEF void flares, 100mil" (13:55:34)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling an 8x Greater lightning flaring T5 ensorc lesser mood runestaff, 75mil" (13:56:16)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a +15 polearm weapon bonus, +11 harness power bonus ora greathelm, 50mil" (13:56:56)

I thought Zaoloo was like permabanned which is why he was scamming people on other characters?

LOL if that's actually him pretending nothing has happened. The guy has a lot of nerve.

[Neveragain]

Sooo...he's on lnet right now: [Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a leftover GEF token from like two EGs ago 12mil :D" (13:52:42)

[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling some +10 air lore bonus trousers 8mil" (13:54:53)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a 7x ghezyte maul w/ GEF void flares, 100mil" (13:55:34)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling an 8x Greater lightning flaring T5 ensorc lesser mood runestaff, 75mil" (13:56:16)
[Merchant]-GSIV:Zaoloo: "selling a +15 polearm weapon bonus, +11 harness power bonus ora greathelm, 50mil" (13:56:56)

As much as it sucks, nothing much SIMU can do unless they start to allow customer cash sales and open a currency exchange. SIMU's fault for not cracking down on cash sales decades ago.

SIMU can't even get a yarn hut right now.

[GS4Faulkil]

Just wanted to say for the record that I reached out to Zaoloo today and we were able to resolve our business to my satisfaction. Real life happens and not happy about the time that elapsed, but we are square now.

-- Faulkil

[Tgo01]

Well going by LNet messages, looks like Zaoloo is indeed going to just come back and everyone is going to pretend like nothing happened. Completely wild.

No wonder people feel comfortable scamming this community.

[Ufian]

It's also possible few people see him on lnet. I have a script that does lnet ignore for about 8 people I run when I start a new alt. He's certainly in that.

[Subeta]

See told ya it was all a misunderstanding and you guys thought he was running with your cash.

[C.Difficile]

See told ya it was all a misunderstanding and you guys thought he was running with your cash.

Was it? I don't see any of the other 4 people that were scammed piping up. Alt alert!

[Realk]

Was it? I don't see any of the other 4 people that were scammed piping up. Alt alert!

Subeta is Peggyanne whom is also banned for being a cheat of sorts through his scripts. So the buzz word when we do wrong is misunderstanding.

[Parkbandit]

See told ya it was all a misunderstanding and you guys thought he was running with your cash.

LOL

[gs4Pawn]

A true GS'er includes their login info and security question in their will.

Also in case anyone missed it in the RIP 2022 thread, Ciston's player died. :(



Well Shit. Another one gone. Was always fun merchanting with Ciston, Thought I spent *WAY* too much money with him back in the day.

[Subeta]

Subeta is Peggyanne whom is also banned for being a cheat of sorts through his scripts. So the buzz word when we do wrong is misunderstanding.

You always take a risk when you pre-order anything in GS. Especially when we all know full well that the currency you are pre-ordering is gotten via scripting. Zaoloo didn’t run with everyone’s money like you all thought. I seem to recall many comments that he took your money and ran. Yet he was caught scripting and got a ban and he’s back now too. Surely if you feel he’s wronged you it’s a misunderstanding, simply a series of misfortune. But I know Zaoloo well. He will make it right. Just talk to him.

[Parkbandit]

You always take a risk when you pre-order anything in GS. Especially when we all know full well that the currency you are pre-ordering is gotten via scripting. Zaoloo didn’t run with everyone’s money like you all thought. I seem to recall many comments that he took your money and ran. Yet he was caught scripting and got a ban and he’s back now too. Surely if you feel he’s wronged you it’s a misunderstanding, simply a series of misfortune. But I know Zaoloo well. He will make it right. Just talk to him.

LOL x2

[Makkah]

Cringy as fuck.

[Gelston]

You always take a risk when you pre-order anything in GS. Especially when we all know full well that the currency you are pre-ordering is gotten via scripting. Zaoloo didn’t run with everyone’s money like you all thought. I seem to recall many comments that he took your money and ran. Yet he was caught scripting and got a ban and he’s back now too. Surely if you feel he’s wronged you it’s a misunderstanding, simply a series of misfortune. But I know Zaoloo well. He will make it right. Just talk to him.

Sorry, if I send someone 3 grand and they never show up to deliver and then ghost me for three months I don't give a fuck what their personal issues were. Explain things or give me the money back. It is shady as fuck.

You're basing your entire "Didn't run with everyone's money" line off of one person (Faulkil) and he had to reach out TO HIM, not the other way around. And what about the other people on here that are saying he scammed them? Has he made that right with those other people?

[C.Difficile]

You always take a risk when you pre-order anything in GS. Especially when we all know full well that the currency you are pre-ordering is gotten via scripting. Zaoloo didn’t run with everyone’s money like you all thought. I seem to recall many comments that he took your money and ran. Yet he was caught scripting and got a ban and he’s back now too. Surely if you feel he’s wronged you it’s a misunderstanding, simply a series of misfortune. But I know Zaoloo well. He will make it right. Just talk to him.

No surprise AFK scripters stick together. What about the 225m this bag of dicks took from Altheren? Nothingf to do with BS preorders. Or is running off with someone's 225m also a "misunderstanding" to you?

[Altheren]

For what it is worth. Zaoloo is in the process of repaying me now. He has reached out and we have spoken.

[beldannon5]

Good that he is paying back. I would never do a pre-order from
Him again. (Never did before but wouldn't in future) Getting banned is one thing but the ghosting is unforgivable. On a side note. I do pre orders and have always delivered

[Tgo01]

I don’t understand how getting banned is even an excuse. The dude accepted cash in exchange for paying people an in game currency at a later date, he gets banned so he can no longer provide said in game currency (I understand this part), here is what a normal human being does: reaches out to these people, explain what happened, and GIVE ALL OF THEIR MONEY BACK IMMEDIATELY. This process shouldn’t take months and having a dozen people come forward saying you took their money.

Sure sounds like he thought he would never be unbanned or just decided he was done with the game so figured he would take everyone’s money with him, then he decided to play again and knows his name is mud in the merchanting circle so he is now finally getting around to paying people back, well 2 so far that we know of. It’s all kinds of amazing that many people seem to be okay with this series of events.

[Subeta]

Alright well in light of the numerous negative reputation reports I rescind my statement. Seems I don’t know all the facts myself. Sorry you all got taken for a ride. Hope it gets resolved.

[Methais]

I don’t understand how getting banned is even an excuse. The dude accepted cash in exchange for paying people an in game currency at a later date, he gets banned so he can no longer provide said in game currency (I understand this part), here is what a normal human being does: reaches out to these people, explain what happened, and GIVE ALL OF THEIR MONEY BACK IMMEDIATELY. This process shouldn’t take months and having a dozen people come forward saying you took their money.

Sure sounds like he thought he would never be unbanned or just decided he was done with the game so figured he would take everyone’s money with him, then he decided to play again and knows his name is mud in the merchanting circle so he is now finally getting around to paying people back, well 2 so far that we know of. It’s all kinds of amazing that many people seem to be okay with this series of events.

>gets banned with a bunch of cash from people from game
>use cash to buy drugs
>sell drugs until ban is lifted
>repay people after ban is lifted

I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying it's a logical option if someone finds themselves in a pinch and happens to have a stack of other people's money to play around with for a while.

[Parkbandit]

Alright well in light of the numerous negative reputation reports I rescind my statement. Seems I don’t know all the facts myself. Sorry you all got taken for a ride. Hope it gets resolved.

I personally accept your apology because I'm gracious and humble.

[Gelston]

>gets banned with a bunch of cash from people from game
>use cash to buy drugs
>sell drugs until ban is lifted
>repay people after ban is lifted

I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying it's a logical option if someone finds themselves in a pinch and happens to have a stack of other people's money to play around with for a while.

Didn’t someone say he said his wife buys and resells antiques or some shit? Or is that someone else?

[C.Difficile]

Good that he is paying back. I would never do a pre-order from
Him again. (Never did before but wouldn't in future) Getting banned is one thing but the ghosting is unforgivable. On a side note. I do pre orders and have always delivered

Sponsored by Beldie's Bloodscrip Pre-Orders

[gs4Pawn]

Its kind of Hilarious that they set pricing and Auctioning values to the point where a single account and a single person would be hard pressed to manually generate enough currency to purchase things.

You give them the money to buy the Entries then you compete in the event for the reward.

The average person probably spends 3ish mins per run, 4 if you factor in failures/spells etc.
15 runs an hour. Your generating 4500 BS an hour. 20 hrs a day is 90k a day.

Fleh. Seems odd overall.

[Fortybox]

>gets banned with a bunch of cash from people from game
>use cash to buy drugs
>sell drugs until ban is lifted
>repay people after ban is lifted

I'm not saying that's what happened. I'm just saying it's a logical option if someone finds themselves in a pinch and happens to have a stack of other people's money to play around with for a while.

>gets banned with a bunch of cash from people from game
>use cash to get a bewb job and butt lift
>sell body with new bewbs/butt until ban is lifted
>repay people after ban is lifted
>open new cyber business because merchant rep is tanked

[Methais]

Didn’t someone say he said his wife buys and resells antiques or some shit? Or is that someone else?

I think that was him. But I've also heard that none of that is true from a pretty reliable source, so... :shrug: