Pedoanne | Caropedo | Pedobait ban & you

[Xcalibur1]

So Pegyanne / bait / carolann, that fucking idiotic pedo got banned for like 6 months, if not more, because of a script check I was told by one of my spy.

What's funny is that, instead of saying: fuck you SIMU and moving on, he'll patiently wait for the ban to finish and come back crawling to "play" his addiction since he can pretend to be a female and cyber huge 50 yo guys for 2m (now worth 5$, that ridicule).

But how about you, you might ask

How can SIMU bans someone that got like 12 accounts for 6 months ? What was that dangerous he did?

What if you're next because you were using a fucking script to master forging and got a 6 months ban?

Simu is so fucking dumb

[Tgo01]

So Pegyanne / bait / carolann, that fucking idiotic pedo got banned for like 6 months, if not more, because of a script check I was told by one of my spy.

What's funny is that, instead of saying: fuck you SIMU and moving on, he'll patiently wait for the ban to finish and come back crawling to "play" his addiction since he can pretend to be a female and cyber huge 50 yo guys for 2m (now worth 5$, that ridicule).

But how about you, you might ask

How can SIMU bans someone that got like 12 accounts for 6 months ? What was that dangerous he did?

What if you're next because you were using a fucking script to master forging and got a 6 months ban?

Simu is so fucking dumb

You okay, dude?

[Velfi]

You okay, dude?

He was told by one of his spy.

[Xcalibur1]

You okay, dude?

Yeah, a bit fed up of Trudeau but at least he doesn't sux like Bidden.
Or maybe he does, not quite sure lately lol

How about you, mini-hitler? Are you still racist?

[Neveragain]

So Pegyanne / bait / carolann, that fucking idiotic pedo got banned for like 6 months, if not more, because of a script check I was told by one of my spy.

What's funny is that, instead of saying: fuck you SIMU and moving on, he'll patiently wait for the ban to finish and come back crawling to "play" his addiction since he can pretend to be a female and cyber huge 50 yo guys for 2m (now worth 5$, that ridicule).

You've had something for Bait going on 6 or 7 years now.

The dude doesn't hide that he's a male player, like, at all.

You really need to do something about your alcohol problem, Will.

[Taernath]

Truly, the fool's fool is fooler.

[Xcalibur1]

You've had something for Bait going on 6 or 7 years now.

The dude doesn't hide that he's a male player, like, at all.

You really need to do something about your alcohol problem, Will.

Lol what?

He played 4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 female characters LOL

He constantly cybered any male, tried his luck, and worst, tried with minor underaged guys

Will? Alcohol? WTF?

[Xcalibur1]

Truly, the fool's fool is fooler.

The fool who enters the game of a fool is fooler I think I said back in the days.

Ask strayrogue, he kept tab.

OHOHOHOHOOHOHOHOHOHO

[Neveragain]

Lol what?

He played 4-5-6-7-8-9-10-11-12 female characters LOL

He constantly cybered any male, tried his luck, and worst, tried with minor underaged guys

Will? Alcohol? WTF?

https://y.yarn.co/b6330855-b520-4cfe-bdbe-f7492ffc85f9_text.gif

[Orthin]

I know peggyanne catches a lot of flack as a result of LNET but the dude has been big for OSA knowledge. I use OSANAV and Damagecontrol and learned a great deal about OSA itself thanks to him

[Tgo01]

I use OSANAV

You should try out ;ocean-go2. Just saying.

[Xcalibur1]

Pedoanne got caught in so many pedoactivities, I strongly urge anyone doing paypal activities with him to stop.
You don't want to get audited one day and have to explain why you had financial exchange with a known pedophile.

[Orthin]

You should try out ;ocean-go2. Just saying.

oh yeah, did someone who makes other remarkable scripts make ocean-go2?

[Tgo01]

oh yeah, did someone who makes other remarkable scripts make ocean-go2?

Well......maybe.....

[Orthin]

Well......maybe.....

Aaaaaannnnndddd downloaded

[beldannon5]

Whether you like peggy or not, the gm's do seem to be a lot more douchey these days

[peam]

Whether you like peggy or not, the gm's do seem to be a lot more douchey these days


Nah, dude had the whole OSA experience fully scripted and did so while AFK for a long time, practically bragging about it.

Clear violation of game policy since forever, and based on what POLICY 18 says about lockouts, this definitely wasn't the first time he was popped.

[Methais]

So Pegyanne / bait / carolann, that fucking idiotic pedo got banned for like 6 months, if not more, because of a script check I was told by one of my spy.

What's funny is that, instead of saying: fuck you SIMU and moving on, he'll patiently wait for the ban to finish and come back crawling to "play" his addiction since he can pretend to be a female and cyber huge 50 yo guys for 2m (now worth 5$, that ridicule).

But how about you, you might ask

How can SIMU bans someone that got like 12 accounts for 6 months ? What was that dangerous he did?

What if you're next because you were using a fucking script to master forging and got a 6 months ban?

Simu is so fucking dumb

Remember when you were recently preaching to everyone about going out and doing real life stuff instead of giving a shit about GS and "feeding the addiction?"

What changed since then for you?

[Xcalibur1]

Remember when you were recently preaching to everyone about going out and doing real life stuff instead of giving a shit about GS and "feeding the addiction?"

What changed since then for you?

Part of the process bro.

Once in a while, you need to get close to the addiction to validate if you're strong enough to fight the temptation!

[Xcalibur1]

Nah, dude had the whole OSA experience fully scripted and did so while AFK for a long time, practically bragging about it.

Clear violation of game policy since forever, and based on what POLICY 18 says about lockouts, this definitely wasn't the first time he was popped.

Sup Peam.

Yeah, I ain't surprised with what you said. People think SIMU cares now that with your 12 accounts (so 250$ per month), they'll be careful with you. Nah, SIMU are dumb, like they always were.

[Pneumothorax]

So the dude got caught scripting and banned for 6 months? Brutal, how did he got caught?

[Gelston]

So the dude got caught scripting and banned for 6 months? Brutal, how did he got caught?

Probably the way everyone gets caught.

[Berost]

Probably the way everyone gets caught.

<;startsciprtofdeatthatissoawesomeiwillnevergetcaug ht>

<walks away from comp for hours>

<gets caught>

[peam]

HMMMMMM...

Posted on the official GSIV Discord from Xayle:

A Friendly Reminder About Remote Access Scripts

We just needed to drop y’all a casual reminder that if you are running remote access scripts of any kind that control other accounts as if they were yours and are caught, the warnings will be cumulative, and you will earn yourself an indefinite ban.

Such a ban can be appealed after a year, but be aware that any efforts to circumvent the punishment by logging in under or creating new accounts WILL result in that one year timer being restarted.

[Tgo01]

HMMMMMM...

Posted on the official GSIV Discord from Xayle:

A Friendly Reminder About Remote Access Scripts

We just needed to drop y’all a casual reminder that if you are running remote access scripts of any kind that control other accounts as if they were yours and are caught, the warnings will be cumulative, and you will earn yourself an indefinite ban.

Such a ban can be appealed after a year, but be aware that any efforts to circumvent the punishment by logging in under or creating new accounts WILL result in that one year timer being restarted.

I’m confused by this. Are remote access scripts themselves bad, and if yes is it only if you’re controlling accounts that aren’t yours? Or is it bad if you’re breaking a rule with them, such as afk scripting or something?

And what exactly is a remote access script? Like Bob logs on his character but Jim can take control of the character somehow?

[BLZrizz]

I’m confused by this. Are remote access scripts themselves bad, and if yes is it only if you’re controlling accounts that aren’t yours? Or is it bad if you’re breaking a rule with them, such as afk scripting or something?

And what exactly is a remote access script? Like Bob logs on his character but Jim can take control of the character somehow?

I don't think they're saying they're bad, but any accounts you're controlling via remote access scripts while engaging in illicit activity are treated as linked accounts for offense count purposes.

[Viekn]

I’m confused by this. Are remote access scripts themselves bad, and if yes is it only if you’re controlling accounts that aren’t yours? Or is it bad if you’re breaking a rule with them, such as afk scripting or something?

And what exactly is a remote access script? Like Bob logs on his character but Jim can take control of the character somehow?

I'm just glad there's someone more knowledgeable than me who also doesn't know what the hell any of that means.

[Taernath]

I'd assume it's something like a tap to spell up script, one character performing an action or series of actions when given a signal via a script from another party.

[Methais]

<;startsciprtofdeatthatissoawesomeiwillnevergetcaug ht>

<walks away from comp for hours>

<gets caught>

Scripter:
https://i.imgur.com/n2Zc8Gz.png

Fixed.

[Methais]

I'd assume it's something like a tap to spell up script, one character performing an action or series of actions when given a signal via a script from another party.

But it's ok to do with your own accounts? That's what the wording sounds like.

[Taernath]

But it's ok to do with your own accounts? That's what the wording sounds like.

I think that falls under botting or something.

They could also be referring to using remote access software, but it's Simu so of course it's another vaguepost.

[Gelston]

It is saying botting isn't allowed and all linked accounts will get warnings that pile on to all the accounts. Say you have 3 accounts botting, all three are busted, each account gets 3 warnings and you get an indefinite ban that can be appealed after a 1 year period.

The remote access part sounds weird, but it just means you aren't directly controlling that account.

[Lavastene]

And what exactly is a remote access script? Like Bob logs on his character but Jim can take control of the character somehow?
So I think that this is sort of what they are saying here.

Based on how I understand Peggy's OSA commander and crew scripts to work:
1. Each character joins the crew (could be an account on a single computer, or could be someone else's account) [join the group]
2. A private lnet channel is created for the OSA crew
3. Commands are sent over the lnet channel and anyone running the crew script will perform whatever action is defined for that command section. [Commander may say attack, and anyone running crew will perform their attack scripts]

I haven't actually gone out on OSA with Peggy, but this is how the script reads. It would essentially be full remote control of the other characters.

[Meddel]

So I think that this is sort of what they are saying here.

Based on how I understand Peggy's OSA commander and crew scripts to work:
1. Each character joins the crew (could be an account on a single computer, or could be someone else's account) [join the group]
2. A private lnet channel is created for the OSA crew
3. Commands are sent over the lnet channel and anyone running the crew script will perform whatever action is defined for that command section. [Commander may say attack, and anyone running crew will perform their attack scripts]

I haven't actually gone out on OSA with Peggy, but this is how the script reads. It would essentially be full remote control of the other characters.

Yeah, this is roughly right. I assume the public announcement is to explain why Peggy caught an indefinite ban (check back in a year, etc) rather than the expected 30/60/90 day suspension.

[Teveriel]

Isn’t Bait/Peggyanne also the guy who had his female character explicitly rape another character while the player was afk?

[Viekn]

So I think that this is sort of what they are saying here.

Based on how I understand Peggy's OSA commander and crew scripts to work:
1. Each character joins the crew (could be an account on a single computer, or could be someone else's account) [join the group]
2. A private lnet channel is created for the OSA crew
3. Commands are sent over the lnet channel and anyone running the crew script will perform whatever action is defined for that command section. [Commander may say attack, and anyone running crew will perform their attack scripts]

I haven't actually gone out on OSA with Peggy, but this is how the script reads. It would essentially be full remote control of the other characters.

So the in-game crew script interprets commands received from lnet? I wasn't aware that was even possible.

[Taernath]

So the in-game crew script interprets commands received from lnet? I wasn't aware that was even possible.

Doesn't sound too dissimilar to a Dreavening.

[Rjex]

Stacking penalties is dumb. Persecuting players for doing what is fun, i.e. building crews/armies, is also dumb. If simu had a vision, or the capacity to have a vision, they'd find some way to embrace it, particularly since it keeps those subscription numbers up. But no, lets just keep banning people left and right as we're down to the remaining 17 active subscribers. Had little to no interaction with peggy but a loss of any player is ultimately a loss for the game as that whole ecosystem just keeps on getting smaller and smaller.

[Cryogic]

GM Bitchzel going on a banning crusade against all your best customers can't possibly backfire, sure it's just a coincidence that last DR was the worst DR ever, right? I know of several large groups moving on after getting banned recently. I personally won't be waiting for some bitch ass nerd with a vendetta to target me, I'll be selling off and moving on to other games that actually appreciate their customers instead of just milking them for cash for years before banning them.

[Cryogic]

Also, indefinite bans can be appealed after 6 months per wyrom on discord recently, these are actually harsher than that and as far as I know peggyanne has never been banned for any type of scripting.

[Gelston]

Stacking penalties is dumb. Persecuting players for doing what is fun, i.e. building crews/armies, is also dumb. If simu had a vision, or the capacity to have a vision, they'd find some way to embrace it, particularly since it keeps those subscription numbers up. But no, lets just keep banning people left and right as we're down to the remaining 17 active subscribers. Had little to no interaction with peggy but a loss of any player is ultimately a loss for the game as that whole ecosystem just keeps on getting smaller and smaller.

I think it is more that players would join and go afk.

[Gelston]

Stacking penalties is dumb. Persecuting players for doing what is fun, i.e. building crews/armies, is also dumb. If simu had a vision, or the capacity to have a vision, they'd find some way to embrace it, particularly since it keeps those subscription numbers up. But no, lets just keep banning people left and right as we're down to the remaining 17 active subscribers. Had little to no interaction with peggy but a loss of any player is ultimately a loss for the game as that whole ecosystem just keeps on getting smaller and smaller.

I think it is more that players would join and go afk.

[Tgo01]

Doesn't sound too dissimilar to a Dreavening.

But I don't control anyone via remote commands via LNet.

[Viekn]

But I don't control anyone via remote commands via LNet.

But ;chat to Dreaven does cause you to input your ETA, which is entering something into the game command line. I guess maybe you don't have to draw the line at having the outcome be a response on lnet, but an actual in game action then?

[Tgo01]

And of course all of the sycophants on Discord are busy demanding something be done to Dreavenings because of this announcement.

I swear these fuckers are never satisfied. I am 100% responsible for there even being an Invoker and these people still want blood.

[Tgo01]

But ;chat to Dreaven does cause you to input your ETA, which is entering something into the game command line.

If they are going to start "cracking down" on people automatically GIVING INFORMATION then this game deserves to die within 6 months.

[Gelston]

But ;chat to Dreaven does cause you to input your ETA, which is entering something into the game command line. I guess maybe you don't have to draw the line at having the outcome be a response on lnet, but an actual in game action then?

They can't track lnet only responses.

[Viekn]

If they are going to start "cracking down" on people automatically GIVING INFORMATION then this game deserves to die within 6 months.

Absolutely. Nothing seems wrong or against policy for the giving of info. It's not even wrong they're doing the remote access scripts, it's just someone needs to be at the keyboard even if a remote player is controlling their character, which I guess was what was happening?

[Gelston]

Absolutely. Nothing seems wrong or against policy for the giving of info. It's not even wrong they're doing the remote access scripts, it's just someone needs to be at the keyboard even if a remote player is controlling their character, which I guess was what was happening?

I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened. People would join and then go AFK.

[Meddel]

I'm pretty sure that is exactly what happened. People would join and then go AFK.

Though again, Peggy's penalty was an indefinite "mechanics abuse" penalty, not a 30 day AFK penalty (actually it would have been a first warning, I think, which is usually not even a suspension). In other words, the penalty here is clearly saying something much more egregious than AFK scripting was happening.

[Rjex]

Though again, Peggy's penalty was an indefinite "mechanics abuse" penalty, not a 30 day AFK penalty (actually it would have been a first warning, I think, which is usually not even a suspension). In other words, the penalty here is clearly saying something much more egregious than AFK scripting was happening.

To me if 99% of your players are doing something - figure out an in game way of dealing with. Say, someone who's afk scripting is declared a zombie and justice doesn't apply to them, or they get banished from a specific town for 30 days, stuff like that. Player bans for something that literally everyone is doing is just dumb.

[BLZrizz]

Though again, Peggy's penalty was an indefinite "mechanics abuse" penalty, not a 30 day AFK penalty (actually it would have been a first warning, I think, which is usually not even a suspension). In other words, the penalty here is clearly saying something much more egregious than AFK scripting was happening.

Not necessarily. AFK times x 6+ accounts (plus any of those that were remote controlled) are cumulative. I think your first 30 day ban hits on your second offense, so it makes sense that 6+ of these = indef ban.

[Tgo01]

Though again, Peggy's penalty was an indefinite "mechanics abuse" penalty, not a 30 day AFK penalty (actually it would have been a first warning, I think, which is usually not even a suspension). In other words, the penalty here is clearly saying something much more egregious than AFK scripting was happening.

I think that’s what this reminder is about though, if you’re controlling multiple afk characters then each character being controlled counts as an afk scripting violation.

So for example if you are controlling 5 characters that are afk scripting then the account controlling them gets 5 scripting violations and the accounts being controlled each get one violation, and since this all count towards you the player that’s essentially 9 scripting violations all at once.

No idea if this is what happened to Peggy, but I think that’s what this reminder is saying.

[Rjex]

Pretty much. Same thing happened to a few other people as well. The logical conclusion is don't have more than 1 simu account.

[Taernath]

But I don't control anyone via remote commands via LNet.

A user's dreavening script is triggered by whispers and whatever else to send mana, play games, and use society abilities, while the OSA script is (supposedly) triggered by an lnet chat command to do whatever one does on OSA. Same concept, just different execution.

I'm not saying Dreavenings need to be looked at, I was just surprised Viekn thought it was impossible.

[Tgo01]

Pretty much. Same thing happened to a few other people as well. The logical conclusion is don't have more than 1 simu account.

I think someone else also got in trouble for scripting just yesterday. Had like 7 accounts.

[SonoftheNorth]

Don't forget about this

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?95468-Gingie-Subeta-Bait

[Viekn]

I'm not saying Dreavenings need to be looked at, I was just surprised Viekn thought it was impossible.

Jokes on you then. I'm dumber than I look!

I guess for me, because I have my lnet chats coming to my familiar window, it seems weird to me someone could chat to me and make my character do something, provided I have the right script running. But that's probably just because I don't understand the mechanics behind the scenes anyway.

[Rjex]

General progression for triggers is whisper/taps (this is bad since GMs can see and penalize you for reaction bots), then lnet messages (this is bad cause lnet is often down, and will also yell at you when you try to send too many commands too quickly), then you have things like crosscharcom and borg (the latter is really the best for single PC setup), which are much more reliable and also don't give away any triggers to GMs.

[Realk]

General progression for triggers is whisper/taps (this is bad since GMs can see and penalize you for reaction bots), then lnet messages (this is bad cause lnet is often down, and will also yell at you when you try to send too many commands too quickly), then you have things like crosscharcom and borg (the latter is really the best for single PC setup), which are much more reliable and also don't give away any triggers to GMs.


I'm really low tech... my little script just runs in a loop and waits for Realk to do xxx then everybody goes off..

[Tgo01]

General progression for triggers is whisper/taps (this is bad since GMs can see and penalize you for reaction bots), then lnet messages (this is bad cause lnet is often down, and will also yell at you when you try to send too many commands too quickly), then you have things like crosscharcom and borg (the latter is really the best for single PC setup), which are much more reliable and also don't give away any triggers to GMs.

The thing about the vaguely worded and just downright badly written botting policy is technically anything can be considered "botting behavior."

The GMs could look at it and say "Oh your script triggers on someone coming to your table, botting behavior."

The GMs could also look at it and say "Yeah you're just casting spells every 35 minutes, botting behavior."

Technically EVERY SINGLE SCRIPT could be considered "botting" behavior. "Your script fired off because the critter swung at you, bot."

"Your script fired off because a critter entered the room, bot."

"Your script fired off because another player attacked, bot."

Just look at Discord in regards to this vague as shit announcement, countless people all asking "What exactly does this mean?" and rather than giving some examples you just have GMs making jokes about how the announcement is indeed vague. Almost as if the GMs don't even know what the policy is or what the announcement is about, or they just don't want to clarify because they just love the idea of their players constantly living in fear of "Is what I'm doing wrong?"

[Tgo01]

Another GM post on Discord:


You need to be active and in control of the accounts you're running, and by in control, I mean operating at least somewhat manually. If you're not doing that presently, plan on adjusting your play style.

Scripting is fine as long as you're present and responsive.

GM doublespeak is so annoying.

Okay so scripting is fine as long as you're present and responsive, but also you must be in control as in "operating at least somewhat manually." What does "operating at least somewhat manually" even mean? I have to stop my script every 15 minutes and restart it?

[Meddel]

Another GM post on Discord:



GM doublespeak is so annoying.

Okay so scripting is fine as long as you're present and responsive, but also you must be in control as in "operating at least somewhat manually." What does "operating at least somewhat manually" even mean? I have to stop my script every 15 minutes and restart it?

The thread on Discord started with, "if you don't know it's you, it's not you", but it keeps drifting into what you quote, which makes it sound like Bigshot is going to get folks banned even if they're responsive. Which, fine? Maybe? But also that takes out roughly all of the folks I see out hunting.

[Taernath]

The thread on Discord started with, "if you don't know it's you, it's not you", but it keeps drifting into what you quote, which makes it sound like Bigshot is going to get folks banned even if they're responsive. Which, fine? Maybe? But also that takes out roughly all of the folks I see out hunting.

They've had a clause in policy for years that 'long term scripting' (10 minutes?) is considered a violation and you can be pulled up about it, but to my knowledge it's never been invoked and is most likely just a CYA if they can't find anything else to bother you about. As you said the majority of players are probably guilty of it.

[Rjex]

Another GM post on Discord:



GM doublespeak is so annoying.

Okay so scripting is fine as long as you're present and responsive, but also you must be in control as in "operating at least somewhat manually." What does "operating at least somewhat manually" even mean? I have to stop my script every 15 minutes and restart it?

Just think of it as a personal challenge to create better, more human like AI. I wouldn't take anything they say too seriously anyway, it's just whatever random interpretation any particular GM has to offer at the moment. All it comes down to in the end is passing script checks and decreasing the likelihood of being selected for one. A lot of anecdotal evidence suggests that once they develop a hard on for you, they won't let you go no matter what. You'll keep getting checked over and over and over again, even for things like waggle. So it pays to make scripts more human like anyway, add long random pauses at random places, add random meaningless actions or movements that stray from the loop, etc. Don't just go to your heal bot to heal, go there, and wait.... have a 20% chance of picking up a random herb from the bench first, eat it, then wait a bit more before you have your healer finally heal you. That's how I tried to do things when I MAed anyway. If they get bored watching your bot, they'll just cycle to the next player. But if you're going all out terminator style with max efficiency and multiple accounts, they'll find any excuse to check you.

[Neveragain]

Gemstone futures:

https://www.sldinfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/bigstock_Arrow_Graph_Going_Down_3207728-300x240.jpg

[Teveriel]

Don't forget about this

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?95468-Gingie-Subeta-Bait

So it is the same person, as I thought.

Yeah, fuck 'em and good riddance.

[Methais]

Pretty much. Same thing happened to a few other people as well. The logical conclusion is don't have more than 1 simu account.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/6DGNZnfKYnU/hqdefault.jpg

[Subeta]

Allow me to set the record straight for you Xcal since you are so clearly in a drunken rambling stupor and cannot get your facts straight. First of all, I am not now, never have been and never shall be a pedophile. I know deep down in your drunken rage you truly must wish I am so I am sorry to burst your bubble. You have been rambling for over 7 years now calling me one based on your childish re-telling of a mishap I so graciously shared with LNET. Let it go man, you are wrong, your friends don't think you are cool because you have run an almost 8 year long smear campaign against an internet troll. Second, I am banned for 12 months. This was not because I was afk. This is because the nature of the suite of script I wrote (A task I am sure your simple mind is incapable of ever doing) My script allowed me send various preset commands to any character running the osacrew script (ALL commands were done via LNET) These commands would allow you to tell your ships company to do things like; Prepare for combat, repair the ship, prepare the ship for getting underway, begin a spellup party (thanks to Dreaven for share.lic) and a plethora of other useful tools including standalone functions for osa in general. Simutronics' issue with this is that it's mechanics abuse to allow triggers. Like Xayle said in her announcement, you must be in somewhat control of your characters. Third, I do not have 12 accounts, in fact I do no even have half that amount. I have only 5 accounts. There we however 4 or more other players who were on my ship running my scripts and some of them were on multiple accounts. They have all be punished as well. I wrote bigshot for osa and it worked for as many accounts you could fit on your ship. Hate me if you must. Fourth, I will wait for my ban to end and return to the lands. Despite fools like you who make it their life's mission to destroy me for no other reason than mere entertainment, I very much enjoy GS and the people I have met along the way. It is my one vice. I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I don't drink often and given my work schedule (50-70 hours a week) I haven't time for many other hobbies. Fifth, I have only ever cybered with one male in this game and that was over 20 years ago and even then it was not for money and neither of us were underage. I have not hid the fact that I am a male in over 7 years. I am very open about it. Sixth, You do not have a "spy" (correct grammar is "one of my spies") I have a close knit group of GS friends who I communicate with regularly and only they know the true facts of the situation, as is clear by your over abundance of inaccuracies in your statement. Furthermore not one of my friends would tolerate your foolishness long enough to "spy" for you. Seventh, Peam I did not afk constantly, although I will not deny that I did afk script, we are all guilty of that at times. I did brag as a bit of playful banter with Khoal because he would go on drunken rants (not unlike Xcals) about being the best sailor to ever sail the Cauldron and I had ZERO violations on all my (5) accounts (yes including baits acct) until the other day. I now have 2 on each and 5 on one for some reason unknown to me. Lastly, I belive the main thing to take away from all the bans that just happened is, if you script anything Itzel is going to catch you and you will be dealt with appropriately. Simu really does seem to be removing anyone who scripts which is counterproductive since thier player base is dwindling. I'm loyal to GS and if I can, I'll see you fuckers next year.

[Rjex]

Simutronics' issue with this is that it's mechanics abuse to allow triggers.

da fuck?

[Subeta]

You cannot make any kind of action that will trigger another character to perform an action, ttap.lic is a prime
Example of behavior against policy. I had thought I bypassed this by using lnet instead.

[beldannon5]

Allow me to set the record straight for you Xcal since you are so clearly in a drunken rambling stupor and cannot get your facts straight. First of all, I am not now, never have been and never shall be a pedophile. I know deep down in your drunken rage you truly must wish I am so I am sorry to burst your bubble. You have been rambling for over 7 years now calling me one based on your childish re-telling of a mishap I so graciously shared with LNET. Let it go man, you are wrong, your friends don't think you are cool because you have run an almost 8 year long smear campaign against an internet troll. Second, I am banned for 12 months. This was not because I was afk. This is because the nature of the suite of script I wrote (A task I am sure your simple mind is incapable of ever doing) My script allowed me send various preset commands to any character running the osacrew script (ALL commands were done via LNET) These commands would allow you to tell your ships company to do things like; Prepare for combat, repair the ship, prepare the ship for getting underway, begin a spellup party (thanks to Dreaven for share.lic) and a plethora of other useful tools including standalone functions for osa in general. Simutronics' issue with this is that it's mechanics abuse to allow triggers. Like Xayle said in her announcement, you must be in somewhat control of your characters. Third, I do not have 12 accounts, in fact I do no even have half that amount. I have only 5 accounts. There we however 4 or more other players who were on my ship running my scripts and some of them were on multiple accounts. They have all be punished as well. I wrote bigshot for osa and it worked for as many accounts you could fit on your ship. Hate me if you must. Fourth, I will wait for my ban to end and return to the lands. Despite fools like you who make it their life's mission to destroy me for no other reason than mere entertainment, I very much enjoy GS and the people I have met along the way. It is my one vice. I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I don't drink often and given my work schedule (50-70 hours a week) I haven't time for many other hobbies. Fifth, I have only ever cybered with one male in this game and that was over 20 years ago and even then it was not for money and neither of us were underage. I have not hid the fact that I am a male in over 7 years. I am very open about it. Sixth, You do not have a "spy" (correct grammar is "one of my spies") I have a close knit group of GS friends who I communicate with regularly and only they know the true facts of the situation, as is clear by your over abundance of inaccuracies in your statement. Furthermore not one of my friends would tolerate your foolishness long enough to "spy" for you. Seventh, Peam I did not afk constantly, although I will not deny that I did afk script, we are all guilty of that at times. I did brag as a bit of playful banter with Khoal because he would go on drunken rants (not unlike Xcals) about being the best sailor to ever sail the Cauldron and I had ZERO violations on all my (5) accounts (yes including baits acct) until the other day. I now have 2 on each and 5 on one for some reason unknown to me. Lastly, I belive the main thing to take away from all the bans that just happened is, if you script anything Itzel is going to catch you and you will be dealt with appropriately. Simu really does seem to be removing anyone who scripts which is counterproductive since thier player base is dwindling. I'm loyal to GS and if I can, I'll see you fuckers next year.

itzel really is a bitch and that is a fact

[Rjex]

You cannot make any kind of action that will trigger another character to perform an action, ttap.lic is a prime
Example of behavior against policy. I had thought I bypassed this by using lnet instead.

yeah and lnet would bypass that, so I'm really curious now how or why they would ever have grounds to claim you had trigger bots in this case?

[Subeta]

Only thing I can think of was share.lic it uses whispers. Dreavens script may have been the nail in my coffin. Disclaimer: it’s an awesome script and dreaven is a coding genius so please don’t think I’m blaming him

[Tgo01]

yeah and lnet would bypass that, so I'm really curious now how or why they would ever have grounds to claim you had trigger bots in this case?

According to Estild anything that triggers an automatic action is considered a bot.

This could even be a simple script that every 10 minutes casts a disk at everyone in the room. Even though no one interacted with the wizard casting in order to get a disk, it's the "every 10 minutes" part that is a "trigger" that is considered "botting."

[Subeta]

Frankly if I’m guilty because of share.lic then the entire game is guilty of the same thing when they go to dreavenings

[Subeta]

Yes but you can’t prove anything in game when all my triggers were via lnet

[Tgo01]

Yes but you can’t prove anything in game when all my triggers were via lnet

I don't think the GMs are interested in pesky things like proof.

[Subeta]

The sad part is I had worked out all the bugs and was just about to release the commander script to the public

[Subeta]

Certainly not… just so long as they get rid of the pesky evil Peggyanne.

[Xcalibur1]

Isn’t Bait/Peggyanne also the guy who had his female character explicitly rape another character while the player was afk?

Yes

[Xcalibur1]

And of course all of the sycophants on Discord are busy demanding something be done to Dreavenings because of this announcement.

I swear these fuckers are never satisfied. I am 100% responsible for there even being an Invoker and these people still want blood.

You're 100% the next big name to be banned bro. You got ahuge target on your back. Yeap, I said back. Watch yourself man

[Tgo01]

You're 100% the next big name to be banned bro. You got ahuge target on your back. Yeap, I said back. Watch yourself man

Your spy tell you this?

[Xcalibur1]

Allow me to set the record straight for you Xcal

STFU


since you are so clearly in a drunken rambling stupor and cannot get your facts straight. First of all, I am not now, never have been and never shall be a pedophile.
You are a known pedophile. A 300 pounds ex army that drove his fat ass around the US and consummed women of joy, as we say in French, that were underaged.


I know deep down in your drunken rage you truly must wish I am so I am sorry to burst your bubble. You have been rambling for over 7 years

STFU, fucking man boobs that flaps. I got back in 2017 and left last year.


now calling me one based on your childish re-telling of a mishap I so graciously shared with LNET.
Correct, you are a pedo, you said it and you were proud of it.


Let it go man, you are wrong, your friends don't think you are cool because you have run an almost 8 year long smear campaign against an internet troll.
Again, came back in '17, left in '21. Lol you fucking burnt brain with alcohol.


Second, I am banned for 12 months. This was not because I was afk. This is because the nature of the suite of script I wrote (A task I am sure your simple mind is incapable of ever doing) My script allowed me send various preset commands to any character running the osacrew script (ALL commands were done via LNET) These commands would allow you to tell your ships company to do things like; Prepare for combat, repair the ship, prepare the ship for getting underway, begin a spellup party (thanks to Dreaven for share.lic) and a plethora of other useful tools including standalone functions for osa in general. Simutronics' issue with this is that it's mechanics abuse to allow triggers. Like Xayle said in her announcement, you must be in somewhat control of your characters.

Are you explaining the purpose of your script ? OUATTE DE PHOQUE LOL?



Third, I do not have 12 accounts, in fact I do no even have half that amount I have only 5 accounts. There we however 4 or more other players who were on my ship running my scripts and some of them were on multiple accounts. They have all be punished as well. I wrote bigshot for osa and it worked for as many accounts you could fit on your ship. Hate me if you must. Fourth, I will wait for my ban to end and return to the lands.

You'll return after being treated like shit by Simu? ok................................................ . Stockholm syndrom much bro



Despite fools like you who make it their life's mission to destroy me for no other reason than mere entertainment, I very much enjoy GS and the people I have met along the way. It is my one vice. I don't smoke cigarettes anymore and I don't drink often and given my work schedule (50-70 hours a week) I haven't time for many other hobbies. Fifth, I have only ever cybered with one male in this game and that was over 20 years ago and even then it was not for money and neither of us were underage. I have not hid the fact that I am a male in over 7 years. I am very open about it. Sixth, You do not have a "spy" (correct grammar is "one of my spies") I have a close knit group of GS friends who I communicate with regularly and only they know the true facts of the situation, as is clear by your over abundance of inaccuracies in your statement. Furthermore not one of my friends would tolerate your foolishness long enough to "spy" for you. Seventh, Peam I did not afk constantly, although I will not deny that I did afk script, we are all guilty of that at times. I did brag as a bit of playful banter with Khoal because he would go on drunken rants (not unlike Xcals) about being the best sailor to ever sail the Cauldron and I had ZERO violations on all my (5) accounts (yes including baits acct) until the other day. I now have 2 on each and 5 on one for some reason unknown to me. Lastly, I belive the main thing to take away from all the bans that just happened is, if you script anything Itzel is going to catch you and you will be dealt with appropriately. Simu really does seem to be removing anyone who scripts which is counterproductive since thier player base is dwindling. I'm loyal to GS and if I can, I'll see you fuckers next year.

Ok boomer, you're seriously boring now, dumb pedo.

[Xcalibur1]

Your spy tell you this?

As a matter of fact, yes.

[Subeta]

Did you see a post of more than one sentence and get scared that you wouldn’t be able to concentrate long enough to read it Xcal? You seem to have overlooked my correcting of your misinformation and continue to spread falsities.

[Tgo01]

As a matter of fact, yes.

Who this spy?

[Subeta]

Oh that’s on me… you must of responded when I wasn’t looking. Still chock full of misinformation.

[Subeta]

I tell you the true information and you continue to spread a ton of false slander as usual. You really are a man child with no better response than, “Ok boomer”

[Realk]

Did you see a post of more than one sentence and get scared that you wouldn’t be able to concentrate long enough to read it Xcal? You seem to have overlooked my correcting of your misinformation and continue to spread falsities.

tbh I too wish that had been broken up into some kinda paragraph form. I found myself highlighting like 2 lines at a time to not get lost in it.

[Subeta]

tbh I too wish that had been broken up into some kinda paragraph form. I found myself highlighting like 2 lines at a time to not get lost in it.

That’s fair… I’ll go edit it.

[Dud]

Sorry to hear you got banned, Peggy. We never met, but I appreciated that you had served. I also appreciated that you shared your OSA knowledge generously on LNET.

They should be focusing on a ways to ensure scripting doesn't impact other players negatively, not banning some of their most devoted players. How many hours did you spend perfecting that script? You deserved a medal, not a boot in the ass. Same for you, Dreaven. The Invoker is an embarrassment.

You should still publish your scripts (with a big disclaimer). It is a shame to put the work in just to have it collect dust.

The current regime is just depressing. How many people are online these days?

[Cryogic]

Fifth, I have only ever cybered with one male in this game and that was over 20 years ago and even then it was not for money and neither of us were underage. I have not hid the fact that I am a male in over 7 years. I am very open about it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNU9VcZxG6A

[Subeta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNU9VcZxG6A

Haha this is Zaoloo’s favorite clip.

[Tgo01]

You're 100% the next big name to be banned bro. You got ahuge target on your back. Yeap, I said back. Watch yourself man

Well they can try. I just removed all "botting" behavior from Dreavenings, including the ;dreavening script automatically sending mana and all pre-services.

Just not worth the stress of thinking one day the GMs are gonna be like "LOL! We changed our minds about your services being okay and didn't tell you! OOPS! One year ban for you!"

So the absolute cretins on Discord can finally shut the fuck up about me breaking the rules, because Dreavenings are absolutely not breaking any rules now. Suck it, you miserable fucks.

[Lavastene]

So the absolute cretins on Discord can finally shut the fuck up about me breaking the rules, because Dreavenings are absolutely not breaking any rules now. Suck it, you miserable fucks.
Wait, you provide spells at Dreavenings? Sorry, that violates clause 17 of Divergence 2.0: Only approved nerfed spells are allowed to be shared amongst other players.

[beldannon5]

Well they can try. I just removed all "botting" behavior from Dreavenings, including the ;dreavening script automatically sending mana and all pre-services.

Just not worth the stress of thinking one day the GMs are gonna be like "LOL! We changed our minds about your services being okay and didn't tell you! OOPS! One year ban for you!"

So the absolute cretins on Discord can finally shut the fuck up about me breaking the rules, because Dreavenings are absolutely not breaking any rules now. Suck it, you miserable fucks.

there really are a lot of miserable fks like you say. mostly on the gm side, but definitely a few cry baby tattle talers on the player side. I mean you know you don't
like Biden so there's people that would report you just for that. I mean they enjoy those extremely high gas prices and inflation.

Also I am pretty sure itzel is a former player that has it in for people. I could be wrong. (i have no proof, they are just a complete tool)

[Methais]

Well they can try. I just removed all "botting" behavior from Dreavenings, including the ;dreavening script automatically sending mana and all pre-services.

Just not worth the stress of thinking one day the GMs are gonna be like "LOL! We changed our minds about your services being okay and didn't tell you! OOPS! One year ban for you!"

So the absolute cretins on Discord can finally shut the fuck up about me breaking the rules, because Dreavenings are absolutely not breaking any rules now. Suck it, you miserable fucks.

I wonder what it's like to be a Discord sycophant, where the ultimate goal in life is to have a GM pay attention to you while other people are watching.

[Glaves]

General progression for triggers is whisper/taps (this is bad since GMs can see and penalize you for reaction bots), then lnet messages (this is bad cause lnet is often down, and will also yell at you when you try to send too many commands too quickly), then you have things like crosscharcom and borg (the latter is really the best for single PC setup), which are much more reliable and also don't give away any triggers to GMs.

I did it like a boss. Had my own "lnet" server that I hosted locally and used that to control all my accounts. Unfortunately they popped me for spelling my characters up at a table while NOT gaining XP.

[Viekn]

Unfortunately they popped me for spelling my characters up at a table while NOT gaining XP.

Yeah, they changed it from gaining XP to "any activity that derives ANY benefit...", so spelling characters in that manner is also now a no no.

[Glaves]

So does this mean everybody is getting a bot ban during DR this August?

[Methais]

So does this mean everybody is getting a bot ban during DR this August?

No, because game balance/rules/integrity all get disabled when cash is involved.

[beldannon5]

Hey some people got busted at eg. Not quite the cash cow dr is though

[Subeta]

I highly doubt while their pockets are being lined that they are gonna look for miscreants

[MispronouncedHeroine]

I was lining their pockets when I caught a ban at EG for digging. 100K for a Gheyzte weapon is an impossibly high number for someone with a busy life who has an hour at most for games a day. I usually just buy seashells off another player, but I wanted to see if I could get a lucky draw and find a nice flare token. I assumed they were not gigantic assholes and wouldn't be script checking me on an activity that requires zero player engagement that I paid $ for - I certiainly was not at the Glaves level of sophistication, so I was easy to catch. They banned me for 90 days because I had four characters digging, one had a scripting warning from 2017 (forging). I had already paid for the game passes, so it felt a bit personal to get a ban. I definitely was AFK, but like four hours of digging a day and not being disruptive is hardly worth anyone's time. They got $100 worth of game passes from me and ruined my fun, but they lost the $200 more I had planned on spending at EG and the $10K I would've spent over the next 3 years.

I'd love to hear a contrarian view on why scripting during digging should be enforced? I'd love to hear someone explain why a witch hunt on scripters that reduces an already tiny player base makes any sense at all? I wonder why DR in February had low interest?

I honestly was thinking of coming back this weekend (my ban has long since passed) - but after reading this thread, it reminds me I need to continue to vote with my feet. I'll leave this game to the 100 people who are comfortable being in an abusive relationship. Subeta, you should sell out and never come back.

[SonoftheNorth]

I don't understand why people think that paying a lot of money should make them above the law is somehow a better system.

[Teveriel]

I don't understand why people think that paying a lot of money should make them above the law is somehow a better system.

Power fantasy. Being "GS Riche" is about as close as they'll get to their billionaire idols.

[MispronouncedHeroine]

Companies that want to retain customers provide value when a payment is made. I was making the point that AFK scripting is the only logical conclusion given the poor design of many systems. Enforcement of scripting on a game design that was clearly a facade to skirt gambling laws was a breach of trust with me as a customer. Does anyone enjoy digging?

You ever drive over the speed limit SonoftheNorth? If you got pulled over going 61 in a 60 zone, would you be upset? You broke the law. What if they took your license away for going 61 in 60 zone? Maybe you'd ask the question: who am I hurting and why are you wasting my time? Maybe these laws should be rewritten? Maybe they shouldn't be enforced?

[Methais]

I don't understand why people think that paying a lot of money should make them above the law is somehow a better system.

I don't think anyone believes it entitles them to that. Simu just seems more tolerant of it at pay events. But I suppose it could depend on which GMs are active at the time and how miserable they are.

At the same time though, I don't understand why Simu puts out content that has the absolute most mind numbingly boring and tedious activities, and then expect people to run it manually like 10,000+ times or whatever

Perhaps Simu should ask themselves why stuff like that gets scripted so heavily to begin with.

Remember how at one point, they for real expected people to stare at their monitors while forging, even if they're in 200 seconds of RT or something, or else risk getting an afk scripting violation, even if they weren't scripting at all? They at least had enough sense to do away with that retarded rule, but still don't seem to have caught onto the fact that if they made content more engaging instead of tedious to the most extreme levels, it would be scripted a lot less, afk or not afk. Sitting back watching the game play itself is pretty boring too in most situations.

[SonoftheNorth]

Companies that want to retain customers provide value when a payment is made. I was making the point that AFK scripting is the only logical conclusion given the poor design of many systems. Enforcement of scripting on a game design that was clearly a facade to skirt gambling laws was a breach of trust with me as a customer. Does anyone enjoy digging?

You ever drive over the speed limit SonoftheNorth? If you got pulled over going 61 in a 60 zone, would you be upset? You broke the law. What if they took your license away for going 61 in 60 zone? Maybe you'd ask the question: who am I hurting and why are you wasting my time? Maybe these laws should be rewritten? Maybe they shouldn't be enforced?


You can script in shattered. Why don't you? Because they don't have an economy due to the fact everyone is afk scripting? It's almost like the two things are somehow connected.

[Rjex]

I'd love to hear someone explain why a witch hunt on scripters that reduces an already tiny player base makes any sense at all?

I keep asking the same thing and it just doesn't make sense on any level, however you think about it. Like you talk to Wyrom and he seems like a generally reasonable person, and yet simu policies do not reflect that. Maybe it comes from higher up, like Whatley has a special hard on for scripters, but again, that guy should be even more invested in keeping healthy population numbers and profits rolling in. It just doesn't make any sense that they're so bent on chopping down the tree they're sitting on, if anything they're doubling down lately.

[Gelston]

Itzel has always hated scripting. Her massive enforcement several years ago is why the scripting policy for forging was changed because she got a lot of people for not be at the keyboard during RT.

[Rjex]

I don't understand why Simu puts out content that has the absolute most mind numbingly boring and tedious activities, and then expect people to run it manually like 10,000+ times or whatever

This is especially true. If it was something you could just do a couple of time and be done with, ok, but they literally set the shop/hess/auction prices based on having to do thousands and thousands of iterations of the most boring and tedious activities imaginable in a game, and yet expect you to do them manually. Sometimes GS reminds me of one of those fallout vaults gone wrong that was setup to run psychological experiments on its inhabitants just to see how much bullshit they're willing to put up with.

[MispronouncedHeroine]

I played shattered for years. I would be playing it still, but the world is empty and I lost interest. I don't profit from Gemstone (I value my time at $200 an hour, so there is no activity in this game I do for money), I just wanted access to content that was behind 1000 hours of mind numbing virtual digging. Yes, I am truly a terrible cheater for having valuable time.

I respect your opinion on scripting, I just think you are wrong. I think a lot of people script. I think a lot of people should be scripting. I think AFK is just fine as long it doesn't hurt anyone. I think Simu should embrace it and put some clear ground rules around it to limit abuse/disruption instead of listening to some purists who want it banned entirely.

But my opinion is expressed through my absence.

[Methais]

I played shattered for years. I would be playing it still, but the world is empty and I lost interest. I don't profit from Gemstone (I value my time at $200 an hour, so there is no activity in this game I do for money), I just wanted access to content that was behind 1000 hours of mind numbing virtual digging. Yes, I am truly a terrible cheater for having valuable time.

I respect your opinion on scripting, I just think you are wrong. I think a lot of people script. I think a lot of people should be scripting. I think AFK is just fine as long it doesn't hurt anyone. I think Simu should embrace it and put some clear ground rules around it to limit abuse/disruption instead of listening to some purists who want it banned entirely.

But my opinion is expressed through my absence.

For what it's worth, the retards on Discord won't be happy until there are so many rules in place that the game becomes literally unplayable. I'm surprised they haven't been advocating for Lich to get banned. Or maybe they have been advocating that for all I know.

[drumpel]

At the same time though, I don't understand why Simu puts out content that has the absolute most mind numbingly boring and tedious activities, and then expect people to run it manually like 10,000+ times or whatever



Just like the kid that takes his ball and goes home when he's mad.

I think it's a power trip for some of them.

[BLZrizz]

I respect your opinion on scripting, I just think you are wrong. I think a lot of people script. I think a lot of people should be scripting. I think AFK is just fine as long it doesn't hurt anyone. I think Simu should embrace it and put some clear ground rules around it to limit abuse/disruption instead of listening to some purists who want it banned entirely.

But my opinion is expressed through my absence.

People should be able to throw dynamite as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone…

Right now the formula for high end loot is expressed as Time/drudgery + entry fees. Is it stupid? Yes, probably, but that is what the devs are demanding as the price for access to high end. An AFK scripter is cheating on half that equation. The right way to do it is to use persuasion and debate to convince the devs that this model is no good for anyone and to encourage them to develop a better model, not to cheat and then complain about it after you get caught.

[Gelston]

People should be able to throw dynamite as long as it doesn’t hurt anyone…

Right now the formula for high end loot is expressed as Time/drudgery + entry fees. Is it stupid? Yes, probably, but that is what the devs are demanding as the price for access to high end. An AFK scripter is cheating on half that equation. The right way to do it is to use persuasion and debate to convince the devs that this model is no good for anyone and to encourage them to develop a better model, not to cheat and then complain about it after you get caught.

In Arizona you can throw dynamite as long as it doesn't hurt someone in certain areas.

[Realk]

In Arizona you can throw dynamite as long as it doesn't hurt someone in certain areas.


lmao, for some reason I've never thought of a reason to look up dynamite laws in Texas

[Velfi]

lmao, for some reason I've never thought of a reason to look up dynamite laws in Texas

You can go hog wild with tannerite.

[beldannon5]

I was lining their pockets when I caught a ban at EG for digging. 100K for a Gheyzte weapon is an impossibly high number for someone with a busy life who has an hour at most for games a day. I usually just buy seashells off another player, but I wanted to see if I could get a lucky draw and find a nice flare token. I assumed they were not gigantic assholes and wouldn't be script checking me on an activity that requires zero player engagement that I paid $ for - I certiainly was not at the Glaves level of sophistication, so I was easy to catch. They banned me for 90 days because I had four characters digging, one had a scripting warning from 2017 (forging). I had already paid for the game passes, so it felt a bit personal to get a ban. I definitely was AFK, but like four hours of digging a day and not being disruptive is hardly worth anyone's time. They got $100 worth of game passes from me and ruined my fun, but they lost the $200 more I had planned on spending at EG and the $10K I would've spent over the next 3 years.

I'd love to hear a contrarian view on why scripting during digging should be enforced? I'd love to hear someone explain why a witch hunt on scripters that reduces an already tiny player base makes any sense at all? I wonder why DR in February had low interest?

I honestly was thinking of coming back this weekend (my ban has long since passed) - but after reading this thread, it reminds me I need to continue to vote with my feet. I'll leave this game to the 100 people who are comfortable being in an abusive relationship. Subeta, you should sell out and never come back.

I think scripting should be fine as much as you want through pay events. You are paying money. (yes i know you are paying a monthly fee for normal hunting) As for afk scripting during non pay events eh not sure

[zhagen]

The problem is if they don't sometimes enforce the already inconsistent line then people will just get bolder and bolder..... sometimes ppl just get swept up in the show of force... like serving life sentences for "low risk" drug charges in the war on drugs

[audioserf]

“They should just let us ask script 24/7 it doesn’t hurt anyone”

*bigshot comes to prevalence, large number of people begin afk scripting silver farming during pandemic*

“Hey silvers are $2 what the fuck??”

[Xcalibur1]

I was lining their pockets when I caught a ban at EG for digging. 100K for a Gheyzte weapon is an impossibly high number for someone with a busy life who has an hour at most for games a day. I usually just buy seashells off another player, but I wanted to see if I could get a lucky draw and find a nice flare token. I assumed they were not gigantic assholes and wouldn't be script checking me on an activity that requires zero player engagement that I paid $ for - I certiainly was not at the Glaves level of sophistication, so I was easy to catch. They banned me for 90 days because I had four characters digging, one had a scripting warning from 2017 (forging). I had already paid for the game passes, so it felt a bit personal to get a ban. I definitely was AFK, but like four hours of digging a day and not being disruptive is hardly worth anyone's time. They got $100 worth of game passes from me and ruined my fun, but they lost the $200 more I had planned on spending at EG and the $10K I would've spent over the next 3 years.

I'd love to hear a contrarian view on why scripting during digging should be enforced? I'd love to hear someone explain why a witch hunt on scripters that reduces an already tiny player base makes any sense at all? I wonder why DR in February had low interest?

I honestly was thinking of coming back this weekend (my ban has long since passed) - but after reading this thread, it reminds me I need to continue to vote with my feet. I'll leave this game to the 100 people who are comfortable being in an abusive relationship. Subeta, you should sell out and never come back.

You didn't sniff enough gm's ass on discord to get a "do no touch customer" card, bro. Sorry

[Xcalibur1]

I keep asking the same thing and it just doesn't make sense on any level, however you think about it. Like you talk to Wyrom and he seems like a generally reasonable person, and yet simu policies do not reflect that. Maybe it comes from higher up, like Whatley has a special hard on for scripters, but again, that guy should be even more invested in keeping healthy population numbers and profits rolling in. It just doesn't make any sense that they're so bent on chopping down the tree they're sitting on, if anything they're doubling down lately.

you know you can publically be cool and shit in front of everyone and behind the scene be an adamant asshole and ask all junior staff to get their quotas or whatever.

[MispronouncedHeroine]

“They should just let us ask script 24/7 it doesn’t hurt anyone”

*bigshot comes to prevalence, large number of people begin afk scripting silver farming during pandemic*

“Hey silvers are $2 what the fuck??”

It would be trivial to stop AFK scripters from tanking the silver market or disrupting the world of Gemstone IV. I can think of a dozen ways to reduce their impact to nearly zero without a single warning/ban. But nobody has explained to me adequately why I need to be at my computer for virtual digging for 80 hours just to get a new weapon. I just usually paid people (less than minimum wage) for blood scrip, for high level characters, and for cool gear. I sincerely hoped they were AFK scripting (for their sake). You should be angry at Simu for gating everything with drudgery (are you saying we can't make forging fun?), not at somebody like Subeta who was having a blast killing pirates in a private instance with a brilliant script. Everyone should be sad anytime anyone gets banned, because it is one less person to play this dying game with.

Why do you care if I am throwing dynamite? If you can't control your own life well enough to make yourself happy, why do you think controlling mine will make you happy?

[Stanley Burrell]

Remember how at one point, they for real expected people to stare at their monitors while forging, even if they're in 200 seconds of RT or something, or else risk getting an afk scripting violation, even if they weren't scripting at all? They at least had enough sense to do away with that retarded rule, but still don't seem to have caught onto the fact that if they made content more engaging instead of tedious to the most extreme levels, it would be scripted a lot less, afk or not afk. Sitting back watching the game play itself is pretty boring too in most situations.

Uh, not to veer off-topic, but I (as someone who almost caught a warning during the grind to 500 ranks - right as EXP got tied into forging + crafting) am wondering how this is being less implemented (I hope?)

[audioserf]

It would be trivial to stop AFK scripters from tanking the silver market or disrupting the world of Gemstone IV. I can think of a dozen ways to reduce their impact to nearly zero without a single warning/ban. But nobody has explained to me adequately why I need to be at my computer for virtual digging for 80 hours just to get a new weapon. I just usually paid people (less than minimum wage) for blood scrip, for high level characters, and for cool gear. I sincerely hoped they were AFK scripting (for their sake). You should be angry at Simu for gating everything with drudgery (are you saying we can't make forging fun?), not at somebody like Subeta who was having a blast killing pirates in a private instance with a brilliant script. Everyone should be sad anytime anyone gets banned, because it is one less person to play this dying game with.

Why do you care if I am throwing dynamite? If you can't control your own life well enough to make yourself happy, why do you think controlling mine will make you happy?

For someone who allegedly values their time at $200/hr you have a lot of shit to say about a text mud you quit playing

[MispronouncedHeroine]

For someone who allegedly values their time at $200/hr you have a lot of shit to say about a text mud quit playing

I played it off and on for 27 years. I used to make $4 an hour.

[BLZrizz]

It would be trivial to stop AFK scripters from tanking the silver market or disrupting the world of Gemstone IV. I can think of a dozen ways to reduce their impact to nearly zero without a single warning/ban. But nobody has explained to me adequately why I need to be at my computer for virtual digging for 80 hours just to get a new weapon. I just usually paid people (less than minimum wage) for blood scrip, for high level characters, and for cool gear. I sincerely hoped they were AFK scripting (for their sake). You should be angry at Simu for gating everything with drudgery (are you saying we can't make forging fun?), not at somebody like Subeta who was having a blast killing pirates in a private instance with a brilliant script. Everyone should be sad anytime anyone gets banned, because it is one less person to play this dying game with.

Why do you care if I am throwing dynamite? If you can't control your own life well enough to make yourself happy, why do you think controlling mine will make you happy?

Whoa. Where to start.

1. I'll begin with a question: if GS is made available as a solo player game, with no other PCs but you, would you play it? Probably a resounding no, and I suspect this is the same for most players. At least for me, I play because I get to develop and improve my character in a living world, even if I don't interact often with the individual components of that world. The knowledge that I COULD, however, is where all the value lies. I can say something to a name on my screen and start an interesting interaction. Folks can do the same with me. The GS player culture, of which I am a part, is a big reason why I still play after 20+ years and why I would never play GS as a solo game. Thing is, a society like this fragile.

I'll end with another question: what would be the quickest way to kill this fragile golden goose?

2. The Drudgery + Fees model is unquestionably stupid. But that is the rule. In a civilized society, we engage in debate about stupid rules, and we get the rule changed. That is happening here, with discussion of multipliers, etc. Wantonly breaking the rule, getting caught, and then acting like a martyr has rarely been seen as constructive, unless the rule is particularly arbitrary, unjust, etc. Some may say this is the case, but I'd refer them to #1 above.

3. Every player is important, I agree. But, again, refer to #1. If they are just a bot, are they really the kind of "player" that will contribute to, or at least not detract from, the society that is arguably GS4's biggest asset?

I used the dynamite analogy because the idea you so flippantly propose strikes at the heart of what makes GS4 tick (and flourish, with revenue per player that every other MMO can only dream of), but you seem too daft recognize it.

[Rjex]

If they are just a bot, are they really the kind of "player" that will contribute to, or at least not detract from, the society that is arguably GS4's biggest asset?

We're not talking about 100% bots though. We're talking about most regular players who choose to automate the 95% of the drudgery in this game. I can see an argument being made about players being unresponsive, which sucks for sure, and can be detracting. But that's not really what happens most of the time with script checks, GMs don't try to interact with you in normal ways, they tend to go out of their way to find ways to sneak their checks in. Which begs the question... why? If a player would have responded to a normal interaction, why go beyond that? Also, in the same vein, OSA is basically a single player GS experience. So what peggy was doing over there was having exactly 0% affect on my gameplay. If he wanted to play a ship captain with a crew of bot characters... in a single player portion of the game... who cares. "But silver prices..." is the common response, but honestly I'd rather have more people playing this game than silvers being worth 50 cents more in an emptier world. Also, as mentioned, there are ways to penalize that aside from bans. Him and his crew could've been slapped with 90% silver penalty or something for the same period, and gotten the same result, without having to lose a player.

[SylphSorc]

I played it off and on for 27 years. I used to make $4 an hour.

You sound like someone who is important in their own mind

[Meddel]

Peggyanne got the Admiral title for buying one of each boat. My experience with loot in OSA suggests he put in a lot more silvers than he took out. This was something he enjoyed, not something he was profiting from.

[Rjex]

Fair point, I forgot how much silvers those boats cost. He prolly was way into negatives on that alone.

[Methais]

Also, as mentioned, there are ways to penalize that aside from bans. Him and his crew could've been slapped with 90% silver penalty or something for the same period, and gotten the same result, without having to lose a player.

This. Instead of bans, slap people with heavy exp/loot penalties.

[Lavastene]

He was often buying silvers. So yes, I think he was in the negatives.

From my understanding that crew collected a lot of gems, but gems alone won't pay for a Man O'War.

[Xcalibur1]

You know, we're in 2022, and the fact that a PAID event is designed as (let's take DR as an example, I never cared about other events):

1) top tier item require 200k (if not more) currency that you get in said paid event.

2) You get 300 per what, 3 minutes on average?

3) So around 2000 minutes or 33 hours for one char.

Any smart player will bring another toon, if not 2 (a trio mcdo).

So instead of 33 hours, you waste 22 or maybe 11 hours.

AND THEY EXPECT YOU TO BE AT YOUR COMPUTER HAVING FUN (FUN FUN FUN FUN) STARING BLINDLY FOR 11-22-33 HOURS TO GET THE ITEM!

They designed it like that !

Absolutely no pity for simu, they deserve all the shit they're getting lately.

[MispronouncedHeroine]

Whoa. Where to start.

1. I'll begin with a question: if GS is made available as a solo player game, with no other PCs but you, would you play it? Probably a resounding no, and I suspect this is the same for most players. At least for me, I play because I get to develop and improve my character in a living world, even if I don't interact often with the individual components of that world. The knowledge that I COULD, however, is where all the value lies. I can say something to a name on my screen and start an interesting interaction. Folks can do the same with me. The GS player culture, of which I am a part, is a big reason why I still play after 20+ years and why I would never play GS as a solo game. Thing is, a society like this fragile.

I'll end with another question: what would be the quickest way to kill this fragile golden goose?

2. The Drudgery + Fees model is unquestionably stupid. But that is the rule. In a civilized society, we engage in debate about stupid rules, and we get the rule changed. That is happening here, with discussion of multipliers, etc. Wantonly breaking the rule, getting caught, and then acting like a martyr has rarely been seen as constructive, unless the rule is particularly arbitrary, unjust, etc. Some may say this is the case, but I'd refer them to #1 above.

3. Every player is important, I agree. But, again, refer to #1. If they are just a bot, are they really the kind of "player" that will contribute to, or at least not detract from, the society that is arguably GS4's biggest asset?

I used the dynamite analogy because the idea you so flippantly propose strikes at the heart of what makes GS4 tick (and flourish, with revenue per player that every other MMO can only dream of), but you seem too daft recognize it.

Number 1: agree. GSIV as a solo game is shattered, and nobody plays it.

Number 2: disagree. There are going to be a lot of "illegal" abortions soon. I played the game the way I wanted to play it, and I left when they wouldn't let me play the way I wanted to play. Some people follow all the rules, some people don't. Using bans when they should be using their brains to solve this problem is the gist of my comments. And no, I am not going to lobby simu. I don't care, I already cast my vote with my feet, and being a Karen isn't my game plan in life. That doesn't make me a martyr, but I'll let you look up the definition of a martyr. Do I miss the game? Yes, a bit. It was a good 27 years, though my life is always better without GSIV. I honestly posted here because it reminded me why I left and I felt bad for Subeta. I'd imagine creating a really cool script and then getting banned sucks.

Number 3: disagree. We crossed paths quite a bit a few years ago and had a couple great RP moments. And that is just the character I know. Nobody is just a bot. You were definitely a lot of fun to play with and I think a solid dude.

But you did call me daft and then talk about revenue per player in the same paragraph. What is the size of your user base? What is your subscription growth rate? The answers to those two questions are why no MMO is dreaming of being GSIV and why it isn't advertised anywhere and has one PM and no developers. I think "flourishing" is perhaps a stretch? This isn't a golden goose, kiddo. But apparently, I am the daft one. If you ban everybody who flirts with being AFK, you'd be lonely. You'll leave this game when your friends leave. Lich changed the game for the better.

But arguing on the internet is boring. Best of luck!

[MispronouncedHeroine]

You sound like someone who is important in their own mind

Isn't that sort of on-brand for Gemstone IV players?

[BLZrizz]

We're not talking about 100% bots though. We're talking about most regular players who choose to automate the 95% of the drudgery in this game. I can see an argument being made about players being unresponsive, which sucks for sure, and can be detracting. But that's not really what happens most of the time with script checks, GMs don't try to interact with you in normal ways, they tend to go out of their way to find ways to sneak their checks in. Which begs the question... why? If a player would have responded to a normal interaction, why go beyond that? Also, as mentioned, there are ways to penalize that aside from bans. Him and his crew could've been slapped with 90% silver penalty or something for the same period, and gotten the same result, without having to lose a player.

I agree that script checks should NOT be difficult to pass, and the bar to finding a violation should be high. I think the concern there is people scripting around the check.

Also like the in-game penalty idea. This can be loot as you said but also exp, like a death's sting that has to be worked off.

[Xcalibur1]

Anyway, peggyanne is a fucking disgusting pedo

[Velfi]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZfW2z9dw

[Orthin]

Yeah OSA is definitely not a silver generator or at least that is my experience with it. It's good exp though and no spell burst

[Flap]

Fifth, I have only ever cybered with one male in this game and that was over 20 years ago

This doesn't count?


[LNet]-GSIV:Peggyanne: "tp flapja Pulls his body back and grabs your hips with both hands. Then and in one smooth transition thrusts forward, again plunging his twitching cock into your hungry asshole. Without pausing he continues the stroke until his cock is pressing fervently against your inner walls"

I can't believe you're ashamed of what we do Peggy :(

[Methais]

This doesn't count?


[LNet]-GSIV:Peggyanne: "tp flapja Pulls his body back and grabs your hips with both hands. Then and in one smooth transition thrusts forward, again plunging his twitching cock into your hungry asshole. Without pausing he continues the stroke until his cock is pressing fervently against your inner walls"

I can't believe you're ashamed of what we do Peggy :(


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBTTWDHvmX0

[SonoftheNorth]

This doesn't count?



I can't believe you're ashamed of what we do Peggy :(



Someone reset the peggyanne incident clock.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Lol wtf. This is a family game. How do they even allow this stuff

[Taernath]

If you cyber at an Ivas shrine you should get an RPA, change my mind.

[Realk]

If you cyber at an Ivas shrine you should get an RPA, change my mind.

The mularos chamber in Illy

[Gelston]

The mularos chamber in Illy

oh what a lovely place. Nothing latches there though. :(

[Gelston]

Lol wtf. This is a family game. How do they even allow this stuff

It is!!!


Dear Parents,

My name is Eric. I'm the father of five children and in addition to being a game producer for Simutronics, I worked for over six years as the Product Manager of Simutronics' Multiplayer Roleplaying Game, DragonRealms. I understand, as a parent, that you feel concern for your child's welfare in the mysterious and sometimes cryptic realm of text-based on-line games. To help you understand what we are all about, I've written this letter to inform you about our company, our games, and the sorts of activities you can expect your child to be participating in.

The majority of our games are text-based multiplayer games run by our IFE (Interactive Fiction Engine). Each of our IFE games supports a unique environment in which users role-play (that is, play act) their characters. Like actors on a stage, when players role-play, they assume the identity of the character that they have created, acting as if they were a real adventurer in a strange new world.

If you've ever read Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy or C. S. Lewis's Chronicles of Narnia; if you've ever seen the movie "Neverending Story" or Disney's "Fantasia", then you will have an idea what our games are all about. We create fantasy worlds in which players get to pretend to be the characters of the book rather than reading about them. In many ways, our players are writing their own story.

As far as winning the game goes, that is entirely up to the players. They decide what the goals are within the game, and then work to achieve those goals. Some may want to be the most powerful Mage, or the most respected Empath. Some may simply want to play the role of an honorable Warrior who rescues people in distress and combats the evil monsters that invaded the land. Some players measure success by the amount of personal wealth that they amass. In the end, it's the player that decides how their story will play out and what it is they want to achieve.

Many people play our games at the same time, from various online services and the Internet. As players wander around the game, they will encounter other players and be able to interact with them in a variety of ways. Interaction between players can take many forms, from simply sitting in the town square chatting with other players, to working together to solve a puzzle, or heading off into the wilds in search of adventure.

Indeed, the mechanics of our games emphasize cooperation rather than competition. Players must work together in teams in order to effectively fight invading creatures, or solve complex puzzles. They are not encouraged to compete for resources or combat each other in battle. Communication skills are utilized with regularity, encouraging improvement in language, typing and grammar skills. In addition, the anonymity granted by the simulated text-based environment allows shy children to feel less threatened and freer to socialize in a healthy atmosphere where player interaction is regulated by a staff of over 150 GameMasters.

Few online gaming companies have more experience than Simutronics, which has produced online games for ten years. We have received the prestigious "Member's Choice Award" from AOL, the "Online Game of the Year, 1993 Award" from Computer Gaming World Magazine for CyberStrike, and received both teenage and child approval ratings from Microsystems.

At Simutronics, we care about promoting a family atmosphere that can allow players of all ages to participate in and enjoy our games. Day and night our GameMasters monitor for public incidents of vulgarity, sexually explicit language, unlawful conduct and harassment. Repeat offenders may find themselves locked out of the games for a period of time up to three months, or indefinitely. A safe, healthy environment is very important to our staff, which specifically designs the games in order to promote teamwork and creativity.

There is a lot of talk these days about the dangers of the Internet. Much of these concerns are similar to the concerns we all have as parents when our children go to the shopping mall or camping or even school. We want our children to be safe but still be able to enjoy their life. When a child has a problem at school, he/she can go find a teacher who can then protect them. When a player has a problem with someone in our games, he/she can instantly contact a GameMaster for help.

In many ways, our games are a safer place than the local park or playground. Your child can simply log off if needed. Safety is as close as typing QUIT. If someone harasses your child in real life, he/she may not be able to get help right away. In our games, help is as close as typing REPORT. Wouldn't you feel better if your child in real life could get help instantly when needed?

While our games are maintained as a safe environment (GameMasters work hard to keep it that way), the same common sense cautions apply to our games as they do to any place you allow your child to attend. While GameMasters have the capability to monitor anything that happens in the game, they can't monitor everything all the time. So, we highly encourage you to watch what your child is doing in the game. Pop in unexpectedly from time to time and watch and ask questions.

But does that make us a "G" rated game? No, we consider ourselves a "PG" or even "PG-13" (we have some graphic descriptions of violence in our combat) game. It's not for every child. Naturally, we encourage parents to guide their children in the use of the game. Our standards might not be your standards.

Our game has thousands of other people who can potentially interact with your child and we cannot guarantee that they will behave themselves appropriately all the time. There's nothing that we can put in place that can replace you as a parent. No matter how safe we make the our games, we hope that every parent will still monitor their child's activity in the game.

I've watched my child (aged 13) play DragonRealms and she has become a better reader, a better typist (she went from hunt and peck to touch typing), learned how to communicate more clearly, learned better how to interact with others responsibly and has grown socially and creatively. I believe this can happen to your child as well. In fact, they'll be enjoying themselves so much that they won't even realize how much they are learning.

Yours sincerely,

Eric Slick
Simutronics Game Producer

P.S. If you ever have questions about your child's behavior in the game or have other questions which this letter didn't cover or answer adequately, you can write to custserv@simutronics.com.

https://www.play.net/playdotnet/cservice/letter_parents.asp

[Stanley Burrell]

Remember how at one point, they for real expected people to stare at their monitors while forging, even if they're in 200 seconds of RT or something, or else risk getting an afk scripting violation, even if they weren't scripting at all? They at least had enough sense to do away with that retarded rule, but still don't seem to have caught onto the fact that if they made content more engaging instead of tedious to the most extreme levels, it would be scripted a lot less, afk or not afk. Sitting back watching the game play itself is pretty boring too in most situations.


Uh, not to veer off-topic, but I (as someone who almost caught a warning during the grind to 500 ranks - right as EXP got tied into forging + crafting) am wondering how this is being less implemented (I hope?)

Still wondering if someone can please educate me on how things changed for forging/crafting and if/how the tedium of trying not to catch a warning was made more player-friendly?

[Gelston]

Still wondering if someone can please educate me on how things changed for forging/crafting and if/how the tedium of trying not to catch a warning was made more player-friendly?

The change was made to how policy was enforced regarding crafting. This was done several years back. A lot of crafting will have ridiculously long RT, and you could go through several script checks during that RT. People used to get busted for AFK scripting, even if they weren't running a script at all, because they weren't there during the RT. Now script checks are timed to occur right before and after actions, rather than just during RT.

[Xcalibur1]

[LNet]-GSIV:Peggyanne: "tp flapja Pulls his body back and grabs your hips with both hands. Then and in one smooth transition thrusts forward, again plunging his twitching cock into your hungry asshole. Without pausing he continues the stroke until his cock is pressing fervently against your inner walls"

(

What's an hungry asshole, pedoanne?

[Parkbandit]

What's an hungry asshole, pedoanne?

Why did you eat something for lunch today?

[gilchristr]

That letter is signed by someone named eric "slick"

[Methais]

That letter is signed by someone named eric "slick"

There's only one true Slick, and he's the Doctor of Style.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-ccE4vK8I

[Gelston]

There's only one true Slick, and he's the Doctor of Style.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGS8Vq9XUeQ

Eric Slick would ban him from DragonRealms. In the 90s.

[ycelacie]

He was told by one of his spy.

lmao right... this is too funny

[ycelacie]

the osa scripts have the ability to issue commands to the group through private lnet servers.. it's really pretty genius. I wish Peggy didn't make himself a target, because this type of logic could have been very usefully if it had not been made illegal.

[ycelacie]

I don't think anyone believes it entitles them to that. Simu just seems more tolerant of it at pay events. But I suppose it could depend on which GMs are active at the time and how miserable they are.

At the same time though, I don't understand why Simu puts out content that has the absolute most mind numbingly boring and tedious activities, and then expect people to run it manually like 10,000+ times or whatever

Perhaps Simu should ask themselves why stuff like that gets scripted so heavily to begin with.

Remember how at one point, they for real expected people to stare at their monitors while forging, even if they're in 200 seconds of RT or something, or else risk getting an afk scripting violation, even if they weren't scripting at all? They at least had enough sense to do away with that retarded rule, but still don't seem to have caught onto the fact that if they made content more engaging instead of tedious to the most extreme levels, it would be scripted a lot less, afk or not afk. Sitting back watching the game play itself is pretty boring too in most situations.

im pretty sure its because digging is like u get to do it unlimited vs things that cost entries

[Methais]

im pretty sure its because digging is like u get to do it unlimited vs things that cost entries

Digging isn't unlimited.

[Subeta]

376 days total. 2m runs about $7 now if you’re interested me love you long time. Plus, I AM back.

[Ramrod]

376 days total. 2m runs about $7 now if you’re interested me love you long time. Plus, I AM back.

You sell gift certificates? Some of us want to chip in and buy Methais a present.

[Subeta]

You sell gift certificates? Some of us want to chip in and buy Methais a present.

15 dolla me luv you long tiiie babeee… fucky sucky awwww nie longgg!

[phantasm]

I already knew you were back before you posted because my spies told me.

[Methais]

You sell gift certificates? Some of us want to chip in and buy Methais a present.

I hope it's a one year membership to the Jelly of the Month club.

It's the gift that keeps on giving the whole year.

[WRoss]

I hope it's a one year membership to the Jelly of the Month club.

It's the give that keeps on giving the whole year.

Flavored KY, right?

[Methais]

Flavored KY, right?

Yes, but I forgot what flavor your sister said she prefers. Could you ask her for me and get back to me?

kek

[Parkbandit]

Yes, but I forgot what flavor your sister said she prefers. Could you ask her for me and get back to me?

kek

He probably already knows from personal experience.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yes, but I forgot what flavor your sister said she prefers. Could you ask her for me and get back to me?

kek

She prefers the one that gives a lingering painful burning sensation every time she pees. It serves as a constant reminder of the greatest 30 seconds of her life.

(JK - couldn’t resist)

[Ramrod]

I hope it's a one year membership to the Jelly of the Month club.

It's the give that keeps on giving the whole year.

Hallelujah! Holy shit! Where's the Tylenol?