Water lore and 435

[Xred]

Has anyone experimented with 435 and water lore? The wiki says that there is a linear benefit for learning water lore. I was wondering if anyone with a bunch of water lore has tried 435 and if it starts to hit harder.

I don’t have access to the test server, so I can’t try out.

[Izalude]

I don't have a ton of water lore, but I have 80 ranks, plus another 34 of air. I'm attuned to lightning. My major e-waves have alot of death crits, and it helps when I'm clearing Krolvin ships. I use major e-wave when their bolt DS is unusually high. I'd say I get a death crit on 1 out of every 7 attempts. But then again, it's lightning... So it may not be what you're looking for exactly.

[Xred]

Thanks. I noticed a difference, when i got to 12 ranks. Maybe the only diminishing return was crit randomization.

[gilchristr]

Definitely. 435 gives an indication of the degree of success:
- minimal success - no elemental damage
- moderal success - some elemental damage
- major success - high crits on elemental damage


The first 40 ranks of water lore training definitely resulted in more moderate successes (instead of just minor successes). Also, the number of minor elemental spell ranks is a factor of success. Even with slight uphunting, with lots of mne ranks and water lore, I am seeing elemental damage on most casts (if not all). Of course, there are more major successes too. I have 77 ranks of mne and ~120 ranks of water lore, but it was the first 40 ranks that did the most.

The best thing is water lore also produces more reliable knockdowns with 410, so you are getting two spells. EDIT - and longer pinning RT effect when there are knockdowns


One other observation I have had about 435 is that I think it applies one roll to all targets (rather than different rolls to different targets). I say this because when you get a major success against one target you tend to see major successes against the other targets too. So you will see the kills clumped.

[Xred]

This is fantastic info, thanks. The 40 ranks is in alignment with sorcerers needing 50 for +2 to crit for DC. So it looks like i'll finish up getting 12 in one more lore and prioritize getting 50 in water (have 25 in earth already for the 5% block)

So something like 12 fire, 12 air, 50 water, 25 earth, later move to 50

I hunt exclusively on kraken, it would be nice to mostly replace 410 with 435

[gilchristr]

How many MnE ranks do you have?

[Xred]

Minor Spiritual...64
Minor Elemental...77
Sorcerer Base.....162

[gilchristr]

noice

[Xred]

I moved my water lore up to 50. I noticed a lot more stuns and few more kills vs bandits. I can recommend water lore as well to be prioritized.

Thanks for the tip.

So now i stand at air 12, fire 12, water 50, earth 25. I'll move earth to 50 next, for the DC crits and 6% auto block.

[gilchristr]

I am fairly sure you are getting increased RT adders put on the target from that training, even when you can't observe a stun or kill