On Courage

[Latrinsorm]

In this season of the good king Wenceslas, the frost is once again cruel, and the weather remains bitter, and the night is darker.

The king did not tell his page it wasn't cold outside.
Neither did he tell his page to imagine the warmth of the past.
Nor did he offer his page coat, or hat, or gloves.
In the bleak midwinter, the great monarch said merely:

"Mark my footsteps, my good page,
tread thou in them boldly.
Thou shall find the winter's rage
freeze thy blood less coldly."

.

2,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the first eight months of this year.
20,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the last three.

179 children died of COVID by December 31st, 2020.
527 have died so far this year.
And last week was by far the deadliest of the pandemic for children.

It took two months from introduction for the delta variant to reach 75% of new cases.
It took two weeks for the omicron variant to do so.

.

Courage is not insisting it's summer - it's winter.
Courage is not declaring the winter isn't cold - the winter is cold.
Courage is not complaining about the garments we do have - we have what we have.

We must face reality.
We must see the dreadful extent of our task.
We must acknowledge how desperately we long for life to be the way it was.
And we must square our shoulders,
and do the right thing anyway.

.

In closing, some lyrics from a somewhat less well known tune that may offer additional support in this time of trials...

"And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow,
with smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go,
turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain,
and like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

Rise again, rise again!
Though your heart it be broken, and life about to end.
No matter what you've lost, be it a home, a love, a friend,
like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!"

Good luck out there, everyone.

[Gelston]

no one cares

[Keller]

I think both Latrin and Gelston are correct.

[Tgo01]

I think both Latrin and Gelston are correct.

You cared enough a year ago where you were demanding the entire country shutdown. What could possibly be different to change your mind so much even though many more people are getting sick and dying now compared to a year ago? Oh whatever could it be?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dude, just two weeks to flatten the curve.

[Keller]

You cared enough a year ago where you were demanding the entire country shutdown. What could possibly be different to change your mind so much even though many more people are getting sick and dying now compared to a year ago? Oh whatever could it be?

With all due respect, you are very dull. Like at least one standard deviation below the IQ mean.

[Tgo01]

With all due respect, you are very dull. Like at least one standard deviation below the IQ mean.

I'm just curious as to why a year ago you cared about people dying but you don't now? What changed exactly? Be specific please.

[Keller]

I'm just curious as to why a year ago you cared about people dying but you don't now? What changed exactly? Be specific please.

I was making a tongue in cheek joke about both Latrin being correct that we should care and Gelston being right that no one does.

At this point we should care about the immunocompromised, those under 5, and those under 18 with anti-vax chud parents. The rest of us are vaccinated and in more and more cases boosted.

We are living through a culling of the herd brought to you by the mainstream conservative media. Social Darwinism in real time.

[Tgo01]

I was making a tongue in cheek joke about both Latrin being correct that we should care and Gelston being right that no one does.

You're part of that "no one" so why don't you care is why I'm wondering.


At this point we should care about the immunocompromised, those under 5, and those under 18 with anti-vax chud parents. The rest of us are vaccinated and in more and more cases boosted.

We are living through a culling of the herd brought to you by the mainstream conservative media. Social Darwinism in real time.

Except some experts say up to 20% of the people being hospitalized are vaccinated so.......you're wrong.

Also it was your president and his vice president who told people not to trust the vaccine and the CDC so.....again you're wrong. You're always wrong.

Biden in 2020: "If and when the vaccine comes, it’s not likely to go through all the tests that need to be done, and the trials that are needed to be done."

Biden in 2020: "When we finally do, God willing, get a vaccine, who’s going to take the shot? Who’s going to take the shot? You going to be the first one to say, ‘Put me, sign me up, they now say it’s OK’? "

Biden in 2020: "And the question of whether it’s real, when it’s there, that requires enormous transparency. You’ve got to make all of it available to other experts across the nation, so they can look and see, so there’s consensus this is a safe vaccine. Because already you have, what percent is American people saying if the vaccine were there tomorrow, they wouldn’t take it? And it’s not the usual anti-vaccine crowd. It’s beyond that because people are losing faith in what the president says. Think about it."

Just in case you forgot, the vaccine you and everyone else put into their bodies is the exact same vaccine Biden told everyone not to trust while Trump was president.

[Keller]

You are a really strange dude.

[Tgo01]

You are a really strange dude.

It seems like 99.99% of the time you don't have a single clue what you're talking about, you then lash out at those who are actually knowledgeable on the subject and correct your nonsense. You really should do better in life and stop pretending to care about people one day, then one year later mock people dying because them dying now makes your president look bad.

Just admit you never once cared about "saving lives!" and this whole virus and vaccine has been 100% political for you.

Latrin is crazy as well but at least his crazy has been consistent this entire time.

[Keller]

Also, even if “some experts” are correct that 20% of hospitalizations are vaccinated, that means 80% are not. A significant minority of Americans are unvaccinated. So the overwhelming majority of hospitalizations (80% based on your assertion) are made up of the minority of Americans (less than 40 percent of Americans are unvaccinated).

[Alfster]

It seems like 99.99% of the time you don't have a single clue what you're talking about, you then lash out at those who are actually knowledgeable on the subject and correct your nonsense

Has it become self aware? Oh shit, it actually thinks this describes Keller and not itself. Weird.

[drumpel]

I know one person that has had a family member die from covid related illness. He only died because he outright refused any kind of treatment. It wasn't until the guy was nearly on his deathbed and that his son finally found out how bad he was doing, that his son had to come in, from out of state, and drag him to the hospital. It was too late though, his dad died a couple days later. He was vaccinated, too. He got vaccinated, along with his wife so they could be around his son and his now 1 year old grandkid. The whole family was vaccinated (aside from the 1 year old)

The wife has a co-worker that her and her husband are both vaccinated and even got a booster. The husband is in the medical field (I think a RN) and he got horribly sick from covid about a month after his booster shot. He spent 2 weeks in the hospital.

My 9 year old son's teacher is vaccinated, along with her whole family. Her and her family came down with covid so bad if they hadn't turned a corner her doctor was going to help get them admitted.

My wife's brother, his wife and 3 kids all got covid around the start of November this year. They aren't vaccinated. The three kids ages range from 8 to 13. Him and his wife are around 45. He had a slight cough for a few days, as well as the kids and they also had runny noses. The wife had a fever for a few days, but she's been feeling fatigued for the past couple of weeks. Other then that, they haven't had any severe symptoms.

The wife's parents had covid. Her dad had fever and chills for a few days, her mom came down with a mild case of covid pneumonia and has had oxygen to help her when she needs it. She's almost completely over it after 4 weeks. They were unvaccinated. They picked it up from the brother-in-law's kids when they came over to visit and they were not feeling 100% - they had the runny nose and slight coughs for a few days and figured it was just a cold that had been going around.

My wife had covid almost two years ago today, she was sick just a couple days before the New Year of 2019. She had chills and a fever of 101-102 for 5 days. She also had terribly joint pains. My daughter had it then, too. She had a fever for a couple of days and was fine after that. I didn't catch it and I'm not sure if my son caught it or not then. I finally got covid about a year after the wife caught it. I lost my taste and smell for about 2 weeks. I had the chills for about half the day and after waking up the next day my taste/smell were almost gone and the day after they were 99% gone and lasted for about 2 weeks. If my son had caught either of these bouts of covid he showed zero symptoms.

The wife spent hours, over a 4 day span, at her parent's place helping them out with things while they were sick with covid and she never got sick. Remember, the wife had covid 2 years prior and after spending a ton of time around her sick parents, she never got sick again.

In the past month, my son has had 3 kids in his class test positive for covid. He sat across from one of them, even. He has shown no symptoms and neither did any of the kids in this 3rd grade class.


My point is, how do we know the vaccine even works other than what we're told by companies that hide information about the vaccines. They're only driven by profit. It's hard to believe what they offer is good since they don't divulge all the negative affects the vaccine has. Then it doesn't help when you see stories that say the shots are not effective against the omicron variant. Then a follow up story saying the shot is good against the omicron variant if you get a booster.....what the fuck? That makes zero sense. Get the vaccine and it's not effective, but it becomes effective if you get another shot?

Yeah, no thanks. I'm good. I had covid. My family had covid. No way in hell you're jabbing me with something that the manufacturers and government won't divulge all the information about the vaccine. They need to lay out all the information and let people make informed decisions instead of trying to just make a profit and force it. Pfizer, just one of the companies that makes a "vaccine"...let's be real here, it's not a vaccine, it's pretty much a suppressant, is making bank off the governments paying for their suppressant. It's a number's game for them, nothing more.

Yes, may people have problems trusting the governments and big pharm companies because they're not being truthful. When they've had ample time to come forward truthfully and haven't, it's hard to gain a person's trust as more and more time goes on.

[Parkbandit]

In this season of the good king Wenceslas, the frost is once again cruel, and the weather remains bitter, and the night is darker.

The king did not tell his page it wasn't cold outside.
Neither did he tell his page to imagine the warmth of the past.
Nor did he offer his page coat, or hat, or gloves.
In the bleak midwinter, the great monarch said merely:

"Mark my footsteps, my good page,
tread thou in them boldly.
Thou shall find the winter's rage
freeze thy blood less coldly."

.

2,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the first eight months of this year.
20,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the last three.

179 children died of COVID by December 31st, 2020.
527 have died so far this year.
And last week was by far the deadliest of the pandemic for children.

It took two months from introduction for the delta variant to reach 75% of new cases.
It took two weeks for the omicron variant to do so.

.

Courage is not insisting it's summer - it's winter.
Courage is not declaring the winter isn't cold - the winter is cold.
Courage is not complaining about the garments we do have - we have what we have.

We must face reality.
We must see the dreadful extent of our task.
We must acknowledge how desperately we long for life to be the way it was.
And we must square our shoulders,
and do the right thing anyway.

.

In closing, some lyrics from a somewhat less well known tune that may offer additional support in this time of trials...

"And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow,
with smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go,
turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain,
and like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

Rise again, rise again!
Though your heart it be broken, and life about to end.
No matter what you've lost, be it a home, a love, a friend,
like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!"

Good luck out there, everyone.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oxRmGXbquXKz6DNPq/giphy.gif

Stay under your bed... and away from normal people.

Thanks.

[Parkbandit]

With all due respect, you are very dull. Like at least one standard deviation below the IQ mean.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SharpHandyDogfish-size_restricted.gif

[Latrinsorm]

My point is, how do we know the vaccine even works other than what we're told by companies that hide information about the vaccines.

first we can look at america, where even as vaccination's protection has waned since 09/13/2021, through 12/15/2021 we have seen 132,023 total covid deaths and 20,904 vaccinated covid deaths - 16% of deaths among the vaccinated that comprise 61% of the population

second we can look at portugal, which lapped the field in vaccination and has seen these overall death results (prorated to our population size) compared to us, even with the advent of omicron

https://imgur.com/plbbsQG.png

i am not asking you to throw out your data set of what i estimate at 20 people. i do think we can agree that a data set of 400,000,000 people is probably more indicative than 20

neither am i asking you to trust pharmaceutical companies, because i do think we can agree i did not obtain any of this data from them

as a parent, surely you are already familiar with booster shots for vaccines, from dtap to mmr to polio. i am not sure why you are incredulous that boosters would also be required for a virus that mutates as much as polio does, can you elaborate?

[Gelston]

I'm at a bar right now. No masks, no social distancing. Oh the horror.

[Latrinsorm]

Stay under your bed... and away from normal people.

Thanks.
Stay under your bed Latrine.. we'll handle it.

In the period between the first time you said this and now, about seven hundred thousand Americans have died of COVID.

Your handling has killed more Americans than Ho Chi Minh, Adolf Hitler, and the Kaiser combined.

If you aren't an enemy of the United States, you're doing an incredible impersonation.

[Gelston]

In the period between the first time you said this and now, about seven hundred thousand Americans have died of COVID.

Your handling has killed more Americans than Ho Chi Minh, Adolf Hitler, and the Kaiser combined.

If you aren't an enemy of the United States, you're doing an incredible impersonation.

Yes, Parkbandit personally ordered the deaths of those people.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm at a bar right now. No masks, no social distancing. Oh the horror.

This is an odd rejoinder considering that if the United States as a whole had suffered the per capita death toll of Louisiana we'd already be well past 1,000,000 covid deaths.

But of course this is in keeping with you taking pride in being among the worst of an extremely poor group, so I guess it's not that odd.

[Gelston]

This is an odd rejoinder considering that if the United States as a whole had suffered the per capita death toll of Louisiana we'd already be well past 1,000,000 covid deaths.

But of course this is in keeping with you taking pride in being among the worst of an extremely poor group, so I guess it's not that odd.

My city has the highest murder rate it has ever had too, I still go outside. Death happens,if it's your time it is your time.

[Keller]

Latrin can you please stop and let the gene pool sanitize itself please?

[Gelston]

Latrin can you please stop and let the gene pool sanitize itself please?

Nothing Latrin posts here is making any difference in the way anyone does anything. No one comes to the PC for tips on how to live their lives.

[Neveragain]

Latrin can you please stop and let the gene pool sanitize itself please?

Democrat kid diddler that wants to sanitize the gene pool, some things never change.

[Parkbandit]

In the period between the first time you said this and now, about seven hundred thousand Americans have died of COVID.

Your handling has killed more Americans than Ho Chi Minh, Adolf Hitler, and the Kaiser combined.

If you aren't an enemy of the United States, you're doing an incredible impersonation.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/3oxRmGXbquXKz6DNPq/giphy.gifx100

Seriously, you need to up your meds. Your Pantophobia seems to be getting the best of you.

[drumpel]

as a parent, surely you are already familiar with booster shots for vaccines, from dtap to mmr to polio. i am not sure why you are incredulous that boosters would also be required for a virus that mutates as much as polio does, can you elaborate?

So, the "suppressant" shot you get doesn't help with the omicron variant, but a booster shot of the same "suppressant" does?

What a stupid retard you have to be to believe that.

If you believe that, I have a rock that keeps tigers away......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU

[Latrinsorm]

My city has the highest murder rate it has ever had too, I still go outside. Death happens,if it's your time it is your time.

from 2000 to 2019 american deaths increased by about 25,000 per year
from 2019 to 2020 american deaths increased by about 500,000

either death's wristwatch or your assessment of reality has gone seriously awry

[Latrinsorm]

So, the "suppressant" shot you get doesn't help with the omicron variant, but a booster shot of the same "suppressant" does?

What a stupid retard you have to be to believe that.

If you believe that, I have a rock that keeps tigers away......


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm2W0sq9ddU

vaccines are not suppressants. i'm not sure where you got that idea, but it's an especially odd comparison to draw since suppressants do in fact require perpetual doses over time to remain effective

if you're sincerely asking why vaccination requires multiple shots of the same vaccine all i can do is again draw your attention to the polio vaccine, which you presumably do believe works, and of which your child received 4 doses. the principle of multiple doses generating a stronger response than one dose is extremely well established, and a stronger response is logically required when a more contagious strain of the virus emerges and initial doses have begun to wane

i'm not sure what you think lisa's argument is in that clip - in her case, at one time there are zero tigers, at a later time there are still zero tigers, therefore crediting there still being zero tigers to a rock (or anything else) is specious. by comparison, the data i showed you had two countries suffering roughly the same nonzero deaths, one country reaching a much higher vaccination rate, and that country then suffering far fewer deaths. perhaps you have heard the term "control group" or simply "control"? this is what that looks like

[Gelston]

from 2000 to 2019 american deaths increased by about 25,000 per year
from 2019 to 2020 american deaths increased by about 500,000

either death's wristwatch or your assessment of reality has gone seriously awry

.... What? You're a fool. Probably harder for you to get cold cuts being so scared in your basement huh?

[drumpel]

vaccines are not suppressants. i'm not sure where you got that idea, but it's an especially odd comparison to draw since suppressants do in fact require perpetual doses over time to remain effective

if you're sincerely asking why vaccination requires multiple shots of the same vaccine all i can do is again draw your attention to the polio vaccine, which you presumably do believe works, and of which your child received 4 doses. the principle of multiple doses generating a stronger response than one dose is extremely well established, and a stronger response is logically required when a more contagious strain of the virus emerges and initial doses have begun to wane

i'm not sure what you think lisa's argument is in that clip - in her case, at one time there are zero tigers, at a later time there are still zero tigers, therefore crediting there still being zero tigers to a rock (or anything else) is specious. by comparison, the data i showed you had two countries suffering roughly the same nonzero deaths, one country reaching a much higher vaccination rate, and that country then suffering far fewer deaths. perhaps you have heard the term "control group" or simply "control"? this is what that looks like


Your example about the polio shot doesn't fit this case you're trying to defend. Perhaps you should read up on it more. The shots are to build up immunity against it and it works.

Covid, the suppressant (a drug or other substance which acts to suppress or restrain something - can't call the covid shot a vaccine because it doesn't function like a vaccine. At best it works as a suppressant) shot hasn't changed. The suppressant shot is said to be not be very effective against the omicron variant. So why would a booster shot, of the same suppressant, just magically make you better resistant against the omicron variant when the first two shots don't?

[Neveragain]

vaccines are not suppressants. i'm not sure where you got that idea, but it's an especially odd comparison to draw since suppressants do in fact require perpetual doses over time to remain effective

if you're sincerely asking why vaccination requires multiple shots of the same vaccine all i can do is again draw your attention to the polio vaccine, which you presumably do believe works, and of which your child received 4 doses. the principle of multiple doses generating a stronger response than one dose is extremely well established, and a stronger response is logically required when a more contagious strain of the virus emerges and initial doses have begun to wane

i'm not sure what you think lisa's argument is in that clip - in her case, at one time there are zero tigers, at a later time there are still zero tigers, therefore crediting there still being zero tigers to a rock (or anything else) is specious. by comparison, the data i showed you had two countries suffering roughly the same nonzero deaths, one country reaching a much higher vaccination rate, and that country then suffering far fewer deaths. perhaps you have heard the term "control group" or simply "control"? this is what that looks like

Do you still get polio after you undergo the vaccinations? No.

Do people still get small pox after they get their vaccinations? No.

Do people still get covid after they receive their "vaccinations?". Yes.

You need to seek counseling for your mysophobia.

[Seran]

Do you still get polio after you undergo the vaccinations? No.

Do people still get small pox after they get their vaccinations? No.

Do people still get covid after they receive their "vaccinations?". Yes.

You need to seek counseling for your mysophobia.

Wow, talking about some really stupid reasoning. Of course no one has gotten either of those diseases; Smallpox and Polio no longer exist in the United States and smallpox hasn't been discovered outside of a high level lab in decades. The fact they're no longer endemic. Meanwhile, covid-19 infections are running rampant in the United States and even the vaccinated and boosted can still get breakthrough infections, but that isn't a signal it's any less effective overall.

[Realk]

Wow, talking about some really stupid reasoning. Of course no one has gotten either of those diseases; Smallpox and Polio no longer exist in the United States and smallpox hasn't been discovered outside of a high level lab in decades. The fact they're no longer endemic. Meanwhile, covid-19 infections are running rampant in the United States and even the vaccinated and boosted can still get breakthrough infections, but that isn't a signal it's any less effective overall.


for god sakes then quit calling it a vaccine. nobody thought a virus was going to get a vaccine anyways. It is what it is.. a flu shot.. making people rich.. and causing a whole lot of chaos. still ... ffs

[Neveragain]

Wow, talking about some really stupid reasoning. Of course no one has gotten either of those diseases; Smallpox and Polio no longer exist in the United States and smallpox hasn't been discovered outside of a high level lab in decades. The fact they're no longer endemic. Meanwhile, covid-19 infections are running rampant in the United States and even the vaccinated and boosted can still get breakthrough infections, but that isn't a signal it's any less effective overall.

When you go through a series of vaccinations you will never get that disease. You could lick a small pox infected vagina and never catch small pox.

There has never been nor will there ever be a true vaccine for covid.

Grow up, quit being a crybaby bitch over a very mild variant of covid. Even the woman that discovered this variant is like "WTF is wrong with you people?"

I still refuse to get the jab until people like you shut the fuck up and they stop pushing for mandates.

[Neveragain]

for god sakes then quit calling it a vaccine. nobody thought a virus was going to get a vaccine anyways. It is what it is.. a flu shot.. making people rich.. and causing a whole lot of chaos. still ... ffs

Seran doesn't really care about covid, he cares that it gives him a chance to be a bigot.

[Parkbandit]

Wow, talking about some really stupid reasoning. Of course no one has gotten either of those diseases; Smallpox and Polio no longer exist in the United States and smallpox hasn't been discovered outside of a high level lab in decades. The fact they're no longer endemic. Meanwhile, covid-19 infections are running rampant in the United States and even the vaccinated and boosted can still get breakthrough infections, but that isn't a signal it's any less effective overall.

Why are they no longer endemic? Because of vaccines.

You got the polio vaccine and the chance to get polio was extremely rare.

You get the covid vaccine and the chance to get covid is the same as the unvaccinated... the same to spread it as the unvaccinated.

It's not a vaccine in the same respect as the polio or smallpox vaccine.

It's an expensive flu shot.

[Seran]

for god sakes then quit calling it a vaccine. nobody thought a virus was going to get a vaccine anyways. It is what it is.. a flu shot.. making people rich.. and causing a whole lot of chaos. still ... ffs

The research science industry calls it a vaccine, my doctor calls it a vaccine, the government calls it a vaccine. Really /everyone/ calls it a vaccine. Because you have a bit of sand in your vagina about it doesn't make it any less a vaccine.

[rolfard]

The research science industry calls it a vaccine, my doctor calls it a vaccine, the government calls it a vaccine. Really /everyone/ calls it a vaccine. Because you have a bit of sand in your vagina about it doesn't make it any less a vaccine.

While it's true that it is considered a vaccine, it's frustrating they went and changed the online dictionary definition of what a vaccine is so that it would be inclusive of this treatment

[Alfster]

While it's true that it is considered a vaccine, it's frustrating they went and changed the online dictionary definition of what a vaccine is so that it would be inclusive of this treatment

So by definition it's a vaccine and you're claiming it's not. Lol

[rolfard]

When the definition of terms is changing in the middle of a pandemic, it's worrisome (1984 style). If it didn't meet the definition of vaccine before the change, they could have called it anything else.

It's happened to the term gain of function as well (deleted from the NIH website)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10166185/He-incorrect-Fauci-fires-Paul-claiming-NIH-changed-gain-function-definition.html

Next to change/currently changing: fully vaccinated

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[Seran]

Oh goodness, there's a worldwide pandemic that's killed hundreds of thousands worldwide and they're using medical terminology that anyone older than ten can understand. Please help me, my little denier brain is so overwhelmed.

[Seran]

Nevermind that children have been getting booster shots for decades, this madness has got to stop!

[Neveragain]

Oh goodness, there's a worldwide pandemic that's killed hundreds of thousands worldwide and they're using medical terminology that anyone older than ten can understand. Please help me, my little denier brain is so overwhelmed.

We get it, while the rest of us were in biology you were in the special needs class.

[Parkbandit]

Please help me, my little denier brain is so overwhelmed.

Damn.. you were right 2 times in 2 days.

This is a very strange year.

[Wrathbringer]

Hey gais I smell like rancid dook!!

ooooooooooooookaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyy

[Stanley Burrell]

When there's enough pill-form shit for everyone, I really do sincerely hope there's a lot less side effects.

I got my third Moderna inoculation three days ago and it reeeaaallllllyyy wasn't too much fun this time with the reactions.

[Bhaalizmo]

When there's enough pill-form shit for everyone, I really do sincerely hope there's a lot less side effects.

I got my third Moderna inoculation three days ago and it reeeaaallllllyyy wasn't too much fun this time with the reactions.

Yeah, the hot / cold fever sweat was unpleasant for a moment but didn't last long.

[Keller]

The microchip takes a minute to stabilize the internal furnace. Blame Bill Gates and zombie Steve Jobs.

[Latrinsorm]

Your example about the polio shot doesn't fit this case you're trying to defend. Perhaps you should read up on it more. The shots are to build up immunity against it and it works.

Covid, the suppressant (a drug or other substance which acts to suppress or restrain something - can't call the covid shot a vaccine because it doesn't function like a vaccine. At best it works as a suppressant) shot hasn't changed. The suppressant shot is said to be not be very effective against the omicron variant. So why would a booster shot, of the same suppressant, just magically make you better resistant against the omicron variant when the first two shots don't?

the polio vaccine "works" because we have a higher percentage of the population vaccinated than the contagiousness of polio can overcome: 93% against a required level of 83%

in both cases, the vaccinated cohort would see less severe and less frequent negative outcomes than the unvaccinated cohort if we did not reach the required level for herd immunity, but they would still see some due to continuous exposure. you can see this in the historical statistics of polio - when vaccination began in 1954 polio cases actually went UP, and even when they reached permanent decline in 1960 thousands of kids were still getting polio

this is why the antivaxx movement was decried so loudly and so often even before covid, because it was bringing us perilously close to levels where we would lose herd immunity and all children would be at risk of those deadly and devastating diseases

[Latrinsorm]

Why are they no longer endemic? Because of vaccines.

You got the polio vaccine and the chance to get polio was extremely rare.

You get the covid vaccine and the chance to get covid is the same as the unvaccinated... the same to spread it as the unvaccinated.

It's not a vaccine in the same respect as the polio or smallpox vaccine.

It's an expensive flu shot.

the chance to get polio is extremely rare because we have herd immunity to it - zero americans got polio in 2019

the chance to get measles is much less rare, because we no longer have herd immunity to it - over a hundred americans who were vaccinated against measles contracted it in 2019 anyway

this is simple math: measles' r0 of 17 means we need 94% vaccinated and we only have 91%, so measles cases happen to the unvaccinated, and to a lesser (but nonzero) degree to the vaccinated too. polio's r0 of 6 means we need 83% vaccinated and we have 93%, so polio cases don't happen to either group. our covid vaccination rate of 61% is well below what was needed for covid, let alone its delta variant, so we saw a massive death toll that countries like portugal and israel did not

it remains to be seen what specifically the r0 of the omicron variant is, but obviously it is higher than delta's so obviously we will continue to see massive death tolls until we dramatically increase our vaccination rate or take other simple commonsense steps towards public health

[Latrinsorm]

While it's true that it is considered a vaccine, it's frustrating they went and changed the online dictionary definition of what a vaccine is so that it would be inclusive of this treatment

a vaccine has never been a guarantee for an individual. diseases have only been eradicated when vaccines have been used at a societal level sufficient for the contagiousness of the particular disease - 1% of vaccinated Europeans exposed to smallpox died in the 1960s, which was obviously better than the 52% among unvaccinated, but obviously worse than the 0% we saw once we vaccinated enough to eliminate the disease entirely

i don't know what online dictionary you were or are looking at, or whom you think changed it, or why you're looking at it at all. i would say looking at how the vaccinated diseases we take for granted now developed over time seems the most relevant

[Methais]

In this season of the good king Wenceslas, the frost is once again cruel, and the weather remains bitter, and the night is darker.

The king did not tell his page it wasn't cold outside.
Neither did he tell his page to imagine the warmth of the past.
Nor did he offer his page coat, or hat, or gloves.
In the bleak midwinter, the great monarch said merely:

"Mark my footsteps, my good page,
tread thou in them boldly.
Thou shall find the winter's rage
freeze thy blood less coldly."

.

2,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the first eight months of this year.
20,000 vaccinated died from COVID in the last three.

179 children died of COVID by December 31st, 2020.
527 have died so far this year.
And last week was by far the deadliest of the pandemic for children.

It took two months from introduction for the delta variant to reach 75% of new cases.
It took two weeks for the omicron variant to do so.

.

Courage is not insisting it's summer - it's winter.
Courage is not declaring the winter isn't cold - the winter is cold.
Courage is not complaining about the garments we do have - we have what we have.

We must face reality.
We must see the dreadful extent of our task.
We must acknowledge how desperately we long for life to be the way it was.
And we must square our shoulders,
and do the right thing anyway.

.

In closing, some lyrics from a somewhat less well known tune that may offer additional support in this time of trials...

"And you, to whom adversity has dealt the final blow,
with smiling bastards lying to you everywhere you go,
turn to, and put out all your strength of arm and heart and brain,
and like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again.

Rise again, rise again!
Though your heart it be broken, and life about to end.
No matter what you've lost, be it a home, a love, a friend,
like the Mary Ellen Carter, rise again!"

Good luck out there, everyone.

This is both Biden's fault and your fault.

Good job Latrin.

[Parkbandit]

This is both Biden's fault and your fault.

Good job Latrin.

I blame his parents for creating such a gigantic pussy.

[rolfard]

a vaccine has never been a guarantee for an individual. diseases have only been eradicated when vaccines have been used at a societal level sufficient for the contagiousness of the particular disease - 1% of vaccinated Europeans exposed to smallpox died in the 1960s, which was obviously better than the 52% among unvaccinated, but obviously worse than the 0% we saw once we vaccinated enough to eliminate the disease entirely

i don't know what online dictionary you were or are looking at, or whom you think changed it, or why you're looking at it at all. i would say looking at how the vaccinated diseases we take for granted now developed over time seems the most relevant

One significant difference between a traditional vaccine and the mRNA treatment is a vaccine introduced a substance your body creates antibodies to destroy. The 'new' vaccine (which previously did not fit under the definition) sends a message to your cells to create a spike protein which your body then identities as harmful and then you create antibodies to fight it.

It's a distinct difference to introduce a harmful product to your body (innoculation, vaccination) to force it to fight. You are forcing your body to create a harmful substance (mRNA directs cells to create a spike protein - a 'harmless' piece of the intruder) AND THEN FIGHT IT.

It's the first time we are using this method and it could have had a unique name (innoculation has a unique name vs vaccination because it's different), but instead it was bootstrapped to the word vaccine which actually makes that word weaker.


"Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”"
--https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

[Methais]

One significant difference between a traditional vaccine and the mRNA treatment is a vaccine introduced a substance your body creates antibodies to destroy. The 'new' vaccine (which previously did not fit under the definition) sends a message to your cells to create a spike protein which your body then identities as harmful and then you create antibodies to fight it.

It's a distinct difference to introduce a harmful product to your body (innoculation, vaccination) to force it to fight. You are forcing your body to create a harmful substance (mRNA directs cells to create a spike protein - a 'harmless' piece of the intruder) AND THEN FIGHT IT.

It's the first time we are using this method and it could have had a unique name (innoculation has a unique name vs vaccination because it's different), but instead it was bootstrapped to the word vaccine which actually makes that word weaker.


"Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”"
--https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

In before Latrin tells you about what a hero he is for lecturing us about how scared of everything he is.

[Latrinsorm]

One significant difference between a traditional vaccine and the mRNA treatment is a vaccine introduced a substance your body creates antibodies to destroy. The 'new' vaccine (which previously did not fit under the definition) sends a message to your cells to create a spike protein which your body then identities as harmful and then you create antibodies to fight it.

It's a distinct difference to introduce a harmful product to your body (innoculation, vaccination) to force it to fight. You are forcing your body to create a harmful substance (mRNA directs cells to create a spike protein - a 'harmless' piece of the intruder) AND THEN FIGHT IT.

It's the first time we are using this method and it could have had a unique name (innoculation has a unique name vs vaccination because it's different), but instead it was bootstrapped to the word vaccine which actually makes that word weaker.


"Before the change, the definition for “vaccination” read, “the act of introducing a vaccine into the body to produce immunity to a specific disease.” Now, the word “immunity” has been switched to “protection.”"
--https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article254111268.html

i have given you a specific claim about how vaccinated people fared against a specific illness at a specific time; to reiterate, Europeans in the 1960s died from smallpox even if they were vaccinated

this is a factual claim - it is either true or false, and you can choose to verify it
if it is true, then it immediately lays to rest what the words "vaccine" and "immunity" mean and have always meant, and when you were told they had changed you were just told wrong
if it is false, then i'm a liar
either way we can be immediately done with this discussion if, and only if, you look at the facts of the matter

you have brought up 1984: here's your chance to prove you aren't so easily swayed by the semantics of propagandists

[rolfard]

i have given you a specific claim about how vaccinated people fared against a specific illness at a specific time; to reiterate, Europeans in the 1960s died from smallpox even if they were vaccinated

this is a factual claim - it is either true or false, and you can choose to verify it
if it is true, then it immediately lays to rest what the words "vaccine" and "immunity" mean and have always meant, and when you were told they had changed you were just told wrong
if it is false, then i'm a liar
either way we can be immediately done with this discussion if, and only if, you look at the facts of the matter

you have brought up 1984: here's your chance to prove you aren't so easily swayed by the semantics of propagandists

One significant difference between a traditional vaccine and the mRNA treatment is a vaccine introduced a substance your body creates antibodies to destroy. The 'new' vaccine (which previously did not fit under the definition) sends a message to your cells to create a spike protein which your body then identities as harmful and then you create antibodies to fight it.

Let's break it down;

Innoculation is exposure to live virus stimulating an immune response
Vaccine is a exposure to dead/damaged virus stimulating an immune response
Xxxx is injecting genetic material (messenger RNA) that turns your cells into (harmless) spike protein factories that stimulate an immune response

It's new, it's different, it deserves recognition as such

And I am vaccinated and I have had COVID, twice

[Tgo01]

Europeans in the 1960s died from smallpox even if they were vaccinated

The smallpox vaccine prevented infection in over 95% of the people who received the vaccine. This is why we were able to eradicate the virus because it ran out of hosts to infect.

The China virus vaccine is so leaky that more people were infected and died the year in which we had a vaccine compared to the first year the virus was discovered.

If anything a leaky vaccine could be worse than no vaccine at all. It's the same principle for why superbugs are created: people don't properly take their antibiotics which allows bacteria to build up a resistance to that particular antibiotic.

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making here.

[Neveragain]

i have given you a specific claim about how vaccinated people fared against a specific illness at a specific time; to reiterate, Europeans in the 1960s died from smallpox even if they were vaccinated

this is a factual claim - it is either true or false, and you can choose to verify it
if it is true, then it immediately lays to rest what the words "vaccine" and "immunity" mean and have always meant, and when you were told they had changed you were just told wrong
if it is false, then i'm a liar
either way we can be immediately done with this discussion if, and only if, you look at the facts of the matter

you have brought up 1984: here's your chance to prove you aren't so easily swayed by the semantics of propagandists


Coronavirus outbreak sidelines ship whose crew is fully immunized, Navy says

100% "vaccinated" USS Milwaukee crew now sidelined because of covid outbreak.

For the love of humanity will you seek counseling for your mysophobia.

[Neveragain]

The smallpox vaccine prevented infection in over 95% of the people who received the vaccine. This is why we were able to eradicate the virus because it ran out of hosts to infect.

The China virus vaccine is so leaky that more people were infected and died the year in which we had a vaccine compared to the first year the virus was discovered.

If anything a leaky vaccine could be worse than no vaccine at all. It's the same principle for why superbugs are created: people don't properly take their antibiotics which allows bacteria to build up a resistance to that particular antibiotic.

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making here.

It's becoming intolerable to deal with the mentally ill in this country.

[Tgo01]

This was an interesting bit of information I saw in regards to a hospital system in Michigan:


Across Beaumont's eight hospitals, which are a part of Michigan's largest healthcare system, there are currently 563 COVID patients. Among those hospitalizations, unvaccinated people account for two-thirds.

So 33% of the patients hospitalized with the China virus are fully vaccinated.

"But....but but but this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated!!"

Maybe 3 more boosters will prevent this.

I wonder how many of those vaccinated people they are going to interview with them saying "I did everything right! I social distanced, I wore a mask, I got vaccinated, I got my boosters, and I still ended up in the hospital! What's going on here?" I'm assuming the number is less than 1 because that doesn't fit the narrative.

Hey, get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine, I really don't give a single shit what anyone does. But that's just the thing isn't it? People like Seran and Latrin don't want to let people do what they want to do. They want to bully everyone into wearing a mask and OOPS! Turns out cloth masks are next to useless and even surgical masks might not be cutting it anymore. Oh well.

They want to force shutdowns everywhere except OOPS! Turns out shutdowns didn't really do much because "essential workers" (which made up about 30-50% of the working age population) were still in close contact with other people and they brought that disease home to their "non-essential" family.

Now they want to force everyone to get vaccines except OOPS! Turns out these vaccines aren't the wonder "jab" they told us it would be and it's leaky as shit.

Just stop with the madness already. You live your life the way you want to and let everyone else live their life the way they want to. What a crazy notion.

[Parkbandit]

And I am vaccinated and I have had COVID, twice

The only reason you are still alive is because you are vaccinated.

[Seran]

This was an interesting bit of information I saw in regards to a hospital system in Michigan:



So 33% of the patients hospitalized with the China virus are fully vaccinated.

"But....but but but this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated!!"

Maybe 3 more boosters will prevent this.

I wonder how many of those vaccinated people they are going to interview with them saying "I did everything right! I social distanced, I wore a mask, I got vaccinated, I got my boosters, and I still ended up in the hospital! What's going on here?" I'm assuming the number is less than 1 because that doesn't fit the narrative.

Hey, get the vaccine, don't get the vaccine, I really don't give a single shit what anyone does. But that's just the thing isn't it? People like Seran and Latrin don't want to let people do what they want to do. They want to bully everyone into wearing a mask and OOPS! Turns out cloth masks are next to useless and even surgical masks might not be cutting it anymore. Oh well.

They want to force shutdowns everywhere except OOPS! Turns out shutdowns didn't really do much because "essential workers" (which made up about 30-50% of the working age population) were still in close contact with other people and they brought that disease home to their "non-essential" family.

Now they want to force everyone to get vaccines except OOPS! Turns out these vaccines aren't the wonder "jab" they told us it would be and it's leaky as shit.

Just stop with the madness already. You live your life the way you want to and let everyone else live their life the way they want to. What a crazy notion.

You're mocking vaccination efforts because you feel that only twice the number of hospitalizations among unvaccinated isn't serious enough. Wow. Please just go back to bed Karen

[Methais]

Latrin is so scared of everything that he wears rubber gloves and 2 condoms when he jerks off.



You're mocking vaccination efforts because you feel that only twice the number of hospitalizations among unvaccinated isn't serious enough. Wow. Please just go back to bed Karen



But he's still 847230947230427094x less stupid than you.

[Tgo01]

You're mocking vaccination efforts because you feel that only twice the number of hospitalizations among unvaccinated isn't serious enough. Wow. Please just go back to bed Karen

Well it certainly proves people such as yourself and Rachel Maddow 100% wrong when she said vaccines stop the virus dead in its tracks and someone who is vaccinated can't even get infected and therefore can't pass it on to someone else.

I'm sure you're screeching at the top of your lungs for her to be fired right? Naww not really, it's totally cool to spread China virus misinformation as long as the misinformation is pushing the correct narrative, right shithead?

[Seran]

Well it certainly proves people such as yourself and Rachel Maddow 100% wrong when she said vaccines stop the virus dead in its tracks and someone who is vaccinated can't even get infected and therefore can't pass it on to someone else.

I'm sure you're screeching at the top of your lungs for her to be fired right? Naww not really, it's totally cool to spread China virus misinformation as long as the misinformation is pushing the correct narrative, right shithead?

Good luck with that bit of cognitive dissonance.

[Seran]

Speaking of whacked out hillbillies. We've reached the point of the pandemic where the anti-vaxxers are expressing discontent that enough "sheep" haven't been vaccinated/boosted to have reached herd immunity.

[Neveragain]

Speaking of whacked out hillbillies. We've reached the point of the pandemic where the anti-vaxxers are expressing discontent that enough "sheep" haven't been vaccinated/boosted to have reached herd immunity.

Sure thing, whigger.

[Alfster]

Well it certainly proves people such as yourself and Rachel Maddow 100% wrong when she said vaccines stop the virus dead in its tracks and someone who is vaccinated can't even get infected and therefore can't pass it on to someone else.

I'm sure you're screeching at the top of your lungs for her to be fired right? Naww not really, it's totally cool to spread China virus misinformation as long as the misinformation is pushing the correct narrative, right shithead?

It is the Trump vaccine. Surprised he sold a fake product? His damn leaky vaccine is as bad as his diaper

[Tgo01]

Good luck with that bit of cognitive dissonance.

So yes. You want people on the PC of all places to be permanently banned for "spreading China virus misinformation" but when Rachel Maddow does it you're totally cool with it because she was telling everyone to get vaccinated. You're such a despicable person.

[Tgo01]

It is the Trump vaccine. Surprised he sold a fake product? His damn leaky vaccine is as bad as his diaper

Are you an anti-vaxxer now because Trump has been calling for people to get vaccinated from day one? Gee big surprise there.

[Seran]

Sure thing, whigger.

Hey, speaking of racism. You filthy racist.

[Neveragain]

Hey, speaking of racism. You filthy racist.

Imagine calling people hillbillies and then screaming "racist!" after being called a whigger.

Do you ever tire of being a manchild?

[drumpel]

The only reason you are still alive is because you are vaccinated.

Who's to say that the suppressant even works at all?
What if your friend, appearing to be perfectly healthy in all aspects gets the suppressant shot. Catches covid and dies. Who's to say that if he didn't get shot he would have still died?

What if your friend didn't get the shot and died. Who's to say that he would have survived if he had the suppressant shot?

The shit big parm and the governments have shoveled around about everything, it's still all about money. If the suppressant shot was actually fully functional like a vaccine, it would be different. But when people I know that have gotten multiple shots and even boosters are getting covid, they're pissed they suffered through the nasty side effects the shots gave them and then through the nasty impact that covid had on them. They don't want anymore shots and they're pissed for getting them. I know of a couple people that have had significant others die after getting all their suppressant shots and contracting covid.

Your blind faith that the suppressant shot saved rolfard's life is laughable. Did the shot help? Maybe....maybe not.

[rolfard]

Who's to say that the suppressant even works at all?
What if your friend, appearing to be perfectly healthy in all aspects gets the suppressant shot. Catches covid and dies. Who's to say that if he didn't get shot he would have still died?

What if your friend didn't get the shot and died. Who's to say that he would have survived if he had the suppressant shot?

The shit big parm and the governments have shoveled around about everything, it's still all about money. If the suppressant shot was actually fully functional like a vaccine, it would be different. But when people I know that have gotten multiple shots and even boosters are getting covid, they're pissed they suffered through the nasty side effects the shots gave them and then through the nasty impact that covid had on them. They don't want anymore shots and they're pissed for getting them. I know of a couple people that have had significant others die after getting all their suppressant shots and contracting covid.

Your blind faith that the suppressant shot saved rolfard's life is laughable. Did the shot help? Maybe....maybe not.

I actually survived two COVID infections (and still have breathing issues almost two years later) before the shot was even available. I tested positive for antibodies over a year later but when faced with losing my job chose to get "vaccinated" anyway.

[Parkbandit]

Who's to say that the suppressant even works at all?
What if your friend, appearing to be perfectly healthy in all aspects gets the suppressant shot. Catches covid and dies. Who's to say that if he didn't get shot he would have still died?

What if your friend didn't get the shot and died. Who's to say that he would have survived if he had the suppressant shot?

The shit big parm and the governments have shoveled around about everything, it's still all about money. If the suppressant shot was actually fully functional like a vaccine, it would be different. But when people I know that have gotten multiple shots and even boosters are getting covid, they're pissed they suffered through the nasty side effects the shots gave them and then through the nasty impact that covid had on them. They don't want anymore shots and they're pissed for getting them. I know of a couple people that have had significant others die after getting all their suppressant shots and contracting covid.

Your blind faith that the suppressant shot saved rolfard's life is laughable. Did the shot help? Maybe....maybe not.

https://rlv.zcache.com/sarchasm_definition_button-r713c897ec79547239c78c018030b8491_k94rk_704.webp?r lvnet=1

[Alfster]

Are you an anti-vaxxer now because Trump has been calling for people to get vaccinated from day one? Gee big surprise there.

No. Not anti vaccine.

I'm just pointing out the people praising him for such a great job delivering the world's best vaccine are the same ones crying about the effectiveness of said vaccine.

Which is it? Amazing job or a shit vaccine. It can't be both

[Methais]

No. Not anti vaccine.

I'm just pointing out the people praising him for such a great job delivering the world's best vaccine are the same ones crying about the effectiveness of said vaccine.

Which is it? Amazing job or a shit vaccine. It can't be both

I don't disagree, but I hope you also realize that democrats are doing the exact same thing, just in the opposite direction.

You do realize this at least. Right? Or is that d-d-different?

[Alfster]

I don't disagree, but I hope you also realize that democrats are doing the exact same thing, just in the opposite direction.

You do realize this at least. Right? Or is that d-d-different?

I'm sure some are - absolutely. Not exactly sure what you're referencing exactly, but at one point many wouldn't take it due to trumps name on it.

Yet - tgo will continue to go on some retarded rant about how Trump effectively brought us this modern marvel of a vaccine.

Then his next paragraph will be complaining about a leaky diaper/vaccine.

Trumpers are more of a cult than a political movement. What dear leader does needs praise, irregardless of effectiveness. Place any and all blame on the other side

[Methais]

I'm sure some are - absolutely. Not exactly sure what you're referencing exactly, but at one point many wouldn't take it due to trumps name on it.

Yet - tgo will continue to go on some retarded rant about how Trump effectively brought us this modern marvel of a vaccine.

Then his next paragraph will be complaining about a leaky diaper/vaccine.

Trumpers are more of a cult than a political movement. What dear leader does needs praise, irregardless of effectiveness. Place any and all blame on the other side

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 99.9999999999999999% if not 100% of Tgo's issue is with the mandates, not the vaccine itself. Which would make sense since he says he's vaccinated already.

Don't act like only one side has degenerated into cult status over the past decade or so though. That's just being disingenuous at worst, ignorant at best. Both sides are massively retarded, just in different ways, and it's probably only going to keep getting worse.

[Gelston]

I'm against mandates. I'm fine with the vaccine. I'm dismayed that people are "doing their own research" by looking at random conspiracy youtube videos and website made by people with 0 medical background and calling it fact. Or you know, you'll see someone in scrubs that says they work at a hospital, but they work in the fucking billing department or something.

I'm fine with people questioning shit, but just making up shit or pretending to be a SME on something is fucking retarded. The basic biology courses I've taken in college gave me enough knowledge to see through most of this conspiracy shit.

[Methais]

Or you know, you'll see someone in scrubs that says they work at a hospital, but they work in the fucking billing department or something.

That reminds me of when Nyatherra was on LNet talking about how she "works in education" and it turned out she was just the lunch lady at a school. :lol:

[Neveragain]

That reminds me of when Nyatherra was on LNet talking about how she "works in education" and it turned out she was just the lunch lady at a school. :lol:

Nyatherra as a lunch lady just feels right in our current timeline.

[kutter]

I just heard Dr. Harvey Risch, professor of epidemiology at Yale, on a podcast say that vaccines will not get us out of this little illness we have going on here. According to him the only way out of the current situation is herd immunity, the vaccines do not provide permanent protection like antibodies from having the illness do and boosters will be required every 10 months.

I realize that this is not what the all powerful all knowing Fauci says, but his way has not worked for the past 21 months, all it has done is slow things down. I like my bandaids to come off fast so it is time to try something else. I mean there is no way to say if we really saved lives or only spread the life taking over a longer period so as to not overwhelm healthcare facilities. Risch was clear that at risk people should still get vaccinated but if you are just the average joe then no. I am inclined to think that he is on to something.

[drumpel]

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/twitter-suspends-mrna-inventor-dr-robert-malone

Here's the link that dr malone shared in his tweet:
https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/media-resources/the-pfizer-inoculations-for-covid-19-more-harm-than-good-2/

[Neveragain]

I just heard Dr. Harvey Risch, professor of epidemiology at Yale, on a podcast say that vaccines will not get us out of this little illness we have going on here. According to him the only way out of the current situation is herd immunity, the vaccines do not provide permanent protection like antibodies from having the illness do and boosters will be required every 10 months.

I realize that this is not what the all powerful all knowing Fauci says, but his way has not worked for the past 21 months, all it has done is slow things down. I like my bandaids to come off fast so it is time to try something else. I mean there is no way to say if we really saved lives or only spread the life taking over a longer period so as to not overwhelm healthcare facilities. Risch was clear that at risk people should still get vaccinated but if you are just the average joe then no. I am inclined to think that he is on to something.

The dude that developed mRNA tech has been very vocal about how using this "vaccine" in the middle of a pandemic will only further complicate the problems.

Call me crazy, but, I tend to listen to the actual scientists.

[Alfster]

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 99.9999999999999999% if not 100% of Tgo's issue is with the mandates, not the vaccine itself. Which would make sense since he says he's vaccinated already.

Don't act like only one side has degenerated into cult status over the past decade or so though. That's just being disingenuous at worst, ignorant at best. Both sides are massively retarded, just in different ways, and it's probably only going to keep getting worse.

Hes the one crying about the leaky vaccine, so even if he claims he's ONLY against mandates, his posting history shows otherwise.

[Tgo01]

No. Not anti vaccine.

I'm just pointing out the people praising him for such a great job delivering the world's best vaccine are the same ones crying about the effectiveness of said vaccine.

Which is it? Amazing job or a shit vaccine. It can't be both

It was amazing how fast the vaccine was produced. You can’t deny it is a modern day medical miracle that we got a working vaccine less than a year after the first case was reported in our country.

The vaccine itself is far from perfect though and even Trump says it should be up to each person whether or not they want to take it and they shouldn’t be forced to take it and he thinks the vaccine is the best thing ever.

[Tgo01]

I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure 99.9999999999999999% if not 100% of Tgo's issue is with the mandates, not the vaccine itself. Which would make sense since he says he's vaccinated already.

This is correct.

[Tgo01]

Hes the one crying about the leaky vaccine, so even if he claims he's ONLY against mandates, his posting history shows otherwise.

How is me pointing out that mandates are dumb because the vaccine is so leaky that more people have been infected and died since we have had the vaccine compared to before we had the vaccine?

Like I said before get the vaccine or don’t get the vaccine, I don’t give a single shit, but stop forcing and bullying people into getting a vaccine and comparing it to the small pox vaccine when the China virus vaccine isn’t nearly as effective.

[Neveragain]

Dr. Malone has been suspended from Twitter.

Edit: Sorry drumpel, I see you posted the link.

"Trust the science"

to

"Silence the science"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSjK2Oqrgic

[Seran]

Nonsense doctor suspended from Twitter for posting nonsensical information. Links posted on the website belonging to people pushing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, big surprise the crazies want you to take animal de-wormer and rinse out your nose twice a day to cure covid-19.

[Seran]

Mouthwash and nasal rinses as antivirals, brought to you from more antivaxxers protesting Twitter preventing spread of harmful misinformation.

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/WCH_Covid-19-At-Home-Treatment-Guide-For-Healthy-Individuals_1.pdf

[Neveragain]

Nonsense doctor suspended from Twitter for posting nonsensical information. Links posted on the website belonging to people pushing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, big surprise the crazies want you to take animal de-wormer and rinse out your nose twice a day to cure covid-19.

Imagine being so stupid that you call the creator of mDMA technology a "nonsense" doctor.

Imagine still calling ivermectin horse de-wormer.

Seran, the anti-science, local idiot.

[Tgo01]

Nonsense doctor suspended from Twitter for posting nonsensical information. Links posted on the website belonging to people pushing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, big surprise the crazies want you to take animal de-wormer and rinse out your nose twice a day to cure covid-19.

So Rachel Maddow should be fired from MSNBC immediately for spreading fake news about the vaccine right?

[Stanley Burrell]

I actually survived two COVID infections (and still have breathing issues almost two years later) before the shot was even available. I tested positive for antibodies over a year later but when faced with losing my job chose to get "vaccinated" anyway.

This is fucked. Admittedly, I only know two long-haulers who had the virus, but it's been fucking misery for them and I feel for you dude.

[LukeDuke]

Mouthwash and nasal rinses as antivirals, brought to you from more antivaxxers protesting Twitter preventing spread of harmful misinformation.

https://www.canadiancovidcarealliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/WCH_Covid-19-At-Home-Treatment-Guide-For-Healthy-Individuals_1.pdf

Am I reading this wrong, or does it say "antimicrobial" and not "antiviral"?

[LukeDuke]

Imagine being so stupid that you call the creator of mDMA technology a "nonsense" doctor.

Imagine still calling ivermectin horse de-wormer.

Seran, the anti-science, local idiot.

Success means nothing, only obedience matters.

[Seran]

So Rachel Maddow should be fired from MSNBC immediately for spreading fake news about the vaccine right?

What's up with you obsession with Rachel Maddow? You bring here up so much I think she must either owe you money or she has a restraining order against you.

[Seran]

Imagine being so stupid that you call the creator of mDMA technology a "nonsense" doctor.

Imagine still calling ivermectin horse de-wormer.

Seran, the anti-science, local idiot.

Imagine being so antivaxx obsessive that everytime some crazy goes against 95% of the rest of the scientific community over proven, effective treatment, you go absolutely right wing nut job about information suppression when their fake shit is deleted.

[Seran]

I think the real courage here are all the conservatives claiming a doctor who wrote a couple theoretical papers, and self admittedly states he did not invent mRNA technology is somehow the only credible source regarding mRNA vaccines. For the record, this man has never invented an mRNA treatment, had no hand in developing the mRNA vaccines in use today, and who is about as credible a source of mRNA vaccines as Al Gore on the invention of the internet.

[Tgo01]

What's up with you obsession with Rachel Maddow?

I just find it amusing how you're so concerned with people being canceled and banned from speaking on public platforms yet you seem to make an exception for Rachel Maddow when she spread the most dangerous of misinformation possible in regards to the China virus vaccine.

What ever could the reason be why you're giving her a pass? It really is a mystery.

[Seran]

I just find it amusing how you're so concerned with people being canceled and banned from speaking on public platforms yet you seem to make an exception for Rachel Maddow when she spread the most dangerous of misinformation possible in regards to the China virus vaccine.

What ever could the reason be why you're giving her a pass? It really is a mystery.

Your disgusting followers or alter egos are falsely claiming that vaccinations cause immunodeficiency, which is just flat out a lie. Saying that the barber of your uncle's, third cousin on your father's side has lupus after getting a vaccination is proof of absolutely shit, and yet you treat it like biblical verse. So fuck you and your anti vaccination rhetoric, I can give a literal fuck about what Rachel Maddow said about transmission rates, or that you're literally just regurgitating a Fox News headline from yesterday. You cretins are spreading /dangerous/ lies with nothing but anecdotes and half remembered tales from your mailman.

[Tgo01]

Your disgusting followers or alter egos are falsely claiming that vaccinations cause immunodeficiency, which is just flat out a lie. Saying that the barber of your uncle's, third cousin on your father's side has lupus after getting a vaccination is proof of absolutely shit, and yet you treat it like biblical verse. So fuck you and your anti vaccination rhetoric, I can give a literal fuck about what Rachel Maddow said about transmission rates, or that you're literally just regurgitating a Fox News headline from yesterday. You cretins are spreading /dangerous/ lies with nothing but anecdotes and half remembered tales from your mailman.

Blah blah blah.

Rachel Maddow lied and told people they wouldn't get infected and couldn't infect others. She put people in direct danger by telling them to go ahead and visit their elderly parents and sick newborns and don't worry because it's impossible for them to infect anyone else as long as they were vaccinated.

She is a disgusting human being who is probably responsible for tens of thousands of people getting sick and thousands dying because she just had to lie and act like she knows a single fucking thing she talks about. And your disgusting, worthless ass is here defending her saying she did nothing wrong while you worry about a bunch of random people on Facebook who say they don't want to take the vaccine.

The least a worthless human being such as you can do is to just admit that you don't care about saving lives and you never cared about another human being other than yourself. This whole thing is just a political tool for you to push your disgusting agenda. Your posts here prove this to be true each and every single day. Just own it already. Literally everyone with eyes can see this.

[Parkbandit]

Your disgusting followers or alter egos are falsely claiming that vaccinations cause immunodeficiency, which is just flat out a lie. Saying that the barber of your uncle's, third cousin on your father's side has lupus after getting a vaccination is proof of absolutely shit, and yet you treat it like biblical verse. So fuck you and your anti vaccination rhetoric, I can give a literal fuck about what Rachel Maddow said about transmission rates, or that you're literally just regurgitating a Fox News headline from yesterday. You cretins are spreading /dangerous/ lies with nothing but anecdotes and half remembered tales from your mailman.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e-_1HQb7LA&ab_channel=TheNewsJunkie%27sArchives

Literally she's spreading false information... but you can't muster up enough fuck to say she was wrong.

I'm shocked.

Really.

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2e-_1HQb7LA&ab_channel=TheNewsJunkie%27sArchives

Literally she's spreading false information... but you can't muster up enough fuck to say she was wrong.

I'm shocked.

Really.

Yeah but Fox News reported on it so apparently that means it didn't happen. This is the dumb logic Seran uses to make his way through life.

[Methais]

Hes the one crying about the leaky vaccine, so even if he claims he's ONLY against mandates, his posting history shows otherwise.

"Well yeah but.....no!" is what I'm getting out of this.

[Seran]

I'm sure Rachel Maddow will apologize the day half of the commentators on Fox News apologize for claiming Trump won the last election.

[Parkbandit]

I'm sure Rachel Maddow will apologize the day half of the commentators on Fox News apologize for claiming Trump won the last election.

You can't even muster up enough energy to type out a proper deflection.

Lazy and retarded is no way to go through life, Seran.

[Methais]

Nonsense doctor suspended from Twitter for posting nonsensical information. Links posted on the website belonging to people pushing hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, big surprise the crazies want you to take animal de-wormer and rinse out your nose twice a day to cure covid-19.

You still haven't realized that Ivermectin for humans also exists and has been around forever? :rofl:

Good god you're fucking stupid.

[Methais]

So Rachel Maddow should be fired from MSNBC immediately for spreading fake news about the vaccine right?

Allow me to answer for Serandroidpk...

"No! That's d-d-d-d-DIFFERENT YOU BIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Methais]

Your disgusting followers or alter egos are falsely claiming that vaccinations cause immunodeficiency, which is just flat out a lie. Saying that the barber of your uncle's, third cousin on your father's side has lupus after getting a vaccination is proof of absolutely shit, and yet you treat it like biblical verse. So fuck you and your anti vaccination rhetoric, I can give a literal fuck about what Rachel Maddow said about transmission rates, or that you're literally just regurgitating a Fox News headline from yesterday. You cretins are spreading /dangerous/ lies with nothing but anecdotes and half remembered tales from your mailman.

Seran's mad lolololol

[Flap]

Damn, a nice post AND a Good King W. reference. This is some good content. Y'all need to be less boring so I check the forums more often.

Ivermectin is not recommended for treatment of COVID. It IS a horse dewormer, though! Notice how Seran only said one of those things and nothing like "Ivermectin should never be used in humans!" A friend of mine is about to be put on Ivermectin. To protect against parasites. Because she has cancer.

[drumpel]

Damn, a nice post AND a Good King W. reference. This is some good content. Y'all need to be less boring so I check the forums more often.

Ivermectin is not recommended for treatment of COVID. It IS a horse dewormer, though! Notice how Seran only said one of those things and nothing like "Ivermectin should never be used in humans!" A friend of mine is about to be put on Ivermectin. To protect against parasites. Because she has cancer.

You really should read up on what ivermectin has been used for. Not only has it been used to improve the health of animals:

Today, ivermectin is being used to treat billions of livestock and pets around the world, helping to boost production of food and leather products, as well as keep billions of companion animals, particularly dogs and horses, healthy.

It also has human applications that are very beneficial.

Ivermectin proved to be even more of a ‘Wonder drug’ in human health, improving the nutrition, general health and wellbeing of billions of people worldwide ever since it was first used to treat Onchocerciasis in humans in 1988. It proved ideal in many ways, being highly effective and broad-spectrum, safe, well tolerated and could be easily administered (a single, annual oral dose). It is used to treat a variety of internal nematode infections, including Onchocerciasis, Strongyloidiasis, Ascariasis, cutaneous larva migrans, filariases, Gnathostomiasis and Trichuriasis, as well as for oral treatment of ectoparasitic infections, such as Pediculosis (lice infestation) and scabies (mite infestation).14) Ivermectin is the essential mainstay of two global disease elimination campaigns that should soon rid the world of two of its most disfiguring and devastating diseases, Onchocerciasis and Lymphatic filariasis, which blight the lives of billions of the poor and disadvantaged throughout the tropics. It is likely that, throughout the next decade, well over 200 million people will be taking the drug annually or semi-annually, via innovative globally-coordinated Mass Drug Administration (MDA) programmes. Indeed, the discovery, development and deployment of ivermectin, produced by an unprecedented partnership between the Private Sector pharmaceutical multinational Merck & Co. Inc., and the Public Sector Kitasato Institute in Tokyo, aided by an extraordinary coalition of multidisciplinary international partners and disease-affected communities, has been recognized by many experts and observers as one of the greatest medical accomplishments of the 20th century.15) In referring to the international efforts to tackle Onchocerciasis in which ivermectin is now the sole control tool, the UNESCO World Science Report concluded, “the progress that has been made in combating the disease represents one of the most triumphant public health campaigns ever waged in the developing world”.16)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/

People need to stop being ignorant about the drug and saying "it's a horse dewormer".

[Seran]

People need to stop using anti parasitic medication to treat or prevent coronavirus, period. Dozens of legitimate trials show very low confidence in its effectiveness, most giving it the same effectiveness as a placebo. Yet many of the antivaxxers and conservative outlets are still pushing its dangerous off label use. It's not effective for Covid-19.

[Methais]

big surprise the crazies want you to take animal de-wormer and rinse out your nose twice a day to cure covid-19.



Imagine still calling ivermectin horse de-wormer.



People need to stop using anti parasitic medication...

https://c.tenor.com/ePcMMBFhfC0AAAAC/brian-cox-laughing-at-you.gif

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I feel like I need to get and hoard some ivermectin in my apocalypse bunker.

[Neveragain]

Seran's mad lolololol

Wait until Seran finds out that the new oral medication being pushed for covid is a reformulation of ivermectin.

https://c.tenor.com/PJDPrAqO4p8AAAAM/thunder-jack-burton.gif

[Seran]

Now imagine being in a third world country unable to treat the parasitic worms under your skin, in your intestines or lungs because some conservative hillbillies in the US are stockpiling all the anti parasite medication that'd save your life. I'm sure as beef and lamb prices climb due to de-worming costs the rednecks might begin to notice.

[Neveragain]

Now imagine being in a third world country unable to treat the parasitic worms under your skin, in your intestines or lungs because some conservative hillbillies in the US are stockpiling all the anti parasite medication that'd save your life. I'm sure as beef and lamb prices climb due to de-worming costs the rednecks might begin to notice.

https://c.tenor.com/KgaNE2deR7UAAAAM/violin-tiny.gif

[Seran]

Wait until Seran finds out that the new oral medication being pushed for covid is a reformulation of ivermectin.


It's not, but try again another time grandpa.

[Methais]

Wait until Seran finds out that the new oral medication being pushed for covid is a reformulation of ivermectin.

https://c.tenor.com/PJDPrAqO4p8AAAAM/thunder-jack-burton.gif

Why would someone make that gif and leave out the best part? :wtf:


Now imagine being in a third world country unable to treat the parasitic worms under your skin, in your intestines or lungs because some conservative hillbillies in the US are stockpiling all the anti parasite medication that'd save your life. I'm sure as beef and lamb prices climb due to de-worming costs the rednecks might begin to notice.

Confirmed that Seran is just an elaborate troll who doesn't actually believe any of the shit he posts, because nobody on the planet, not even the theoretical test tube offspring of time4fun, cwolff, Estild, and Ashliana, could be this much of a little bitch.

[rolfard]

It's not, but try again another time grandpa.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

"A 5-day course of ivermectin was found to be safe and effective in treating adult patients with mild COVID-19. Larger trials will be needed to confirm these preliminary findings"

[Tgo01]

Now imagine being in a third world country unable to treat the parasitic worms under your skin, in your intestines or lungs because some conservative hillbillies in the US are stockpiling all the anti parasite medication that'd save your life. I'm sure as beef and lamb prices climb due to de-worming costs the rednecks might begin to notice.

Look at Seran once again pretending to give a single shit about anyone other than himself, especially poor brown and black people living in third world countries.

Seran: LOOOOOOL! Look at all of these dumb conservashits eating horse paste and dying! LOL!!!!
Also Seran: Ivermectin is a very serious and life saving drug and the people who really need it can't get it now because of some hillbillies eating it!!!!11!!!!

[Seran]

Ivermectin compared to placebo or standard of care for inpatient COVID-19 treatment We are uncertain whether ivermectin compared to placebo or standard of care reduces or increases mortality (risk ratio (RR) 0.60, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.14 to 2.51


Ivermectin may have little or no effect compared to placebo or standard of care on clinical improvement up to 28 days (RR 1.03, 95% CI 0.78 to 1.35


We are uncertain whether ivermectin compared to placebo or standard of care reduces or increases mortality up to 28 days (RR 0.33, 95% CI 0.01 to 8.05


Ivermectin may have little or no effect compared to placebo or standard of care on the number of participants with symptoms resolved up to 14 days (RR 1.04, 95% CI 0.89 to 1.21

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/


We recommend not to use ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except in the context of a clinical trial.

Therapeutics and COVID-19 LIVING GUIDELINE - World Health Organization


The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.
Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19. Clinical trials assessing ivermectin tablets for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in people are ongoing.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

[rolfard]

[QUO

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8248252/TE=Seran;2238191]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34318930/



Therapeutics and COVID-19 LIVING GUIDELINE - World Health Organization



https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19[/QUOTE]

https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/exclusives/94325

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210506/covid-patient-in-coma-gets-ivermectin-after-court-order

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/

https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/tables/ivermectin-data/

[Seran]

No rolftard, your clinically unsound, very low reliability studies from third world ghettos is not evidence of ivermectins effectiveness. Please see above guidance from /actual/ scientific organizations. Also, that website hosting that nonsense are the one I quoted a page back from beings screamingly antivax and pushing for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin dosing, with a hot shot of nedi pot. They're quacks. Like you.

[Orthin]

I feel like I need to get and hoard some ivermectin in my apocalypse bunker.

It's expensive for small ass doses (have to use it monthly for my alpacas because we live in white tail deer areas) and what you can buy off the shelf probably isn't great for you since all the "over the counter" ivermectin is most likely the 1% or the 1.something% ivermectin injectable or the horse paste (which despite its name can be used for lots of animals). You would probably need something prescribed, maybe like my face cream which has ivermectin in it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

third world ghettos

There's the racist liberal I expected to hear from.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

It's expensive for small ass doses (have to use it monthly for my alpacas because we live in white tail deer areas) and what you can buy off the shelf probably isn't great for you since all the "over the counter" ivermectin is most likely the 1% or the 1.something% ivermectin injectable or the horse paste (which despite its name can be used for lots of animals). You would probably need something prescribed, maybe like my face cream which has ivermectin in it.

I was kidding, but if you can get me some bulk antibiotics I'd keep them in a cool dark part of my bunker in some vacuum sealed space bags...

[Tgo01]

very low reliability studies from third world ghettos

I would be willing to bet money that Seran is one of those people who cried about what a racist Trump is for supposedly saying "shithole countries" and look at him now.

[Orthin]

I was kidding, but if you can get me some bulk antibiotics I'd keep them in a cool dark part of my bunker in some vacuum sealed space bags...

I may need to stock up myself. FDA passed a new law that will go in effect I believe in 2023 and ivermectin and some other drugs will no longer be readily available, all of them will have to come through the vet.

[Latrinsorm]

It's new, it's different, it deserves recognition as such

why?

what about the difference is "significant" if the results are exactly the same as what you consider real vaccines?

to reiterate, those results are:
1. when vaccinated people reach a sufficient % of the population no one is at any risk
2. "sufficient" is arithmetically determined by the contagiousness of the particular disease
3. when that threshold is not reached, vaccinated people are still at risk, but at less risk than unvaccinated people

.

a thousand americans are dying every day who would not be if we merely reached the vaccination levels of portugal

imagine how many we would save if, instead of merely tying portugal and canada and those other soft socialist babies, we led the world as is our birthright and obligation as americans

[Latrinsorm]

The smallpox vaccine prevented infection in over 95% of the people who received the vaccine. This is why we were able to eradicate the virus because it ran out of hosts to infect.

The China virus vaccine is so leaky that more people were infected and died the year in which we had a vaccine compared to the first year the virus was discovered.

If anything a leaky vaccine could be worse than no vaccine at all. It's the same principle for why superbugs are created: people don't properly take their antibiotics which allows bacteria to build up a resistance to that particular antibiotic.

I don't think you're making the point you think you're making here.

the COVID vaccine prevented infection in over 98% of the americans who received it

when you say "we" had a vaccine, which "we" are you referring to, sport?

[Latrinsorm]

100% "vaccinated" USS Milwaukee crew now sidelined because of covid outbreak.

For the love of humanity will you seek counseling for your mysophobia.

and when 100% vaccinated groups of Europeans interacted with 0% vaccinated other groups of Europeans, some of the 100% vaccinated died of small pox anyway

because 100% of a subgroup is, and has always been, irrelevant to eradication

.

meanwhile, the impartial observer will note that 0 of those 100% vaccinated Milwaukeeanus have died

meanwhile, puppets like you will breathlessly froth at the mouth on command whenever what you're told is proof like this comes along (which is lucky, since breathing in froth is pretty bad for you)

[Latrinsorm]

I just heard Dr. Harvey Risch, professor of epidemiology at Yale, on a podcast say that vaccines will not get us out of this little illness we have going on here. According to him the only way out of the current situation is herd immunity, the vaccines do not provide permanent protection like antibodies from having the illness do and boosters will be required every 10 months.

I realize that this is not what the all powerful all knowing Fauci says, but his way has not worked for the past 21 months, all it has done is slow things down. I like my bandaids to come off fast so it is time to try something else. I mean there is no way to say if we really saved lives or only spread the life taking over a longer period so as to not overwhelm healthcare facilities. Risch was clear that at risk people should still get vaccinated but if you are just the average joe then no. I am inclined to think that he is on to something.

there are 10,000,000 at risk americans

either you think there have been 10,000,000 covid deaths, or you think we have really saved 9,000,000 lives

if it's the latter, you cannot possibly countenance "antibodies from having the illness" without simultaneously consigning 9,000,000 americans to death

have it your way

[Tgo01]

the COVID vaccine prevented infection in over 98% of the americans who received it

And yet in one Michigan hospital system one third of the COVID patients are fully vaccinated. And those are just the ones who got infected and sick enough to require treatment, saying nothing of the number of people who got infected and showed no symptoms or very mild symptoms which didn’t require hospitalization.

Do you always pull facts out directly from your rectum?

[Neveragain]

there are 10,000,000 at risk americans

either you think there have been 10,000,000 covid deaths, or you think we have really saved 9,000,000 lives

if it's the latter, you cannot possibly countenance "antibodies from having the illness" without simultaneously consigning 9,000,000 americans to death

have it your way

Prof. of epidemiology from Yale or Latrinsorm that shows a long history of suffering from mysophobia. :ponder:

[Seran]

Prof. of epidemiology from Yale or Latrinsorm that shows a long history of suffering from mysophobia. :ponder:

What's sad is your ability to retort is limited to insults rather than informed argument. Try adulting sometime.

[Parkbandit]

What's sad is your ability to retort is limited to insults rather than informed argument. Try adulting sometime.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/IfZpF5fUnQS0o/200.gif


No rolftard, your clinically unsound, very low reliability studies from third world ghettos is not evidence of ivermectins effectiveness. Please see above guidance from /actual/ scientific organizations. Also, that website hosting that nonsense are the one I quoted a page back from beings screamingly antivax and pushing for hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin dosing, with a hot shot of nedi pot. They're quacks. Like you.

http://badbooksgoodtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/self-awareness-gif.gif

[Neveragain]

What's sad is your ability to retort is limited to insults rather than informed argument. Try adulting sometime.

Let's see, Prof. of epidemiology from Yale or Seran, the local idiot. :thinking:

[Flap]

LMAO at the number of un-signed reps criticizing my post. Talk about lacking courage!

Oh no, I will be even more red now! What will I EVER do????

[Seran]

The passive aggressive rep comments have always been amusing, but somewhere, someone is fantasizing about how much their negative comment ruined your day.

[Flap]

Ugh. This thread is so sad. Bless you, Latrin, for putting up with these fools.

[Wrathbringer]

no one cares

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

LMAO at the number of un-signed reps criticizing my post. Talk about lacking courage!

Oh no, I will be even more red now! What will I EVER do????

Rep hasn't been anonymous for years.

How dumb are you?

[Neveragain]

The passive aggressive rep comments have always been amusing, but somewhere, someone is fantasizing about how much their negative comment ruined your day.

I don't think you know what passive aggressive means.

Nobody has an issue with openly calling you the local idiot.

[Methais]

I don't think you know what passive aggressive means.

Nobody has an issue with openly calling you the local idiot.

Seran just throws words and phrases out there while having no idea what it means 99% of the time.

It's because he's a fucking idiot.

[Seran]

I don't think you know what passive aggressive means.

Nobody has an issue with openly calling you the local idiot.

I love you too sweetie.

[Latrinsorm]

And yet in one Michigan hospital system one third of the COVID patients are fully vaccinated. And those are just the ones who got infected and sick enough to require treatment, saying nothing of the number of people who got infected and showed no symptoms or very mild symptoms which didn’t require hospitalization.

Do you always pull facts out directly from your rectum?

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people
one third of people who are sick are vaccinated

that was lazy even for you

.

of course, one michigan hospital system might not be representative of the overall united states, so let's look at the overall united states

200m americans were vaccinated
30m americans got COVID
unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get COVID
therefore 5m vaccinated americans got COVID
5/200 = 2.5%, so vaccine prevented infection in 97.5%

'but hang on lorstinrom, you said over 98%!'

i also said 200m americans WERE vaccinated
but as we know, vaccines wear off
therefore the first 160m are in point of fact not vaccinated unless they got boosters
as we also know, only 70m have done so
therefore a very large proportion of vaccinated infections are actually "vaccinated" infections, perhaps even the majority
while we can't know exactly how many, we know for sure it is enough to bring the number over 98%

.

none of which matters

we could also talk about how the unvaccinated are 14x as likely to die from COVID, but that doesn't matter either

people like you who can't even bring themselves to talk about the obvious and unambiguous truth will by definition never have the courage to act on it

if enough other people put in the work, you can keep coasting through a coddled life, spending the rest of it smugly telling the rest of us how overblown and insignificant it all really was

and i genuinely pray that's the outcome we end up with

but i wouldn't bet on it

[Parkbandit]

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people
one third of people who are sick are vaccinated

that was lazy even for you

.

of course, one michigan hospital system might not be representative of the overall united states, so let's look at the overall united states

200m americans were vaccinated
30m americans got COVID
unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get COVID
therefore 5m vaccinated americans got COVID
5/200 = 2.5%, so vaccine prevented infection in 97.5%

'but hang on lorstinrom, you said over 98%!'

i also said 200m americans WERE vaccinated
but as we know, vaccines wear off
therefore the first 160m are in point of fact not vaccinated unless they got boosters
as we also know, only 70m have done so
therefore a very large proportion of vaccinated infections are actually "vaccinated" infections, perhaps even the majority
while we can't know exactly how many, we know for sure it is enough to bring the number over 98%

.

none of which matters

we could also talk about how the unvaccinated are 14x as likely to die from COVID, but that doesn't matter either

people like you who can't even bring themselves to talk about the obvious and unambiguous truth will by definition never have the courage to act on it

if enough other people put in the work, you can keep coasting through a coddled life, spending the rest of it smugly telling the rest of us how overblown and insignificant it all really was

and i genuinely pray that's the outcome we end up with

but i wouldn't bet on it

Lazy is not using proper punctuation or capital letters.

Be better Latrinsorm.

[Gelston]

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people
one third of people who are sick are vaccinated

that was lazy even for you

.

of course, one michigan hospital system might not be representative of the overall united states, so let's look at the overall united states

200m americans were vaccinated
30m americans got COVID
unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get COVID
therefore 5m vaccinated americans got COVID
5/200 = 2.5%, so vaccine prevented infection in 97.5%

'but hang on lorstinrom, you said over 98%!'

i also said 200m americans WERE vaccinated
but as we know, vaccines wear off
therefore the first 160m are in point of fact not vaccinated unless they got boosters
as we also know, only 70m have done so
therefore a very large proportion of vaccinated infections are actually "vaccinated" infections, perhaps even the majority
while we can't know exactly how many, we know for sure it is enough to bring the number over 98%

.

none of which matters

we could also talk about how the unvaccinated are 14x as likely to die from COVID, but that doesn't matter either

people like you who can't even bring themselves to talk about the obvious and unambiguous truth will by definition never have the courage to act on it

if enough other people put in the work, you can keep coasting through a coddled life, spending the rest of it smugly telling the rest of us how overblown and insignificant it all really was

and i genuinely pray that's the outcome we end up with

but i wouldn't bet on it

Do you seriously think you are accomplishing anything here?

Or is it just giving you a false sense of accomplishment?

[Seran]

Do you seriously think you are accomplishing anything here?

Or is it just giving you a false sense of accomplishment?

Probably because Latrin hasn't realized most of you know and accept the truth, but you're just trolling due to a lack of sex and boredom.

[Gelston]

Probably because Latrin hasn't realized most of you know and accept the truth, but you're just trolling due to a lack of sex and boredom.

No, my wife loves to bang and I have plenty of other things to keep me from being bored.

That is probably his reason for posting all this shit though. And probably yours since it was at the forefront of your mind.

[drumpel]

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people
one third of people who are sick are vaccinated
of course, one michigan hospital system might not be representative of the overall united states, so let's look at the overall united states

200m americans were vaccinated
30m americans got COVID
unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get COVID
therefore 5m vaccinated americans got COVID
5/200 = 2.5%, so vaccine prevented infection in 97.5%



So you know for certain that all those people that were given the suppressant shot were actively in contact with Covid and they all resisted it because they has the suppressant shot?

That's one hell of a control group you have going on there. I wish Pfizer was able to get in on your control group of people with the shot and without the shot so they could see how you're running your group - making sure everyone is equally exposed to covid in the shot and placebo group. Then to properly monitor each individual and do testing on all subjects to ensure that they're not infected and/or carrying the virus......

Oh wait, Pfizer couldn't even do that and they only presented the numbers that made their suppressant shot look good so it could be mass produced and get billions and billions of dollars from all the stupid ass government bodies around the world.

You should perhaps do yourself a solid and actually read up on things and not just take everything the CDC/FDA/Media/Government throws at you at face value. You wouldn't come off as such as douche in your posts. You come off as sounding like a Pfizer rep instead of an educated person. It's okay to question, don't let others tell you otherwise.

I'm not saying the suppressant shot doesn't help, but I don't believe all the bullshit that's being shoveled and I for sure know they won't and never will divulge all the actual negative side effects of these shots. When you know someone that's in the medical field and they thought getting the shot for herself and her significant other, it would help protect them.....they both get their shots and then her SO dies less than 2 days later from heart failure after the second shot; he never had any heart issues and heart disease didn't run in his family. well, you should be questioning if the shots are actually beneficial enough to be allowed to be given out, especially to children. Then when these companies turn around and say get booster after booster because the benefits of the shot don't last or they say the shot isn't good enough so get a booster because it might help....? Yeah....no thanks.

[Alfster]

So you know for certain that all those people that were given the suppressant shot were actively in contact with Covid and they all resisted it because they has the suppressant shot?

That's one hell of a control group you have going on there. I wish Pfizer was able to get in on your control group of people with the shot and without the shot so they could see how you're running your group - making sure everyone is equally exposed to covid in the shot and placebo group. Then to properly monitor each individual and do testing on all subjects to ensure that they're not infected and/or carrying the virus......

Oh wait, Pfizer couldn't even do that and they only presented the numbers that made their suppressant shot look good so it could be mass produced and get billions and billions of dollars from all the stupid ass government bodies around the world.

You should perhaps do yourself a solid and actually read up on things and not just take everything the CDC/FDA/Media/Government throws at you at face value. You wouldn't come off as such as douche in your posts. You come off as sound like a Pfizer rep instead of an educated person. It's okay to question, don't let others tell you otherwise.

I'm not saying the suppressant shot doesn't help, but I don't believe all the bullshit that's being shoveled and I for sure know they won't and never will divulge all the actual negative side effects of these shots. When you know someone that's in the medical field and they thought getting the shot for herself and her significant would help protect them.....they both get their shots and then their SO dies less than 2 days later from heart failure after the second shot, he never had any heart issues and heart disease didn't run in his family.....well, you should be questioning if the shots are actually beneficial enough to be allowed to be given out, especially to children. Then when these companies turn around and say get booster after booster because the benefits of the shot don't last or they say the shot isn't good enough so get a booster because it might help....? Yeah....no thanks.

Lol

[Tisket]

Lazy is not using proper punctuation or capital letters.

Be better, Latrinsorm.

Fixed that for you!

Scurrying away now.

[Tgo01]

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people

I literally haven't laughed out loud this hard over something I read on the internet in a long time.

So basically what you're saying is 96% of people won't get infected anyways, vaccinated or not? So the vaccine is a whopping 2% more effective than no vaccine at all?

I really needed this laugh, Latrin, so thanks.

[Bhaalizmo]

I literally haven't laughed out loud this hard over something I read on the internet in a long time.

So basically what you're saying is 96% of people won't get infected anyways, vaccinated or not? So the vaccine is a whopping 2% more effective than no vaccine at all?

I really needed this laugh, Latrin, so thanks.

Whenever you say something like "So, basically what you're saying..."

The answer is no. No, that's not basically what the person said. That's your preamble to making up whatever you want to place on them.

[Tgo01]

Whenever you say something like "So, basically what you're saying..."

The answer is no. No, that's not basically what the person said. That's your preamble to making up whatever you want to place on them.

My bad, from now on I'll say "So what you're exactly saying is..." because that's exactly what Latrin said.

Just like Seran needs to stop commenting on topics he doesn't understand, can you please go back to school to brush up on your reading comprehension? Thanks.

[Parkbandit]

My bad, from now on I'll say "So what you're exactly saying is..." because that's exactly what Latrin said.

Just like Seran needs to stop commenting on topics he doesn't understand, can you please go back to school to brush up on your reading comprehension? Thanks.

"Brush up on" makes the reader believe that Bhaalizmo once grasped that easy concept.

SPOILER: He never had that skill.

[Bhaalizmo]

"Brush up on" makes the reader believe that Bhaalizmo once grasped that easy concept.

SPOILER: He never had that skill.

SPOILER: That's one of PBs 3 or 4 canned responses, and can be applied to a response from any user not on the right wing side of this forum. Next up, we'll get a waste of space "This is Correct" from a PB sycophant.

Great work there. Keep at it.

[Parkbandit]

SPOILER: That's one of PBs 3 or 4 canned responses, and can be applied to a response from any user not on the right wing side of this forum. Next up, we'll get a waste of space "This is Correct" from a PB sycophant.

Great work there. Keep at it.

You're just upset because it's true.

You'll get over it.

[Bhaalizmo]

You're just upset because it's true.

You'll get over it.

Really working hard today, eh? Pulling from that bag of 3 or 4 tricks. Do you just copy and paste?

It's ok, nobody expects much from you gramps.

[Methais]

100 people get vaccinated, 2 get sick
100 people don't get vaccinated, 4 get sick

the vaccine prevents infection in 98% of vaccinated people
one third of people who are sick are vaccinated

that was lazy even for you

.

of course, one michigan hospital system might not be representative of the overall united states, so let's look at the overall united states

200m americans were vaccinated
30m americans got COVID
unvaccinated are 5x as likely to get COVID
therefore 5m vaccinated americans got COVID
5/200 = 2.5%, so vaccine prevented infection in 97.5%

'but hang on lorstinrom, you said over 98%!'

i also said 200m americans WERE vaccinated
but as we know, vaccines wear off
therefore the first 160m are in point of fact not vaccinated unless they got boosters
as we also know, only 70m have done so
therefore a very large proportion of vaccinated infections are actually "vaccinated" infections, perhaps even the majority
while we can't know exactly how many, we know for sure it is enough to bring the number over 98%

.

none of which matters

we could also talk about how the unvaccinated are 14x as likely to die from COVID, but that doesn't matter either

people like you who can't even bring themselves to talk about the obvious and unambiguous truth will by definition never have the courage to act on it

if enough other people put in the work, you can keep coasting through a coddled life, spending the rest of it smugly telling the rest of us how overblown and insignificant it all really was

and i genuinely pray that's the outcome we end up with

but i wouldn't bet on it

We should hang out for a day just so I can see if you're even 1% as retarded in real life as you are on here.

[Methais]

Really working hard today, eh? Pulling from that bag of 3 or 4 tricks.

Irony coming from the most uncreative and most butthurt loser on here. :lol:

[Seran]

My bad, from now on I'll say "So what you're exactly saying is..." because that's exactly what Latrin said.

Just like Seran needs to stop commenting on topics he doesn't understand, can you please go back to school to brush up on your reading comprehension? Thanks.

Just because you don't understand the topics being discussed or bother to research to alleviate your own ignorance doesn't mean the rest of us are a simpleton like you are.

[Methais]

Probably because Latrin hasn't realized most of you know and accept the truth, but you're just trolling due to a lack of sex and boredom.

Seran's scraping the bottom of the barrel with his attempts at insults now. :rofl:

Like that random fat chick who's like "You're just mad because you can't fuck me!" while the people she's shrieking at are literally throwing up at her appearance.

I know you suck Seran and that you can't help it, but at least try to not suck once in a while.

[Gelston]

We should hang out for a day just so I can see if you're even 1% as retarded in real life as you are on here.

You will probably give him COVID. Reported for attempted murder.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

No, my wife loves to bang and I have plenty of other things to keep me from being bored.

That is probably his reason for posting all this shit though. And probably yours since it was at the forefront of your mind.

I was going to come in all hot with the "your wife does love to bang" but I feel like too much time has passed. On a different note, my wife also loves to bang and I was thinking your logic is sound in this response.

Remind me though, is Seran the one who talks ad nauseum about his/her partner and all the thruple sex they are having, or is that Flap? I honestly cannot recall. One of them at least feels like it's something we need to hear about every day.

[Seran]

I've never brought up my sex life, too personal. A competent stalker has probably noted I've discussed the area I live, what sort of profession I'm in and that /shocker/ I'm a registered Democrat. Beyond that, these forums are way too heated to reveal much, not that anyone would care.

[Tgo01]

Just because you don't understand the topics being discussed or bother to research to alleviate your own ignorance doesn't mean the rest of us are a simpleton like you are.

Show me the stats (real stats not your “expert” stats) that shows only 2% of vaccinated people have been infected. Yeah that’s what I thought. Shut the fuck up.

[Stolis]

You will probably give him COVID. Reported for attempted murder.

"You must spread some reputation around before giving it to Gelston again"

[Bhaalizmo]

You will probably give him COVID. Reported for attempted murder.

Seems legit.

Fucker killed Betty White after all.

[Seran]

Show me the stats (real stats not your “expert” stats) that shows only 2% of vaccinated people have been infected. Yeah that’s what I thought. Shut the fuck up.

The data exists, but unfortunately your science denial doesn't make it go away.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/breakthrough-infections-coronavirus-after-vaccination

[Tgo01]

The data exists, but unfortunately your science denial doesn't make it go away.

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/breakthrough-infections-coronavirus-after-vaccination

From your link:


A study in Washington state gathered data from over 4 million fully vaccinated people. The data showed a rate of about 1 in 5,000 experienced a breakthrough infection between January 17 and August 21, 2021.

When you actually click on the link they provided:


This methodology identifies cases by matching Washington Immunization Information Systems (IIS) data with new positive COVID tests to identify confirmed breakthrough cases.

So they are only counting people who tested positive, they aren't counting the people who showed no symptoms so had no reason to get tested or people who showed minor symptoms and again didn't get tested.

Also perhaps I just missed it but I didn't see anywhere in that link where it said the data covered 4 million fully vaccinated people.

This isn't to knock the study, it's to knock the clearly obviously politically slanted link you provided which is drawing conclusions from data that doesn't exist.

Again show me the data and not your "expert" data.

[Seran]

From your link:



When you actually click on the link they provided:



So they are only counting people who tested positive, they aren't counting the people who showed no symptoms so had no reason to get tested or people who showed minor symptoms and again didn't get tested.

Also perhaps I just missed it but I didn't see anywhere in that link where it said the data covered 4 million fully vaccinated people.

This isn't to knock the study, it's to knock the clearly obviously politically slanted link you provided which is drawing conclusions from data that doesn't exist.

Again show me the data and not your "expert" data.

Why yes, the study specifically states it uses the CONFIRMED cases. That you would be more comfortable if they somehow made up a number of undiagnosed covid-19 breakthrough cases to appeal to your moon logic political conspiracy theory is irrelevant.

You were shown the only relevant data, but as expected you think it's bogus for no good reason. But thanks for proving for the audience how much of a science denier you are.

[Tgo01]

Why yes, the study specifically states it uses the CONFIRMED cases. That you would be more comfortable if they somehow made up a number of undiagnosed covid-19 breakthrough cases to appeal to your moon logic political conspiracy theory is irrelevant.

I would be more comfortable if they did a thorough study. You do realize it is literally impossible that each and every infected person gets tested right? You do know this right? You’re not this much of a dumbass right?

[Seran]

I would be more comfortable if they did a thorough study. You do realize it is literally impossible that each and every infected person gets tested right? You do know this right? You’re not this much of a dumbass right?

What scientific relevance would there be to there guessing what the number of unconfirmed breakthrough cases is? If the only evidence to explain what the Breakthrough rate is is the number of confirmed cases thhen extrapolating on confirmed cases should be at the exact same ratio

[Tgo01]

What scientific relevance would there be to there guessing what the number of unconfirmed breakthrough cases is?

You do know they do shit like this all the time right? We put a man on the moon, split the atom, and created a computer that can fit in the palm of our hands, yet we can’t research this vaccine to see how effective it is?

But that’s just the thing isn’t it? You don’t want a complete study because it would go against your narrative. Incomplete data only!

[Seran]

You do know they do shit like this all the time right? We put a man on the moon, split the atom, and created a computer that can fit in the palm of our hands, yet we can’t research this vaccine to see how effective it is?

But that’s just the thing isn’t it? You don’t want a complete study because it would go against your narrative. Incomplete data only!

Only you say it's incomplete. You're literally asking to prove something is correct by inputting false data. Your analogy regarding a man on the moon really? To put your nonsense in perspective, the only way to prove that we put a man on the moon is to show all the ways putting a man on the moon was faked.

[Tgo01]

Only you say it's incomplete.

You just got done admitting it only counts confirmed positive tests and scoffed at the idea of researching this to see how many fully vaccinated people get infected but don't get tested. That is the exact definition of incomplete data. But let me guess, you want to redefine the word "incomplete" to conform to your agenda right? That seems to be the left's M.O. these days.

[Seran]

You just got done admitting it only counts confirmed positive tests and scoffed at the idea of researching this to see how many fully vaccinated people get infected but don't get tested. That is the exact definition of incomplete data. But let me guess, you want to redefine the word "incomplete" to conform to your agenda right? That seems to be the left's M.O. these days.

You're saying the only way to confirm something's efficacy is by the addition of unquantifiable data. That literally makes no sense whatsoever. Before you get into a relationship, do you postulate just how much better your relationship would be with all of the other people you've never met before? "I'm sorry honey, but I can't marry you because there might be someone I've never met might be more compatible with me."

[Tgo01]

You're saying the only way to confirm something's efficacy is by the addition of unquantifiable data.

Again they have ways to research this. Get a random sample of vaccinated people and test them for antibodies that are produced when infected with the China virus. Ask them if they experienced some of the more common symptoms since they have been vaccinated. Do this on a regular basis in addition to relying on positive test results (but obviously don't count both for the same person.) They can then extrapolate this data.

They do shit like this. All. The. Fucking. Time.

You think when they do polls they literally poll each and every single person in the poll? Or do they just rely on a much smaller sample size and extrapolate?

Psst! It's the latter!

They have entire fields of study dedicated to doing shit exactly like this because this is useful information to have.

But I guess in the era of the left losing their fucking minds over the China virus we just throw all that out the window because it might make the vaccines look less effective than if we just rely on confirmed positive test results alone.

[Tgo01]

This is interesting though, this is NY state's China virus stats:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data


446,895 laboratory-confirmed breakthrough cases of COVID-19 among fully-vaccinated people in New York State, which corresponds to 3.4% of the population of fully-vaccinated people 12-years or older.

So NY state says 3.4% of fully vaccinated people in their state have tested positive. And once again this is just the number of people who have received a positive test result, saying nothing of the people who never got tested. Shit how many people just know they have COVID but have chosen to self isolate instead of getting tested first? I'm betting there are a lot of them.

NY's official stats prove your 99% effective stat wrong and Latrin's 98% effective stat wrong. NY state, you know that bastion of conservatism.

[Seran]

Again they have ways to research this. Get a random sample of vaccinated people and test them for antibodies that are produced when infected with the China virus. Ask them if they experienced some of the more common symptoms since they have been vaccinated. Do this on a regular basis in addition to relying on positive test results (but obviously don't count both for the same person.) They can then extrapolate this data.

You don't like the results and so you're demanding a redo? It's just struck me that this is the same rationality for you Trumpers who think he's actually won the 2020 election. As if it were at all rational to replace the actual, verified data of a half a million records with a random poll? My God, you're insane.

[Seran]

This is interesting though, this is NY state's China virus stats:

https://coronavirus.health.ny.gov/covid-19-breakthrough-data



So NY state says 3.4% of fully vaccinated people in their state have tested positive. And once again this is just the number of people who have received a positive test result, saying nothing of the people who never got tested. Shit how many people just know they have COVID but have chosen to self isolate instead of getting tested first? I'm betting there are a lot of them.

NY's official stats prove your 99% effective stat wrong and Latrin's 98% effective stat wrong. NY state, you know that bastion of conservatism.

I like one set of data is wrong because it doesn't include theorized unreported infections, but a second set of data is somehow more accurate, even though it still doesn't include theorized unreported infections. Only 1-3% of fully vaccinated people actually see breakthrough infections, and yet you still deny vaccine mandates are the way out of this pandemic. Look out now, but the hypocrisy police are coming for you.

[Tgo01]

Dude, Seran, my guy. I think I've embarrassed you enough already and to be honest this isn't even remotely fun anymore. You take all the fun out of it when you keep coming back for more abuse like this without even taking a breath. Please try to spread your dumbassery out over a longer period next time. Let us savor your dumbassness.

[Tgo01]

Okay I lied, one more post just for you, Seran.

Nation averaging 550,000 reported infections per day (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nation-now-averaging-550-000-new-infections-per-day-biden-tells-vaccinated-people-you-are-highly-protected-live-covid-updates/ar-AASpHvL?cvid=17136e0e79014581bf5dbaa22c3779fb)


The U.S. is now averaging about 550,000 newly reported infections per day over the last week. Johns Hopkins University data shows high testing positivity across much of the country, an indication that testing capacity is far outstripped and many counts are far short of reality.

We're averaging 550k new infections per day and that number is "far short of reality."

Seran: But...but but but but why look into how many vaccinated people are being infected but aren't getting tested? It's good enough the way it is!!1111!!11!!!

[Seran]

Dude, Seran, my guy. I think I've embarrassed you enough already and to be honest this isn't even remotely fun anymore. You take all the fun out of it when you keep coming back for more abuse like this without even taking a breath. Please try to spread your dumbassery out over a longer period next time. Let us savor your dumbassness.

I'm pretty embarrassed about your ability to understand common concepts like accurate versus inaccurate, you're definitely right there. Keep tryin buddy, one day you might learn something if you actually read our posts. :)

[Seran]

Okay I lied, one more post just for you, Seran.

Nation averaging 550,000 reported infections per day (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/nation-now-averaging-550-000-new-infections-per-day-biden-tells-vaccinated-people-you-are-highly-protected-live-covid-updates/ar-AASpHvL?cvid=17136e0e79014581bf5dbaa22c3779fb)



We're averaging 550k new infections per day and that number is "far short of reality."

Seran: But...but but but but why look into how many vaccinated people are being infected but aren't getting tested? It's good enough the way it is!!1111!!11!!!

With a 1-3% breakthrough rate and a hospitalization rate of .015% for us fully vaxxed, I think you ought to be worried about the Republican party simply ceasing to exist due to massive Covid-19 deaths. It's like your party is the Golden Horde, but instead of launching diseased corpses into Kaffa, they're taking turns launching them at each other, then blaming the city for not helping them kill themselves faster.

[Neveragain]

With a 1-3% breakthrough rate and a hospitalization rate of .015% for us fully vaxxed, I think you ought to be worried about the Republican party simply ceasing to exist due to massive Covid-19 deaths. It's like your party is the Golden Horde, but instead of launching diseased corpses into Kaffa, they're taking turns launching them at each other, then blaming the city for not helping them kill themselves faster.

Covid could continue on at this rate for a decade and still not even come close to killing as many children as Democrats have over the past 50 years.

[Parkbandit]

I've never brought up my sex life, too personal. A competent stalker has probably noted I've discussed the area I live, what sort of profession I'm in and that /shocker/ I'm a registered Democrat. Beyond that, these forums are way too heated to reveal much, not that anyone would care.

If history is a gauge, it's the Democrats you should worry the most about being doxxed by.

Republicans are too busy to give a shit about someone like you.

[drumpel]

With a 1-3% breakthrough rate and a hospitalization rate of .015% for us fully vaxxed, I think you ought to be worried about the Republican party simply ceasing to exist due to massive Covid-19 deaths. It's like your party is the Golden Horde, but instead of launching diseased corpses into Kaffa, they're taking turns launching them at each other, then blaming the city for not helping them kill themselves faster.

You do understand that the suppressant shot was designed for the original strands, right? Why do you think the shots are very ineffective against delta and omicron variants?

When you read stories that say, but getting a booster shot may increase protection by 25 fold......what the fuck does 25 fold even mean? By 25x of what? If it's a fraction of a percent and a booster may give a 25 fold increase in protection means that's such a miniscule amount, which is why they (big pharm) are not offering up actual numbers. They want to sell that suppressant shot and keep making money, even if the usefulness of their drug is miniscule.

You also do understand that big pharm owns the research data acquired through trials and that they (big pharm) write up their "conclusions" on the results and they give their "conclusions" out for peer reviewing? No one, outside of big pharms gets the see the actual data they've collected. No one outside of big pharms gets to dictate how their test trials are handled....big pharm design test trials that'll give results that best fits their needs and positive outcomes for a new drug so the outcome appears favorable in their case. How do you think big pharms got the okay to push their drugs out?

Big pharms are in it for the money for them and their investors, they don't give a shit about the people they're making drugs for. This is why they skillfully skew testing to come out beneficial for their needs and not the population's needs.

There is a lot of information out there, both sides of the fence, about these "vaccines". Stop being a Latrinsorm, educate yourself. Sift through the bullshit and stop taking things at face value.

Do the suppressants help? From what I can tell, sure, to some degree.
Are the suppressants safe? No, far from it.
Are all the side effects provided in a proper consent form for people getting the shots? No, far from it.
Are the boosters helping with Delta and Omicron? No or perhaps very little based on how many people are getting sick after having multiple (2-4 shots).

[Wrathbringer]

You do understand that the suppressant shot was designed for the original strands, right? Why do you think the shots are very ineffective against delta and omicron variants?

When you read stories that say, but getting a booster shot may increase protection by 25 fold......what the fuck does 25 fold even mean? By 25x of what? If it's a fraction of a percent and a booster may give a 25 fold increase in protection means that's such a miniscule amount, which is why they (big pharm) are not offering up actual numbers. They want to sell that suppressant shot and keep making money, even if the usefulness of their drug is miniscule.

You also do understand that big pharm owns the research data acquired through trials and that they (big pharm) write up their "conclusions" on the results and they give their "conclusions" out for peer reviewing? No one, outside of big pharms gets the see the actual data they've collected. No one outside of big pharms gets to dictate how their test trials are handled....big pharm design test trials that'll give results that best fits their needs and positive outcomes for a new drug so the outcome appears favorable in their case. How do you think big pharms got the okay to push their drugs out?

Big pharms are in it for the money for them and their investors, they don't give a shit about the people they're making drugs for. This is why they skillfully skew testing to come out beneficial for their needs and not the population's needs.

There is a lot of information out there, both sides of the fence, about these "vaccines". Stop being a Latrinsorm, educate yourself. Sift through the bullshit and stop taking things at face value.

Do the suppressants help? From what I can tell, sure, to some degree.
Are the suppressants safe? No, far from it.
Are all the side effects provided in a proper consent form for people getting the shots? No, far from it.
Are the boosters helping with Delta and Omicron? No or perhaps very little based on how many people are getting sick after having multiple (2-4 shots).

This is correct. Seran is retarded and swallows everything he's told by his political party. He has no experience with facts, the sifting of data, and independent thought, so your post will unfortunately be lost on him and his ilk here.

[Seran]

You do understand that the suppressant shot was designed for the original strands, right? Why do you think the shots are very ineffective against delta and omicron variants?

When you read stories that say, but getting a booster shot may increase protection by 25 fold......what the fuck does 25 fold even mean? By 25x of what? If it's a fraction of a percent and a booster may give a 25 fold increase in protection means that's such a miniscule amount, which is why they (big pharm) are not offering up actual numbers. They want to sell that suppressant shot and keep making money, even if the usefulness of their drug is miniscule.

You also do understand that big pharm owns the research data acquired through trials and that they (big pharm) write up their "conclusions" on the results and they give their "conclusions" out for peer reviewing? No one, outside of big pharms gets the see the actual data they've collected. No one outside of big pharms gets to dictate how their test trials are handled....big pharm design test trials that'll give results that best fits their needs and positive outcomes for a new drug so the outcome appears favorable in their case. How do you think big pharms got the okay to push their drugs out?

Big pharms are in it for the money for them and their investors, they don't give a shit about the people they're making drugs for. This is why they skillfully skew testing to come out beneficial for their needs and not the population's needs.

There is a lot of information out there, both sides of the fence, about these "vaccines". Stop being a Latrinsorm, educate yourself. Sift through the bullshit and stop taking things at face value.

Do the suppressants help? From what I can tell, sure, to some degree.
Are the suppressants safe? No, far from it.
Are all the side effects provided in a proper consent form for people getting the shots? No, far from it.
Are the boosters helping with Delta and Omicron? No or perhaps very little based on how many people are getting sick after having multiple (2-4 shots).

Do you have any scientific evidence, studies or data to back up your assertions, or are you just bloviating about big pharma conspiracies?

[drumpel]

Do you have any scientific evidence, studies or data to back up your assertions, or are you just bloviating about big pharma conspiracies?

You can learn a lot about how shitty the system is that favors big pharms.

Pretty good book, by Dr John Abramson, "Sickening: How Big Pharma Broke American Health Care and How We Can Repair It"

He also wrote "Overdosed America: The Broken Promise of American Medicine" - has good information about bad drugs pushed by big pharms, such as Vioxx.


Big pharms are not your friend. They don't give a shit about you, they only want your money. They don't care how they get it as long as you give it to them.

If you're looking about issues with the suppressants, VERAS has lots of them. Folks are quick to just say that those entries are all lies by "anti-vaxxers" to help further push the backings of big pharms that the shots are safe, but that's hard to believe when you know a few people that have had a significant other die after getting their second shot - death by heart failure within 24-48 hours, even though they had zero heart condition issues or no family history of heart issues.


I'm not doing all the footwork for you, you need to start going through things and making an educated conclusion. Stay away from work that's sponsored by big pharms and the CDC and FDA, for example. CDC and FDA have no experience with clinical trials and the one that the CDC was in charge of years ago, they fucked up so bad that the program was shutdown and the people involved were paid out on a lawsuit (you can read about if you search it: Tuskegee Study)

Take myocarditis, for example. Myocarditis is on the rise in young men after getting vaccinated. There is no "mild" case of myocarditis.....any damage to the heart muscle is not mild, regardless of what some companies might try to make you think.

Educate yourself.

[Seran]

Yeah, that's a no then. Thanks for the well written, but inaccurate opinion piece.

[Wrathbringer]

Yeah, that's a no then. Thanks for the well written, but inaccurate opinion piece.

Told ya.

[drumpel]

Told ya.

Yep. What a lazy fucker.

Sad that there are so many lazy people in this world and it's even more sad is that they're the problem. Uneducated people that are afraid (or perhaps just actually too stupid) to learn on their own and just take whatever shit is shoveled into their mouths as fact.

People running around about ivermectin and screaming "horse dewormer". Dumb fucking people and lazy to boot.

Scary times when so many people are as lazy as Seran. The worst part is they're the loudest group causing the most damage because they won't think for themselves.....just bow their heads like scared little bitches and follow.

[Seran]

Hahaha. Option 1, Take as fact the unsupported, unresearched and already disproven theories Drumpel has regurgitated. Option 2, Take up the challenge and waste time to disprove a theory that Drumpel themself hasn't supported with any evidence. I'll take option three and just laugh some more. Hahaha.

[Shaps]

I'm sure the dumbass above won't accept it.. but I'll try...

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html

"India's Ivermectin Blackout - Part V: The Secret Revealed"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc

Read.. watch.. learn.. understand it's about politics.

I'll give you the short version, since of course you won't read it...

"Each home kit contained the following: Paracetamol tablets [tylenol], Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [quantity #10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [quantity #10 tablets]. Other non-medication components included face masks, sanitizer, gloves and alcohol wipes, a digital thermometer, and a pulse oximeter. See mark 2:33."

[Methais]

You will probably give him COVID. Reported for attempted murder.

I had Covid in August. I'm immune as fuck, unlike pipsqueaks like Latrin.

Reported for filing a false report.

[Methais]

Probably because Latrin hasn't realized most of you know and accept the truth, but you're just trolling due to a lack of sex and boredom.

I didn't hear about the AOC thing before I read this post the first time...


https://i.imgur.com/qOXCXVo.png
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https://i.imgur.com/x1RHIWp.png


lololololololololololol @ Seran being Seran again :rofl:

[Methais]

Seems legit.

Fucker killed Betty White after all.

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[Methais]

...and test them for antibodies that are produced when infected with the Fauci virus.

Fixed.

[Methais]

You do understand that the suppressant shot was designed for the original strands, right? Why do you think the shots are very ineffective against delta and omicron variants?

When you read stories that say, but getting a booster shot may increase protection by 25 fold......what the fuck does 25 fold even mean? By 25x of what? If it's a fraction of a percent and a booster may give a 25 fold increase in protection means that's such a miniscule amount, which is why they (big pharm) are not offering up actual numbers. They want to sell that suppressant shot and keep making money, even if the usefulness of their drug is miniscule.

You also do understand that big pharm owns the research data acquired through trials and that they (big pharm) write up their "conclusions" on the results and they give their "conclusions" out for peer reviewing? No one, outside of big pharms gets the see the actual data they've collected. No one outside of big pharms gets to dictate how their test trials are handled....big pharm design test trials that'll give results that best fits their needs and positive outcomes for a new drug so the outcome appears favorable in their case. How do you think big pharms got the okay to push their drugs out?

Big pharms are in it for the money for them and their investors, they don't give a shit about the people they're making drugs for. This is why they skillfully skew testing to come out beneficial for their needs and not the population's needs.

There is a lot of information out there, both sides of the fence, about these "vaccines". Stop being a Latrinsorm, educate yourself. Sift through the bullshit and stop taking things at face value.

Do the suppressants help? From what I can tell, sure, to some degree.
Are the suppressants safe? No, far from it.
Are all the side effects provided in a proper consent form for people getting the shots? No, far from it.
Are the boosters helping with Delta and Omicron? No or perhaps very little based on how many people are getting sick after having multiple (2-4 shots).

And shockingly enough, Pfizer is the second most held stock among members of Congress.

https://c.tenor.com/BmCbsCskdA4AAAAM/omg-oh-my-god.gif

[Methais]

Yeah, that's a no then. Thanks for the well written, but inaccurate opinion piece.

You're just mad at drumpel because he won't let you fuck him.

[Seran]

I'm sure the dumbass above won't accept it.. but I'll try...

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion/columnists/indias-ivermectin-blackout---part-v-the-secret-revealed/article_9a37d9a8-1fb2-11ec-a94b-47343582647b.html

"India's Ivermectin Blackout - Part V: The Secret Revealed"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eO9cjy3Rydc

Read.. watch.. learn.. understand it's about politics.

I'll give you the short version, since of course you won't read it...

"Each home kit contained the following: Paracetamol tablets [tylenol], Vitamin C, Multivitamin, Zinc, Vitamin D3, Ivermectin 12 mg [quantity #10 tablets], Doxycycline 100 mg [quantity #10 tablets]. Other non-medication components included face masks, sanitizer, gloves and alcohol wipes, a digital thermometer, and a pulse oximeter. See mark 2:33."

Dude said the same misinformation about ivermectin in Japan and was thoroughly debunked. I don't know why you think every yahoo on YouTube peddling ivermectin is a medical genius, but you need to get your information from better sources dude.

India was dosing people with Ivermectin for a few months beginning in May 2021 and stopped full by September after recognizing it offered no clinical benefit. Same as hydroxychloroquine. This is per the Covid-19 Task Force of India. You can read more:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.indiatoday.in/amp/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

India's success in limiting Covid-19 initially the year prior was enforced quarantine nationwide, with those breaking curfew facing imprisonment. The second wave, were only limited quarantine through contact tracing unsurprisingly hit them in chin, with daily infection rates and deaths comparable to our own.

[Shaps]

For fun.. the previous article I linked had the links in it so you could look at their case numbers etc. already... but here's another fun one...

https://www.indiatoday.in/coronavirus-outbreak/story/why-hcq-ivermectin-dropped-india-covid-treatment-protocol-1857306-2021-09-26

"Recommending that Ivermectin be dropped from the clinical guidance, experts cited 13 systematic reviews of which “7/13 showed mortality benefit, 4/13 no mortality benefit, 2/13 inconclusive/unclear. Additionally, there was a high risk of bias in many of the studies, particularly with the ones showing mortality benefit, as the level of certainty is low in them."

So they removed it... because there was a "high risk of bias".... "particularly with the ones showing mortality benefit"... weird how that works right? Even though 7/13 of the studies showed benefits... they still decided to cancel it... because...

There is absolutely one thing no study has ever shown though.... Ivermectin has not had any negative effects whatsoever when used as part of a treatment regiment for Covid. So why, if there are no negatives to it... but studies that show it as effective... are people so against it being used?

Now if you can answer that without sounding like a complete moron... I'd like to hear it...

I'm not saying Ivermectin does or doesn't. I think it's like most medications... for some it works great, for others it doesn't. Just like every other medication known to man.

My problem is the demonizing, removing it (or other drugs) as options for Doctors to recommend based upon their patients, and the influence the pharmaceutical companies have over this whole situation.

[Shaps]

Oh fun one.. from just today!

Explain this now... LOL...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/indonesia-survey-finds-85-population-083638860.html

"More than 85% of Indonesia's population has antibodies against COVID-19, a government-commissioned survey showed"

"Indonesia has only fully vaccinated just over 42% of its population of 270 million people" (they put this nice and far down in the article)

So 42% vaccination rate... but 85% antibodies (hint hint: Natural Immunity)... now the kicker...

"Indonesia's second wave of infections - driven by the Delta variant - peaked in July and August, with infections plummeting from more than 50,000 a day to just a few hundred a day in recent months."

So... as you like to say... using SCIENCE!!... a country with lower than normal "vaccination rates"... has higher rates of antibodies in the populous (85%)... and are only seeing a "few hundred a day in recent months"....

So... would that support that the vaccine is necessary? or perhaps? I mean... /shrug

Again.. I'm not saying yay or nay either way... I'm saying all options should be available.. and all options should be made with guidance from a personal Doctor... as different things work for different people.

Or maybe all those medicine packs they were passing out actually helped? Just saying...

[Latrinsorm]

Do you seriously think you are accomplishing anything here?

Or is it just giving you a false sense of accomplishment?

an all hands on deck situation does not mean that success will be accomplished if all hands do their duty

it means success surely won't if they don't

and as in any situation, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

[Latrinsorm]

So you know for certain that all those people that were given the suppressant shot were actively in contact with Covid and they all resisted it because they has the suppressant shot?

i know for certain they were at least as in contact with covid as the group Tgo01 cited were in contact with smallpox, making it an apt comparison between a vaccine he calls "leaky" and a vaccine he thinks (and presumably you think) is real

i quote only this portion of your post because i have already directly addressed the other claims you made in previous posts - i do encourage you to reread them, though

[Latrinsorm]

NY's official stats prove your 99% effective stat wrong and Latrin's 98% effective stat wrong. NY state, you know that bastion of conservatism.

i did not say that each United State saw 98% effectiveness, i said the United States saw 98% effectiveness. like your previous some michigan hospital example, small samples can see lower (or higher) effectiveness, but only a very silly person would conclude anything based on either result

[Latrinsorm]

Now if you can answer that without sounding like a complete moron... I'd like to hear it...

no drug, anywhere, ever, has had 0 negative effects whatsoever

we have three hypotheses in this thread:
1. the fda etc. is in the bag for the pharmaceutical companies and approves their stuff even when it doesn't work
2. the fda etc. is in the bag against the pharmaceutical companies and denies their stuff even when it does work
3. the fda etc. isn't in any bag, and sometimes specific citizens are incorrect about specific drugs

you are very confident in #2, the other guy is very confident in #1. as they are of course mutually exclusive, i would be interested to hear you address each others' points

[Gelston]

an all hands on deck situation does not mean that success will be accomplished if all hands do their duty

it means success surely won't if they don't

and as in any situation, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

ur dum

[Methais]

an all hands on deck situation does not mean that success will be accomplished if all hands do their duty

it means success surely won't if they don't

and as in any situation, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

Literally 0 people here take you seriously or give an actual fuck about anything you say except for entertainment purposes. Except maybe Seran but he's...special, similar to how your mommy says you're special when she changes your diaper.

[Neveragain]

no drug, anywhere, ever, has had 0 negative effects whatsoever

we have three hypotheses in this thread:
1. the fda etc. is in the bag for the pharmaceutical companies and approves their stuff even when it doesn't work
2. the fda etc. is in the bag against the pharmaceutical companies and denies their stuff even when it does work
3. the fda etc. isn't in any bag, and sometimes specific citizens are incorrect about specific drugs

you are very confident in #2, the other guy is very confident in #1. as they are of course mutually exclusive, i would be interested to hear you address each others' points

Remember when they said oxycontin wasn't addictive, then we had this huge epidemic, the drug manufacturer made out like bandits after paying their lawsuit and nobody but the addicts they created went to prison?

https://c.tenor.com/XmfWZFHPQQAAAAAM/chris-farley.gif

[Seran]

Literally 0 people here take you seriously or give an actual fuck about anything you say except for entertainment purposes. Except maybe Seran but he's...special, similar to how your mommy says you're special when she changes your diaper.

What's amazing is you actually think that anybody is affected by your negativity and your bullshit . Actual data and science has been well-developed showing how ignorant you on on nearly every subject. If you were capable of a well researched answer, I'd be shocked

[Gelston]

What's amazing is you actually think that anybody is affected by your negativity and your bullshit . Actual data and science has been well-developed showing how ignorant you on on nearly every subject. If you were capable of a well researched answer, I'd be shocked

Way for you to completely miss the point.

[Seran]

Remember when they said oxycontin wasn't addictive, then we had this huge epidemic, the drug manufacturer made out like bandits after paying their lawsuit and nobody but the addicts they created went to prison?

https://c.tenor.com/XmfWZFHPQQAAAAAM/chris-farley.gif

Hey, remember how the scientific community has created hundreds of life saving drugs and treatments, all with significant warnings that they should only be used as directed? Who'd have guessed that criminals would binge eat Oxy like M&Ms or that entire communities of tin foil hat wearers would bet the farm on horse de-wormer before they inevitably died of covid-19 complications.

I love how you Conservatives beat up big pharma for being irresponsible, yet everytime some right winger shoots up his family or school, not a single argument for personal responsibility is seen on the right.

[Gelston]

Hey, remember how the scientific community has created hundreds of life saving drugs and treatments, all with significant warnings that they should only be used as directed? Who'd have guessed that criminals would binge eat Oxy like M&Ms or that entire communities of tin foil hat wearers would bet the farm on horse de-wormer before they inevitably died of covid-19 complications.

I love how you Conservatives beat up big pharma for being irresponsible, yet everytime some right winger shoots up his family or school, not a single argument for personal responsibility is seen on the right.

Hey, remember how this is a message board for a 30 year old game and no one gives a fuck about your constant whining about covid?

[Neveragain]

Actual data and science has been well-developed showing how ignorant you on on nearly every subject.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/368b5c7faaef55b489cb55924a983320/ce3c0fe9f0d0ed80-55/s500x750/77ecc694f2bb557eebd60843883b2f93a38f9626.gif

[Parkbandit]

an all hands on deck situation does not mean that success will be accomplished if all hands do their duty

it means success surely won't if they don't

and as in any situation, all that is required for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing

Wait... so you believe that people who are vaccinated are protected from covid.. and need to be protected from the unvaccinated who are not protected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn't protect the protected?

And no one with 2 functioning brain cells believes you are a "good man" about anything.

[Parkbandit]

Hey, remember how this is a message board for a 30 year old game and no one gives a fuck about your constant whining about covid?

BUT HE'S DOING HIS PART!

He's literally as effective as Backlash using hashtags in his signature.

[Seran]

Hey, remember how this is a message board for a 30 year old game and no one gives a fuck about your constant whining about covid?

Zero self awareness is your thing, isn't it? Most of America is fine with the mandates and common sense. You and your friends are going out of your way to spread misinformation and angst

[Gelston]

Zero self awareness is your thing, isn't it? Most of America is fine with the mandates and common sense. You and your friends are going out of your way to spread misinformation and angst

And again, you are showing you have zero self awareness by trying to say that anyone comes to the message board for any kind of COVID advice.

Again, this is a message board for a 30 year old text based game. If you come here for advice about diseases you are fucking retarded. I have said this from the beginning. You just don't know how to read or have the memory of a goldfish.

[Parkbandit]

Zero self awareness is your thing, isn't it? Most of America is fine with the mandates and common sense. You and your friends are going out of your way to spread misinformation and angst

It's like you want to understand a post.. but never quite get there.....

[Seran]

And again, you are showing you have zero self awareness by trying to say that anyone comes to the message board for any kind of COVID advice.

Again, this is a message board for a 30 year old text based game. If you come here for advice about diseases you are fucking retarded. I have said this from the beginning. You just don't know how to read or have the memory of a goldfish.

The quality of you response was legitimately, NO U. Why waste your time typing?

[Tgo01]

Honestly has there been anyone on the PC who is a bigger mess than Seran?

[Seran]

Honestly has there been anyone on the PC who is a bigger mess than Seran?

And you're basing this off of the fact YOU can't research a single topic and resort to posting wholesale Breitbart articles without independent review? Yeah, uh huh, whatever Karen.

[Parkbandit]

Honestly has there been anyone on the PC who is a bigger mess than Seran?

Ashliana was a bigger mess.

But he was banned and is probably in a ditch somewhere screaming into the wind.

[Parkbandit]

The quality of you response was legitimately, NO U. Why waste your time typing?

There is no quality of 'you' response.

At all.

[Tgo01]

Ashliana was a bigger mess.

True. It was nice of Seran to take on the mantle once Ashliana was forced out for being crazy.

[Methais]

What's amazing is you actually think that anybody is affected by your negativity and your bullshit . Actual data and science has been well-developed showing how ignorant you on on nearly every subject. If you were capable of a well researched answer, I'd be shocked

What's even more amazing is how you really believe that everything you say isn't the dumbest shit anyone will read all day on any given day.

[Gelston]

The quality of you response was legitimately, NO U. Why waste your time typing?

Lol, you can't even read apparently. You also can't even seem to differentiate posters.

[Neveragain]

Hey, remember how the scientific community has created hundreds of life saving drugs and treatments, all with significant warnings that they should only be used as directed? Who'd have guessed that criminals would binge eat Oxy like M&Ms or that entire communities of tin foil hat wearers would bet the farm on horse de-wormer before they inevitably died of covid-19 complications.

I love how you Conservatives beat up big pharma for being irresponsible, yet everytime some right winger shoots up his family or school, not a single argument for personal responsibility is seen on the right.

I see, so Purdue had to pay out 4.5 billion in settlements because they were innocent.

Remember when Bayer introduced Heroin to the market?

Do you even realize that several of todays largest drug manufacturers foundations are from the production and distribution of cocaine and meth?

https://i.insider.com/4ec5369f6bb3f76763000009?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[Seran]

I see, so Purdue had to pay out 4.5 billion in settlements because they were innocent.

Remember when Bayer introduced Heroin to the market?

Do you even realize that several of todays largest drug manufacturers foundations are from the production and distribution of cocaine and meth?

https://i.insider.com/4ec5369f6bb3f76763000009?width=600&format=jpeg&auto=webp

And so your argument is you hate drugs and they should always be illegal? My argument is, drugs shouldn't be illegal and if people could use some self control then we'd have a better society.

[Neveragain]

And so your argument is you hate drugs and they should always be illegal? My argument is, drugs shouldn't be illegal and if people could use some self control then we'd have a better society.

My argument is that pharma and the FDA have a long history of being wrong, knowing they are wrong and still not giving a fuck because they are greedy fucks.

Here you are pretending that addiction doesn't exist. Democrats have become a scourge.

[Parkbandit]

And so your argument is you hate drugs and they should always be illegal? My argument is, drugs shouldn't be illegal and if people could use some self control then we'd have a better society.

Yes.. because in the history of man.. man has always shown the ability to use some self control......

[Seran]

My argument is that pharma and the FDA have a long history of being wrong, knowing they are wrong and still not giving a fuck because they are greedy fucks.

Here you are pretending that addiction doesn't exist. Democrats have become a scourge.

There you go, dancing around the topic of personal responsibility. Democrats have it right and wrong at the same time on drug policy for scheduled narcotics. Possession should absolutely be legal, as should be casual consumption. But drug related crimes should still have full force and consequence and no one with a drug addiction should get assistance beyond food/shelter to survive. This I've said before, but if people are going to prove Darwin right by continuously offing themselves with their own bad behavior, we need to let them. No more government enabling.

[Methais]

There you go, dancing around the topic of personal responsibility. Democrats have it right and wrong at the same time on drug policy for scheduled narcotics. Possession should absolutely be legal, as should be casual consumption. But drug related crimes should still have full force and consequence and no one with a drug addiction should get assistance beyond food/shelter to survive. This I've said before, but if people are going to prove Darwin right by continuously offing themselves with their own bad behavior, we need to let them. No more government enabling.

Tons of people, often people who were clean for their entire lives, get addicted to shit just from it being prescribed from their doctor after an injury or something similar. It happens to athletes all the time, a lot of which are democrats, since you probably believe that only republicans get hooked on narcotics because reasons.

Not that anyone here would expect you to have a clue about anything at all to begin with though.

Ever wonder why big pharma is so against medical weed? Of course not, because you're an idiot who doesn't know how to think. You only know how to parrot what other people say without any thought or reason behind it.

[Seran]

Tons of people, often people who were clean for their entire lives, get addicted to shit just from it being prescribed from their doctor after an injury or something similar. It happens to athletes all the time, a lot of which are democrats, since you probably believe that only republicans get hooked on narcotics because reasons.

Not that anyone here would expect you to have a clue about anything at all to begin with though.

Ever wonder why big pharma is so against medical weed? Of course not, because you're an idiot who doesn't know how to think. You only know how to parrot what other people say without any thought or reason behind it.

Just what does party affiliation have to do with susceptibility of addiction? That's a pretty stupid assertion on your part. As to addiction happening subsequent to treatment, you are right and that doesn't absolve the responsibility of the individual or their family to help them seek treatment for addiction. I can't believe I have to explain this to a pseudo-Republican, but a corporation bears no responsibility for creating a product that doctors and patients abuse. Not unless it's proven that criminal action took place. This is where the Sacklers set themselves up.

Big pharma, big pharma, oh no, big pharma. Responsible for the most important medical treatment advances of our age, but according to you should be collectively drawn and quartered as a result of being so effective.

[Methais]

Just what does party affiliation have to do with susceptibility of addiction?

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that I was simply making fun of how stupid and one sided you are based on your posting history...


It happens to athletes all the time, a lot of which are democrats, since you probably believe that only republicans get hooked on narcotics because reasons.

I guess I gave you too much credit by assuming you would have figured that out on your own, which tbh I should know better than to give you any credit by now because you're literally the dumbest person posting on this forum right now.


As to addiction happening subsequent to treatment, you are right and that doesn't absolve the responsibility of the individual or their family to help them seek treatment for addiction. I can't believe I have to explain this to a pseudo-Republican, but a corporation bears no responsibility for creating a product that doctors and patients abuse. Not unless it's proven that criminal action took place. This is where the Sacklers set themselves up.

Feel free to quote me where I said the drug companies themselves should be held liable. If anything, it should fall on some of the doctors that are handing that shit out like candy to get their kickbacks. Now if someone went through their prescription and then started buying more off the street and got hooked that way, then yeah that's their own problem to deal with. But that's not what I'm talking about, you're just too stupid to keep up.


Big pharma, big pharma, oh no, big pharma. Responsible for the most important medical treatment advances of our age, but according to you should be collectively drawn and quartered as a result of being so effective.

My entire post was in response to you saying this:


no one with a drug addiction should get assistance beyond food/shelter to survive.

According to you though, if someone gets hooked on Oxys or whatever because they trusted their doctor, oh well too bad, here's a rice cake and a cardboard box, while said doctor continues to hand the same shit out to other people and continue getting his kickbacks.

Do you even know how to read? Or do you just froth at the mouth and roll your face across the keyboard? This is a rhetorical question, as we all already know the answer.

Dumbass.

[Gelston]

If you knew how to read, you would have seen that I was simply making fun of how stupid and one sided you are based on your posting history...



I guess I gave you too much credit by assuming you would have figured that out on your own, which tbh I should know better than to give you any credit by now because you're literally the dumbest person posting on this forum right now.



Feel free to quote me where I said the drug companies themselves should be held liable. If anything, it should fall on some of the doctors that are handing that shit out like candy to get their kickbacks. Now if someone went through their prescription and then started buying more off the street and got hooked that way, then yeah that's their own problem to deal with. But that's not what I'm talking about, you're just too stupid to keep up.



My entire post was in response to you saying this:



According to you though, if someone gets hooked on Oxys or whatever because they trusted their doctor, oh well too bad, here's a rice cake and a cardboard box, while said doctor continues to hand the same shit out to other people and continue getting his kickbacks.

Do you even know how to read? Or do you just froth at the mouth and roll your face across the keyboard? This is a rhetorical question, as we all already know the answer.

Dumbass.

He isn't going to readd any of that and then will respond with something that has nothing to do with what you said.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

He isn't going to readd any of that and then will respond with something that has nothing to do with what you said.

I like turtles.

[Methais]

He isn't going to readd any of that and then will respond with something that has nothing to do with what you said.

This is correct.

[drumpel]

I like turtles.

His replies are more like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN3TbIaXfDE

[Methais]

His replies are more like this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bN3TbIaXfDE

Ever notice how grape drinks don't taste like grapes, but they still taste purple?