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Kuyuk
05-07-2005, 03:50 PM
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The last 58.5 million acres of untouched national forests, which President Clinton had set aside for protection, were opened to possible logging, mining and other commercial uses by the Bush administration Thursday.

New rules from the U.S. Forest Service cover some of the most pristine federal land in 38 states and Puerto Rico.

Ninety-seven percent of it is in 12 states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, Washington and Wyoming.

Governors can submit petitions within 18 months to stop road building on some of the 34.3 million acres where it would now be permitted, or request that new forest management plans be written to allow the construction on some of the other 24.2 million acres.

Some officials made it clear much of the land will remain untouched.

"We have no plans to build roads in the roadless areas of the national forests in California. ... Areas are roadless here for a reason," said Matt Mathes, a regional spokesman for the Forest Service in the state.

Agriculture Secretary Mike Johanns said his agency, which includes the Forest Service, would work closely with governors "to meet the needs of our local communities while protecting and restoring the health and natural beauty of our national forests."

Democrats questioned why governors were getting so much power over land use.

"Trees, wildlife and fish don't respect state boundaries, and I don't think decisions about management of roadless areas -- or other parts of the national forests -- should be based on those lines, either," said Rep. Mark Udall of Colorado.

"The Bush administration's decision to gut the 'roadless rule' is a gift to special interests and a blow to the environment," said Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York in a press release.

Eight days before leaving office in 2001, President Clinton acted to take decisions about roadless forest land away from local federal managers.

Environmentalists said the managers often were too close to logging companies and other developers.

"Any short-term economic gain that would result from turning over these areas to corporate special interests is significantly outweighed by the economic benefit of keeping them intact," said Steve Smith, the Wilderness Society's assistant regional director for Utah, Arizona, Colorado and New Mexico.

"This takes us straight back to the early 1990s, when the national forests were managed as nothing more than tree lots for the timber industry," said Philip Clapp, president of the National Environmental Trust.

The Forest Service will have final say over the governors' petitions. But the agency is creating an advisory committee to help put the rule in place.

The agency said petitions from the states could be based on requests to protect public health and safety; reduce wildfire risks; conserve wildlife habitat; maintain dams, utilities or other public works; or ensure that people have road access to their private property.

With the federal courts deeply involved since President Clinton's action, the fate of the regulations is in doubt.

On Wednesday, the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals heard arguments from environmental groups appealing a Wyoming judge's ruling overturning Clinton's move.

The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals has upheld Clinton's rule. Many of the same issues apply in both cases.

Agriculture Undersecretary Mark Rey, who oversees forest policy, said the new rule would cut away the legal uncertainty by getting states on the side of the federal government.

He emphasized that the rule probably would not lead to a big spurt of road building. "We've only been constructing a few miles of road each year," said Rey, a former timber industry lobbyist.

Jim Angell, a lawyer with the Earthjustice law firm, said plaintiffs already are lining up to challenge the changes announced Thursday.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/05/05/roadless.forests.ap/index.html



Yeah! Lets have the option to destroy more of the US!




K.

Hulkein
05-07-2005, 03:58 PM
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that our forests were in good shape thanks to modern practices of logging.

ElanthianSiren
05-07-2005, 04:03 PM
It seems more a way to keep the legislators you (the republican party) want busy, busy. It's actually quite smart; if those legislators are busy, they have much less time to hem and haw about pesky problems like war, social security, national appointments etc.

Far from idiotic -- I think underhanded and manipulative would be the words I'd tag it with, but that's not to say manipulators and underhanded bastards can't be intelligent.

-Melissa

Parkbandit
05-07-2005, 04:58 PM
Some officials made it clear much of the land will remain untouched.

There is still hope for those poor, poor owls. Cheer up.

Gan
05-07-2005, 05:37 PM
Its called big government vs. small government. Its just the Bush administration putting decisions involving state interests back into the state's hands. States rights and that sort of thing.

And the logging and forestry industry is the last place I'd look for misuse or wreckless treatement of our forest resources.

Im still not sure how that makes Bush an idiot... but whatever.

Back
05-07-2005, 05:47 PM
This is my first post in this thread. I’d just like to take a moment here and say...

I did not start it.

Parkbandit
05-07-2005, 05:49 PM
Originally posted by Backlash
This is my first post in this thread. I’d just like to take a moment here and say...

I did not start it.

LOL

Gan
05-07-2005, 06:09 PM
:lol2:

Suppa Hobbit Mage
05-07-2005, 07:14 PM
Tell the world to stop fucking, and we won't need to harvest natural resources.

Get back to me when you are done. Meanwhile, I'll be happy with the roof over my head. You should really stand the fuck up for what you believe in and go live in one of those trees.