Why I hate people/Handcuffed children

[Artha]

link (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-cuff22.html)

A 5-year-old girl was arrested, cuffed and put in the back of a police cruiser after an outburst at school where she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls.
...
No charges were filed, and the girl went home with her mother.
...
The girl's mother, Inda Akins, said she is consulting an attorney.

"She's never going back to that school," Akins said. "They set my baby up."
^^^
That is why I hate people.

[Edited on 4-27-2005 by HarmNone]

[DeV]

Um, she's 5. They could have ganked her little ass and threw her in a broom closet or tied her up with some scotch tape until her mother arrived. She could have been suspended, expelled or sent to an alternative school.

But being arrested... that's questionable.

[Jadewolff]

That poor girl will never get the help she probably needs because of her mother's ignorance.

[Artha]

She was just stuck in the back of a police car, which honestly sounds pretty good. I mean, the teacher took away her jelly beans leading to "an outburst at school where she threw books and boxes, kicked a teacher in the shins, smashed a candy dish, hit an assistant principal in the stomach and drew on the walls." - I'd say scaring her and showing her the possible consequences of her actions, even if she is just 5, was the right way to go.

With the mother's response, I'd be willing to bet that she won't get much if any discipline at home.

What really, really bugs me though is

"They set my baby up."
I think it actually made my brain explode a little.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Artha]

[FinisWolf]

And now she is probably even worse off, thanks to the trauma of being arrested and humiliated.

Arguably, she was embarrassing herself enough, and more then likely is spoiled horribly by her folks...

Still... too traumatic for a young child!

Finiswolf

[Blazing247]

Artha is right. Sometimes, you need to put the FEAR into children. If you don't, they grow up not learning the real consequences of their actions. Ultimately, by trying to nurture a problem child, you are doing them more harm in the long run.

[Wezas]

Bad = a 5-year old being thrown into the back of the police car
Bad = the mom saying "They set my baby up"

Good = Kid suspended

Understandable = a 5-year old throwing a temper tantrum
Understandable = a mother thinking about filing a suit after her 5-
year old is cuffed and put into the back of a police car.

You need to restrain the kid? Fine. Use one of those plastic zip-tie things that the cops sometimes use. Take the kid into a bathroom/lunchroom or some room with no kids until the mother comes.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Jadewolff
That poor girl will never get the help she probably needs because of her mother's ignorance. You might be right but hopefully the school administrators have witnessed enough of this girls antics for one day to have recognized a very serious problem.

Artha... had she been a middle school student or even high school I might agree that arresting her was the best option. In this case... she's 5. I mean, that speaks volumes and hopefully doesn't set a precedent because at that age, kids are going to do bad things no matter what type of fears are instilled in them.

Obviously, I would be for the parent getting arrested in this case. j/k

[Skeeter]

Please folks. Beat your fucking kids. they'll appreciate it.

[Jadewolff]

I do agree that actually arresting the child might have been a bit much. I also see Wezas' point of view on how the mother might be upset that her 5 year old child was put in handcuffs. But the whole "They set my baby up" indicates that the mother is in some type of delusional state herself and may not make the effort to get her child the help she needs.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Skeeter
Please folks. Beat your fucking kids. they'll appreciate it. Hell yeah. Whoop their little asses because you'll be doing more than just yourself a favor and shit like this would not need to happen.

[Atlanteax]

The kid was probably placed in the police car... as it was not the first time this happened (is my assumption).

I'm also speculating that they were considering taking the kid to one of those child support places (again, with the assumption that this has been a long-running problem with that particular child). Where placing the kid in the police car for transportation would had been appropriate.

[Brattt8525]

The mere fact that this 5 year old didn't just have a tantrum, she proceeded to kick, hit and destroy things is frightening. My 3 year old has tantrums but not like that. My 5 year old does not have tantrums, if she gets mad at me she will just go to her room and play. There is something wrong with this kid and her mother. If she isn't dealt with she will be the next one who walks into school with a gun.

[Back]

I’d be pissed too if you took away my jelly beans! FREE AKINS!

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Skeeter
Please folks. Beat your fucking kids. they'll appreciate it.

Sounds like you get some of the votes here.

Having came from an abusive family... you do not have my vote. The abuse does worse things!

Finiswolf

[Wezas]

Atlanteax - damn, that's alot of assuming. Fox News will be calling you shortly for a job opportunity.

Bratt - not all kids act as good as your kids. Feel Lucky. Watch one of the Nanny shows that are on primetime TV. Kids act out. Is it the parents fault? Most likely. Next kid to walk in with a gun? C'mon now.

Dev/Skeeter - I agree that "spanking" a child when they do something severly wrong is something that should happen (if that is your style). As long as "spanking" is what you meant by "beating" then I agree.

[Wezas]

Minutes later, the 40-pound girl was in the back of a police cruiser, under arrest for battery. Her hands were bound with plastic ties, her ankles in handcuffs.

Must have missed that in the article - evidently they did use plastic ties for her hands.

In other news, a 3-year old was running away from his mother in the mall with his pants around his ankles. Indecent exposure charges to follow.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by Wezas
Atlanteax - damn, that's alot of assuming. Fox News will be calling you shortly for a job opportunity.

Bratt - not all kids act as good as your kids. Feel Lucky. Watch one of the Nanny shows that are on primetime TV. Kids act out. Is it the parents fault? Most likely. Next kid to walk in with a gun? C'mon now.

Dev/Skeeter - I agree that "spanking" a child when they do something severly wrong is something that should happen (if that is your style). As long as "spanking" is what you meant by "beating" then I agree.

Wezas first of all it was not a literal application saying she WOULD, but hey lets try some preventive medicine? Second my kids are good because I refuse to let them be otherwise. I am not going to have to deal with spoiled little brats like I see out there, no I do not beat my children and very seldom have to spank them.

They have everything they could ever want, I love them play with them, and most importantly I PAY ATTENTION to them. I get through to them on the most simple of levels and that is by telling them hey what if I did that to you? Or I say you know what you really hurt mommies feelings and I have through example taught them empathy.

I am a firm believer children are a product of their enviorment, especially a 5 year old. Sure as kids hit their teens they are influenced most times beyond our control
but a 5 year JUST starting school acting like this? BS her mother needs to be arrested as well.

[DeV]

Point is, people in power need to think twice before arresting a 5 year old child. I think the school needs to get social services involved if this little girl has a history of causing these types of disturbances at school. Sitting her in the back of a police cruiser, sure, without the handcuffs though.

Children are products of their social circumstances and are not only influenced by the environment surrounding their parent/s.

[Skeeter]

beating = spanking.

beating != abuse.

bring back capital punishment in schools. sure as hell kept me in line.

[Brattt8525]

Originally posted by DeV
Point is, people in power need to think twice before arresting a 5 year old child. I think the school needs to get social services involved if this little girl has a history of causing these types of disturbances at school. Sitting her in the back of a police cruiser, sure, without the handcuffs though.

Children are products of their social circumstances and are not only influenced by the environment surrounding their parent/s.

Jesus Dev how much of a social life does a 5 year old have? A child who is 5 and is acting this way does so because she is ALLOWED to by her parent/parents. If it is an ADD ADHD BiPolar problem then by god someone get this fixed.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Brattt8525
Jesus Dev how much of a social life does a 5 year old have? A child who is 5 and is acting this way does so because she is ALLOWED to by her parent/parents. If it is an ADD ADHD BiPolar problem then by god someone get this fixed. Some 5 year olds have alot more social interaction with people than some adults. I agree with your point though.

That's why I've previously stated:



You might be right but hopefully the school administrators have witnessed enough of this girls antics for one day to have recognized a very serious problem.

And...


I think the school needs to get social services involved if this little girl has a history of causing these types of disturbances at school.

[CrystalTears]

A 40-pound 5 year old? "That's a huge bitch!" :D

All kidding aside, a child acting in that fashion so young is a product of the parents who don't control it. A child doesn't act all sweet and nice at home and then go into hysterics at school. If that's the case, she has issues. If not, then the parents are allowing her to behave that way.

I don't have a problem with the arresting either. They didn't take her anyway, just restrained her. Hello, 40 pound child! I know parents can attest to a large child flailing and throwing a tantrum is not an easy person to control.

The mother stating that she's getting a lawyer? That's just crazy talk. How about you deal with your child before accusing the school of trying to deal with your mess? Sheesh.

[Edited on 3/22/2005 by CrystalTears]

[AnticorRifling]

My wife is dealing with something similiar right now. She has a 5 or 6yr old student that has been suspended multiple times. This kid hits other kids, hits my wife (which is a huge fucking no no in my eyes) rubbed mulch in a kids eyes, ran a kids face across a fence, throws things, can't be trusted with scissors anymore, etc. But guess what, teachers can't do much about it because parent's are sue fucking happy and don't want to be acountable for their children's actions.

I say if the kid hits my wife again then the child's parents will be getting alittle something I call a lawsuit. I'll play the fucking game.

[Warriorbird]

I'm sure Tamral supports it. Those darn liberals have gotten in the way of taking five year olds to jail for a long time.

[Amaron]

Just wait until they slap a lable on that kid... call her sociaily and emotionally disturbed and then send her back to school.

She will then get a special behavior plan that does nothing.

She can only be suspended 15 days during the school year.

And it only gets worse from there.

J the teacher who has two of them in her class now.

[DeV]

:wtf: Someone needs to contact the department of social services. That kid also has needed to be seeing the school Therapist/Social Worker when at least the second incident occured so they could have made a determination about their behavior. That kid sounds like he's more dangerous than anything.

[Vitruvian]

They set my baby up? You sure they arent talking about Bobby Brown and Whitney Houston?

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by Skeeter
bring back capital punishment in schools. sure as hell kept me in line. Corporal punishment. Capital punishment is the death penalty. Unless you're an undead IRL, in which case where the HELL did you go to school?

[Warriorbird]

Because America really needs to be a repressive police state like Singapore. That's the ticket!

I'm sure Koushun Takami's "Battle Royale" would also make an excellent resource for conservative flunkies.

[Skeeter]

oh for fucks sake you knew what I meant.

nitpick much?

[AnticorRifling]

That's not really nitpicking that's a huge difference in what you said vs what you meant. Hell my highschool was still allowed to paddle kids when I went thru. I know, I was paddled alot....

They've since stopped it but there are talks of bringing it back. Nothing like taking a board to your backside to settle your ass down for a day or two.

[Warriorbird]

And inspire S&M tendencies.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by AnticorRifling
They've since stopped it but there are talks of bringing it back. Nothing like taking a board to your backside to settle your ass down for a day or two.

No kidding! And boy did my principle have a huge paddle. It was bigger than his head and had holes all through it. <shudders> That bitch HURT! :moon2:

[Warriorbird]

Nothing says family values like physical dominance and inappropriate touch.

[Skeeter]

I meant teh paddle

Also at my school it wasn't called paddling, it was called "Getting Cracks."

That just sounds so much worse. Not being able to sit down = not wanting to act up anymore.

Warriorbird from your snide comments I take it you've never been spanked?

[Warriorbird]

I was vigorously spanked by my parents about twice. I was hit by a school teacher once. It meant something from my parents. It meant about nothing from my teacher.

That sort've thing should be done at home, but folks like to place responsibilty on schools or politicians.

[Skeeter]

So the schools should have no recourse for the parents that refuse to parent? Maybe they could ask the problem children to sit in time out :lol:

[Warriorbird]

They've got more than enough abilities to utilize for expulsion, restriction, or alternative education in most cases.

A five year old shouldn't be that much of a problem.

But, then again, teachers being as underpaid and badly treated as they are (thanks to our Republican friends)...

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Warriorbird

A five year old shouldn't be that much of a problem.


Tell that to my wife who's been trying to get this kid out of her class for 127 days now. It would be easier to remove the child but we can thank your Democrat friends for the delay.

[Warriorbird]

Strange how my aunt just got two bounced from her class in a week. School system and state likely has a role in it. I was actually telling her I thought it was foolish to do that to students that young.

Then again, I suppose you think putting five year olds in paddy wagons is okay too.

There has to be a certain line drawn.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

[AnticorRifling]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Strange how my aunt just got two bounced from her class in a week. School system and state likely has a role in it. I was actually telling her I thought it was foolish to do that to students that young.

Then again, I suppose you think putting five year olds in paddy wagons is okay too.

There has to be a certain line drawn.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

State probably has alot to do with it I'm guessing. I normally don't agree with it but this kid needs to go it's only a matter of time before she hurts another student or my wife. Even if she is only 5/6yrs old she can still put a pair of scissors or a pencil through someone.

Nope I don't agree with putting a 5yr old in a paddy wagon. Those are for groups of people :cool:

[Warriorbird]

:grins:

Yeah, I think elementally parents contribute a lot more to a person's development than a school's. Always been my standpoint. I got roped into a lot of "gifted education comittees" when I was in high school. What effected my mental growth and direction had nothing to do with school in the end. All the activities they organized were just excuses for me to goof off, flirt, or mess around on the Internet. Some people should be "left behind." unless they shape up, but exponential benefits provided me little apart from things my folks pushed for.

I think it's hard for schools to discipline adequately, corporally or no, when facing the massive budget cuts that so many of them are, however.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

[AnticorRifling]

Yup, my wife will probably be pink slipped before Spring Break. But I'm betting she is hired back before the start of next school year, there are just too many kids to not have the teachers.

Let's make a deal, you blame the war mongers and I'll blame the hippies. It's win win.

[Warriorbird]

Heh heh. Works for me. I'm not really anti-war, either, I'm anti certain war. I nearly got disowned by my grandfather for my statement that I thought that assassination was a valid tool for statecraft when my aunt said she'd like to have some of her students knocked off.

[CrystalTears]

Originally posted by Skeeter
So the schools should have no recourse for the parents that refuse to parent? Maybe they could ask the problem children to sit in time out :lol:

Heh. The way I grew up, while you were in school, the staff were basically your guardians while there. Should you mouth off, throw a tantrum, lash out, you were taken care of by either the teacher or the principle.

Time outs, detentions, suspensions mean nothing to children. Action speaks louder than words. Kids laugh off detentions and suspensions because they consider them a cake walk. "Wow I get to sit here for a few hours, or get sent home for a couple of days. No problem. All mom is going to do is yell at me. BFD." Give them a few lashes and I'm sure they would think twice about being dicks in class. I didn't grow up with thugs and that's how life was.

Then again this is a time when if you got in trouble in school, your parents would ask, "What did you do and did you deserve it?" rather than "I'm calling my lawyer."

[AnticorRifling]

If the school called my parents I could bet that I just enrolled myself in asswhoopin 101 (and sometimes 202). It kept me on the straight and narrow. On the flip side of that you need to know where the line of discipline and abuse lies as well.

[Warriorbird]

Corporal punishment never meant anything to me in school. No punishment really did until high school, and even then it was dubious. I'd have been just as bad a kid and just as smart and smart assed under it. I think the gun incidents and violence incidents would happen just the same. Hell... it might even be worse. You disrespect a teacher who suspends you. You can hate a teacher who strikes you. I eventually got the one teacher who hit me in a lot of trouble. There was no grounds for it, really, I was just a smart kid hellbent on revenge.

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I didn't grow up with thugs and that's how life was. I didn't grow up with racists or thugs. Do I win?

The questions to me are: are kids acting up more frequently? If so, why? If not, why does it seem like they are?

[Warriorbird]

Bad parenting. Dissatisfaction with traditional societal roles. A critical lack of respect in our society. The decline of our power and relevance.

[AnticorRifling]

And hormones in the chicken! No wait that's why the girls have teh big boobies...carry on with the hormones in the chicken!

[Warriorbird]

To be honest, I don't think it's necessarily that much worse than the past. Guns are more prevalent and drugs are more prevalent and sex is more prevalent... but kids have always done stupid nonsense. Hell, kids doing stupid nonsense goes back to the time before we were even a country. Look at the Salem Witch Trials.

[Skeeter]

why?

Society as a whole has become blameless. I have no reason to take responsibility for my actions, when I can sue not for what I did, but for "what happened"

whatever happened to taking responsibility for your actions? If a kid screws up it's the teachers fault, or society, or killer bees from Mexico.

I have no problem with this 5 year old being placed in a police car. The schools certianly have no way of handling a dangerously violent student, regardless of age. That kid will likely become really comfortable in the back of the police car, as this will probably be the first of many trips.

[Tsa`ah]

I support corporal punishment when it is implemented responsibly. With today's teachers and our poor standards ... it would be impossible to allow it.

Despite your animosity toward paddling in school WB, it was a successful deterrent and did not promote S&M tendencies in the absence of some sort of home abuse.

Right now our educational system is out of control. Zero tolerance, arresting kids for rubber bands, and suspending kindergarteners for sexual harassment ... We have NO standards in place for who can be an educator. We'll prevent a guy who smoked weed and has a record of it, but we'll allow known child abusers in the class room.

In this particular case the child would have benefited tremendously from a swat or two when she first started acting up. At that age, while pops was away for one reason or another, my siblings and I were holy terrors away from home ... until the first paddling. After that we learned about consequences. This is what children today lack, inside and outside, at home.

We don't want the government babysitting our children, and I agree completely with that. I don't view corporal punishment as baby sitting measures. I view it as a child learning that someone other than mom or dad may pop their ass when they don't show the same respect their parents demand ... or fail to show the respect their parents don't care about.

I can count on one hand the number of times my rear end was tanned, by parents or by teachers, and still have a finger left for something else. I have no desire to bind and paddle, or be bound and paddled, and as a bonus ... I understand the consequences of my actions and am able to weigh the pros and cons readily.

Thanks so much Mrs. Smootz, Mr. Phelps, Mom, and Dad.

[Warriorbird]

It's sort've like people had to do with Joseph McCarthy.

"Have you no sense of decency?"

Five year olds don't belong in police cars. Next we'll get rid of the juvenile justice system. Singapore does accept immigrants.

[FinisWolf]

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I didn't grow up with thugs and that's how life was. I didn't grow up with racists or thugs. Do I win?

The questions to me are: are kids acting up more frequently? If so, why? If not, why does it seem like they are?

More frequently...???

My mind popped into a few different criminal acts that people frown on. You know, like murder, rape, etc etc. I know that those have always been there are are still there, and per capita remain about the same.

Now, the kid issue, well, I would say its these great laws that tie parents and schools hands that help aide children into these situations. ie: We had a neighbor that had a son, and if the son didn't like wha the mom and dad were doing (like grounding him) he would call CPS (Child Protective Services) and make up some great stories.

Hell, there are fucking time limits on how long a child can be on time out (standing against the wall / sitting in a corner / etc), and if you exceed that as a parent you can go to jail. If you spank your child, you can go to jail. So on and so forth.

Then the damn government turns around and goes; "O! You are not making oyu defient little shit ass go to school, if you don't start making them go to school, then we are sending you to jail. WTF?!?! ie: I had a g/f that had a daughter that would not go to school. The mom worked graves, and days (2 jobs - single parent thing). School called, and wrote warning the mom, hey your kids not attending school like she should be... So the mom talks to the kid, kid says "o yea mom, I will go" ... a few weeks later the mom is in court being threatened with jail. The mom is forced to quit her day job, ans she starts taking her daughter to school (dropping her ass at the door) ... about 4 weeks later she is yanked back into court, the daughter was still ditching ... the mom was senteneced to a year in jail. Thats our great government at work for us!

The problem as I see it, is there is a definitive time and place for Gov't Agencies to step in, and there are times, they need to stay the hell out ... unfortunately they step in on every case, and end up making things worse 9 times out of 10. And even when they do what they are supposed to do, they can manage to screw that up as well ... ie: had a neighbor when I was a bit younger that was a big time dope phene ... got busted several times, and 2 times her kids kept her out fo jail ... the third time she was so trashed that she had dope everywhere, needles laying about, and the babies got into it ... OD'd got pricked ... anyway to keep it short, she went to jail and within a month of being released, she again had her kids back, was right back on welfare, and right back to doing mass loads of dope. -- another ie: Mom in a rather small town was pimping her kids out to mexicans (girl 12 , boy 8, and a baby that wasn't even 2) ... she got busted for it, got probation, and got her kids back.

I have alot of war stories of BS when they shouldn't step in, when they shoudl step in and don't, and when they screwed up when they did finally step in. Its really sad.

So whats contributing to these saddening occurances of children re-enacting Columbine ...

I have my opinion, and I think I made that clear... do some research, you will get sick witht he information you uncover.

Finiswolf

[Warriorbird]

Eh. I dunno if corporal punishment would work. A teacher'd smack a kid and the kid would drop them with a Glock.

:chuckles:

I see where you're coming from on one level, Tsa'ah. I think the fact that my parents used corporal punishment on me rarely and only when it was most serious probably did me good. I don't think teachers could readily impose it all that well in this society where many of them are doing things like having sex with students, however, and most parents and politicians, conservative or no, give them little respect.

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

Originally posted by Warriorbird
They've got more than enough abilities to utilize for expulsion, restriction, or alternative education in most cases.



thanks for the laugh. I was having a bad night cause my buddy hit a fucking 3 run blast in the ninth inning with his pitcher to win the game in MVP 2005

Originally posted by Warriorbird
Eh. I dunno if corporal punishment would work. A teacher'd smack a kid and the kid would drop them with a Glock.

:chuckles:

[Edited on 3-22-2005 by Warriorbird]

Heh. not neccessarily. When I was going to summer school at chicago vocational one of the teachers choked slammed the shit out of this dude who was acting ignorant with another female teacher. Yea the kid talked alot of shit, but in the end he didn't do anything but sit the fuck down.

All in all the kids didn't fuck with that guy because they knew he wasn't playing.

[Artha]

bout 4 weeks later she is yanked back into court, the daughter was still ditching ... the mom was senteneced to a year in jail. Thats our great government at work for us!
I sincerely hope she beat her daughter either before going or after coming back.

And I don't mean spanked.

[FinisWolf]

Naw, she loves her daughter to death. She was severly unhappy about it, sent her daughter to live with the dad, cause she felt like she was failing, only to have him return her in a matter of a day (a weekend day).

Finiswolf

[Bobmuhthol]

My parents never taught me that murder, brutality, violence, etc. is wrong. You know what came of it? I don't care about murder, brutality, violence, etc. You know what didn't come of it? Me committing murder or brutality.

Let the fucking kids figure it out for themselves. Hand them a Swiss army knife, and see if they still like it when they cut through a vein in their hand and bleed for hours. Give them a wooden door to punch, and see if they still like it when they break their middle knuckle.

[Skirmisher]

So a five year old girl in a small school in St Petersburg Fla was throwing a tantrum, ripping down artwork from the walls and even hitting the asst principal who was trying to calm her down.

She would not calm down and continued carrying on in the office she was taken too, jumping up on a table and so forth.

The school in the end called the police after more than an hour of trying to calm the child and they came and placed her in cuffs and then in the back of a squad car while waiting for the girls mother to arrive.

I am not sure how I feel about this.

I know I NEVER would have even dreamt of acting out like that at home, FORGET in public for fear of parental reprisals, so in that regard I must find fault with the parents who are bringing up a child to think that this is appropriate behavior.

At the same time, I have to wonder if there was not some other way to deal with the girl. I admit I do not know what I would have done. If that were my neice acting so, you can believe a spanking would have occured. If the school is prohibited from spanking a child and the mother is taking so long to arrive, I don't know what would be expected of them.

So I was wondering what others who read here might think about all this. :?:

News story:
http://www.nbc6.net/news/4416060/detail.html?rss=ami&psp=news

Video:
http://nbc6.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=831376

PS: If this has been posted before please delete this.

[Kainen]

In all honesty I am not sure they had much choice.. I mean she wasnt settling down and the parents were taking a while to get there. the PARENTS should have been put in handcuffs for thier kid acting like that. You can be sure that if my son had done that, he wouldnt have been able to sit down for a while. Part of the blame goes to the justice system that considers it illegal for you to hit your child at all. And god forbid you do it in public where others can see you. No one ever had thier life ruined my a swat to the butt when they were young. (not beating but a spanking)

[Artha]

I'm pretty sure it's the same girl.

Last thread about this. (http://forum.gsplayers.com/viewthread.php?tid=13403)

[Skirmisher]

Yes, must be the same one, my mistake, please either delete or merge this thread with the prior?

Sorry.

[Bobmuhthol]

If the girl was white this never would have happened.

[Kuyuk]

Use a fucking tazer on the bitch.


K.

[Parkbandit]

The handcuffs should have been applied to her parents for being piss poor parents. Too bad there are no laws against that.

[Dionisius]

I doubt anyone in my family would even think about acting like that AT ALL. Unless they want the skin ripped from there ass, bruises from an extention cord/hanger/belt/anything that hurts.

The secret to raising a well behaved child is not to just beat them, but beat them when they least expect it (in the shower).

[Edited on 4-27-2005 by Dionisius]

[Bobmuhthol]

haha I thought this was the ass award thread for a second and I was going to be like, "WHAT THE FUCK DIONISIUS?!?!?!?"

[Edited on 4-27-2005 by Bobmuhthol]

[Brattt8525]

After seeing this child on the news, I am convinced my kids really are well behaved. That kid needs to go to the Catholic school I attended from grade one to 8th grade. Those Nuns look sweet but they are mean as hell when need be.

If you got sent to the principles office, you got the strap on your hand, I will never forget the day that I pulled my hand away and he hit himself.

I can even remember when I was growing up if your neighbor saw you doing something, they would grab you by the ear swat you and take you to your mom and she THANKED them. Then you got a spanking from her too, the kids today need some good old fashioned swats without people calling the cops. Abuse is one thing, spanking is far from abuse.

I was spanked as a child and developed completely fine, aside from my fascination with playing squat tag in cucumber patches.

Seriously though, a five year old isn't going to murder anybody. The whole reason why she actually had this incident while she was in a normal school setting for a five year old is because this incident will greatly help reduce the risk of her beating the shit out of someone as a two hundred and fifty pound high-school freshman. By then she'll have had behaviour modification in a structured educational setting, or some crap...

[Jolena]

Yeah, my neighborhood growing up believed in the whole "It takes a village to raise a child' theory and so did my parents. I had the exact same thing happen where neighbors would catch me doing something bad, nab my ear, swat me and march me home to my mother who happily thanked them and THEN spanked me too. I was lucky if my entire family didn't get in on that spanking as well. (grandmother, aunts/uncles, etc.) I think that a lot of times this theory should apply still with our children.

As far as the child goes, I don't know how I feel about her being in handcuffs. 40 pounds is not a lot for a 5 year old really. My 3 year old weighs 37 and my 5 year old weighs 51. There are several pictures in the picture thread of her. She's very lean and completely healthy. Not overweight at all. Course..she's also about 3 inches taller then all the other kids her age. :)

I do think that since this was a repeat offense, they did try to control her for over an hour, and the cops did use those plastic ties for her wrists, perhaps they were justified in that. But maybe put her in a room like that, instead of in the back of a copcar. I don't know, I wouldn't have sued if it had been my child, I know that. Hell, I'd be lucky if I didn't go to jail upon arrival at the school for spanking her ASS while she's still handcuffed heh.

As far as corporal punishment, I spank my kids. I was spanked by teachers, I don't think it was the worst thing that could have happened to me by far and it didn't scar me for life. It only happened a few times and I learned my lesson due to the repurcussions from my folks. I don't think I'd want teachers today spanking my children though, because there are some really loopy teachers out there. I'll continue to spank my kids though. Let someone call the cops on me or my child call CS on me for doing so. I won't stop handling things the way I see fit. You put that fear in them of consequences when they are small and they don't act out as badly when they are older. They know what can happen. And no, before anyone else says it, I'm not advocating BEATING your child. There is a difference.

[Warriorbird]

Arresting the parents I could go for.

[ElanthianSiren]

The state and state institutions have no right informing people how to raise their kids. I'd be having it out with anyone who touched any one of my kids, simply because they would be my children and that individual would not be their parent.

That all said, sometimes it kills me that you need a liscense to own a dog, but any idiot can rear a child.

-Melissa

[Latrinsorm]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
The state and state institutions have no right informing people how to raise their kids.Sure they do. There is a line that parents cannot cross, and that line is called child abuse. We (society) have a duty to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

[Gan]

Originally posted by Skeeter
beating = spanking.

beating != abuse.

bring back capital punishment in schools. sure as hell kept me in line.

Capital punishment in school didnt slow me down, but that was when I was in jr. high/high school. (It did get intimidating when I was younger than that.)

I'd go get my licks and move on to some other mischief. Now what got my attention was telling my coach of my misdeeds which resulted in lots of running/tours/wind sprints/grass-ladder drills. THAT SUCKED.

The only other thing that put the brakes on mischief was when the assistant principal stop giving pops for excessive tardies and started making us stay after school for detention. That took up valuable time that was usually dedicated to after school athletics or having to explain to my parents why I wouldnt be home on time.

Kudos for my assistant principal (who's now the district superintendent) for thinking smarter than his adversaries.

[Latrinsorm]

Again, it's corporal. Capital punishment would be them putting a bullet in your head, not a welt on your behind.

[Gan]

on yea.... its corporal. Sometimes my parents might have wished for capital... but yes, its corporal.

[Shari]

Wow are there ever severe problems going on in THAT family.

While I don't condone the idea of teachers spanking (or other physical punishment) at school, I am completely for throwing her ass in the back of a copcar.

A ONE HOUR TANTRUM? If I had tried to acccomplish a fit like that for an hour I'd be fucking exausted. Nothing like a police record to open someone's eyes. Hopefully the mother will get a fucking clue and attempt to raise her kid.

I for one had my very own plastic Tupperware spoon with my NAME written on it, as did my brother. They were instituted after the wooden spoons kept breaking. I'd say I turned out relatively normal. I was belted once, and only once too...I think my parents felt too guilty about using something akin to a whip. After experienceing that sort of pain I will never take a belt to my children.

Do I plan on spanking them? Hell yes I do. It will be entirely dependent on the severity of what they did.

I'll even make their own spoon with their name on it to carry on the family heritage.

Hehe, I'd like to add my best friend and her siblings had a paddle made by their dad out of an old cutting board. Carved into it were the words "With Love" written in mirror script. That way the welts on your ass would read correctly. :D

I don't think it was ever used, but the concept enough was effective in keeping them in line.

[Edited on 4-28-2005 by Jesae]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Jesae
While I don't condone the idea of teachers spanking (or other physical punishment) at school, I am completely for throwing her ass in the back of a copcar.

A ONE HOUR TANTRUM? If I had tried to acccomplish a fit like that for an hour I'd be fucking exausted. Nothing like a police record to open someone's eyes. Hopefully the mother will get a fucking clue and attempt to raise her kid.

I for one had my very own plastic Tupperware spoon with my NAME written on it, as did my brother. They were instituted after the wooden spoons kept breaking. I'd say I turned out relatively normal. I was belted once, and only once too...I think my parents felt too guilty about using something akin to a whip. After experienceing that sort of pain I will never take a belt to my children.

Do I plan on spanking them? Hell yes I do.

What Jesae said.

When I went to school, we had parental information cards. They included your mom's number, dad's number, and two alternatives. The two alts were individuals of loco parentis. This means, individuals that your family trusted to oversee your development in parental absence. I believe that system is still in use, so obviously, they couldn't reach this girl's alts. This is a problem with HER family/guardians, not with the system.

Just to be clear, I have no problem with the village to raise a child scenario IF YOU ARE CHOOSING THE VILLAGE. That said, you do not choose your child's teachers. They are appointed every year. They are essentially strangers to you and your child. As strangers, you don't know if what YOU may consider a minor infraction, or even a healthy learning mechanism, (saying, "I disagree" or "that isn't how it seemed presented in the text" ) would be a major no-no to this individual.

Case Examples of Model Authority Figures:

My sophmore Geometry teacher was fired for having an improper relationship with one of his female students after school and making inappropriate comments to others during classtime.

Also, the highschool I attended may be one you've heard of: Upper Merion Area High School. Our ex principle's name was Jay Smith, and he's been convicted of murdering his ex girlfriend and accused of also murdering her two children.

These are not the kind of people I would want disciplining my children; in fact, these are the people I would want IN JAIL as far from my children as possible. As we noted however in our child molestation thread, you rarely know if a person is a problem in our society until they are convicted of a crime.

I suppose we could pscyhologically screen teachers to make sure they don't have abusive tendencies, which brings us to the question of funding. I know, it's never as easy as it sounds: Just let the teachers whip the little bitches! Unfortunately, hitting a child out of anger only psychologically teaches aggression, not discipline. Further, and more to the point, what are you going to do when the teacher hits your kid for something and the teacher is wrong? Do you hand the child the paddle and say, "Go to town." Even kindergardeners have a basic premise of what constitutes justice; expecting them to give that up in the face of the humiliation of a paddling by a stranger is a bit much.

Arbitrarily allowing teachers to physically discipline students is rightfully a no no. Personally, I feel that advocates of it either idealize authority figures (they do have bad days too. they do make mistakes. they do hold biases.) or must disregard the worth of their children to flippantly state that any person with a teaching degree can extract whatever type of physical force is "necessary".

In this case, I don't think the cops did anything wrong. In fact, I think they did everything right. I would have locked that kid up in a rubber room, and her mom should be kissing the asses of the city and administration for putting up with her daughter's BS for as long as they did.

-Melissa

edited cuz I need to remember to turn off smilies in my posts.

[Edited on Thu, April th, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[Kefka]

Perhaps a psychologist or social worker would've been a better call than having the cops come over and cuff her.

[DeV]

^ Agreed.

This also happened in a Chicago public school. Nuff said.

Again, it all comes back to this:


Originally posted by Bobmuhthol
If the girl was white this never would have happened.

[Meges]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
I was spanked as a child and developed completely fine, aside from my fascination with playing squat tag in cucumber patches.

Seriously though, a five year old isn't going to murder anybody. The whole reason why she actually had this incident while she was in a normal school setting for a five year old is because this incident will greatly help reduce the risk of her beating the shit out of someone as a two hundred and fifty pound high-school freshman. By then she'll have had behaviour modification in a structured educational setting, or some crap...

A five year old may not murder anyone, but a four year old will certainly shoot a 2 year old brother in the head with a gun... [/sarcasm]

Meges

[Caiylania]

That child got what she needed and her mom needs a dose of reality as well.

I think kids should be spanked, but not by teachers. Being hand-cuffed and put in a police car was not out of line for what it sounds like was a serious case of someone needing attitude adjustment.

Hitting kids really makes parents winners. Give me a fucking break or don't breed.

- Arkans