Biden vaccine mandate blocked!

[drumpel]

Fuck yeah!

At least it's blocked for the private sector. Those in healthcare under Medicaid and Medicare are still being forced to follow the mandate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-covid-19/index.html

[Gelston]

Fuck yeah!

At least it's blocked for the private sector. Those in healthcare under Medicaid and Medicare are still being forced to follow the mandate.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/13/politics/supreme-court-vaccine-mandate-covid-19/index.html

The Healthcare mandate isn't even necessary, they are firing g people without vaccines willingly here.

[drumpel]

The Healthcare mandate isn't even necessary, they are firing g people without vaccines willingly here.

I've read some of those stories, it's fucking stupid.

My younger brother works with a company that goes through Medicaid for their clients, so the company he works for falls under the healthcare mandate. He said he's now waiting to see how the company intends to handle it, if at all. Right now he said he hasn't heard anything one way or the other from his work place.

He's hoping they say fuck it and don't abide by it. He's not against people not getting shots and he doesn't care if someone wants to get a shot, either. He just doesn't want stupid mandates designed to segregate people to create a false sense of FUD by making one group wear masks and require constant testing.

Sure, it may not be the same as racial segregation, but this whole mandate thing just makes me think of the past when you walked down the road and saw things like this:

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[Gelston]

Sure, it may not be the same as racial segregation, but this whole mandate thing just makes me think of the past when you walked down the road and saw things like this:

https://ggwash.org/images/posts/_resized/nocolored.jpg
https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2017/05/colored_only_sign_university_fb.jpg

..... It isn't even in the same galaxy.

[Parkbandit]

..... It isn't even in the same galaxy.

Both were pushed by Democrats though!

[Tgo01]

..... It isn't even in the same galaxy.

In some respects it's worse. Someone could be a model employee for decades then one day the government just decides you are no longer allowed to work because you refuse a medical procedures the government wants you to have.

[Alfster]

In some respects it's worse. Someone could be a model employee for decades then one day the government just decides you are no longer allowed to work because you refuse a medical procedures the government wants you to have.

I do believe this is the most ignorant thing I've read on these boards. That's quite impressive.

[Tgo01]

I do believe this is the most ignorant thing I've read on these boards. That's quite impressive.

You're right. People should totally be forced out of their jobs because the president has deemed them a danger to society, not because they are sick and contagious, or have physically attacked someone, but because they refuse to undergo a medical procedure.

Up next: You should be fired from your job if you refuse to get gastric bypass surgery if you're overweight. It's not fair that overweight and obese people keep clogging up the hospitals. Think of the lives we could save.

[Gelston]

In some respects it's worse. Someone could be a model employee for decades then one day the government just decides you are no longer allowed to work because you refuse a medical procedures the government wants you to have.

In no respect in anyway is it worse. If all an African-American had to do at the height of Jim Crow was to get a shot to be treated the same, they'd probably be at 100%.

Don't be dense.

[Neveragain]

You're right. People should totally be forced out of their jobs because the president has deemed them a danger to society, not because they are sick and contagious, or have physically attacked someone, but because they refuse to undergo a medical procedure.

Up next: You should be fired from your job if you refuse to get gastric bypass surgery if you're overweight. It's not fair that overweight and obese people keep clogging up the hospitals. Think of the lives we could save.

Don't give them any further ideas.

[Bhaalizmo]

The Healthcare mandate isn't even necessary, they are firing g people without vaccines willingly here.

I mean it kinda makes sense in some positions. You've gotta admit. Like for example: in home hospice care providers taking care of dying patients in 2021 - 2022. Who'd send an unvaccinated nurse into the home of a family where everyone has Covid and grandma is dying?

[Neveragain]

In no respect in anyway is it worse. If all an African-American had to do at the height of Jim Crow was to get a shot to be treated the same, they'd probably be at 100%.

Don't be dense.

Jews were considered to have a disease that was transmittable.

[dzulthu]

If my company's paying for employee healthcare out of pocket, I'd want my employees to choose a free shot over potentially tens of thousands of dollars of bills and missed time off.

[Gelston]

Jews were considered to have a disease that was transmittable.

Jews didn't have an option to not be Jews.

[Neveragain]

Jews didn't have an option to not be Jews.

Do those that have religious reasons to not get vaccinated have an option then?

[Neveragain]

Bhaalzinhismouth is bitter.

[Bhaalizmo]

Bhaalzinhismouth is bitter.

You mistake being intolerant of insufferable racist fuckwits like yourself for bitterness.

[Tgo01]

In no respect in anyway is it worse. If all an African-American had to do at the height of Jim Crow was to get a shot to be treated the same, they'd probably be at 100%.

Don't be dense.

If all they had to do was get a medical procedure against their will?

All they had to do was pay a poll tax to vote, what's the big deal?

[Tgo01]

Who'd send an unvaccinated nurse into the home of a family where everyone has Covid and grandma is dying?

As we well know by now, and have known for many months in fact, vaccinated people can get infected and pass the infection on.

You really need to stop spreading COVID misinformation, your uninformed opinions masquerading as facts are not helping anyone.

[Neveragain]

You mistake being intolerant of insufferable racist fuckwits like yourself for bitterness.

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[Bhaalizmo]

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[Neveragain]

Everyone is racist that doesn't agree with me!

We've known this since Obama was elected.

[Parkbandit]

In no respect in anyway is it worse. If all an African-American had to do at the height of Jim Crow was to get a shot to be treated the same, they'd probably be at 100%.

Don't be dense.

FACT: Jim Crow was the result of electing Democrats into office.

[Parkbandit]

I mean it kinda makes sense in some positions. You've gotta admit. Like for example: in home hospice care providers taking care of dying patients in 2021 - 2022. Who'd send an unvaccinated nurse into the home of a family where everyone has Covid and grandma is dying?

Who would send covid positive patients into nursing homes where the most vulnerable people to covid lived?

Answer: Democrats

[Shaps]

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-arizona-california-0113146dc7b8fd8a5b6a5624d8e0e30c

"Health officials let COVID-infected staff stay on the job"

"California health authorities announced over the weekend that hospital staff members who test positive but are symptom-free can continue working. Some hospitals in Rhode Island and Arizona have likewise told employees they can stay on the job if they have no symptoms or just mild ones."

But it's the unvaccinated that are the risk... it's fucking asinine.

Also - it's not about what a private business wants to do... it's about the Federal Government mandating what a private citizen or company should do that is the issue. Some people don't understand the distinction, and that is a sad thing. Thank goodness the Supreme Court shot the FEDERAL MANDATE down, but allowed individual companies to make their own decisions.

[Latrinsorm]

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-health-arizona-california-0113146dc7b8fd8a5b6a5624d8e0e30c

"Health officials let COVID-infected staff stay on the job"

"California health authorities announced over the weekend that hospital staff members who test positive but are symptom-free can continue working. Some hospitals in Rhode Island and Arizona have likewise told employees they can stay on the job if they have no symptoms or just mild ones."

But it's the unvaccinated that are the risk... it's fucking asinine.

Also - it's not about what a private business wants to do... it's about the Federal Government mandating what a private citizen or company should do that is the issue. Some people don't understand the distinction, and that is a sad thing. Thank goodness the Supreme Court shot the FEDERAL MANDATE down, but allowed individual companies to make their own decisions.

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

[drumpel]

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

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[Shaps]

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

That's right.. they said pass a LAW... and that's not happening, because the REPRESENTATIVES are supposed to support their CONSTIUENTS... not act as an authoritarian regime where "MANDATES" are decried.

The MANDATE is illegal... a LAW passed by the peoples REPRESENTATIVES (per the Constitution) is not.

Perhaps this isn't the first time you've been ignorant.

[drumpel]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/salt-lake-city-tribune-op-ed-calls-national-guard-keep-unvaccinated-people-locked-down

Damn, looks like stupid people are trying hard to push segregation out there. Feed enough ignorant people that can't think for themselves stupid shit and look what they want to do.

[Methais]

I mean it kinda makes sense in some positions. You've gotta admit. Like for example: in home hospice care providers taking care of dying patients in 2021 - 2022. Who'd send an unvaccinated nurse into the home of a family where everyone has Covid and grandma is dying?

Nurse that previously had covid and now has antibodies and is immune > vaccinated nurse who's never been infected. Not that anyone expects you to understand basic logic like this though.


You mistake being intolerant of insufferable racist fuckwits like yourself for bitterness.

You're a true internet hero and are making a difference.

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[Methais]

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

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[Flap]

Nurse that previously had covid and now has antibodies and is immune

Lol. You're truly dumber than dogshit if you believe this.

[Parkbandit]

Lol. You're truly dumber than dogshit if you believe this.

Yea, Methais! TEH ONLY WAY TO GET IMMUNE IS TO GET THE TRUMP VACCINE AND BOOSTER!

[Bhaalizmo]

Lol. You're truly dumber than dogshit if you believe this.

There's a great deal of evidence here on the GS PC to support this conclusion.

[Methais]

Lol. You're truly dumber than dogshit if you believe this.

Are you really trying to say that the Covid "vaccine" is more effective than natural antibodies? I mean everyone knows you're stupid as fuck, except Bhaalizmo, because he's even more stupid as fuck, but you really gotta draw the line somewhere if you want your "I'm a really really extra stupid cuck!" gimmick to work.

Sometimes less is more.


There's a great deal of evidence here on the GS PC to support the conclusion that I stay butthurt 24/7 and Methais makes me sooooooo mad.

This is correct.

[Gelston]

Are you really trying to say that the Covid "vaccine" is more effective than natural antibodies? I mean everyone knows you're stupid as fuck, except Bhaalizmo, because he's even more stupid as fuck, but you really gotta draw the line somewhere if you want your "I'm a really really extra stupid cuck!" gimmick to work.

Sometimes less is more.



This is correct.

Which would be retarded, since the entire point of a vaccine is to stimulate your immune system. The vaccine itself doesn't actually fight anything.

[Latrinsorm]

That's right.. they said pass a LAW... and that's not happening, because the REPRESENTATIVES are supposed to support their CONSTIUENTS... not act as an authoritarian regime where "MANDATES" are decried.

The MANDATE is illegal... a LAW passed by the peoples REPRESENTATIVES (per the Constitution) is not.

Perhaps this isn't the first time you've been ignorant.

The main reason people don't understand the distinction you're making is because that's not what those words mean - some vaccine mandates are in law, some vaccine mandates are in the executive branch, some are outside of government entirely, such as the many vaccine mandates by companies and schools the Supreme Court has upheld.

Notably, one vaccine mandate from the federal executive branch is the one that says workers at facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid must be vaccinated against coronavirus, and this mandate was upheld by the Supreme Court. If they were following your reasoning about what mandate means and what law means, they would have overturned both, but they didn't, so they weren't.

It is easy to project a sweeping philosophical position onto a Supreme Court decision that reaches the same conclusion, but Supreme Court decisions in general and this one in particular are very nuanced and narrow - the specific law, the specific scenario, the specific reasoning all play into why a specific decision is reached. They don't write dozens of pages for fun, you know?

[Shaps]

The main reason people don't understand the distinction you're making is because that's not what those words mean - some vaccine mandates are in law, some vaccine mandates are in the executive branch, some are outside of government entirely, such as the many vaccine mandates by companies and schools the Supreme Court has upheld.

Notably, one vaccine mandate from the federal executive branch is the one that says workers at facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid must be vaccinated against coronavirus, and this mandate was upheld by the Supreme Court. If they were following your reasoning about what mandate means and what law means, they would have overturned both, but they didn't, so they weren't.

It is easy to project a sweeping philosophical position onto a Supreme Court decision that reaches the same conclusion, but Supreme Court decisions in general and this one in particular are very nuanced and narrow - the specific law, the specific scenario, the specific reasoning all play into why a specific decision is reached. They don't write dozens of pages for fun, you know?

You literally said what I said...

If you work for the Federal Government - which is a persons choice - then mandated vaccines are an accepted risk of that job. Exemptions are allowed.

If you control a company - the company can make the determination of their requirements to work there.. and again.. it's a persons choice to work there or not. Exemptions are allowed.

If the President is "MANDATING" that every person "MUST" get a vaccine, regardless of their personal belief/medical condition/status... then that is unconstitutional. The President does not have the power, nor should he, to "MANDATE" what an individual does without an option. That is why "LAWS" are created by our "REPRESENTATIVES", debated, and voted on.

The President should NOT have the power to "MANDATE" that a company or individual require something - when it is in regards to that individuals health - and when it is not enacted by the "REPRESENTATIVES" elected to "REPRESENT" their "CONSTIUENTS".

I get you think a Dictator should just be able to wish things into existence... thankfully that's not our system of government. Though, with jackasses thinking like you, not for much longer.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/prior-covid-infection-more-protective-180812311.html

"Prior COVID infection more protective than vaccination during Delta surge -U.S. study"

"People who had previously been infected with COVID-19 were better protected against the Delta variant than those who were vaccinated alone, suggesting that natural immunity was a more potent shield than vaccines against that variant, California and New York health officials reported on Wednesday."

ROFL... wonder what Lefties/Facebook/Twitter/etc. are going to mark as "misinformation" now... LOL.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/1-says-no-evidence-healthy-165553792.html

"WHO says no evidence healthy children, adolescents need COVID-19 boosters"

"There is no evidence at present that healthy children and adolescents need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine, the World Health Organization's chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan said on Tuesday."

BUT...

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2022/s0105-Booster-Shot.html#:~:text=We%20now%20recommend%20that%20al l,COVID%2D19%20vaccine%20recommendations.%E2%80%9D

"We now recommend that all adolescents aged 12-17 years should receive a booster shot 5 months after their primary series. This booster dose will provide optimized protection against COVID-19 and the Omicron variant. I encourage all parents to keep their children up to date with CDC’s COVID-19 vaccine recommendations.”


So who's lying???? What is the "misinformation"??? Is the US Government LYING??? ***Baaa daaa daaaaaaaaa (plays dramatic music)***

Awaiting Seran's reply! ROFL


What did we learn today (that was previously "misinformation")? Natural immunity is better than the vaccine and boosters for kids are not needed... weird huh? Almost like what those damn "conspiracy theorists" have been saying for 1.5+ years... those fucking crazy people, am I right?

[time4fun]

The Supreme Court did not say the federal government cannot mandate a private citizen be vaccinated, though, they only said that OSHA cannot do so without the plain authorization of Congress. This distinction is mentioned six times in the majority decision and another fourteen(!) in Justice Gorsuch's concurrence, including a reference to an actual current federal law where Congress did in fact mandate a private citizen be vaccinated under certain circumstances.

You've heard a lot about federalism in the lead up to and especially the follow up of this decision. I encourage you to read the actual decision for yourself, and once you see how far you have been led astray, perhaps reconsider all the other things you've heard from those same sources: perhaps this isn't the first time you were so hoodwinked.

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

But ultimately this was just SCOTUS's latest swipe at the administrative state (and yet another flagrant disregard for Precedent). There are some serious long-term consequences for the ability of our nation to function if they keep up the trajectory they're very intentionally on right now

[Tgo01]

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

Is this going to be the new narrative? The supreme court is to blame for people dying and not Biden? What a joke.

[Gelston]

Yeah, the short-term concern is how many lives end up lost due to their decision.

But ultimately this was just SCOTUS's latest swipe at the administrative state (and yet another flagrant disregard for Precedent). There are some serious long-term consequences for the ability of our nation to function if they keep up the trajectory they're very intentionally on right now

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

+1 and always has been.

[Latrinsorm]

You literally said what I said...

If you work for the Federal Government - which is a persons choice - then mandated vaccines are an accepted risk of that job. Exemptions are allowed.

If you control a company - the company can make the determination of their requirements to work there.. and again.. it's a persons choice to work there or not. Exemptions are allowed.

If the President is "MANDATING" that every person "MUST" get a vaccine, regardless of their personal belief/medical condition/status... then that is unconstitutional. The President does not have the power, nor should he, to "MANDATE" what an individual does without an option. That is why "LAWS" are created by our "REPRESENTATIVES", debated, and voted on.

The President should NOT have the power to "MANDATE" that a company or individual require something - when it is in regards to that individuals health - and when it is not enacted by the "REPRESENTATIVES" elected to "REPRESENT" their "CONSTIUENTS".

I get you think a Dictator should just be able to wish things into existence... thankfully that's not our system of government. Though, with jackasses thinking like you, not for much longer.

People working at hospitals participating in Medicare and Medicaid are not employees of the federal government. The Supreme Court is very clear on this distinction both in the majority decision and Justice Thomas' dissent: "facilities covered by the interim rule must ensure that their employees be vaccinated against COVID–19." and "medical facilities nationwide order their employees ... to receive a COVID–19 vaccine" respectively, added emphasis mine.

The point that there must be exceptions for personal belief, medical condition, status, or any other criteria is backwards: the Medicare/Medicaid mandate does not provide such exceptions, while the OSHA mandate did. If that was the basis of constitutionality we would have seen the rulings go the other way around, but we didn't.

Thus, the Supreme Court has ruled unambiguously that the President does have exactly the power you believe to be unconstitutional... when it comes to 42 USC 1302, but not when it comes to 29 USC 651 (in the specific present circumstances), even though neither explicitly says the relevant executive agency has the right to require vaccinations. This is why we have a Supreme Court - reasonable people can disagree about what a law says and what it doesn't.

I really think if you took a step back and calmed down a little you'd stop blowing the legal matters so wildly far out of proportion. Your call though.

[Latrinsorm]

Any lives lost are up to the individual.


+1 and always has been.

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

All the things they did before Covid as responsible human beings.

[Parkbandit]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

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[Bhaalizmo]

All the things they did before Covid as responsible human beings.

That is a non answer to the question asked. Your answer, which I might agree with if it applied to your average American, disregards the part where it was specifically about Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system.

[Gelston]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

There are hundreds of millions more that don't have these issues. The majority shouldn't have to suffer because of that. Life isn't fair.

[time4fun]

Any lives lost are up to the individual.

That's not how communicable diseases work

[time4fun]

There are hundreds of millions more that don't have these issues. The majority shouldn't have to suffer because of that. Life isn't fair.

We regulate behaviors that are risky to others all the time. You don't have the "freedom" to drive drunk. You don't have the "freedom" to spit on someone in hopes that they catch a disease. You don't have the "freedom" to poison everyone's ground water (unless you're the governor of Michigan apparently).

And you've *never* had the "Freedom" to just show up to public school unvaccinated without being able to prove a serious reason for exemption.


We're in the midst of a pandemic that has killed over 800,000 Americans and has hospitalized a great deal more. Our health system has been close to collapse at various points in various state due to the sheer number of people getting sick. We're dealing with massive supply chain issues and inflation right now because COVID ran unchecked in so many places around the world that lockdowns were necessary to keep people alive.

This conversation doesn't work if we pretend that 1) someone's individual behavior when it comes to a pandemic doesn't have life-threatening consequences for other people and that 2) we don't routinely require people to make personal safety decisions in the interest of the safety of those around them.

[Gelston]

We regulate behaviors that are risky to others all the time. You don't have the "freedom" to drive drunk. You don't have the "freedom" to spit on someone in hopes that they catch a disease. You don't have the "freedom" to poison everyone's ground water (unless you're the governor of Michigan apparently).

And you've *never* had the "Freedom" to just show up to public school unvaccinated without being able to prove a serious reason for exemption.


We're in the midst of a pandemic that has killed over 800,000 Americans and has hospitalized a great deal more. Our health system has been close to collapse at various points in various state due to the sheer number of people getting sick. We're dealing with massive supply chain issues and inflation right now because COVID ran unchecked in so many places around the world that lockdowns were necessary to keep people alive.

This conversation doesn't work if we pretend that 1) someone's individual behavior when it comes to a pandemic doesn't have life-threatening consequences for other people and that 2) we don't routinely require people to make personal safety decisions in the interest of the safety of those around them.

We aren't forcing someone to do something when we regulate drunk driving, we are criminalizing an action they take. Again, it is up to the individual, as it always should be. No more Government regulation. It seriously needs to fuck off.

And the inflation is "probably" because all that money was just handed out. We had people here making 5600 a month sitting on their ass for a year.

And supply chain issues? I mean, other than what you see on the news, we don't have any here, In bumfuck Louisiana. I guess the truckers just like us better.

[Gelston]

That's not how communicable diseases work

But it is. If you are scared, get the vaccine. If you can't, stay away from people. IMAGINE THAT.

And again, sometimes shit ain't fair. That is life.

[Parkbandit]

We aren't forcing someone to do something when we regulate drunk driving, we are criminalizing an action they take. Again, it is up to the individual, as it always should be. No more Government regulation. It seriously needs to fuck off.

And the inflation is "probably" because all that money was just handed out. We had people here making 5600 a month sitting on their ass for a year.

And supply chain issues? I mean, other than what you see on the news, we don't have any here, In bumfuck Louisiana. I guess the truckers just like us better.

We have some supply chain issues here in Florida. I have trouble getting supplies for work and groceries for home.

[Parkbandit]

That is a non answer to the question asked. Your answer, which I might agree with if it applied to your average American, disregards the part where it was specifically about Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system.

What did they do before Covid was released from the Wuhan Lab?

[Gelston]

We have some supply chain issues here in Florida. I have trouble getting supplies for work and groceries for home.

Truckers never liked driving into Florida before COVID, because it was always harder to get a good load going out.

[Suppressed Poet]

Not true.

Whenever I drove my F150 and visited the sunshine state prior to Covid… I never once had any issues blowing my load there. And it always filled up again when I left too. Hell I even had a kid in 2014, and that was a solid 2 YEARS after my buddy’s bachelor party in Destin.

[Suppressed Poet]

There are 10,000,000 Americans who through no fault of their own have a compromised immune system, rendering vaccination ineffective. What choice specifically can one of those individuals make to prevent their life from being lost?

It’s been a really long time... How are you??? I hope you are still the ultra-positive confused liberal but great at math types and didn’t turn into one of those bitter woke commie “how dare you” Greta types. Please stay OG leftist.

[Tgo01]

We regulate behaviors that are risky to others all the time. You don't have the "freedom" to drive drunk. You don't have the "freedom" to spit on someone in hopes that they catch a disease. You don't have the "freedom" to poison everyone's ground water (unless you're the governor of Michigan apparently).

And you've *never* had the "Freedom" to just show up to public school unvaccinated without being able to prove a serious reason for exemption.


We're in the midst of a pandemic that has killed over 800,000 Americans and has hospitalized a great deal more. Our health system has been close to collapse at various points in various state due to the sheer number of people getting sick. We're dealing with massive supply chain issues and inflation right now because COVID ran unchecked in so many places around the world that lockdowns were necessary to keep people alive.

This conversation doesn't work if we pretend that 1) someone's individual behavior when it comes to a pandemic doesn't have life-threatening consequences for other people and that 2) we don't routinely require people to make personal safety decisions in the interest of the safety of those around them.

You are comparing drunk drivers to someone showing up for work unvaccinated. Think about how absurd you are being right now. You’re not comparing drunk drivers to someone showing up to work sick, but comparing them to someone who is healthy it unvaccinated.

You’re beyond absurd.

[Parkbandit]

it was always harder to get a good load going out.

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[Methais]

The main reason people don't understand the distinction you're making is because that's not what those words mean - some vaccine mandates are in law, some vaccine mandates are in the executive branch, some are outside of government entirely, such as the many vaccine mandates by companies and schools the Supreme Court has upheld.

Notably, one vaccine mandate from the federal executive branch is the one that says workers at facilities receiving Medicare and Medicaid must be vaccinated against coronavirus, and this mandate was upheld by the Supreme Court. If they were following your reasoning about what mandate means and what law means, they would have overturned both, but they didn't, so they weren't.

It is easy to project a sweeping philosophical position onto a Supreme Court decision that reaches the same conclusion, but Supreme Court decisions in general and this one in particular are very nuanced and narrow - the specific law, the specific scenario, the specific reasoning all play into why a specific decision is reached. They don't write dozens of pages for fun, you know?

What did you do about eating sandwiches before your mommy taught you how to buy cold cuts though?


I get you think a Dictator should just be able to wish things into existence... thankfully that's not our system of government. Though, with jackasses thinking like you, not for much longer.

In Latrin's defense, he's going to need someone to take care of him after his mommy and daddy are gone. Big government is the perfect fit for him.

[Parkbandit]

What did you do about eating sandwiches before your mommy taught you how to buy cold cuts though?

In Latrin's defense, he's going to need someone to take care of him after his mommy and daddy are gone. Big government is the perfect fit for him.

Exactly. I understand the desire for the alt-left's big government push... who will tell them how to live their lives otherwise? Most of their parents have probably abandoned them... they have no guidance in their lives.

[Latrinsorm]

There are hundreds of millions more that don't have these issues. The majority shouldn't have to suffer because of that. Life isn't fair.

You get how this expressly contradicts "Any lives lost are up to the individual." though right? If you're going to abandon it so quickly why bother saying it in the first place? This is a weird convo.

And it seems to me like the majority already "suffers" quite a bit because of the principle that we should look out for people in dire straits - for example, we already agree to pay hundreds of billions of dollars every year indefinitely for people who are so sick they can't work, and when people complain about those taxes we tell them life isn't fair, we don't tell the sick people life isn't fair. What's the difference?

[Latrinsorm]

It’s been a really long time... How are you??? I hope you are still the ultra-positive confused liberal but great at math types and didn’t turn into one of those bitter woke commie “how dare you” Greta types. Please stay OG leftist.

i'm still great at math! :D

so no, not super positive these days

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You get how this expressly contradicts "Any lives lost are up to the individual." though right? If you're going to abandon it so quickly why bother saying it in the first place? This is a weird convo.

And it seems to me like the majority already "suffers" quite a bit because of the principle that we should look out for people in dire straits - for example, we already agree to pay hundreds of billions of dollars every year indefinitely for people who are so sick they can't work, and when people complain about those taxes we tell them life isn't fair, we don't tell the sick people life isn't fair. What's the difference?

Latrin, I'd encourage you to watch the Youtube series, The Alt-Right Playbook. This making-a-claim-and-then-abandoning-it tactic is extremely common in modern political "discourse". The moment an argument is defeated, they'll move on and throw some other nonsense at you without ever addressing that they were wrong.

[Gelston]

You get how this expressly contradicts "Any lives lost are up to the individual." though right? If you're going to abandon it so quickly why bother saying it in the first place? This is a weird convo.

And it seems to me like the majority already "suffers" quite a bit because of the principle that we should look out for people in dire straits - for example, we already agree to pay hundreds of billions of dollars every year indefinitely for people who are so sick they can't work, and when people complain about those taxes we tell them life isn't fair, we don't tell the sick people life isn't fair. What's the difference?

Nope. Because it doesn't.

[Parkbandit]

It’s been a really long time... How are you??? I hope you are still the ultra-positive confused liberal but great at math types and didn’t turn into one of those bitter woke commie “how dare you” Greta types. Please stay OG leftist.


i'm still great at math! :D

so no, not super positive these days

But still so very much confused and very much a Greta type.

[Suppressed Poet]

That’s unfortunate. I remember L as confused & misguided, but also naïvely optimistic. I’ve seen the same transformation in some of my hard-left extended family members too. They have become quite bitter.

[Parkbandit]

That’s unfortunate. I remember L as confused & misguided, but also naïvely optimistic. I’ve seen the same transformation in some of my hard-left extended family members too. They have become quite bitter.

You forgot the Latrinesorm who was afraid of everything and saying he is "socially awkward" doesn't give the term the impact it deserves.

Covid happened and it magnified all of his disabilities 100 fold.

[Methais]

Latrin, I'd encourage you to watch the Youtube series, The Alt-Right Playbook. This making-a-claim-and-then-abandoning-it tactic is extremely common in modern political "discourse". The moment an argument is defeated, they'll move on and throw some other nonsense at you without ever addressing that they were wrong.

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[Methais]

That’s unfortunate. I remember L as confused & misguided, but also naïvely optimistic. I’ve seen the same transformation in some of my hard-left extended family members too. They have become quite bitter.

Latrin believes that we come here to seek his Covid wisdom.

Latrin also recently got taught by his mommy how to buy cold cuts at the grocery store all by himself. In his 30s. I'm not joking either.

[Suppressed Poet]

Latrin also recently got taught by his mommy how to buy cold cuts at the grocery store all by himself. In his 30s. I'm not joking either.

If that is true than I pity him. I’d rather help him than make fun of that.

Latrin I’m somewhat of an expert on deli meats and cheeses if you need any advice. So much so that my doctor said my cholesterol is to the point that I should visit the deli counter less often.

London Broil is your friend. Also when in doubt, ask for a sample of any of the Italian named cold cuts as they tend to be delicious. Don’t be afraid to buy more than you need as extra slices make for excellent doggy treats.

Edit to add: Don’t buy the generic brand deli meat. That’s for the poors. Get the Boar’s Head or Dietz & Watson brand if available.

[Gelston]

The Administration has to decided to completely drop the mandate, following the SC decision.

[Tgo01]

The Administration has to decided to completely drop the mandate, following the SC decision.

They dropping the military one too?

[Gelston]

They dropping the military one too?

No, just the OSHA mandated one discussed in this thread. The military one will probably remain just like every other vaccine requirement in the past.

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Who da fuck is that? The guy from The Eagles?

[Latrinsorm]

If that is true than I pity him. I’d rather help him than make fun of that.

Latrin I’m somewhat of an expert on deli meats and cheeses if you need any advice. So much so that my doctor said my cholesterol is to the point that I should visit the deli counter less often.

London Broil is your friend. Also when in doubt, ask for a sample of any of the Italian named cold cuts as they tend to be delicious. Don’t be afraid to buy more than you need as extra slices make for excellent doggy treats.

Edit to add: Don’t buy the generic brand deli meat. That’s for the poors. Get the Boar’s Head or Dietz & Watson brand if available.

All I said was that I thought it was weird a grocery store had cold cuts in three different places, but if you can advise why that is I would appreciate it, so far I haven't seen any explanation.

[Suppressed Poet]

All I said was that I thought it was weird a grocery store had cold cuts in three different places, but if you can advise why that is I would appreciate it, so far I haven't seen any explanation.

Yeah I figured I may not have received the full story or context. I’ll take a stab at it:

1) You got the actual deli counter to get fresh cut cold cuts. This is the best option but requires some patience and human interaction. (That’s not a jab at you BTW…my wife doesn’t like waiting for service nor talking to the deli people for whatever reason.)

2) Then you have specialty meats and cheeses packaged around the deli area. Most of the packaged products from here are placed there, cut, and packaged by the deli workers, but not all. This is a good option if you don’t have the time for deli counter service, or to grab certain specialty items.

3) Then you usually have a lunch meat section in another area of the grocery store which is usually a good distance from the deli. This is pre-packaged and preserved lunch meat from distributor like Oscar Meyer or Kraft. It’s different quality than anything you get from either the deli counter or the packaged deli products. This option is great if you are a cheap bastard and/or have a ginger stepchild that you are obligated to feed.

Hope this helps.

[Parkbandit]

All I said was that I thought it was weird a grocery store had cold cuts in three different places, but if you can advise why that is I would appreciate it, so far I haven't seen any explanation.

Have a link to the post?

Also, what 3 different places? I've seen cold cuts in the deli and in the refrigerator section of the grocery store.

[Gelston]

Have a link to the post?

Also, what 3 different places? I've seen cold cuts in the deli and in the refrigerator section of the grocery store.

Mine has 3. The cheaper stuff by the cheese, the fancier more expensive stuff by the fancier more expensive cheese by the wine section, and then the place where they cut it for you.

[Methais]

All I said was that I thought it was weird a grocery store had cold cuts in three different places, but if you can advise why that is I would appreciate it, so far I haven't seen any explanation.

No, you specifically mentioned how your mom showed you how to buy cold cuts, and then later on you made a slightly more detailed post about it. I remember it quite well. Stop being a liar.

To answer your new cold cuts question though...one section is for pre-packaged shit, the other is the deli, and the 3rd place...I don't know wtf store you're shopping at that has cold cuts in 3 different places.

[Gelston]

No, you specifically mentioned how your mom showed you how to buy cold cuts, and then later on you made a slightly more detailed post about it. I remember it quite well. Stop being a liar.

To answer your new cold cuts question though...one section is for pre-packaged shit, the other is the deli, and the 3rd place...I don't know wtf store you're shopping at that has cold cuts in 3 different places.

Every place I've been has three places, but you can usually skip the third place unless you are trying to do fancy shit.

[Methais]

Every place I've been has three places, but you can usually skip the third place unless you are trying to do fancy shit.

That's usually right by the deli, so I just count all that as the same thing.

Cheap meat --> Less cheap meat --> Fancy meat for people who swish wine and then spit it out like a loser

[Gelston]

That's usually right by the deli, so I just count all that as the same thing.

Cheap meat --> Less cheap meat --> Fancy meat for people who swish wine and then spit it out like a loser

Eh, not here, it is by the wine in the stores around here. They have a fancy cheese slicer too at Kroger.

[Suppressed Poet]

Latrin’s mama is SO FAT that when she goes to the grocery store it causes a national food shortage.

[Methais]

Latrin’s mama is SO FAT that when she goes to the grocery store it causes a national food shortage.

We don't hate Latrin because he's weird and sheltered. We just need him to understand that nothing he says can be taken seriously, especially when he creates 84732094234 "On the <something something>" threads pretending he's the authority on all things Covid and that we all come to the PC to seek out his Covid wisdom.

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Jesus Christ I didn't realize it was that many.

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh word. Yeah I was just getting in a yo mama joke where I could. Totally unrelated and not personal.

So L is like the Dr. Fauci of the PC. He IS the science?

[Methais]

Oh word. Yeah I was just getting in a yo mama joke where I could. Totally unrelated and not personal.

So L is like the Dr. Fauci of the PC. He IS the science?

I didn't mean it that way. But I guess it kinda sounded like it. Latrin is weird but harmless.

But yes, Latrin believes he is "the science" of the PC.

[kenneth]

It is not the same at all
It is completely different from racial segregation
The vaccine is necessary for healthy living

[Methais]

It is not the same at all
It is completely different from racial segregation
The vaccine is necessary for healthy living

No it isn't.