On Taking the Lead and Burying the Lede

[Latrinsorm]

Omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

Omicron is the third leading cause of death in America for vaccinated Americans.

There have been many, very many, like a lot a lot, of reports that omicron is fine and less deadly actually because cases don't matter and also they're down so actually that part matters and is good but also also don't look at anything else, something something endemic something we have to learn to live with it.

And omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

And omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

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Aren't you tired?

Aren't you tired of the smug people asking who you're going to believe, them or your lying eyes?
You can see that the deaths blew past the delta peak already, and are only getting higher.
Who are they trying to kid?

How many times do we have to pretend that yes, we can do nothing and everything will be fine, only for it to immediately and horrifically blow up in our faces?

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I have been puzzled recently to see our comrades on this site get "up" in arms at the suggestion that I am trying to dispense wisdom.

From the very beginning, I have offered you neither wisdom nor power, but appealed to your courage.

We all know what we have to do.
We all have the power to do it.

So far, we have not chosen to do so, because we were afraid.
We were afraid it would hurt - it will!
We were afraid it would be hard - it will be!
We were afraid most of all they would laugh at us - they will, Barbara!

I seek only to remind us; not of the facts.
We're seeing the deadliest pandemic in American history reach yet another peak.
It would therefore take the stupidest idiot in American history to think "no yeah this is fine actually."

Remind.
We are all born with courage.
We are all born able to see a hard task and rise to meet it.
Because it's just the right thing to do.
Because we ought to.

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Omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

We all know this and no one will say it.

Aren't we tired of that cowardice?

[Gelston]

The only thing I'm tired of is your inane threads.

[Suppressed Poet]

Latrin I’m worried about you…

You gotta get out of the house and live life. Eff Omnicron. Eff the fear mongers. You only have one life to live and time is precious. Get outside more often and spend less time on the innerwebs.

[Realk]

Omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

man the kool aid is strong. also i'm glad you don't have to make a case for anybody who gives a shit for a living cause you would not get the job.

[SHAFT]

I’ve had Covid. I’m vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated you’re good. Go live, we’ll all get it eventually.

If you’re unvaccinated… you’re gambling. Could end up intubated… could not.

Fact is, you’re better off vaccinated. Math is math. Form the state of WA:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

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[Parkbandit]

Omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

Omicron is the third leading cause of death in America for vaccinated Americans.

There have been many, very many, like a lot a lot, of reports that omicron is fine and less deadly actually because cases don't matter and also they're down so actually that part matters and is good but also also don't look at anything else, something something endemic something we have to learn to live with it.

And omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

And omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

.

Aren't you tired?

Aren't you tired of the smug people asking who you're going to believe, them or your lying eyes?
You can see that the deaths blew past the delta peak already, and are only getting higher.
Who are they trying to kid?

How many times do we have to pretend that yes, we can do nothing and everything will be fine, only for it to immediately and horrifically blow up in our faces?

.

I have been puzzled recently to see our comrades on this site get "up" in arms at the suggestion that I am trying to dispense wisdom.

From the very beginning, I have offered you neither wisdom nor power, but appealed to your courage.

We all know what we have to do.
We all have the power to do it.

So far, we have not chosen to do so, because we were afraid.
We were afraid it would hurt - it will!
We were afraid it would be hard - it will be!
We were afraid most of all they would laugh at us - they will, Barbara!

I seek only to remind us; not of the facts.
We're seeing the deadliest pandemic in American history reach yet another peak.
It would therefore take the stupidest idiot in American history to think "no yeah this is fine actually."

Remind.
We are all born with courage.
We are all born able to see a hard task and rise to meet it.
Because it's just the right thing to do.
Because we ought to.

.

Omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

We all know this and no one will say it.

Aren't we tired of that cowardice?

The very last person I'll take advice on how to be courageous would be ClydeR.

You would come in a very close second.

But I'll bite: What is your actual solution? Your "On the" series is basically just you telling everyone how utterly frightened you are about pretty much everything.. but I didn't read anything about your solution.

How will Latrinesorm defeat Covid.. something your Joe Biden claimed he would do.. yet has failed miserably.

ETA: The words you used a bold font on are hilarious though. "Courage", "Chosen" and "RE"

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[Gelston]

I’ve had Covid. I’m vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated you’re good. Go live, we’ll all get it eventually.

If you’re unvaccinated… you’re gambling. Could end up intubated… could not.

Fact is, you’re better off vaccinated. Math is math. Form the state of WA:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

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My wife has had it twice. I've had it at least once. I was right by her the entire time she had it the second time so I'm either immune or asymptomatic now. First time sucked for her. I only lost taste and smell for a week. Second time she only lost taste and smell.

[Parkbandit]

My wife has had it twice. I've had it at least once. I was right by her the entire time she had it the second time so I'm either immune or asymptomatic now. First time sucked for her. I only lost taste and smell for a week. Second time she only lost taste and smell.

"Good thing you both are fully vaccinated or you would both be dead!" -My neighbor when she found out we had just gotten over covid.

[Gelston]

"Good thing you both are fully vaccinated or you would both be dead!" -My neighbor when she found out we had just gotten over covid.

Hell, first time was before there was even a vaccine readily available, December 2020. Second time was just slightly over a year later.

[Latrinsorm]

Latrin I’m worried about you…

You gotta get out of the house and live life. Eff Omnicron. Eff the fear mongers. You only have one life to live and time is precious. Get outside more often and spend less time on the innerwebs.

all we gotta do is die

everything else we have to choose, weighing the return and the cost

i choose to minimize my contributions to the deadliest pandemic in american history, one that far from receding has reached a peak in deaths not seen in almost a year - think of all the resources we array against murder, suicide, diabetes, high blood pressure, then think of a single cause of death that kills more than all four combined...

...among the vaccinated alone

surely 'i won't go to burger king any more' is an objectively innocuous and proportionate response, no? you talk about fear mongering but where is the fear in basic arithmetic? i.e., we spent X against Y, surely we should spend 4X against 4Y

[Suppressed Poet]

all we gotta do is die

everything else we have to choose, weighing the return and the cost

i choose to minimize my contributions to the deadliest pandemic in american history, one that far from receding has reached a peak in deaths not seen in almost a year - think of all the resources we array against murder, suicide, diabetes, high blood pressure, then think of a single cause of death that kills more than all four combined...

...among the vaccinated alone

surely 'i won't go to burger king any more' is an objectively innocuous and proportionate response, no? you talk about fear mongering but where is the fear in basic arithmetic? i.e., we spent X against Y, surely we should spend 4X against 4Y

I don’t know about all that math and statistics. I just know I’m too damn tough and healthy to be a victim of Omnicron. That death is not my destiny. And Whoppers are far too delicious to give up. This is Murica after all. I’m getting mine with cheese and all the fixin’s.

[SHAFT]

I don’t know about all that math and statistics. I just know I’m too damn tough and healthy to be a victim of Omnicron. That death is not my destiny. And Whoppers are far too delicious to give up. This is Murica after all. I’m getting mine with cheese and all the fixin’s.

Omicron wasn't bad. Especially with the vaccine.

The early days of covid without the vaccine were probably rough.

Eventually it'll be like getting the flu or a bad cold. Which is why all restrictions should be lifted everywhere.

[Suppressed Poet]

Omicron wasn't bad. Especially with the vaccine.

The early days of covid without the vaccine were probably rough.

Eventually it'll be like getting the flu or a bad cold. Which is why all restrictions should be lifted everywhere.

In all seriousness, I agree. The infection rate is higher but it’s less deadly (at an individual rate) than the previous versions.

Covid is just something we are going to have to live with.

[SHAFT]

Get rid of the mask mandates, get rid of the vaccination mandates… just pisses people off. If people refuse to be vaccinated at this point it’s on them.

[Latrinsorm]

I’ve had Covid. I’m vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated you’re good. Go live, we’ll all get it eventually.

If you’re unvaccinated… you’re gambling. Could end up intubated… could not.

Fact is, you’re better off vaccinated. Math is math. Form the state of WA:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

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i do not dispute that the risk for the vaccinated from covid is less than the risk for the unvaccinated from covid; indeed, as is demonstrated in the OP the risk for the unvaccinated from covid is by far the worst of all

but it does not follow that anything better is "good" - it could be fair, decent, average, poor, bad, terrible. for example, as your source indicates 195 vaccinated washingtonians died of covid in the month of December 2021 out of 5,000,000 or so vaccinated washingtonners. that seems great...

...except that the only three causes of death that kill more out of 5m washingtonites in a month are heart disease (830) cancer (750) and accidents (220)...

...and january was even worse everywhere else in america (to the point where it passed accidents and took third), so probably washington too

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plenty of people have told you something similar to the first sentence in your post

why is this the first you're hearing about what the actual specific risk is to vaccinated people relative to all the other risks vaccinated people face? doesn't that seem kind of important? how are you supposed to make an informed decision without it?

and i didn't get this info in a parking garage from some guy in a trench coat, i didn't hack splice the matrix, it's all information any bozo can pull off Internet. why is it so hush-hush?

[Latrinsorm]

The very last person I'll take advice on how to be courageous would be ClydeR.

You would come in a very close second.

But I'll bite: What is your actual solution? Your "On the" series is basically just you telling everyone how utterly frightened you are about pretty much everything.. but I didn't read anything about your solution.

How will Latrinesorm defeat Covid.. something your Joe Biden claimed he would do.. yet has failed miserably.

ETA: The words you used a bold font on are hilarious though. "Courage", "Chosen" and "RE"



The first simple and commonsense steps are adding covid to the vaccines that are currently mandated and masks to the clothes that are currently mandated. To do this of course we will need to replace many current representatives, but until then we can lead the way and make it socially unacceptable to not do so until it becomes legally unacceptable.

As a bonus, said elections will also put us in position to finally take the lead on the world stage, as American leadership has always been required to combat global threats. This part is a lot harder for individual citizens to address while we wait, but leading by example is still leading.

From there, a general reconfiguration of the education system was necessary anyway so we can roll that up with the required adjustments to cut down the historic risks covid already poses to children, let alone how dangerous it will become from the new variants we've already allowed to come into being.

A few years of scheduled circuit breaker lockdowns will probably be necessary as all of these changes are implemented, the data would govern that part though.

[Latrinsorm]

I don’t know about all that math and statistics.

sure you do, you just read them

you can choose to ignore them if you want, but it's not a question of knowledge

you know

[Latrinsorm]

Omicron wasn't bad. Especially with the vaccine.

The early days of covid without the vaccine were probably rough.

Eventually it'll be like getting the flu or a bad cold. Which is why all restrictions should be lifted everywhere.

more vaccinated people have died of coronavirus in two months than the rate of everyone (vaccinated + unvaccinated) dying of flu in a year

you say eventually it'll be like getting the flu, i say great, let me know how many vaccinated people die before then and we can make an informed decision about lifting restrictions now

and then if we get to then and it turns out it's not like the flu then either, we can continue making informed decisions about lifting restrictions

seem fair?

[SHAFT]

more vaccinated people have died of coronavirus in two months than the rate of everyone (vaccinated + unvaccinated) dying of flu in a year

you say eventually it'll be like getting the flu, i say great, let me know how many vaccinated people die before then and we can make an informed decision about lifting restrictions now

and then if we get to then and it turns out it's not like the flu then either, we can continue making informed decisions about lifting restrictions

seem fair?

Covid appears to be getting weaker. I’m assuming with each new strain it’ll get weaker.

Also, everyone will eventually get Covid. Over time there will be more vaccinations, as well.

Eventually yes, I see this being similar to the flu or a bad cold. I didn’t say tomorrow.

[Neveragain]

more vaccinated people have died of coronavirus in two months than the rate of everyone (vaccinated + unvaccinated) dying of flu in a year

you say eventually it'll be like getting the flu, i say great, let me know how many vaccinated people die before then and we can make an informed decision about lifting restrictions now

and then if we get to then and it turns out it's not like the flu then either, we can continue making informed decisions about lifting restrictions

seem fair?

Until you announce that you are against murdering babies for personal gain, I can't and won't take you seriously.

[Gelston]

Omicron wasn't bad. Especially with the vaccine.

The early days of covid without the vaccine were probably rough.

Eventually it'll be like getting the flu or a bad cold. Which is why all restrictions should be lifted everywhere.

Local VA hospital just removed the COVID screening questions. Still need masks, but honestly, I always felt masks should be required at hospitals, COVID or not.

[Suppressed Poet]

Latrin,

What are you going to do? I mean yes Covid is terrible and I don’t discount that many people have died. It’s a pandemic. Can you honestly justify supporting the restricting of people’s freedoms in the name of public safety? Should we lock people in their homes and let marshal law reign?

I mean it’s reached Kiribati for God’s sake despite 2 years of stringent lockdown measures. All containment efforts have failed. If we give you a magic wand to legislate any measures that you want to save lives, nobody could be certain how effective that would be. And have you considered the cost of such suspension of freedoms would be or that a large portion of the global population simply won’t comply with such mandates?

My advice to you Latrin…focus on what’s in your immediate control. Take care of yourself and your loved ones. Live your life to it’s fullest. Please don’t be quick to condemn others that have a different opinion than you. Take whatever safety precautions you feel are necessary, but don’t try to force those upon everyone else. Things will (and already are) getting better.

[Parkbandit]

The first simple and commonsense steps are adding covid to the vaccines that are currently mandated and masks to the clothes that are currently mandated. To do this of course we will need to replace many current representatives, but until then we can lead the way and make it socially unacceptable to not do so until it becomes legally unacceptable.

As a bonus, said elections will also put us in position to finally take the lead on the world stage, as American leadership has always been required to combat global threats. This part is a lot harder for individual citizens to address while we wait, but leading by example is still leading.

From there, a general reconfiguration of the education system was necessary anyway so we can roll that up with the required adjustments to cut down the historic risks covid already poses to children, let alone how dangerous it will become from the new variants we've already allowed to come into being.

A few years of scheduled circuit breaker lockdowns will probably be necessary as all of these changes are implemented, the data would govern that part though.

So, your "solution" to covid is for everyone to be forced to get vaccinated and forced to wear masks.

Even though the vaccine and masks have been proven not to be that effective. And lockdown has been proven to be more harmful than helpful.

Your "solution" has been tried over the past year and more people have gotten sick in 2021 and died in 2021 than in 2020.

I thought you had something new we should try... not the 2020 Covid Response Handbook.

[Latrinsorm]

Covid appears to be getting weaker. I’m assuming with each new strain it’ll get weaker.

Also, everyone will eventually get Covid. Over time there will be more vaccinations, as well.

Eventually yes, I see this being similar to the flu or a bad cold. I didn’t say tomorrow.

okay, not february 7th, you were definitely right about that one

it's easy to say "getting weaker", "everyone will eventually get", "eventually similar to the flu"
it's easy to say them over and over, no matter how many surges we ("we") live through
h*ck, one guy has been quite famously saying stuff like that since February 2020
still waiting on that miracle

give yourself a little credit
pick a number of total deaths, a number of peak deaths, a number of peaks
pick a point at which you'll say we screwed up and should have been fighting it all along,

and at which you will start fighting

it's hard, not because it's complex or convoluted or esoteric
it's hard because we don't want there to be any chance of saying that
it's hard because we're afraid of being wrong, afraid of being embarrassed
to say another thing we all already know, as has become my curséd wont, the only thing we have to fear

is fear itself

[Gelston]

Your poems suck.

[Gelston]

New York has dropped statewide mask mandate. Fauci says we are out of the pandemic phase.

[Latrinsorm]

Latrin,

What are you going to do? I mean yes Covid is terrible and I don’t discount that many people have died. It’s a pandemic. Can you honestly justify supporting the restricting of people’s freedoms in the name of public safety? Should we lock people in their homes and let marshal law reign?

I mean it’s reached Kiribati for God’s sake despite 2 years of stringent lockdown measures. All containment efforts have failed. If we give you a magic wand to legislate any measures that you want to save lives, nobody could be certain how effective that would be. And have you considered the cost of such suspension of freedoms would be or that a large portion of the global population simply won’t comply with such mandates?

My advice to you Latrin…focus on what’s in your immediate control. Take care of yourself and your loved ones. Live your life to it’s fullest. Please don’t be quick to condemn others that have a different opinion than you. Take whatever safety precautions you feel are necessary, but don’t try to force those upon everyone else. Things will (and already are) getting better.

this is another way to let ourselves the hook easy - no one managed to contain COVID yet, so it's impossible and we might as well give up entirely

no one ever managed to contain smallpox, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
no one ever managed to contain Hitler, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
in doing so, in both cases, we had to savagely curtail freedoms

we did it anyway

and no one, not one person, anywhere in the entire world, would argue that rationing price controls etc. were bad trades... because we were fighting literally Hitler!

so let's look at what specifically i'm aiming to force upon people:
-an 11% increase in vaccines they're required to take
-a 5% increase in clothes they're required to wear in public

...that's it? i've got the deadliest pandemic in US history at the highest daily death levels in a year, a conflict that in one year killed as many Americans as all of World War II, you've got "nine vaccines is freedom, ten vaccines is tyranny"? plenty of other people are gonna say the same thing as you, a lot more than are saying what i'm saying, and that makes you feel better

should it?

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you ask what i'm going to do, and it is what's in my immediate control - saying the truth. not just knowing it, we all know the truth, this is a very easy problem to solve, but until we say it, we won't do it

and the cost of that is another million dead Americans

[Latrinsorm]

So, your "solution" to covid is for everyone to be forced to get vaccinated and forced to wear masks.

Even though the vaccine and masks have been proven not to be that effective. And lockdown has been proven to be more harmful than helpful.

Your "solution" has been tried over the past year and more people have gotten sick in 2021 and died in 2021 than in 2020.

I thought you had something new we should try... not the 2020 Covid Response Handbook.

like i've said over and over, i'm not telling anyone anything they don't already know

we all know even the halfhearted and intermittent usage of vaccines, masks, and lockdowns made a huge impact
we all know the universal usage of vaccines has repeatedly eliminated all kinds of diseases

the something new i have for us to try is not the mechanics, we've all known them from the start
the something new i have for us to try... is to try!

to stop hiding, hiding behind sarcasm, hiding behind the same old knee jerk partisan bickering, hiding behind passive voice

we all have it in us to try
and all it takes is all of us
we've done it before
we've all imagined being on the side of the Allies or any other heroes of the past

now that it's real, which side do we want to be on?

[drumpel]

this is another way to let ourselves the hook easy - no one managed to contain COVID yet, so it's impossible and we might as well give up entirely

no one ever managed to contain smallpox, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
no one ever managed to contain Hitler, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
in doing so, in both cases, we had to savagely curtail freedoms

we did it anyway

and no one, not one person, anywhere in the entire world, would argue that rationing price controls etc. were bad trades... because we were fighting literally Hitler!

so let's look at what specifically i'm aiming to force upon people:
-an 11% increase in vaccines they're required to take
-a 5% increase in clothes they're required to wear in public

...that's it? i've got the deadliest pandemic in US history at the highest daily death levels in a year, a conflict that in one year killed as many Americans as all of World War II, you've got "nine vaccines is freedom, ten vaccines is tyranny"? plenty of other people are gonna say the same thing as you, a lot more than are saying what i'm saying, and that makes you feel better

should it?

.

you ask what i'm going to do, and it is what's in my immediate control - saying the truth. not just knowing it, we all know the truth, this is a very easy problem to solve, but until we say it, we won't do it

and the cost of that is another million dead Americans


I'd say the worst pandemic every was the introduction of diseases after Christopher Columbus and other explorers came to the Americas. An estimated 55 million natives died off from diseases spread, war and famine.

Anything Covid related worldwide is just a drop in the bucket compared to that.

[Parkbandit]

like i've said over and over, i'm not telling anyone anything they don't already know

we all know even the halfhearted and intermittent usage of vaccines, masks, and lockdowns made a huge impact
we all know the universal usage of vaccines has repeatedly eliminated all kinds of diseases

the something new i have for us to try is not the mechanics, we've all known them from the start
the something new i have for us to try... is to try!

to stop hiding, hiding behind sarcasm, hiding behind the same old knee jerk partisan bickering, hiding behind passive voice

we all have it in us to try
and all it takes is all of us
we've done it before
we've all imagined being on the side of the Allies or any other heroes of the past

now that it's real, which side do we want to be on?

You should just follow the science.

Science has proven that lockdowns do not work.
Science has proven that masks are ineffective.
Science has proven that the current vaccines do not stop the spread.
Science has proven that the current vaccines do not stop you from getting covid.

Why are you so anti-science, Mr. Flat Earther?

[Latrinsorm]

New York has dropped statewide mask mandate. Fauci says we are out of the pandemic phase.

Dr. Fauci hopes for a scenario where all Americans routinely get vaccinated - i agree that scenario is likely to bring deaths to a much lower number (if we accomplish it before allowing an even deadlier variant or variants than omicron to occur) which is why i have already advocated for it in this thread

when barely a quarter of America has gotten their booster, we are not out of the pandemic, which no doubt is no small part of why he did not say we are

what you should be asking yourself now is why so many people are saying he did anyway, and why they want you to say the same. who stands to gain from this? as always, we already know the answer

[Latrinsorm]

I'd say the worst pandemic every was the introduction of diseases after Christopher Columbus and other explorers came to the Americas. An estimated 55 million natives died off from diseases spread, war and famine.

Anything Covid related worldwide is just a drop in the bucket compared to that.

i encourage you to reread what i said

[Gelston]

Dr. Fauci hopes for a scenario where all Americans routinely get vaccinated - i agree that scenario is likely to bring deaths to a much lower number (if we accomplish it before allowing an even deadlier variant or variants than omicron to occur) which is why i have already advocated for it in this thread

when barely a quarter of America has gotten their booster, we are not out of the pandemic, which no doubt is no small part of why he did not say we are

what you should be asking yourself now is why so many people are saying he did anyway, and why they want you to say the same. who stands to gain from this? as always, we already know the answer

Nah, we're done with this. Stop being a tard.

[Suppressed Poet]

this is another way to let ourselves the hook easy - no one managed to contain COVID yet, so it's impossible and we might as well give up entirely

no one ever managed to contain smallpox, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
no one ever managed to contain Hitler, until America decided to lead the way, and then we did
in doing so, in both cases, we had to savagely curtail freedoms

we did it anyway

and no one, not one person, anywhere in the entire world, would argue that rationing price controls etc. were bad trades... because we were fighting literally Hitler!

so let's look at what specifically i'm aiming to force upon people:
-an 11% increase in vaccines they're required to take
-a 5% increase in clothes they're required to wear in public

...that's it? i've got the deadliest pandemic in US history at the highest daily death levels in a year, a conflict that in one year killed as many Americans as all of World War II, you've got "nine vaccines is freedom, ten vaccines is tyranny"? plenty of other people are gonna say the same thing as you, a lot more than are saying what i'm saying, and that makes you feel better

should it?

.

you ask what i'm going to do, and it is what's in my immediate control - saying the truth. not just knowing it, we all know the truth, this is a very easy problem to solve, but until we say it, we won't do it

and the cost of that is another million dead Americans

Cloth and surgical masks offer, in my opinion looking at what data we have available, very limited protection from spreading infection.

Some people have decided they don’t want the vaccine and they have their reasons. Whether you deem those reasons to be sound or not doesn’t really matter to those individuals.

I disagree with you that the cost of liberty is worth the benefits to public safety. We’ll just have to respectfully disagree with each other on that one. The unvaccinated are not evil Jews that you can round up into a concentration camp & force upon them sterilization in the interest of keeping the blood of the master race pure…they are your fellow Americans.

Why can’t you just take whatever precautions to yourself you deem are necessary and let people make their own health decisions? The vaccine has done a terrible job at preventing the spread of the virus, but it does seem to help greatly in reducing hospitalization rate and chance for death. Part of living in a free society means letting others make their own life decisions even if they are wrong. I’d rather accept that more deaths will happen than force people into a health decision they don’t want to make. And even if you could mandate it, people are going to resist you. We’re seeing that happen globally.

I may disagree with you L, but I always liked you... Don’t let your mind remain fixed in that dark place. I was there myself in the summer of 2020 watching the political unrest and crime spikes. We’re going to get through this and humanity will survive.

[Latrinsorm]

You should just follow the science.

Science has proven that lockdowns do not work.
Science has proven that masks are ineffective.
Science has proven that the current vaccines do not stop the spread.
Science has proven that the current vaccines do not stop you from getting covid.

Why are you so anti-science, Mr. Flat Earther?

let's start with vaccines

you know that vaccines did not stop an individual from getting smallpox when exposed to it
you know, indeed, that vaccines did not even stop an individual from *dying* from smallpox when exposed
you know, finally, that vaccines nevertheless stopped *everyone* from getting smallpox

you know these things

you know beyond a shadow of a doubt the covid vaccine has the same outcome as the smallpox vaccine; viz,
1. when neither reaches sufficient levels, the disease spreads and the vaccinated die, albeit at a lower rate
2. when either reaches sufficient levels, the disease doesn't spread and nobody dies

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so why can't you say any of them?

what do you think will happen to you?

as gelston is fond of pointing out, it's a bulletin board for a forty year old text mud. who cares? nobody cares

just say the truth. i promise you'll feel better

[Latrinsorm]

Cloth and surgical masks offer, in my opinion looking at what data we have available, very limited protection from spreading infection.

Some people have decided they don’t want the vaccine and they have their reasons. Whether you deem those reasons to be sound or not doesn’t really matter to those individuals.

I disagree with you that the cost of liberty is worth the benefits to public safety. We’ll just have to respectfully disagree with each other on that one. The unvaccinated are not evil Jews that you can round up into a concentration camp & force upon them sterilization in the interest of keeping the blood of the master race pure…they are your fellow Americans.

Why can’t you just take whatever precautions to yourself you deem are necessary and let people make their own health decisions? The vaccine has done a terrible job at preventing the spread of the virus, but it does seem to help greatly in reducing hospitalization rate and chance for death. Part of living in a free society means letting others make their own life decisions even if they are wrong. I’d rather accept that more deaths will happen than force people into a health decision they don’t want to make. And even if you could mandate it, people are going to resist you. We’re seeing that happen globally.

I may disagree with you L, but I always liked you... Don’t let your mind remain fixed in that dark place. I was there myself in the summer of 2020 watching the political unrest and crime spikes. We’re going to get through this and humanity will survive.

i'm not disagreeing with you on the relative value of the cost of liberty, i'm disagreeing that there's a cost of liberty at all

since before the birth of our great nation people have shouted "liberty!" to excuse all manner of behavior, and it has very frequently been malarkey, and we have very frequently treated it as such - we don't let people get out of paying taxes because they have a wildly distorted understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment, we don't let people murder because they say their religion said to and something something First Amendment something

liberty in short is not like bankruptcy, you can't simply say the word liberty and expect anything to happen

you ask why i can't let people make their own health decisions, and the answer is because i already didn't - none of us did! the United States has forced people to get vaccinated before it was technically even a United States, and when people whined about it we made them do it anyway...

...and you never once cared!
you never ONCE told people forcing polio vaccinations to lighten up
you never ONCE told people forcing measles vaccinations about living in a free society

so what are you really defending here?

you know the answer, and i know the answer, but only you can face it for yourself

[Suppressed Poet]

i'm not disagreeing with you on the relative value of the cost of liberty, i'm disagreeing that there's a cost of liberty at all

since before the birth of our great nation people have shouted "liberty!" to excuse all manner of behavior, and it has very frequently been malarkey, and we have very frequently treated it as such - we don't let people get out of paying taxes because they have a wildly distorted understanding of the Fourteenth Amendment, we don't let people murder because they say their religion said to and something something First Amendment something

liberty in short is not like bankruptcy, you can't simply say the word liberty and expect anything to happen

you ask why i can't let people make their own health decisions, and the answer is because i already didn't - none of us did! the United States has forced people to get vaccinated before it was technically even a United States, and when people whined about it we made them do it anyway...

...and you never once cared!
you never ONCE told people forcing polio vaccinations to lighten up
you never ONCE told people forcing measles vaccinations about living in a free society

so what are you really defending here?

you know the answer, and i know the answer, but only you can face it for yourself

Polio and measles vaccines were required to attend public schools, which are government institutions. There is an option for people to choose private education, home schooling, etc. if they don’t like it. Also those vaccines are much more effective, but that’s not really relevant for this point. It’s not quite the same thing for government to require vaccine mandates upon employees of private businesses. I think the Supreme Court came to the right decision.

Do you think places like New Zealand has handled it better with their 0 tolerance policies? You don’t think those people have suffered a cost to their liberty?

[Suppressed Poet]

L, you need a good hobby to distract you from the current state of the world.

In 2020 when I was in a really dark place, I bought a shitload more guns and ammo. I went to the range at least two times a week, took some survival & self defense classes. I turned a walk-in pantry into a supply station full of MREs, medical supplies, survival gear, toilet paper, etc. I even bought some land in the middle of Nowhere, Texas for my retreat destination when the communist zombie paratroopers arrive. Go do something like that…it helps. Or play Gemstone.

[Parkbandit]

let's start with vaccines

you know that vaccines did not stop an individual from getting smallpox when exposed to it
you know, indeed, that vaccines did not even stop an individual from *dying* from smallpox when exposed
you know, finally, that vaccines nevertheless stopped *everyone* from getting smallpox

you know these things

you know beyond a shadow of a doubt the covid vaccine has the same outcome as the smallpox vaccine; viz,
1. when neither reaches sufficient levels, the disease spreads and the vaccinated die, albeit at a lower rate
2. when either reaches sufficient levels, the disease doesn't spread and nobody dies

.

so why can't you say any of them?

what do you think will happen to you?

as gelston is fond of pointing out, it's a bulletin board for a forty year old text mud. who cares? nobody cares

just say the truth. i promise you'll feel better

So, a "vaccine (new definition since Covid19)" that doesn't stop you from getting the virus and doesn't stop you from spreading the virus... if only every single person on the planet had it... it would magically stop?

Like I said... why do you hate Science so much? I always knew you were incredibly socially awkward and pantophobic... but I always thought you were at least able to rationalize science (even though you are religious) and wouldn't just go full blown "ZOMGVIRUSZOMBIES!" like this.

[Latrinsorm]

Polio and measles vaccines were required to attend public schools, which are government institutions. There is an option for people to choose private education, home schooling, etc. if they don’t like it. Also those vaccines are much more effective, but that’s not really relevant for this point. It’s not quite the same thing for government to require vaccine mandates upon employees of private businesses. I think the Supreme Court came to the right decision.

Do you think places like New Zealand has handled it better with their 0 tolerance policies? You don’t think those people have suffered a cost to their liberty?

this is another deflection

you say "why can't you let people make their own health decisions?" because it feels good, it feels magnanimous and broadminded... but no matter how you dress it up, when you look at the fine print we never have in this country. to wit, the Supreme Court in fact came to two decisions regarding the government's ability to require vaccine mandates for employees of private businesses - one said they couldn't, but one said they could. they didn't forget about the cost of liberty or the right to make health decisions or federalism or separation of powers in between, the reason for the ostensibly contradictory decisions is again in the fine print; specifically, in the present scenario 29 USC 655(c)(1) doesn't give OSHA that authority and 42 USC 1395x(e)(9) among others does give it to HHS. the HHS ruling wasn't a classified secret i uncovered with Tom Cruise and a decoder ring, it was right there in all the papers, so why do you refer to "the" ruling? why even in your own mind can you only think about the OSHA one?

why else? because what you're defending is YOUR right to not be uncomfortable - it's uncomfortable to make people do things, and it should be! but sometimes we have to find the courage to do the right thing anyway, and the right thing is as much the right thing when it's just Jenny McCarthy complaining about it as when it's a hundred million Americans complaining about it

.

O.K., you ask about New Zealand, and if we had had New Zealand's success we'd have seen 3,500 deaths total the entire pandemic. since i explicitly detailed a plan that does not rise to their level, you tell me what specific liberty they lost that we shouldn't trade for 900,000 American lives

[Latrinsorm]

So, a "vaccine (new definition since Covid19)" that doesn't stop you from getting the virus and doesn't stop you from spreading the virus... if only every single person on the planet had it... it would magically stop?

Like I said... why do you hate Science so much? I always knew you were incredibly socially awkward and pantophobic... but I always thought you were at least able to rationalize science (even though you are religious) and wouldn't just go full blown "ZOMGVIRUSZOMBIES!" like this.

*scientifically* stop, but you're getting the idea yeah

not sure how zombies got into it, or my religion, but i recognize you're desperate so we can move on

[Parkbandit]

*scientifically* stop, but you're getting the idea yeah

not sure how zombies got into it, or my religion, but i recognize you're desperate so we can move on

Science states that:

1) None of the vaccines stop you from contracting the virus.
2) None of the vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus.
3) None of the vaccines kill the virus.

Exactly how will this vaccine "*scientifically* stop" the virus? Is it your magical masks that will stop the virus? The lockdowns? The new generation of socially awkward children that can't go to school?

Stay under your bed, cupcake.

We'll keep on living our lives.

[Suppressed Poet]

this is another deflection

you say "why can't you let people make their own health decisions?" because it feels good, it feels magnanimous and broadminded... but no matter how you dress it up, when you look at the fine print we never have in this country. to wit, the Supreme Court in fact came to two decisions regarding the government's ability to require vaccine mandates for employees of private businesses - one said they couldn't, but one said they could. they didn't forget about the cost of liberty or the right to make health decisions or federalism or separation of powers in between, the reason for the ostensibly contradictory decisions is again in the fine print; specifically, in the present scenario 29 USC 655(c)(1) doesn't give OSHA that authority and 42 USC 1395x(e)(9) among others does give it to HHS. the HHS ruling wasn't a classified secret i uncovered with Tom Cruise and a decoder ring, it was right there in all the papers, so why do you refer to "the" ruling? why even in your own mind can you only think about the OSHA one?

why else? because what you're defending is YOUR right to not be uncomfortable - it's uncomfortable to make people do things, and it should be! but sometimes we have to find the courage to do the right thing anyway, and the right thing is as much the right thing when it's just Jenny McCarthy complaining about it as when it's a hundred million Americans complaining about it

.

O.K., you ask about New Zealand, and if we had had New Zealand's success we'd have seen 3,500 deaths total the entire pandemic. since i explicitly detailed a plan that does not rise to their level, you tell me what specific liberty they lost that we shouldn't trade for 900,000 American lives

If it makes any difference to you I’ve received the vaccine and the booster. I came to that decision for my own independent reasons…the booster because I’m booked on a 7 day cruise for family vacation in March during spring break. I’m staunchly opposed to government vaccine mandates and coercion. It’s not because of a feel good measure…it’s because the government doesn’t get to make that decision for me or anyone else. Government is not our friend nor overlord. It’s a necessity. You can try to morally justify it all you want, but it’s wrong. How many times have we seen throughout history government take these kind of measures in the name of science or public health & safety and it have terrible outcomes? The Nazis sterilization of Jews in the name of science, or Mao’s environmental policies of killing sparrows are just a couple examples. And so you know that I try to be consistent on this subject, while I’m very much religiously and morally opposed to abortion, politically I’m conflicted as I recognize the complexity of the issue as it relates to women’s body autonomy and such.

I’m not as well read on the SC decision as you are. What I do know / remember is that they determined OSHA can not mandate to private businesses that their employees must be vaccinated (outside of healthcare workers and I think some federal agencies). Placing domestic travel bans on the unvaccinated would not be cool either. I don’t surrender that type of authority to our government.

On New Zealand…. they frequently lock down areas where nobody can leave their residence. They dictate what businesses can and cannot operate. Their own citizens that were outside of the country haven’t been able to return and reunite with their families. They have forced the unvaccinated into health camps to get the vaccine. We’re a much larger country in area and much more populated, so I question your estimate of how many lives we would save if we adopted those kind of measures. You can’t make a 1 to 1 comparison there. In addition, trying any of that here would cause civil unrest like the world has never seen…perhaps even a full scale revolution / civil war. I value highly and grieve for every person we have lost to Covid, but no it would not be worth that cost. I (and a great many other Americans) would absolutely reject such measures. I’m glad it has not come to that. I want to live in peace, but I will fight for freedom from tyranny if it’s necessary.

Thing is though L…everything is going to be ok. We’re near the end of this pandemic. I suspect you are afraid of that end for some reason and/or having difficulty readjusting. It’s going to be ok. I hope you have a strong support system of family and friends to help you. It’s been difficult times for all of us, but have a little optimism.

[Latrinsorm]

Science states that:

1) None of the vaccines stop you from contracting the virus.
2) None of the vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus.
3) None of the vaccines kill the virus.

Exactly how will this vaccine "*scientifically* stop" the virus? Is it your magical masks that will stop the virus? The lockdowns? The new generation of socially awkward children that can't go to school?

Stay under your bed, cupcake. because a vaccine does not have to stop me individually from contracting the virus to stop the virus for a population, which is handy because a vaccine has never stopped an individual from contracting a virus without stopping the virus for a population

as you know, this is exactly what happened with smallpox


We'll keep on living our lives.

not a whole h*ck of a lot of you, unfortunately

[Gelston]

here comes this dumb shit again

[Neveragain]

not a whole h*ck of a lot of you, unfortunately

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[Gelston]

because a vaccine does not have to stop me individually from contracting the virus to stop the virus for a population, which is handy because a vaccine has never stopped an individual from contracting a virus without stopping the virus for a population

as you know, this is exactly what happened with smallpox



not a whole h*ck of a lot of you, unfortunately

The vast majority of people, yes.

Haver you not been outside? Do you think people are dropping dead left and right in the streets? This isn't the black death.

[Xcalibur1]

here comes this dumb shit again

stfu

[Gelston]

stfu

It is like you knew I was talking about you.

[Xcalibur1]

It is like you knew I was talking about you.

I know I'm always in your thoughts bro. Yin and yang

[Latrinsorm]

If it makes any difference to you I’ve received the vaccine and the booster. I came to that decision for my own independent reasons…the booster because I’m booked on a 7 day cruise for family vacation in March during spring break. I’m staunchly opposed to government vaccine mandates and coercion. not because of a feel good measure…it’s because the government doesn’t get to make that decision for me or anyone else.

i gotta stop you here because the Supreme Court has already ruled the government CAN get to make that decision for you, they've ruled that way over and over, for a hundred years, including most recently that the executive branch of the federal government can do that

this is the "feel good" part, the part where you believe you're standing up for freedom, and who wouldn't want to do that? but it's a fantasy, a fight for a phantom that we do not now have and have not ever had

to wit - not only can the government already forcibly lock down areas and prevent you from leaving your residence, they can detain you somewhere else and destroy any of your possessions they deem fit - 42 USC 264. the passage of this law did not cause civil unrest, civil war, rejection, fight of any kind. it's been around your whole life and you never once cared. it was utilized in the fight against SARS-CoV-1 and you never once cared

the government never did any of that to you - this does not necessarily mean you were protected by a right or rights, and in this case does not actually mean that either. it means you had the privilege to be oblivious to reality, a privilege that is currently being exploited, but until you can recognize reality it's impossible for you to get out of that

the pandemic is deadlier right now than it has been in a year, thousands of Americans die every day; you want me to be optimistic? show me a reason to be

[Latrinsorm]

The vast majority of people, yes.

Haver you not been outside? Do you think people are dropping dead left and right in the streets? This isn't the black death.

i am not aware of any national report on death locations, but i would be surprised if a very high % of the million Americans who have died of COVID did so in the streets at all, let alone dropping

it has been deeply disquieting to see how we have gone from
"it's not as bad as the average flu"
"it's not as bad as a bad flu"
"it's not as bad as the worst flu"
all the way to
"it's not as bad as the black death"

...great? what kind of bozos would we have to be to wait around until it got THAT bad? the kind of bozos who would wait around until it got this bad, i suppose, so that tracks

[Gelston]

i gotta stop you here because the Supreme Court has already ruled the government CAN get to make that decision for you, they've ruled that way over and over, for a hundred years, including most recently that the executive branch of the federal government can do that

this is the "feel good" part, the part where you believe you're standing up for freedom, and who wouldn't want to do that? but it's a fantasy, a fight for a phantom that we do not now have and have not ever had

to wit - not only can the government already forcibly lock down areas and prevent you from leaving your residence, they can detain you somewhere else and destroy any of your possessions they deem fit - 42 USC 264. the passage of this law did not cause civil unrest, civil war, rejection, fight of any kind. it's been around your whole life and you never once cared. it was utilized in the fight against SARS-CoV-1 and you never once cared

the government never did any of that to you - this does not necessarily mean you were protected by a right or rights, and in this case does not actually mean that either. it means you had the privilege to be oblivious to reality, a privilege that is currently being exploited, but until you can recognize reality it's impossible for you to get out of that

the pandemic is deadlier right now than it has been in a year, thousands of Americans die every day; you want me to be optimistic? show me a reason to be

You have to be infected with a disease for that to apply, and it has the same requirements as any other detention. It also ONLY applies to people attempting to enter the US or moving between states. If I never plan to leave Louisiana, nothing in that law applies to me.

[Gelston]

i am not aware of any national report on death locations, but i would be surprised if a very high % of the million Americans who have died of COVID did so in the streets at all, let alone dropping

it has been deeply disquieting to see how we have gone from
"it's not as bad as the average flu"
"it's not as bad as a bad flu"
"it's not as bad as the worst flu"
all the way to
"it's not as bad as the black death"

...great? what kind of bozos would we have to be to wait around until it got THAT bad? the kind of bozos who would wait around until it got this bad, i suppose, so that tracks

Um no. I'm saying you seem to think it is the black death. It isn't even close. I still maintain it isn't much at all.

[Arqueto]

i gotta stop you here because the Supreme Court has already ruled the government CAN get to make that decision for you, they've ruled that way over and over, for a hundred years, including most recently that the executive branch of the federal government can do that

this is the "feel good" part, the part where you believe you're standing up for freedom, and who wouldn't want to do that? but it's a fantasy, a fight for a phantom that we do not now have and have not ever had

to wit - not only can the government already forcibly lock down areas and prevent you from leaving your residence, they can detain you somewhere else and destroy any of your possessions they deem fit - 42 USC 264. the passage of this law did not cause civil unrest, civil war, rejection, fight of any kind. it's been around your whole life and you never once cared. it was utilized in the fight against SARS-CoV-1 and you never once cared

the government never did any of that to you - this does not necessarily mean you were protected by a right or rights, and in this case does not actually mean that either. it means you had the privilege to be oblivious to reality, a privilege that is currently being exploited, but until you can recognize reality it's impossible for you to get out of that

the pandemic is deadlier right now than it has been in a year, thousands of Americans die every day; you want me to be optimistic? show me a reason to be

Go crawl back under your bed and shut the fuck up. Jesus.

[Xcalibur1]

Go crawl back under your bed and shut the fuck up. Jesus.

leave my bro latinstorm alone you fuck

[Suppressed Poet]

i gotta stop you here because the Supreme Court has already ruled the government CAN get to make that decision for you, they've ruled that way over and over, for a hundred years, including most recently that the executive branch of the federal government can do that

this is the "feel good" part, the part where you believe you're standing up for freedom, and who wouldn't want to do that? but it's a fantasy, a fight for a phantom that we do not now have and have not ever had

to wit - not only can the government already forcibly lock down areas and prevent you from leaving your residence, they can detain you somewhere else and destroy any of your possessions they deem fit - 42 USC 264. the passage of this law did not cause civil unrest, civil war, rejection, fight of any kind. it's been around your whole life and you never once cared. it was utilized in the fight against SARS-CoV-1 and you never once cared

the government never did any of that to you - this does not necessarily mean you were protected by a right or rights, and in this case does not actually mean that either. it means you had the privilege to be oblivious to reality, a privilege that is currently being exploited, but until you can recognize reality it's impossible for you to get out of that

the pandemic is deadlier right now than it has been in a year, thousands of Americans die every day; you want me to be optimistic? show me a reason to be

I just looked up 42 USC 264 and it seems to only be applicable when entering into the US or traveling between states. So as long as I stay in Texas the CDC can suck on DEEZ NUTS.

Even my leftist employer has just recently removed the requirement to wear masks and end social distancing policies. Get with the program L. There is a whole world out there waiting for you…

[Parkbandit]

because a vaccine does not have to stop me individually from contracting the virus to stop the virus for a population, which is handy because a vaccine has never stopped an individual from contracting a virus without stopping the virus for a population

as you know, this is exactly what happened with smallpox

Smallpox isn't the same as covid. Like at all.


not a whole h*ck of a lot of you, unfortunately

Honestly.. if I were you, I would be deathly scared of covid19 too.

*Underlying health issues
*Auto immune issues
*Act like an elderly lady

You are the poster child of High Risk.

Stay inside, Harriet... we will have someone bring you some sterilized chicken noodle soup later.

[Parkbandit]

Get with the program L. There is a whole world out there waiting for you…

He was frightened of the whole world well before Covid-19 was released from the Wuhan lab.

[time4fun]

I just looked up 42 USC 264 and it seems to only be applicable when entering into the US or traveling between states. So as long as I stay in Texas the CDC can suck on DEEZ NUTS.

Even my leftist employer has just recently removed the requirement to wear masks and end social distancing policies. Get with the program L. There is a whole world out there waiting for you…

That's not entirely true- it also allows for enforced quarantine when someone risks infecting someone else who may travel across state lines. So there's more leeway there than you're suggesting. But conceptually you're more or less right. 42 USC 264 is based on the Commerce Clause. There's a reason why we didn't have national isolation and quarantine rules- something that utterly baffled the rest of the world.

But Latrin's point is that the Federal government does still have quite a bit of authority in many situations, and that they've been exercising that authority for a very long time with no public outcry. At one point in time we could all agree that the government's job is to keep us safe during pandemics.

Then a genuinely mentally ill President decided that this global pandemic that was dragging the entire world down was actually some secret plot against him. And for some absolutely insane reason that defies all logic, a large group of people agreed with him and decided (apparently) that there was a global conspiracy involving literally every country, every major medical organization, and every health administration in the entire world to make Trump look bad by faking the deaths of millions of people, shutting down their economies, and decimating their own medical infrastructure.

Because they apparently live in a cartoon.

[Suppressed Poet]

Hey Latrinsorm! There is a vaccine now and booster shots available. We made it! Everyone is going back to their normal lives. Come on bro, let’s go to the movie theater.

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L: Everyone is dying! I’m afraid!! We all must quarantine!!! ZOMFG omicron & murder hornets!!!!

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[Parkbandit]

That's not entirely true- it also allows for enforced quarantine when someone risks infecting someone else who may travel across state lines. So there's more leeway there than you're suggesting. But conceptually you're more or less right. 42 USC 264 is based on the Commerce Clause. There's a reason why we didn't have national isolation and quarantine rules- something that utterly baffled the rest of the world.

But Latrin's point is that the Federal government does still have quite a bit of authority in many situations, and that they've been exercising that authority for a very long time with no public outcry. At one point in time we could all agree that the government's job is to keep us safe during pandemics.

Then a genuinely mentally ill President decided that this global pandemic that was dragging the entire world down was actually some secret plot against him. And for some absolutely insane reason that defies all logic, a large group of people agreed with him and decided (apparently) that there was a global conspiracy involving literally every country, every major medical organization, and every health administration in the entire world to make Trump look bad by faking the deaths of millions of people, shutting down their economies, and decimating their own medical infrastructure.

Because they apparently live in a cartoon.

Please keep your crazy political posts in the political thread. I don't want to have to hunt gems like this down for a good morning laugh.

Thank you.

[Methais]

Omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

Omicron is the third leading cause of death in America for vaccinated Americans.

There have been many, very many, like a lot a lot, of reports that omicron is fine and less deadly actually because cases don't matter and also they're down so actually that part matters and is good but also also don't look at anything else, something something endemic something we have to learn to live with it.

And omicron is the leading cause of death in America.

And omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

.

Aren't you tired?

Aren't you tired of the smug people asking who you're going to believe, them or your lying eyes?
You can see that the deaths blew past the delta peak already, and are only getting higher.
Who are they trying to kid?

How many times do we have to pretend that yes, we can do nothing and everything will be fine, only for it to immediately and horrifically blow up in our faces?

.

I have been puzzled recently to see our comrades on this site get "up" in arms at the suggestion that I am trying to dispense wisdom.

From the very beginning, I have offered you neither wisdom nor power, but appealed to your courage.

We all know what we have to do.
We all have the power to do it.

So far, we have not chosen to do so, because we were afraid.
We were afraid it would hurt - it will!
We were afraid it would be hard - it will be!
We were afraid most of all they would laugh at us - they will, Barbara!

I seek only to remind us; not of the facts.
We're seeing the deadliest pandemic in American history reach yet another peak.
It would therefore take the stupidest idiot in American history to think "no yeah this is fine actually."

Remind.
We are all born with courage.
We are all born able to see a hard task and rise to meet it.
Because it's just the right thing to do.
Because we ought to.

.

Omicron is the third leading cause of death for vaccinated Americans.

We all know this and no one will say it.

Aren't we tired of that cowardice?

Shut up retard.

[Methais]

I’ve had Covid. I’m vaccinated. If you’re vaccinated you’re good. Go live, we’ll all get it eventually.

If you’re unvaccinated… you’re gambling. Could end up intubated… could not.

Fact is, you’re better off vaccinated. Math is math. Form the state of WA:

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

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Omicron is the 3rd leading cause of death among vaccinated people according to Latrin.

Sounds like it's not very effective.

Confirmed Latrin is racist against vaccines.

[Methais]

because a vaccine does not have to stop me individually from contracting the virus to stop the virus for a population, which is handy because a vaccine has never stopped an individual from contracting a virus without stopping the virus for a population

as you know, this is exactly what happened with smallpox



not a whole h*ck of a lot of you, unfortunately

Why are you censoring the word "heck" though? Did your mommy who taught you how to buy cold cuts in your 30s tell you that that was a bad word?



Haver you not been outside? Do you think people are dropping dead left and right in the streets? This isn't the black death.

That's exactly what he thinks. Primarily because he hasn't been outside since his mommy taught him how to buy cold cuts at the grocery store all by himself, and who knows how long it's been before that.

[Methais]

There is a whole world out there waiting for you…

That's exactly what Latrin is terrified of, which is why he wants permanent lockdowns.

[Methais]

That's not entirely true- it also allows for enforced quarantine when someone risks infecting someone else who may travel across state lines. So there's more leeway there than you're suggesting. But conceptually you're more or less right. 42 USC 264 is based on the Commerce Clause. There's a reason why we didn't have national isolation and quarantine rules- something that utterly baffled the rest of the world.

But Latrin's point is that the Federal government does still have quite a bit of authority in many situations, and that they've been exercising that authority for a very long time with no public outcry. At one point in time we could all agree that the government's job is to keep us safe during pandemics.

Then a genuinely mentally ill President decided that this global pandemic that was dragging the entire world down was actually some secret plot against him. And for some absolutely insane reason that defies all logic, a large group of people agreed with him and decided (apparently) that there was a global conspiracy involving literally every country, every major medical organization, and every health administration in the entire world to make Trump look bad by faking the deaths of millions of people, shutting down their economies, and decimating their own medical infrastructure.

Because they apparently live in a cartoon.

Translation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CstzMv-RuLQ

[Latrinsorm]

You have to be infected with a disease for that to apply, and it has the same requirements as any other detention. It also ONLY applies to people attempting to enter the US or moving between states. If I never plan to leave Louisiana, nothing in that law applies to me.


I just looked up 42 USC 264 and it seems to only be applicable when entering into the US or traveling between states. So as long as I stay in Texas the CDC can suck on DEEZ NUTS.

Even my leftist employer has just recently removed the requirement to wear masks and end social distancing policies. Get with the program L. There is a whole world out there waiting for you…

"Except as provided in subsection (d)"

And you wonder why it's so easy for people to pull the wool over your eyes, sheesh. All you had to do was read two more paragraphs, and not even big ones! I guess the fantasy world is just too comfortable for you fellows, and it's hard to blame you. I've said this before but I genuinely hope enough other people wake up soon enough to let you keep living there indefinitely.

[Gelston]

"Except as provided in subsection (d)"

And you wonder why it's so easy for people to pull the wool over your eyes, sheesh. All you had to do was read two more paragraphs, and not even big ones! I guess the fantasy world is just too comfortable for you fellows, and it's hard to blame you. I've said this before but I genuinely hope enough other people wake up soon enough to let you keep living there indefinitely.

Subsection d is exactly where it says it requires you to be moving from state to state. All you had to do was COMPREHEND two more paragraphs.

Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State. Such regulations may provide that if upon examination any such individual is found to be infected, he may be detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary. For purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes, in addition to the several States, only the District of Columbia.

Notice, it says AND, not or. That means both are required. You have to be infected AND also travelling from one state to another.

It falls under the Federal Government's Constitutionally given right to regulate interstate commerce. IF you understood the authority behind this code, you'd understand what it is allowed to do. You apparently didn't bother to look at where it gets its teeth though.

[Suppressed Poet]

"Except as provided in subsection (d)"

And you wonder why it's so easy for people to pull the wool over your eyes, sheesh. All you had to do was read two more paragraphs, and not even big ones! I guess the fantasy world is just too comfortable for you fellows, and it's hard to blame you. I've said this before but I genuinely hope enough other people wake up soon enough to let you keep living there indefinitely.

I got their “subsection D” right here:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/ThoseValuableEmperorshrimp-max-1mb.gif

If the CDC ever tries mass lockdowns & martial law, the streets would run red with blood. Don’t forget our great country was founded by folks that dumped tea into the harbor and shot red coats in the face for imposing tyrannical taxation without representation.

But the good news is none of that is going to happen. Just go outside, live life, and be happy.

[Suppressed Poet]

Subsection d is exactly where it says it requires you to be moving from state to state. All you had to do was COMPREHEND two more paragraphs.

Regulations prescribed under this section may provide for the apprehension and examination of any individual reasonably believed to be infected with a communicable disease in a qualifying stage and (A) to be moving or about to move from a State to another State; or (B) to be a probable source of infection to individuals who, while infected with such disease in a qualifying stage, will be moving from a State to another State. Such regulations may provide that if upon examination any such individual is found to be infected, he may be detained for such time and in such manner as may be reasonably necessary. For purposes of this subsection, the term “State” includes, in addition to the several States, only the District of Columbia.

Notice, it says AND, not or. That means both are required. You have to be infected AND also travelling from one state to another.

It falls under the Federal Government's Constitutionally given right to regulate interstate commerce. IF you understood the authority behind this code, you'd understand what it is allowed to do. You apparently didn't bother to look at where it gets its teeth though.

I’m not a lawyer, but good point. That’s how I would interpret that as well.

[Suppressed Poet]

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-emerges-from-home-to-face-eerie-dystopia-of-people-living-normal-lives/

Liberal Emerges From Home To Face Eerie Dystopia Of People Living Normal Lives

CLAREMONT, CA—Sources have confirmed that local assistant professor of Applied Gender Entanglement Studies, Spenther Dillstump, unsealed his front door for the first time in two years then, clutching his emotional support Fauci Doll and whispering a prayer of righteous safetyism to Dr. Rachel Walensky, emerged from his home to face the eerie dystopia of people living normal lives.
“Eeek! What’s that horrific monstrosity! We’re all gonna die!” yelled Dillstump according to witnesses who reported him pointing at the unmasked smiles of an older couple walking past. The quadruple-masked adventurer was also seen trying to ward off the couple with a printout of outdated CDC guidelines while shouting long-disproven facts about natural immunity.
Numerous eyewitness accounts describe Mr. Dillstump as frantically scurrying behind trees and dumpsters whenever humans passed by in their threatening states of happiness and normalcy.
Onlookers later described police arriving at the city park in search of terrorist groups acting violently, as described by an anonymous 911 caller. All they saw were a few families enjoying the fresh air, children laughing and playing, and a crazed man behind some bushes gargling hand sanitizer. Underfunded and overworked, the officers were unable to question the individual—identified by onlookers as Dillstump—as dispatch sent them away to the 39th carjacking that day.
Exhausted and overwrought, Spenther Dillstump eventually snuck back to the eternal safety of his home, having never found a store that sold hazmat suits and still mandated masks, vaccines, social distancing, and BLM attire.

[Parkbandit]

Holy shit... we need to get this for Latrinesorm.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a67629f90bccef0ed82fe72/1596045131896-JK4TAOJ5I32AJK2OV58G/Dr.%2BFauci%2Bcopy.jpg

HE'S A SUPERHERO LATRINESORM! HE'S LIKE A GOD!

[Methais]

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-emerges-from-home-to-face-eerie-dystopia-of-people-living-normal-lives/

Liberal Emerges From Home To Face Eerie Dystopia Of People Living Normal Lives

CLAREMONT, CA—Sources have confirmed that local assistant professor of Applied Gender Entanglement Studies, Spenther Dillstump, unsealed his front door for the first time in two years then, clutching his emotional support Fauci Doll and whispering a prayer of righteous safetyism to Dr. Rachel Walensky, emerged from his home to face the eerie dystopia of people living normal lives.
“Eeek! What’s that horrific monstrosity! We’re all gonna die!” yelled Dillstump according to witnesses who reported him pointing at the unmasked smiles of an older couple walking past. The quadruple-masked adventurer was also seen trying to ward off the couple with a printout of outdated CDC guidelines while shouting long-disproven facts about natural immunity.
Numerous eyewitness accounts describe Mr. Dillstump as frantically scurrying behind trees and dumpsters whenever humans passed by in their threatening states of happiness and normalcy.
Onlookers later described police arriving at the city park in search of terrorist groups acting violently, as described by an anonymous 911 caller. All they saw were a few families enjoying the fresh air, children laughing and playing, and a crazed man behind some bushes gargling hand sanitizer. Underfunded and overworked, the officers were unable to question the individual—identified by onlookers as Dillstump—as dispatch sent them away to the 39th carjacking that day.
Exhausted and overwrought, Spenther Dillstump eventually snuck back to the eternal safety of his home, having never found a store that sold hazmat suits and still mandated masks, vaccines, social distancing, and BLM attire.

This is the most Latrin thing I've ever read. :lol:


Holy shit... we need to get this for Latrinesorm.

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a67629f90bccef0ed82fe72/1596045131896-JK4TAOJ5I32AJK2OV58G/Dr.%2BFauci%2Bcopy.jpg

HE'S A SUPERHERO LATRINESORM! HE'S LIKE A GOD!

100% chance his mommy already gave him one so he won't be as scared at night so she can sleep in her bed by herself for a change.


Hey Latrin, serious question...why the fuck do you think and/or expect anyone here is going to take anything you say seriously?

Latrinsorm Dillstump.