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Gelston

11-27-2021, 03:36 PM

And Ohio State is out of the Playoffs.

Parkbandit

11-27-2021, 04:40 PM

What a good game that was.

Unless you are rooting for Ohio State.

Gelston

11-27-2021, 04:41 PM

What will be funny to me, Michigan losing the Big10 Championship and then there being 0 Big10 teams in the CFP.

Gelston

11-27-2021, 05:06 PM

Damn, Auburn's defense is looking immaculate. Alabama might be in trouble.

Parkbandit

11-27-2021, 05:24 PM

Damn, Auburn's defense is looking immaculate. Alabama might be in trouble.

Love it.

Gelston

11-27-2021, 05:31 PM

Alabama loses here and then wins against Georgia... Alabama is still out... Georgia is probably still in though, at #4.

Parkbandit

11-27-2021, 05:43 PM

Alabama loses here and then wins against Georgia... Alabama is still out... Georgia is probably still in though, at #4.

Never rooted for Auburn before... this feels so dirty... and wrong...

Gelston

11-27-2021, 05:46 PM

Never rooted for Auburn before... this feels so dirty... and wrong...

No, I hate Auburn and every Auburn fan I've ever known gargles testicals. It is fun to see a changeup in the CFP though... And Bama won't be there if this continues. They are getting rekt by Auburn's defense.

Parkbandit

11-27-2021, 06:19 PM

No, I hate Auburn and every Auburn fan I've ever known gargles testicals. It is fun to see a changeup in the CFP though... And Bama won't be there if this continues. They are getting rekt by Auburn's defense.

I have a friend who suited up as an Auburn player for a year but never took the field.. and all he does is talk about how great "his" football team is... so I tend to secretly root against them.

He's married with 2 kids... but he's very good at interior decorating.. and can't fix anything.. so he might secretly do that gargling you were referring to.

Gelston

11-27-2021, 07:44 PM

Damn that was a nail bitter.

Now hopefully LSU can beat Texas A&M so we can get a shit tier bowl game.

Parkbandit

11-27-2021, 09:56 PM

Damn that was a nail bitter.

Now hopefully LSU can beat Texas A&M so we can get a shit tier bowl game.

Now I know why I never root for Auburn. They just let you down...

Shaps

11-28-2021, 09:37 AM

Auburn tried their hearts out. Their QB was so hobbled, but he tried. Great game, tough loss. Was hoping Alabama would have gotten their ass kicked personally.

Battlerager

11-28-2021, 09:50 AM

Auburn tried their hearts out. Their QB was so hobbled, but he tried. Great game, tough loss. Was hoping Alabama would have gotten their ass kicked personally.

I was at the game. Yeah .. this one hurt. I didn't think we had a chance going into the game with our starting qb and our all sec kicker both out. We had our chance but couldn't run out the clock. I knew going into overtime we were not going to win. God I hate bammers. Some bammer girl was next to me all game with a "go to hell auburn" sticker on and she left early when they were losing. No class fanbase. I hope UGA curbstomps them. War Eagle!

Parkbandit

11-28-2021, 06:15 PM

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Gelston

11-30-2021, 09:17 PM

Brian Kelly said fuck Norte Dame and went to LSU to be HC. He didn’t even tell any of his assistant coaches. They found out from the news.

Neveragain

11-30-2021, 11:36 PM

What will be funny to me, Michigan losing the Big10 Championship and then there being 0 Big10 teams in the CFP.

Basically Michigan has to beat Iowa's defense.

Neveragain

11-30-2021, 11:45 PM

Ohio state upset #1 Duke.

Makkah

12-01-2021, 12:19 AM

That Iron Bowl tore my guts out. Oh well, hopefully with Bobo gone we can call a decent offensive game next year. War Damn Eagle!

Parkbandit

12-01-2021, 07:20 AM

Brian Kelly said fuck Norte Dame and went to LSU to be HC. He didn’t even tell any of his assistant coaches. They found out from the news.

Yea.. that whole thing seemed fucked up. I don't blame Kelly for jumping ship... 95 million dollars is a shit-ton of money to say no to.

But a late night text is how he addressed the team? I'm sure he told Notre Dame first and maybe that was their idea to just get him the fuck out asap.. but it was just so awkward.

Notre Dame will go back to being irrelevant to everyone but CBS again.

Battlerager

12-01-2021, 08:00 AM

He has a better chance of winning a NC at LSU. Saban, Miles, Ogeron all won one. The talent in that state is huge.

Gelston

12-01-2021, 10:04 AM

Yea.. that whole thing seemed fucked up. I don't blame Kelly for jumping ship... 95 million dollars is a shit-ton of money to say no to.

But a late night text is how he addressed the team? I'm sure he told Notre Dame first and maybe that was their idea to just get him the fuck out asap.. but it was just so awkward.

Notre Dame will go back to being irrelevant to everyone but CBS again.

No, he had an assistant coach out at someone's house recruiting. He walked out and then found out from the news. He said he felt like an asshole. He didn't tell anybody.

Gelston

12-01-2021, 10:06 AM

He has a better chance of winning a NC at LSU. Saban, Miles, Ogeron all won one. The talent in that state is huge.

The academic standards are lower for LSU, so it is a lot easier to create a great roster. ND's roster has always been 2nd tier, which really goes to show his skill as a coach little more. Or he might just fail terribly.

Parkbandit

12-01-2021, 10:43 AM

The academic standards are lower for LSU, so it is a lot easier to create a great roster. ND's roster has always been 2nd tier, which really goes to show his skill as a coach little more. Or he might just fail terribly.

I think it's more about the $$ than anything else... and I don't blame him.

Gelston

12-01-2021, 10:49 AM

I think it's more about the $$ than anything else... and I don't blame him.

Eh, that is good too, but I think the main draw is that he has a chance to win National Championships with LSU.

Kinda harder with ND, due to no Conference Championship to play in, not being in a conference, and again, it is harder to build a top tier team.

kutter

12-01-2021, 12:46 PM

Eh, that is good too, but I think the main draw is that he has a chance to win National Championships with LSU.

Kinda harder with ND, due to no Conference Championship to play in, not being in a conference, and again, it is harder to build a top tier team.

No question this is about him winning a NC. It would be all but impossible to do so at ND, but it is clearly possible at LSU. Ever since LSU and Orgeron parted ways I have had trepidations about the hire, especially when other schools were locking up coaches, but I am actually pretty excited about Brian Kelly. He runs a good program and with the ability to get better talent since the academics are not so strict, he could be very successful.

Between Kelly coming to LSU, Kirby Smart at GA, Florida's hire of Billy Napier (even though I think firing Mullen was a bad idea), Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss, Jimbo at A&M, a somewhat resurgent TN, and Bryan Harsin at Auburn clearly intends to be relevant again, the SEC is getting a lot tougher. Add in the restructure when Texas and OK come in and Nick Satan might decide it is time to retire. Having to play Auburn, GA and FL every year and possibly an at large opponent from the western division, means he will not be the bully on the block and if there is one thing that is clear about Nick, he hates not being the bully on the block.

Gelston

12-01-2021, 12:49 PM

No question this is about him winning a NC. It would be all but impossible to do so at ND, but it is clearly possible at LSU. Ever since LSU and Orgeron parted ways I have had trepidations about the hire, especially when other schools were locking up coaches, but I am actually pretty excited about Brian Kelly. He runs a good program and with the ability to get better talent since the academics are not so strict, he could be very successful.

Between Kelly coming to LSU, Kirby Smart at GA, Florida's hire of Billy Napier (even though I think firing Mullen was a bad idea), Lane Kiffin at Ole Miss, Jimbo at A&M, a somewhat resurgent TN, and Bryan Harsin at Auburn clearly intends to be relevant again, the SEC is getting a lot tougher. Add in the restructure when Texas and OK come in and Nick Satan might decide it is time to retire. Having to play Auburn, GA and FL every year and possibly an at large opponent from the western division, means he will not be the bully on the block and if there is one thing that is clear about Nick, he hates not being the bully on the block.

Saban is probably looking towards retirement soon. He has nothing left to prove.... NCAA wise that it. The Alabama this year isn't really the powerhouse it has been in the past. Who knows, being completely shut out of the CFP might either push him towards retirement or light a fire in his ass to go for another title.

Looks like ND might be trying to poach Luke Fickell from Cincinnati.

Gelston

12-04-2021, 02:24 PM

You know Cincinnati is loving this Baylor/OSU game.

Stolis

12-04-2021, 08:05 PM

You know Cincinnati is loving this Baylor/OSU game.

Cincy has gotta have locked up their CFB chances after today. The biggest question is just where does Georgia fall. 4? There's no way the committee is going to let shitty ND into the playoffs are they?

beldannon5

12-04-2021, 09:30 PM

I say top 4 stay top 4

Gelston

12-05-2021, 08:12 AM

Cincy has gotta have locked up their CFB chances after today. The biggest question is just where does Georgia fall. 4? There's no way the committee is going to let shitty ND into the playoffs are they?

I think Mich, Bama, Cincinnati, Georgia

Parkbandit

12-05-2021, 08:53 AM

I say top 4 stay top 4

Yea.. not sure how they could change.

1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Cincinnati

The only reason Cincinnati will remain 4 is because they don't want a Alabama/Georgia rematch in the first round.

Gelston

12-05-2021, 01:41 PM

I was close, switched Bama and Mich. I knew they weren't going to have a Bama/Georgia rematch right at the start though

Shaps

12-06-2021, 03:04 AM

I hope Cincinnati and Michigan beat them and play for the Championship... just to watch all the talking heads brains explode on radio/tv the next day.

Gelston

12-06-2021, 09:09 AM

I hope Cincinnati and Michigan beat them and play for the Championship... just to watch all the talking heads brains explode on radio/tv the next day.

They won't. Cincinnati is going to get its shit pushed in. Georgia and Michigan will be a good one, but Georgia will win.

Cincinnati has 0 business being inside the top 10.

Parkbandit

12-06-2021, 10:08 AM

They won't. Cincinnati is going to get its shit pushed in. Georgia and Michigan will be a good one, but Georgia will win.

Cincinnati has 0 business being inside the top 10.

Who deserves to be there more than them? Not Notre Dame.. and they are the only other 1 loss team in the top 10. Cincinnati beat them by 2 scores earlier in the year to give them their only loss.

Ardwen

12-06-2021, 10:18 AM

I hope Cinci wins the damned thing, I am sick of the big conferences acting like they own the planet, although I think Cinci is moving to a big conference in a couple of years anyway, since they know the system is broken.

beldannon5

12-06-2021, 10:24 AM

I would like to see Cincinati win as well, but I think they have about as much chance as winning as the Raiders do of making the playoffs this year. SIGH!!!!!!

Gelston

12-06-2021, 10:50 AM

Who deserves to be there more than them? Not Notre Dame.. and they are the only other 1 loss team in the top 10. Cincinnati beat them by 2 scores earlier in the year to give them their only loss.

You're going off loses, but they had a weak schedule. ND has a way stronger schedule than Cincinnati, so did Oregon, and Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, and a lot of other schools. I think they need to start divorcing record from CFP eligibility. (I still wouldn't put in ND because their HC is gone already and honestly, they need to join a fucking conference.)

Which will become better when they expand to 8 team. Anyone that thinks Cincinnati has a snowball's chance in hell against any team in the top 10 is deluding themselves.

I look forward to the game though. I don't know if Alabama will give them the proper asswhooping they deserve simply because Bama has been playing down to teams this year for some fucking reason. Still, Cincinnati got a big head because they barely lost to the third string Georgia team last year in a game that no one cared about.

I hope Cinci wins the damned thing, I am sick of the big conferences acting like they own the planet, although I think Cinci is moving to a big conference in a couple of years anyway, since they know the system is broken.

They don't own the planet, just NCAA football. Decades of games W/L records vs Non-Power 5 show this.

G5(which cincinnati is in) record vs P5 is 686-2450-20. That is counting in the shitty P5 teams too, like Vandy and Iowa and Indiana and stuff.

And of course, the SEC is the best conference out of all, with a winning record against every Conference it has ever played.

Gelston

12-06-2021, 02:36 PM

And just bought LSU season tickets. Lower level sideline, two seats from in aisle. Fucking love it.

Parkbandit

12-06-2021, 03:21 PM

You're going off loses, but they had a weak schedule. ND has a way stronger schedule than Cincinnati, so did Oregon, and Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State, and a lot of other schools. I think they need to start divorcing record from CFP eligibility. (I still wouldn't put in ND because their HC is gone already and honestly, they need to join a fucking conference.)

I just don't see another team worth putting into the Playoffs over Cincinnati though. Can't put ND.. just because they beat ND. Everyone else in the top 10 has 2 losses.. and some of those losses were terrible ones.

Baylor lost to TCU... and TCU was terrible this year.

Ohio State got blown the fuck out by MI State.

Miss got blown out by Alabama.

I don't think the Committee really had a choice and was forced to put Cincinnati in.. not just because they were undefeated.. but because the other top 10 teams had 2 losses and at least 1 of them was a terrible loss.

Gelston

12-06-2021, 03:40 PM

I just don't see another team worth putting into the Playoffs over Cincinnati though. Can't put ND.. just because they beat ND. Everyone else in the top 10 has 2 losses.. and some of those losses were terrible ones.

Baylor lost to TCU... and TCU was terrible this year.

Ohio State got blown the fuck out by MI State.

Miss got blown out by Alabama.

I don't think the Committee really had a choice and was forced to put Cincinnati in.. not just because they were undefeated.. but because the other top 10 teams had 2 losses and at least 1 of them was a terrible loss.

No they could have, I think they just want teams like Cincinnati to stfu next year.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

12-06-2021, 03:53 PM

Listening to Sunday Night Football when the players say what school they came from, and I realized a few were talking about their high school... does the NFL draft directly from HS now?

Parkbandit

12-06-2021, 04:08 PM

No they could have, I think they just want teams like Cincinnati to stfu next year.

I don't see who. Name a team that deserves it more? There was no other strong enough team that didn't lose a game that they should have easily won left in the top 10.

I agree that Cincinnati had a weak strength of schedule and if there were any 1 loss teams left.. they probably would have gotten in over Cincinnati.

But there weren't.. except ND.. who had a loss to that same Cincinnati team... and to be honest, Cincinnati was playing ahead the entire game.

Gelston

12-06-2021, 04:28 PM

I don't see who. Name a team that deserves it more? There was no other strong enough team that didn't lose a game that they should have easily won left in the top 10.

I agree that Cincinnati had a weak strength of schedule and if there were any 1 loss teams left.. they probably would have gotten in over Cincinnati.

But there weren't.. except ND.. who had a loss to that same Cincinnati team... and to be honest, Cincinnati was playing ahead the entire game.

I'm doing it based on best matchups. Cinncinati is going to get blown out, and every other team in the top 10 could destroy them. Again, you're looking too much at their record. ULL only had 1 loss and won their conference, they would be a better match to Cincinnati.

Parkbandit

12-06-2021, 06:41 PM

I'm doing it based on best matchups. Cinncinati is going to get blown out, and every other team in the top 10 could destroy them. Again, you're looking too much at their record. ULL only had 1 loss and won their conference, they would be a better match to Cincinnati.

If you are looking at the potential matchup in the playoffs.. you are putting zero emphasis on the season.

That's what the bowl system is for: Making a game that might be a good game.

I'll be rooting for Cincinnati to beat Alabama.

Gelston

12-06-2021, 06:52 PM

If you are looking at the potential matchup in the playoffs.. you are putting zero emphasis on the season.

That's what the bowl system is for: Making a game that might be a good game.

I'll be rooting for Cincinnati to beat Alabama.

From the very start, the CFP committee says they are more concerned with Strength of Schedule and strong teams and they were going to place less emphasis record. Sometimes conferences are fucking tough and self defeating. Sometimes a team has a slip up at the beginning of the season.

This is why I want it expanded to a 8 team, eventually to a 24 team.

And no, cincinnati is going to be annihilated. It isn't even going to be an interesting game. Cincinnati should be ranked in the teens at best.

I mean, did you see the SEC championship? Georgia never had a team score over 17 on them the entire season. Best defense in the NCAA this season. Bryce Young fucking ripped that defense apart.

Parkbandit

12-06-2021, 07:45 PM

From the very start, the CFP committee says they are more concerned with Strength of Schedule and strong teams and they were going to place less emphasis record. Sometimes conferences are fucking tough and self defeating. Sometimes a team has a slip up at the beginning of the season.

This is why I want it expanded to a 8 team, eventually to a 24 team.

And no, cincinnati is going to be annihilated. It isn't even going to be an interesting game. Cincinnati should be ranked in the teens at best.

I disagree. The other top 10 teams had some horrible losses. Cincinnati had 0 losses and beat the Notre Dame, the current #5 team in the country.

I mean, did you see the SEC championship? Georgia never had a team score over 17 on them the entire season. Best defense in the NCAA this season. Bryce Young fucking ripped that defense apart.

Some teams match up well against others.

That same Alabama team barely got by Auburn & LSU.. and lost to a Texas A&M team that lost to Mississippi State.

I just don't see another team that deserved to be in the playoffs this year more than Cincinnati.

Parkbandit

12-07-2021, 10:04 AM

That MNF game was probably the single most boring game I have ever watched.

And I don't know if Belichick is an evil genius.. or just an asshole.

Like who only throws 3 times in a full game? It's not like your QB was hurt or anything.

Did someone say to Belichick that you can't run on Buffalo or something? Bills were a top 5-6 defense against the rush prior to last night.

At least Bills can "brag" that they have the #1 pass defense now. They held the Patriots to only 19 yards last night.

Gelston

12-07-2021, 10:06 AM

Someone Belichick hates has Mac Jones on his fantasy team

Ardwen

12-07-2021, 05:42 PM

Pats out smarted the bills, honestly have no idea why the bills didn't pout another defensive lineman in there for many of those plays. It was obvious very early the Pats weren't going to try to do anything but run, hell if it wasn't for the incredibly bad luck on the punt that barely touch the facemask where would the Bills be? Also going for 2 on that early TD forced the bills to keep trying for a TD instead of a tying field goal, horrid TV but brilliant chess match.

Makkah

12-13-2021, 10:27 AM

Alabama is going to beat Cinci by 50. MMW.

Parkbandit

12-13-2021, 11:02 AM

Alabama is going to beat Cinci by 50. MMW.

I'll take your 49 point line if you are looking to make a bet.

Makkah

12-14-2021, 11:11 AM

Sure 1:50

Gelston

12-15-2021, 02:29 AM

I bought season tickets for LSU football. Based on the location I could sell the LSU Alabama tickets and get back the entire value and make money. Nah, I wanna watch the game.

Keller

12-21-2021, 10:40 PM

I bought season tickets for LSU football. Based on the location I could sell the LSU Alabama tickets and get back the entire value and make money. Nah, I wanna watch the game.

You gonna take your faaaaaaahmily to the game? :snicker:

Gelston

12-22-2021, 02:12 PM

Texas A&M is forfeiting the GatorBowl due to not enough players because of COVID-19 issues. They are scrambling to find a new opponent for Wake Forest to play.

Keller

12-22-2021, 07:11 PM

Does Brian Kelly have any idea who is staff will be? I think he legit took the LSU job anticipating he would bring the whole crew with him and everyone worth keeping was like “nah, I’ll stay in South Bend.” I legit feel bad for Tigers fans. It is going to be a pretty rough few years.

Gelston

12-22-2021, 07:19 PM

Keller

12-22-2021, 07:28 PM

He brought like 3 dudes from ND. Since he was named our draft class rating jumped 18 spots. Kelly will be ok.

Brian Polian who wasn’t wanted in SB, the understudy to our S&C coach after our S&C coach said no to BK, and who else?

Gelston

12-22-2021, 07:32 PM

Brian Polian who wasn’t wanted in SB, the understudy to our S&C coach after our S&C coach said no to BK, and who else?

Lol, saltiness. Thought I saw athird but maybe not.

Keller

12-22-2021, 07:43 PM

He was ghosted by the AD and a President when he asked for an extension. None of his staff that had offers to stay at ND followed him. There is a reason he isn’t at ND anymore and even coaches that have been with him since the Grand Valley days stayed at ND rather than go to Baton Rouge.

BK is a great program builder but not a great in game coach and a terrible recruiter. I don’t think he lasts long enough at LSU to build a program and it will be a massive bust of a hire. Don’t trust me. Trust the professional coaches that turned down millions of dollars because they see why BK won’t do at LSU.

Gelston

12-22-2021, 07:55 PM

Keller

12-22-2021, 08:00 PM

He'll be able to recruit way better at LSU than he did at ND. We don't give AF about academics here.

He didn’t recruit. He doesn’t recruit. I agree his staff will be able to recruit players that would not academically qualify at ND, but he won’t be a difference maker as a recruiter because he won’t recruit.

Gelston

12-22-2021, 08:01 PM

He didn’t recruit. He doesn’t recruit. I agree his staff will be able to recruit players that would not academically qualify at ND, but he won’t be a difference maker as a recruiter because he won’t recruit.

Oh OK. Heard the same garbage tall in 2019. I don't expect miracles in 2022, but 2023, 24, will be great.

Keller

12-22-2021, 08:05 PM

Oh OK. Heard the same garbage tall in 2019. I don't expect miracles in 2022, but 2023, 24, will be great.

I’m just trying to help you manage your expectations.

Gelston

12-22-2021, 08:11 PM

I’m just trying to help you manage your expectations.

ND fans have always been terrible at that so....

Gelston

01-01-2022, 06:49 PM

This Rose Bowl is fucking wild. Dude juked someone so hard they broke their ankle. 5 TXs took place withing 3 minutes.

Parkbandit

01-02-2022, 11:24 AM

This Rose Bowl is fucking wild. Dude juked someone so hard they broke their ankle. 5 TXs took place withing 3 minutes.

Better than either of the "playoff" games..

So was the Fiesta.

Neveragain

01-10-2022, 12:17 AM

The Raiders head coach should receive the coach of the year.

Gelston

01-10-2022, 12:32 AM

The Raiders head coach should receive the coach of the year.

I'm betting they would have just let the time run out and go to a tie if the chargers hadn't called time out

Neveragain

01-10-2022, 12:47 AM

I'm betting they would have just let the time run out and go to a tie if the chargers hadn't called time out

Most likely.

The amount of shit that team went through this season, take the reigns and going to the playoffs. Dude deserves coach of the year.

beldannon5

01-10-2022, 01:06 AM

Yes I agree. As a huge Raiders fan I am shocked we made the playoffs. I am very happy we did though!!!

Parkbandit

01-10-2022, 08:18 AM

I'm betting they would have just let the time run out and go to a tie if the chargers hadn't called time out

Seriously, what a dumb timeout. Time runs out with a tie, you are in the playoffs.

What a great weekend for the NFL though. I'm not a fan of the 17th game, because records will be broken with an extra game.. but many of the games were highly entertaining with what was on the line.

Gelston

01-10-2022, 01:45 PM

Like 4 NFL head coaches just got canned.

Ardwen

01-10-2022, 02:59 PM

and yet Joe Judge wasn't one of them.

Gelston

01-10-2022, 03:04 PM

GM and HC at the bears are gone.

Also, fuck the bears.

Gelston

01-10-2022, 03:05 PM

Miami Dolphins had a 9-8 record and they still canned their HC.

Viekn

01-10-2022, 03:22 PM

Miami Dolphins had a 9-8 record and they still canned their HC.

Well, they started the year 1-7. Plus they're reporting he really didn't get along with other players and personnel. Not sure if it was right or wrong for Flores to go, but I don't see any reason why Ross (owner) decided to keep GM Grier. His draft and other personnel decisions over the past 3-4 years have been extremely lackluster. At this point, Ross just needs to hire someone else to handle all football decisions for him, including who to hire as GM and coach, because his record at picking the right people to handle this stuff is abysmal.

Ardwen

01-10-2022, 04:04 PM

Ross also decided not to target Harbaugh at Michigan because he is a huge MI guy, not the smartest logic but hey why worry about the Pro team more then the Colege team. Of course the college team likely makes a lot more money.

Parkbandit

01-10-2022, 04:42 PM

and yet Joe Judge wasn't one of them.

Not sure how he kept his job.... from the speech 2 weeks ago saying "At least we aren't fighting on the sidelines!" to this play:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uN3GoTFh_JI&ab_channel=NFL

Fuck the NFL.... this was the 3rd and 9 on their own 4 and they went with a QB sneak.......

At least Gettleman won't be back to fuck up another draft...

Gelston

01-10-2022, 05:22 PM

Well, they started the year 1-7. Plus they're reporting he really didn't get along with other players and personnel. Not sure if it was right or wrong for Flores to go, but I don't see any reason why Ross (owner) decided to keep GM Grier. His draft and other personnel decisions over the past 3-4 years have been extremely lackluster. At this point, Ross just needs to hire someone else to handle all football decisions for him, including who to hire as GM and coach, because his record at picking the right people to handle this stuff is abysmal.

That is true, and the decision made have already been made at that point.

Alfster

01-10-2022, 07:08 PM

GM and HC at the bears are gone.

Also, fuck the bears.

Hah. Same with the Vikings. Lefleur longest tenured coach in the nfc north is crazy

Gelston

01-10-2022, 10:19 PM

Fucking field goal battle.

Neveragain

01-10-2022, 11:06 PM

Fucking field goal battle.

Hopefully Georgia can pull this out. Bama can die in a fire.

Parkbandit

01-11-2022, 08:18 AM

It was a great game.

Shaps

01-23-2022, 11:36 AM

Dude! What happened to Tennessee and Green Bay! Damnnnnnnn...

And "Let's Go Burrow"! (he should copyright that - hehe)

Suppressed Poet

01-23-2022, 12:02 PM

As a Cowboys fan, I’m rather happy to see Green Bay choke.

Makkah

01-23-2022, 12:49 PM

Titans blew that shit. I've never been sold on Tannehill, especially now. Sucks for us Titans fans.

On the flip side... Auburn is about to be ranked #1 in the nation in men's basketball for the first time in program history. WDE!

Gelston

01-23-2022, 02:00 PM

Imagine if Burrow had an Oline.

Parkbandit

01-23-2022, 02:34 PM

Yesterdays games were pretty good.. both won on the final kick.

Bucs have a tough game today... so many injuries.

Not sure even Brady can pull this one off.

Ardwen

01-23-2022, 02:41 PM

The games were close, I wouldn't characterize what we saw as good football. In general the offenses lived up to their name and were offensive.

Gelston

01-23-2022, 04:19 PM

The games were close, I wouldn't characterize what we saw as good football. In general the offenses lived up to their name and were offensive.

I thought it was good football. Just gotta expand what you're looking for.

Ardwen

01-23-2022, 04:28 PM

Well executed offensive plays would have been a good start, not plays that made me want to execute the offenses.

SHAFT

01-23-2022, 04:38 PM

Well executed offensive plays would have been a good start, not plays that made me want to execute the offenses.

The NFL hasn't put a good product out this year. Between all the covid designations and blowouts its been a rough year.

Gelston

01-23-2022, 04:47 PM

Well executed offensive plays would have been a good start, not plays that made me want to execute the offenses.

Being an SEC fan, I grew up respecting defenses more.

Neveragain

01-23-2022, 06:00 PM

The NFL hasn't put a good product out this year. Between all the covid designations and blowouts its been a rough year.

The ref's this year basically ruined the season for me.

SHAFT

01-23-2022, 09:29 PM

The ref's this year basically ruined the season for me.

Yeah that too! The taunting calls and other bs calls fucking sucked.

The 2 games today have been amazing, though.

Neveragain

01-23-2022, 10:19 PM

Yeah that too! The taunting calls and other bs calls fucking sucked.

The 2 games today have been amazing, though.

The KC game was intense AF

beldannon5

01-23-2022, 10:21 PM

What an fng awesome game to watch. The ending blew balls. Bills should have kicked a squib kick taken a few seconds off the clock. Everyone in the world knew that and wanted that but the bills and the chiefs. Also it's pretty fucked up that one team can not get the ball in overtime. You make the whole game it's tied and because of a fking coin flip you lose. (yes you still play) but at that point bills defense was just gassed. Fk the chefs in their mcdonalds wearing clothes.

Gross. Still awesome game though

Neveragain

01-23-2022, 10:23 PM

I think Brady will retire.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-23-2022, 10:33 PM

I'd love to come up in here saying the Chiefs crushed it... but they didn't. Great game though. I think I heard 174 yards and 25 points in the final 1:54 of regular play. That's fucking nuts.

Suppressed Poet

01-23-2022, 10:34 PM

I think Brady will retire.

No way. Brady knows as soon as he is done with football that he has to start making payments towards the blood contract he made with the Devil. Brady will continue to play for as long as he can.

beldannon5

01-23-2022, 10:47 PM

I'd love to come up in here saying the Chiefs crushed it... but they didn't. Great game though. I think I heard 174 yards and 25 points in the final 1:54 of regular play. That's fucking nuts.

Yuck a Chiefs fan lol. Some stuff was blown by both teams at the end. ot rule is dumb and not kicking a squib kick. two bad things. Now I have to listen to Chef fans be all cocky, when I should be hearing them whine and moan.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-23-2022, 10:50 PM

Yuck a Chiefs fan lol. Some stuff was blown by both teams at the end. ot rule is dumb and not kicking a squib kick. two bad things. Now I have to listen to Chef fans be all cocky, when I should be hearing them whine and moan.

I've lived in Kansas City for 18 years now, so I feel kind of like I have to cheer for the home town team. If it helps you, I'm a life long Dallas fan, so I'm probably twice as insufferable as most football fans :)

beldannon5

01-23-2022, 10:54 PM

lol. I don't have an issue with Cowboy fans. (I know a lot of raider fans do for some reason) Yeah i have lived here for 11 years I am not switching lol

Neveragain

01-23-2022, 11:27 PM

No way. Brady knows as soon as he is done with football that he has to start making payments towards the blood contract he made with the Devil. Brady will continue to play for as long as he can.

Nah, Brady will be sought after for a coaching position.

Suppressed Poet

01-23-2022, 11:49 PM

Yes a coaching position would be appropriate for Brady, except the Devil will most certainly use all of his earthly powers to accelerate his mortality. Within a year of his retirement he will be caught on camera in somebody’s trailer sucking dick in exchange for a small amount of meth. All of his spectacular achievements in football shall be stripped due to exposed cheating tactics like deflating balls. He will die in agonizing humiliating pain; alone, broke, & penniless. Only then will Brady’s soul begin it’s sentence of eternal damnation. Such greatness comes at a terrible cost.

So I think he will play at least another year.

Gelston

01-24-2022, 05:20 AM

That games was good, but I'd like a change to OT rules. Each team should get a chance at the ball, you know Josh Allen would have gotten a TD too. Basically a coin toss won that.

Parkbandit

01-24-2022, 10:02 AM

The NFL hasn't put a good product out this year. Between all the covid designations and blowouts its been a rough year.

This didn't age well.

At all.

Wrathbringer

01-24-2022, 10:10 AM

Nah, Brady will be sought after for a coaching position.

Nah. I don't think anyone wants to work with Coach Brady. You'll get no input, he'll always act like he's right, throw a tantrum when someone else is right, when he's wrong everyone will gloss it over because he's TOM FUCKING BRADY, must have somehow been your fault. Fuck that guy. No one wants to work with that guy. Plus, he's a huge douche.

Gelston

01-24-2022, 10:12 AM

I'm pretty sure when Brady retires he is going to spend his time raising his kids. He and his wife are multimillionaires in their own rights, she has more money than him. If he coaches, it'll be for whatever his kids' teams are.

Parkbandit

01-24-2022, 11:00 AM

Gelston

01-24-2022, 11:16 AM

All this talk about Brady retiring.

I don't see it.

He wants to go out with fanfare and parades and such... getting beaten in the playoffs is not how it'll go down.

He will play next year and basically say it's his last year.. so in every stadium he can get a standing ovation as being the GOAT.

If the team is great and makes the playoffs.. great.. if not, at least he got a proper sendoff.

Maybe, maybe not. He has been non-committal. All he has said is that he feels like he could play at a high level into his 50s, but he isn't... So last season or the next 5 seasons... One of those is his last.

Ardwen

01-24-2022, 12:48 PM

I'm just glad we wound up with one great game for the weekend, last night was a show well worth watching.

I am not at all sure on Brady retiring, he's had mixed messages for years. Also I think he'd wind up in an ownership position sooner then coaching. 5 or 10 percent of some team or something.

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-24-2022, 04:03 PM

Gelston

01-24-2022, 04:26 PM

Parkbandit

01-24-2022, 04:39 PM

I'm bummed the Bucs are out. I was really hoping for a Chiefs/Bucs rematch, just because it'd have been great if only because it was a rematch. And Brady is still a top tier QB, I hope he sticks around a few more years.

Yea.. that game was an emotional rollercoaster... I went from "They have lost" to "They might be coming back" to "No, they definitely lost" to "HOLY SHIT THEY FUMBLED" to "OMG THEY ARE GOING TO TIE THIS FUCKING GAME UP!" to "Holy fuck.. how do you let their #1 WR get behind you with seconds left in the game??????" to "fuck.. I knew they were going to lose..."

beldannon5

01-24-2022, 04:47 PM

I really just want to say once more YOU SHOULD HAVE SQUIB KICKED IT BUFFALO YOU IDIOTS

beldannon5

01-24-2022, 04:48 PM

hill is quite fast

Gelston

01-24-2022, 04:54 PM

I mean, I do sorta like when the Chiefs do good for one reason...

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/272661285_10224699720097706_3609351980297200879_n. jpg?_nc_cat=109&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=sdhhq1CvTmkAX8FZRR4&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AT9m6G6o39IYxTs7qY708x0a3WuDpHBSodX40rGdSwhB Ig&oe=61F4D865

Stolis

01-24-2022, 05:48 PM

I don't see Brady retiring yet, not when he had one of his best statistical stat seasons in his career. That doesn't scream retire like when Manning literally limped into the Super Bowl and won it. Just doesn't make total sense to me, but I'm also not Tom Brady.

Wonder if he didn't put a couple hits out on the Def Coordinator for some bad play calls, and maybe the cornerback that just fucked up twice and let Cooper Kupp get behind him. WHHYYYYY?!?!?

Gelston

01-24-2022, 06:56 PM

Stolis

01-26-2022, 04:53 PM

Eh, his reasons for retirement will likely be more family based than not being able to play anymore.

I could see that. I'm hoping selfishly that's not the case, but I won't boo the man if that turns out to be his decision. Natural and obvious disappointment, but he brought a average team to championship level and then some in less than 2 years. That's a hell of an achievement.

Gelston

01-26-2022, 05:02 PM

I could see that. I'm hoping selfishly that's not the case, but I won't boo the man if that turns out to be his decision. Natural and obvious disappointment, but he brought a average team to championship level and then some in less than 2 years. That's a hell of an achievement.

Yeah, he is definitely an amazing player. People will point out all the talent around him, well, that goes to his leadership too. People wanted to come play with Brady. He built that team.

Suppressed Poet

01-26-2022, 05:10 PM

Best 6th round / 199th overall draft pick ever selected fo sho.

Suppressed Poet

01-26-2022, 05:16 PM

Dear Jerry Jones:

Please do something right for once in your ownership career by firing Mike McCarthy and hire Sean Payton.

Sincerely,

all Cowboys fans

Gelston

01-26-2022, 05:17 PM

Sean Payton is taking a year off and then going to the Bears.

Suppressed Poet

01-26-2022, 05:20 PM

Sean Payton is taking a year off and then going to the Bears.

Last I heard the Bears were interviewing and seriously considering Dan Quinn (Cowboys D coordinator) for the role of head coach.

Gelston

01-26-2022, 05:32 PM

Last I heard the Bears were interviewing and seriously considering Dan Quinn (Cowboys D coordinator) for the role of head coach.

Eh, Payton had a contract through 2024 with the Saints. The Bears started showing interest in him a couple months ago. Now he "retires". Sounds like the most likely thing to me.

Orthin

01-26-2022, 05:34 PM

Eh, Payton had a contract through 2024 with the Saints. The Bears started showing interest in him a couple months ago. Now he "retires". Sounds like the most likely thing to me.

I still even if he retires contractually he is still part of the Saints unless the Bears pay out the Saints or some ish. Least that is what the sports talk radio stuff says

Gelston

01-26-2022, 05:37 PM

I still even if he retires contractually he is still part of the Saints unless the Bears pay out the Saints or some ish. Least that is what the sports talk radio stuff says

They have a deal they were putting together that would include some picks and player trades to lower the salary cap the Saints are at. The actual deal is all hearsay, but who knows.

Suppressed Poet

01-26-2022, 07:26 PM

As a Texas Tech alumni I love Patrick Mahomes. Plus he is just an all around good dude. But…his wife & family are trash.

Not cool to spray champagne on fans from your comfortable heated balcony when it’s colder than a dead Eskimo’s titty outside.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/AB-CHAMPAGNE-COMP-2.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-26-2022, 07:47 PM

I live in KC and they are pretty well known trash. His brother and wife are absolute instafamous douchebags.

Suppressed Poet

01-26-2022, 07:57 PM

I live in KC and they are pretty well known trash. His brother and wife are absolute instafamous douchebags.

I’ll be in KC next week February 1st -3rd for my company’s annual sales conference. Looking forward to some good KC BBQ. What’s the best joint in town?

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-26-2022, 08:25 PM

I’ll be in KC next week February 1st -3rd for my company’s annual sales conference. Looking forward to some good KC BBQ. What’s the best joint in town?

Old school BBQ, Arthur Bryants. Wouldn't go there at night though. Best gas station BBQ in the nation is hands down https://www.joeskc.com/ That's where I'd go, and I'd get the z-man.

Neveragain

01-26-2022, 08:29 PM

Suppa Hobbit Mage

01-26-2022, 08:48 PM

Do you know if the Lobster Pot is still in business?

Not BBQ but that place was the bomb.

Not heard of it

Gelston

01-28-2022, 07:13 PM

Brady's retirement is said to imminent with na announcement expected to come in days.

Gelston

01-29-2022, 03:09 PM

And his retirement is official.

Parkbandit

01-29-2022, 03:13 PM

And his retirement is official.

Damn.

Bucs are going to sucs again...

Gelston

01-29-2022, 03:15 PM

Damn.

Bucs are going to sucs again...

Yep. I'm ready to see all the "I've always been a Buc's fan!!!!" people disappear.

Stanley Burrell

01-29-2022, 03:54 PM

You wanna get random? I'll get random sports talks with y'all.

O.K., the Mets owner is like Steinbrenner and the Yanks are super-reserved so it's gonna be party time, all the time, in Citi Field and my Yankees are going to be shit because our guy is not a ridiculous spender.

And has all our scouts in Antarctica.

Plus, I don't know the status of it, but will the fucking multimillionaires stop beefing with the multibillionaires and visa-versa so that Spring Training can start happening: Baseball is America. Enough.

Stanley Burrell

01-29-2022, 03:54 PM

Oh; and Comcast, give me back the MSG channel.

f

Gelston

01-29-2022, 04:59 PM

Brady is apparently pissed that his retirement was leaked and announced.

I'd unretire and move to the Saints just to say fuck you.

Gelston

01-29-2022, 06:36 PM

Now his father is saying his son isn't retiring.

Parkbandit

01-29-2022, 07:10 PM

Someone close to him was used as a source and they told whoever that he was retiring.. so the news, in a rush to get out first and not necessarily accurate, ran with it.

Honestly, after the last week and him using words like "satisfied" and that it'll be a family decision.. I won't be surprised if he retires... but I would have liked to have one more year.. with him saying "This is my final year" and give him the departure in every stadium that he deserves. How happy was Roethlisberger after he said this would probably be his last year?!

Gelston

01-29-2022, 08:09 PM

Ardwen

01-29-2022, 08:23 PM

Roethlisberger officially announced he was retiring like 2 days ago. Until it was just supposition.

Gelston

01-29-2022, 09:02 PM

Roethlisberger officially announced he was retiring like 2 days ago. Until it was just supposition.

He already said he was, it just became official.

Parkbandit

01-30-2022, 08:45 AM

He already said he was, it just became official.

Yea. Roethlisberger was doing interviews before the end of the regular season... that this will probably be my final game at home in Pittsburgh.

And he was celebrated.

Now he could have come back and said "Just kidding guys!" but the way he went out was a good sendoff for a future hall of famer.

And I just wanted that for Brady.

Gelston

01-30-2022, 03:54 PM

Yea. Roethlisberger was doing interviews before the end of the regular season... that this will probably be my final game at home in Pittsburgh.

And he was celebrated.

Now he could have come back and said "Just kidding guys!" but the way he went out was a good sendoff for a future hall of famer.

And I just wanted that for Brady.

Yeah I remember his last game at Pittsburg they made a big deal of it.

Shaps

01-30-2022, 10:58 PM

Dude... GO BENGALS! That dude Burrow has ice in his veins.

Parkbandit

01-31-2022, 09:18 AM

Dude... GO BENGALS! That dude Burrow has ice in his veins.

Once again, great football weekend. Both games decided at the very end.

Parkbandit

02-01-2022, 09:46 AM

And NOW it's official: Tom Brady has retired after 22 seasons.

Happy Retirement GOAT.

Archigeek

02-01-2022, 10:23 AM

And NOW it's official: Tom Brady has retired after 22 seasons.

Happy Retirement GOAT.

I saw a crazy graphic yesterday that claimed that he has more playoff wins than any FRANCHISE except for Green Bay, which has one more than he does.

Parkbandit

02-01-2022, 01:15 PM

I saw a crazy graphic yesterday that claimed that he has more playoff wins than any FRANCHISE except for Green Bay, which has one more than he does.

To put Brady's success in context, he has more playoff wins than any franchise except the Patriots (with whom he shares most of their 37 wins), the Packers (36) and the Steelers (36). He has the same number of wins as the Cowboys (35) and has two more than the 49ers (33).

.

Gelston

02-01-2022, 01:17 PM

Brady has more Superbowl wins than any team.

Parkbandit

02-01-2022, 01:21 PM

Not sure why the link is only a period in my post... but I'm too lazy to edit it.

Just trust me.

Methais

02-01-2022, 01:57 PM

Not sure why the link is only a period in my post... but I'm too lazy to edit it.

Just trust me.

There is no link. Reported.

Suppressed Poet

02-02-2022, 12:36 AM

Old school BBQ, Arthur Bryants. Wouldn't go there at night though. Best gas station BBQ in the nation is hands down https://www.joeskc.com/ That's where I'd go, and I'd get the z-man.

Hey so I’m in KC and for dinner tonight they catered Jack Stack BBQ. It was good. I still prefer Texas BBQ with the thin sauce and a little more spice, but the ribs were good. What I really liked was they had this side dish of corn, little bits of ham, and it was covered in this cheese sauce like macaroni. Also their corn bread was the bomb!

Last…they passed out these bags of “Topsy’s” popcorn…. I gotta find some more.

beldannon5

02-02-2022, 12:37 AM

they have some topsy's locations. also did you bring the snow? ALso their cheesy corn so good!!!!

Suppressed Poet

02-02-2022, 12:39 AM

they have some topsy's locations. also did you bring the snow?

No but what sucks is my flight back to Dallas Thursday got canceled. All Southwest flights to Dallas Thursday are canceled in anticipation of the snowpocalypse…. I gotta figure out tomorrow how I’m getting home.

Makkah

02-02-2022, 07:48 AM

Auburn swept Bama in basketball last night 100-81. Pretty badass.

Gelston

02-02-2022, 10:10 AM

And 100% official, Washington Commanders.

Parkbandit

02-02-2022, 11:55 AM

And 100% official, Washington Commanders.

Took them 2 years to come up with that?

No wonder they are a terrible football team.

Gelston

02-07-2022, 04:55 PM

Looking worse and worse for the Saints next season. Now Kamara has legal issues and faces 1-5 years.

Shaps

02-07-2022, 06:43 PM

Looking worse and worse for the Saints next season. Now Kamara has legal issues and faces 1-5 years.

Ouch. Looks like Payton stepped away just fast enough.

Gelston

02-07-2022, 06:45 PM

Dennis Allen, current DC for the Saints, named new HC.

Shaps

02-07-2022, 07:15 PM

Dennis Allen, current DC for the Saints, named new HC.

Looking at his record from time at the Raiders.. ehhhh.. maybe this time will go better?

I still hate that Flores did what he did, because hiring him now is to much hoopla around the situation... but I liked him as a coach and I could have seen him being a really good fit for them.

Parkbandit

03-13-2022, 07:42 PM

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beldannon5

03-13-2022, 08:10 PM

anyone else not know the cheater would be back? lol

Parkbandit

03-13-2022, 09:12 PM

anyone else not know the cheater would be back? lol

I was speaking with my brother.. who is also a Raiders fan.. and he was equally salty.

I would be too if I had to go back to almost 4 decades to relive the last super bowl victory...

beldannon5

03-13-2022, 11:04 PM

I was speaking with my brother.. who is also a Raiders fan.. and he was equally salty.

I would be too if I had to go back to almost 4 decades to relive the last super bowl victory...

definetly sucks to be cheated out of it 3 years in a row for sure. AL Davis went senile and it's been bad ever since

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 08:40 AM

definetly sucks to be cheated out of it 3 years in a row for sure. AL Davis went senile and it's been bad ever since

It's been bad for decades.

Since their last appearance in a Superbowl (against the Bucs... I won so.much.money. that day..) in 2002, they have had:

* 14 losing seasons. And I'm not talking about just a 7-9 record... there are some real stinkers in there.

* 110-195 record

* 12 seasons of double digit losses.

* 4 seasons where they hit .500

* 2 "winning" seasons where they made the playoffs only to lose the wildcard game.

And yes.. I love rubbing that in my brother's face whenever he goes on about "his raiders"...

Methais

03-14-2022, 09:13 AM

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Gelston

03-14-2022, 09:14 AM

Brady saw inflation and gas prices and realized he needed to get back to work.

beldannon5

03-14-2022, 10:31 AM

It's been bad for decades.

Since their last appearance in a Superbowl (against the Bucs... I won so.much.money. that day..) in 2002, they have had:

* 14 losing seasons. And I'm not talking about just a 7-9 record... there are some real stinkers in there.

* 110-195 record

* 12 seasons of double digit losses.

* 4 seasons where they hit .500

* 2 "winning" seasons where they made the playoffs only to lose the wildcard game.

And yes.. I love rubbing that in my brother's face whenever he goes on about "his raiders"...

Weird how with the bad 4 decades we still have a better winning percentage then a lot of teams and more superbowls then most.

beldannon5

03-14-2022, 10:33 AM

Don't get ne wrong it's been a bad time since 2002.

Gelston

03-14-2022, 10:37 AM

Don't get ne wrong it's been a bad time since 2002.

Not as bad as the guy that paid 518k for Brady's "last" TD ball.

I guess it still technically is.

Gelston

03-14-2022, 11:02 AM

Deshaun Watson is meeting with the Saints and the Panthers over the next two days.

Suppressed Poet

03-14-2022, 12:32 PM

I suppose Tom Brady the 2nd greatest QB of all time still feels like he has got something to prove.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 02:56 PM

Not as bad as the guy that paid 518k for Brady's "last" TD ball.

I guess it still technically is.

If you have 518K to spend on a football, you probably aren't homeless.

And with all the notoriety its receiving, I bet you Brady will take care of him.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 02:58 PM

I suppose Tom Brady the 2nd greatest QB of all time still feels like he has got something to prove.

Who's the 1st?

Please don't say Manning.

While I was on that Manning train 10 years ago... Brady has removed all doubt who is the GOAT in the past decade.

Methais

03-14-2022, 02:59 PM

Who's the 1st?

Please don't say Manning.

While I was on that Manning train 10 years ago... Brady has removed all doubt who is the GOAT in the past decade.

He's clearly referring to Kaepernick.

https://c.tenor.com/S2G-QZk-Vz0AAAAM/michael-jordan-laughing.gif

onurb

03-14-2022, 04:53 PM

Gelston

03-14-2022, 04:59 PM

Bucs fan here, no not a bandwagoner, I don't live far from the stadium. Never was a big fan of Brady, mostly because he was affiliated with the Patriots and I have been anti-Patriot for quite some time. Not sure why maybe because they had a dynasty and I am not a fan of teams staying on top too long, like having new teams in the playoffs/superbowl, always vote for the underdog if my team isn't in it. Anyways, Brady came to the Bucs so I was forced to support him. He should have retired after he won that last superbowl. Very few quarterbacks have ever retired while on top, Elway was the last one I can think of, won 2 superbowls and retired.

As for the comment above... I do think Manning is the best QB of all time. You have to look beyond just superbowl rings. Not every QB is blessed with a great team to work with. Example... Barry Sanders.. best RB of all times and 0 rings. I do think brady has done great things, and is one of the best, but I'd take Marino, Aikman, or Manning in their primes over Brady if building a team.

Brady is still on top. His last ten year stats are basically the same as the 10 years prior.

And sure, you can say "look beyond Superbowl rings" but nah, Brady is the GOAT. He has more than anyone and did it on two different teams. Love Manning, all three of them, but Brady has just been a dominant force in Football for the last 20 years. I don't think you can really apply that the same to any other QB.

onurb

03-14-2022, 05:34 PM

The bucks were a stacked team with no QB, that's why he went there. Again, good QB put into a great situation... of course he will win.

Put Brady on the Lions and no one will be saying GOAT...

Methais

03-14-2022, 05:39 PM

The bucks were a stacked team with no QB, that's why he went there. Again, good QB put into a great situation... of course he will win.

Put Brady on the Lions and no one will be saying GOAT...

Brady's new thing each year should be going to the worst team from the previous season to see how far he can get. Like replaying a game on ultra hard mode.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 06:37 PM

Bucs fan here, no not a bandwagoner, I don't live far from the stadium. Never was a big fan of Brady, mostly because he was affiliated with the Patriots and I have been anti-Patriot for quite some time. Not sure why maybe because they had a dynasty and I am not a fan of teams staying on top too long, like having new teams in the playoffs/superbowl, always vote for the underdog if my team isn't in it. Anyways, Brady came to the Bucs so I was forced to support him. He should have retired after he won that last superbowl. Very few quarterbacks have ever retired while on top, Elway was the last one I can think of, won 2 superbowls and retired.

As for the comment above... I do think Manning is the best QB of all time. You have to look beyond just superbowl rings. Not every QB is blessed with a great team to work with. Example... Barry Sanders.. best RB of all times and 0 rings. I do think brady has done great things, and is one of the best, but I'd take Marino, Aikman, or Manning in their primes over Brady if building a team.

Manning was the last QB to win the Superbowl and then retire... ironically, for the same team John Elway did it.

There isn't any quantifiable stat that supports your claim that Manning is the best QB of all time... while there are plenty for Brady.

Brady's biggest knock against being the GOAT was that he was playing under a system and coach that did it for him. That was put to rest when Brady won the superbowl as a Buccaneer.

Also, why do you believe that Brady wasn't on top last year?

Here were his stats last year:

#1 in Pass Attempts
#1 in Pass Completions
#1 in Passing Yards
#1 in TD Passes

With the exception of maybe Aaron Rodgers, there isn't a QB that wouldn't want the stat year he had.

He was certainly at the top of his game and he was 1 throw away from beating the LA Rams.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 06:40 PM

The bucks were a stacked team with no QB, that's why he went there. Again, good QB put into a great situation... of course he will win.

Put Brady on the Lions and no one will be saying GOAT...

Jameis Winston stat line in 2019:

#1 in Passing Yards
#1 in Passing Attempts
#2 in Passing TDs

No QB?

Are you sure we are watching the same sport?

onurb

03-14-2022, 07:15 PM

Manning was the last QB to win the Superbowl and then retire... ironically, for the same team John Elway did it.

There isn't any quantifiable stat that supports your claim that Manning is the best QB of all time... while there are plenty for Brady.

Brady's biggest knock against being the GOAT was that he was playing under a system and coach that did it for him. That was put to rest when Brady won the superbowl as a Buccaneer.

Also, why do you believe that Brady wasn't on top last year?

Here were his stats last year:

#1 in Pass Attempts
#1 in Pass Completions
#1 in Passing Yards
#1 in TD Passes

With the exception of maybe Aaron Rodgers, there isn't a QB that wouldn't want the stat year he had.

He was certainly at the top of his game and he was 1 throw away from beating the LA Rams.

I forgot about Manning winning and retiring lol, guess I was thinking too far back. As far as stats go, I won't argue with your numbers, numbers don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story either. They don't tell you that any decent QB could have had the stats Brady did with the Bucs last year. I'd agree with what Methais said, if Brady truly wanted to show the world he was a GOAT he would have joined a team that sucked.

Another thing to think about is... would Brady have had those stats if he had to play with a fully inflated ball his entire career?

Gelston

03-14-2022, 07:20 PM

I forgot about Manning winning and retiring lol, guess I was thinking too far back. As far as stats go, I won't argue with your numbers, numbers don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story either. They don't tell you that any decent QB could have had the stats Brady did with the Bucs last year. I'd agree with what Methais said, if Brady truly wanted to show the world he was a GOAT he would have joined a team that sucked.

Another thing to think about is... would Brady have had those stats if he had to play with a fully inflated ball his entire career?

Look, Superbowls matter. Do you think anyone loves a team that makes it to the playoffs every year and loses? Hey! We had great players! They just can't seal the deal! No, if your team isn't winning championships, your team isn't good enough.

No. Winning Superbowls matters. Brady's stats are fucking amazing regardless, but 7 Superbowls is just unheard of. You can argue whatever you want, but he closes. That is the biggest thing for any player really.

onurb

03-14-2022, 07:37 PM

Gelston

03-14-2022, 07:42 PM

Roblar

03-14-2022, 08:22 PM

I think Bird is more of a goat than Jordan too :)

Bad enough take I've been reading, but this too...!

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Neveragain

03-14-2022, 08:45 PM

Bad enough take I've been reading, but this too...!

https://media.giphy.com/media/htiVRuP7N0XK/giphy.gif

A player couldn't come within a 3 foot radius of Jordan without catching a foul.

Also:

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/03/13/PIND/20f05d54-1988-421b-9d76-aba79f5056da-0313_big_ten_title_iowa-purdue_JRW011.JPG?width=2560

onurb

03-14-2022, 08:48 PM

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Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 09:03 PM

I forgot about Manning winning and retiring lol, guess I was thinking too far back. As far as stats go, I won't argue with your numbers, numbers don't lie, but they don't tell the whole story either. They don't tell you that any decent QB could have had the stats Brady did with the Bucs last year. I'd agree with what Methais said, if Brady truly wanted to show the world he was a GOAT he would have joined a team that sucked.

Problem with playing the hypothetical game is that there's no way to actually prove one way or the other. I'm only dealing with facts.

Fact: Brady had one of his most successful seasons (even garnering MVP votes for the league) in 2021.

He was certainly at the top of the game.

Another thing to think about is... would Brady have had those stats if he had to play with a fully inflated ball his entire career?

Wasn't that already disproven? I thought I read a story about that being much to do about absolutely nothing.

But let's say you bought into it... that happened in 2014? 2015? So you know the balls have been checked/double checked and triple checked after that... and Brady only has won 4 superbowls since then?

Seems like deflategate was much to do about nothing.

Suppressed Poet

03-14-2022, 09:07 PM

Manning is great but I’d put him behind Brady.

Nobody comes even close to the GOAT… Colin Kaepernick. ��

Also he is trying to make a comeback as well.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 09:07 PM

anyways my claim was... I think manning is the best qb of all times. I did not say he had the best statistics of all times. if you want to see good stats, you'd plug manning in for brady during all the opportunities brady had. but its ok to think he's a goat if you like him and believe that. I just believe otherwise. Manning 1st and Marino a close second. I think Bird is more of a goat than Jordan too :)

So..

Manning doesn't have the best stats.

Manning doesn't have the most Superbowl wins.

Manning doesn't have the best team records.

But you just "think" Manning is the best QB of all time.

I can't even argue with your reasoning... your argument is that if Manning played the Patriots, he would have had done even better than Brady.

Hypotheticals mean absolute shit to me... because you can't prove or disprove it.

Don't even get me started on Bird vs. Jordan. No way.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 09:09 PM

Manning is great but I’d put him behind Brady.

Nobody comes even close to the GOAT…

I think they are close... I would put Montana/P Manning/Marino/Favre up there.. but in every statistical/record/SB number: No one beats Brady.

Neveragain

03-14-2022, 09:10 PM

Seems like deflategate was much to do about nothing.

One of the dumbest excuses ever.

I still believe that Dick Butkus is the OG of all time.

https://alchetron.com/cdn/dick-butkus-675c2d62-66b9-4d32-822b-ed25f0e8336-resize-750.jpeg

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 09:16 PM

Not sure if this is going to copy/paste, but let's see:

Brady owns the NFL’s record bookAll-time NFL rankings for Tom Brady in significant statistical categories

CATEGORY
VALUE
ALL-TIME RANK

Super Bowl wins
7
1st

Super Bowl appearances
10
1st

Super Bowl MVPs
5
1st

NFL MVPs
3
T-2nd

Pro Bowl selections
15
1st

Games started
316
1st

Playoff games started
47
1st

QB regular-season wins
243
1st

QB playoff wins
35
1st

Pass completions
7,263
1st

Passing yards
84,520
1st

Passing touchdowns
624
1st

Playoff pass completions
1,165
1st

Playoff passing yards
13,049
1st

Playoff passing touchdowns
86
1st

Game-winning drives*
67
1st

Fourth-quarter comebacks*
51
1st

Suppressed Poet

03-14-2022, 09:16 PM

I think they are close... I would put Montana/P Manning/Marino/Favre up there.. but in every statistical/record/SB number: No one beats Brady.

Joking aside I agree Brady is the best.

Drew Brees and Troy Aikmam should be in the top 10 conversation. Yes Aikmam had a great team around him during the good years (with hands down the best RB to ever play), but he was exceptionally accurate, well poised, and a great leader.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 10:00 PM

Joking aside I agree Brady is the best.

Drew Brees and Troy Aikmam should be in the top 10 conversation. Yes Aikmam had a great team around him during the good years (with hands down the best RB to ever play), but he was exceptionally accurate, well poised, and a great leader.

Drew Brees absolutely. Troy Aikman? No way. He's not in the top 10 imo. He was too hurt most of the time.

Velfi

03-14-2022, 10:19 PM

Clearly the GOAT is Doug Flutie. Ever hear of Manning Flakes? Me neither.

Parkbandit

03-14-2022, 10:39 PM

Clearly the GOAT is Doug Flutie. Ever hear of Manning Flakes? Me neither.

At least that is a fact!

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onurb

03-14-2022, 10:41 PM

I'd put Bernie Kosar in the top 10 as well.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 07:58 AM

I'd put Bernie Kosar in the top 10 as well.

OK, see this is information we needed!

You are a crazy person and there is no way to debate you.

Bernie Kosar in the top 10. Holy hell.. is he really even in the top 50?

Who specifically are you going to put him ahead of and why?

My top 10.. but not in a specific order (except the GOAT)

TOM BRADY
Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Joe Montana
Drew Brees
John Elway
Aaron Rodgers
Brett Favre
Roger Staubach
Johnny Unitas

I'm just including the ones I watched on tv at some point in time. I barely remember Unitas, but I remember watching him with my dad and him telling me he was the greatest QB to ever play the game.

Who on that list does Bernie Kosar deserve to be ahead of? And these are just the QB's in MY list... I'm sure there are old QBs that I've never watched that were amazing in their day... that literally reinvented the QB position.

Orthin

03-15-2022, 08:12 AM

Drew Brees absolutely. Troy Aikman? No way. He's not in the top 10 imo. He was too hurt most of the time.

Agreed I would have rather had Young over Aikman IMO

onurb

03-15-2022, 10:17 AM

You are a crazy person and there is no way to debate you.

dude that was a joke lol. ppl started throwing names out there like doug flutie so I threw out a classic too. anyways, look, I'll give a final comments on this before we move onto running backs. if I had to build an nfl dream team, brady would not be my quarterback. you know darn well if you had to do that you have to look beyond stats because at that point you know any QB you choose will have a team full of legends to throw to and would be on an equal playing field. I am not disputing the stats that brady has at all. and if everyone here, and the world, want to use stats to be the determining factor to be the goat, so be it. I just am not a fan of the whole goat thing, it's unfair to those great players who play for crappy teams.

Gelston

03-15-2022, 10:23 AM

dude that was a joke lol. ppl started throwing names out there like doug flutie so I threw out a classic too. anyways, look, I'll give a final comments on this before we move onto running backs. if I had to build an nfl dream team, brady would not be my quarterback. you know darn well if you had to do that you have to look beyond stats because at that point you know any QB you choose will have a team full of legends to throw to and would be on an equal playing field. I am not disputing the stats that brady has at all. and if everyone here, and the world, want to use stats to be the determining factor to be the goat, so be it. I just am not a fan of the whole goat thing, it's unfair to those great players who play for crappy teams.

It depends on the rules being followed. Modern rules? I'd have Brady. 70's-80s? Joe Montana or Roger Staubach. '90s? Elway, Marino, or maybe Aikman.

Suppressed Poet

03-15-2022, 10:40 AM

Aikman had more than Staubach in:

Super Bowl wins
game wins
TD passes
passing yards

I acknowledge football was a different game between those two generations, but I think Aikmam was a better more complete QB. People dismiss Aikman because as noted his injuries cut his career short and the team (and Aikman) went into rapid decline in the late 90s…but Aikman had a golden arm and leadership qualities to keep a team of drugged up primadonnas focused.

And last to say as a Cowboys fan I appreciate both, so I don’t intend to take away from Staubach. I just feel Aikman doesn’t get the credit he deserves as a football player.

onurb

03-15-2022, 10:42 AM

Top 10....

Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Troy Aikman
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Joe Namath

Runner up....
Drew Bledsoe

Gelston

03-15-2022, 10:43 AM

Aikman had more than Staubach in:

Super Bowls
game wins
TD passes
passing yards

I acknowledge football was a different game between those two generations, but I think Aikmam was a better more complete QB. People dismiss Aikman because as noted his injuries cut his career short and the team (and Aikman) went into rapid decline in the late 90s…but Aikman had a golden arm and leadership qualities to keep a team of drugged up primadonnas focused.

Aikman has 1 Superbowl more, 12 more TDs, but like 40 more INTs. Staubach spent 4 of his prime football years in the Navy and Vietnam. Staubach has a way better passer rating too.

I think Staubach could have been great in Aikman's era, but I don't think Aikman could have been as good in Staubach's. I mean, we're really only talking about a 20 year difference here but it makes a big difference in the way plays are called and the kinds of defenses and offenses you see out there.

Suppressed Poet

03-15-2022, 10:58 AM

Aikman has 1 Superbowl more, 12 more TDs, but like 40 more INTs. Staubach spent 4 of his prime football years in the Navy and Vietnam. Staubach has a way better passer rating too.

I think Staubach could have been great in Aikman's era, but I don't think Aikman could have been as good in Staubach's. I mean, we're really only talking about a 20 year difference here but it makes a big difference in the way plays are called and the kinds of defenses and offenses you see out there.

You make good points. I agree there was a big difference in how the game of football was played in the years that separated them.

Both were good. Maybe top 10 good. I like them both. Brady is the GOAT. I like Brady as a person and respect him as a player.

Methais

03-15-2022, 11:51 AM

I'd agree with what Methais said, if Brady truly wanted to show the world he was a GOAT he would have joined a team that sucked.

I didn't say anything about doing it to prove he's the GOAT. He is the GOAT and doesn't need to do shit to prove it anymore.

I meant he should do it just because, kind of like the worst team getting #1 draft picks. They should give Tom Brady to the worst team after each season, for the next season.

Gelston

03-15-2022, 11:53 AM

I didn't say anything about doing it to prove he's the GOAT. He is the GOAT and doesn't need to do shit to prove it anymore.

I meant he should do it just because, kind of like the worst team getting #1 draft picks. They should give Tom Brady to the worst team after each season, for the next season.

He should join the Saints.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 12:47 PM

dude that was a joke lol. ppl started throwing names out there like doug flutie so I threw out a classic too.

You also said Bird was the GOAT over MJ... which is why I thought you were being serious.

anyways, look, I'll give a final comments on this before we move onto running backs. if I had to build an nfl dream team, brady would not be my quarterback. you know darn well if you had to do that you have to look beyond stats because at that point you know any QB you choose will have a team full of legends to throw to and would be on an equal playing field. I am not disputing the stats that brady has at all. and if everyone here, and the world, want to use stats to be the determining factor to be the goat, so be it. I just am not a fan of the whole goat thing, it's unfair to those great players who play for crappy teams.

I use stats because they are quantifiable. Gut feelings are not. Opinions are not. Using the QB from my favorite team is not. Not using the QB from a team I hate is not.

Thankfully, most people who know football recognize that Brady is indeed the GOAT.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 01:03 PM

Top 10....

Peyton Manning
Dan Marino
Troy Aikman
Tom Brady
Kurt Warner
Drew Brees
Joe Montana
Steve Young
John Elway
Joe Namath

Runner up....
Drew Bledsoe

I don't see Namath there at all...

Aikman is not top 10 material at all.. and it's not really his fault. Cowboys were a run first team.. if you look at his production in the 3rd and 4th quarter of games... he was virtually non-existent because all they did was hand the ball to Smith and watch him pound away.

Kurt Warner is a great story and all.. but he only had 2 great years really... and many more stinkers. He had way too many injuries and after 3-4 years (I don't remember exactly.. maybe 5?) with St. Louis.. he became a journeyman QB. 2 years of great football doesn't make you a top 10 of greatest of all time. I have Dan Fouts above him just because of what he did to transform the game.. but he was the same way.. a few great years.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 01:08 PM

He should join the Saints.

Saints beat him twice last year... their D built to stop Tampa.

I really hope they don't get Watson.. that will be a tough team to beat if they stick with the Sean Payton system.

Methais

03-15-2022, 01:42 PM

You also said Bird was the GOAT over MJ... which is why I thought you were being serious.

Bird is the white GOAT.

onurb

03-15-2022, 01:47 PM

Bird is the white GOAT.

Bird wasn't a ball hog.

My two favorites of all times...

https://i.ibb.co/y8HLT1x/birdbill.png

Methais

03-15-2022, 01:53 PM

Bird wasn't a ball hog.

This is correct.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baBdnA7cui0

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 02:10 PM

Bird wasn't a ball hog.

Fun fact: Michael Jordan had 62 less assists than Larry bird.

Methais

03-15-2022, 02:32 PM

I watched a Lebron assist highlight reel after the Larry Bird one and that shit was boring as fuck after watching Bird.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 02:39 PM

I watched a Lebron assist highlight reel after the Larry Bird one and that shit was boring as fuck after watching Bird.

I watched a Lebron flop highlight reel... and that was funny as fuck.

Methais

03-15-2022, 02:40 PM

I watched a Lebron flop highlight reel... and that was funny as fuck.

Jussie James.

onurb

03-15-2022, 03:16 PM

Gelston

03-15-2022, 03:36 PM

Saints beat him twice last year... their D built to stop Tampa.

I really hope they don't get Watson.. that will be a tough team to beat if they stick with the Sean Payton system.

Saints have beat him 4 times at the Buccs. Still lost when it mattered most. And I still want him as our QB.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 04:17 PM

I actually stopped actively watching NBA years ago, just now and then during the playoffs. Orlando Magic was my team, I was a huge Shaq supporter. It just seems like basketball isn't as enjoyable anymore after all the legends retired.

Same. I really haven't followed basketball in years.

Parkbandit

03-15-2022, 04:18 PM

Saints have beat him 4 times at the Buccs.

https://c.tenor.com/hvbuW9YSrZ0AAAAC/tom-brady-4th-down.gif

Methais

03-15-2022, 04:36 PM

I actually stopped actively watching NBA years ago, just now and then during the playoffs. Orlando Magic was my team, I was a huge Shaq supporter. It just seems like basketball isn't as enjoyable anymore after all the legends retired.

They don't have to dribble anymore. You can usually take like 10 steps without getting called for traveling.

onurb

03-17-2022, 12:27 PM

I actually had a funny experience where michael jordan was involved....

This was in the early to mid 90s, after jordan retired from basketball. he was in the town of sarasota, the town I was living in at the time, playing baseball with the chicago white sox. Well every monday night me and my friends would go to this sports bar called the sarasota clubhouse bar and grill and watch monday night football. It was a popular place and was always jam packed with people for monday night football. So anyways me and my friends were sitting in a booth watching the game and in comes this entourage of people. there must have been about 30+ large black men (some of them were huge, must have been body guards) that came in through the front door. the owner of the bar came out and greeted them all and then I saw mj was with them. they put about 8 tables together, near where I was sitting, for them all to sit at. after some time went buy I told my friends I wanted to buy mj a shot. so I called for our waitress, told her I would like to send a shot of jager to mj over there. I told her when she gives him the shot to point over at me lol. anyways she delivered the shot, she pointed at me, he glanced at me for a couple seconds, then looked away. he then slid the shot to someone at their table to drink.

the only other experience I had with a pro sports player was ralph sampson. this was when 13 yo I think and i was visiting relatives in michigan my dad took me to see an nba game. the pistons were playing the rockets. back when they had the twin towers (sampson and olajuwon). we had good seats, very near the rockets players. I leaned over the rail and asked sampson for an autograph. he denied me!

anyone had any experiences with prop sports players?

Parkbandit

03-19-2022, 07:35 AM

WTF?

Devonte to Raiders?

Watson to Browns?

So many surprises this off season.

onurb

03-19-2022, 01:53 PM

geez they gave up 3 first rounders for watson.. not worth it imo

Gelston

03-19-2022, 02:17 PM

230m guaranteed with a base salary of 1m too. Any fines he gets come out that 1m base. Dude is still facing shit tons of civil litigation.

Parkbandit

03-19-2022, 04:51 PM

geez they gave up 3 first rounders for watson.. not worth it imo

Yea. I get the urgency in Cleveland... but that is a lot of money and draft choices to give to a guy that will be suspended for at LEAST 6 games and hasn't thrown a down in a year.

onurb

03-19-2022, 10:01 PM

I guess cleveland is going all in and trying to make a run for it. but they will easily get crushed by the rams, chiefs, or bucs.

onurb

03-24-2022, 03:52 PM

#1 Bird
#2 Chamberlain
#3 Jordan

Gelston

03-24-2022, 04:04 PM

lol, Deshaun Watson is once again under threat of criminal indictment by a Texas Grand Jury.

GG Cleveland, especially since all that money is guaranteed.

Alfster

03-24-2022, 04:25 PM

Cleveland's pretty good at self sabotage. That contract makes no sense.

Parkbandit

03-24-2022, 06:27 PM

Cleveland's pretty good at self sabotage. That contract makes no sense.

And it's all guaranteed too.... how Watson managed that is beyond me.

He may never play another down in the NFL either...

Gelston

03-25-2022, 12:11 AM

Second grand jury declined to indict.

beldannon5

03-25-2022, 01:42 AM

You know who is getting the raw end of the deal in all this is Trevor Bauer. Guy likes to bite asses and stuff but has been on admin leave since last year. and still is.

Parkbandit

03-25-2022, 08:27 AM

You know who is getting the raw end of the deal in all this is Trevor Bauer. Guy likes to bite asses and stuff but has been on admin leave since last year. and still is.

Who?

What team does he play for?

Gelston

03-25-2022, 09:43 AM

Who?

What team does he play for?

NEver heard of him either, baseball pitcher.

Parkbandit

03-25-2022, 11:23 AM

NEver heard of him either, baseball pitcher.

Ah, that explains it.

beldannon5

03-25-2022, 05:03 PM

He is a Dodger and I am a dodger fan, and I think he was a cy young winner or worl]d series mvp or something. Only reason i know

Parkbandit

03-25-2022, 07:35 PM

He is a Dodger and I am a dodger fan, and I think he was a cy young winner or worl]d series mvp or something. Only reason i know

I lost interest when I found out he played baseball.