Name,race,gender and Profession changes are here.

[Vusit]

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Combat,%20Magic,%20and%20Character%20Mechanics/Character%20Creation,%20Stats,%20and%20Skills/view/704

[bluecenterlight]

So... disappointed.

[Xred]

Ok who has been screaming for this?

wtf

[drumpel]

What the literal F?

Damn, Simu. Please, take my money!

Oh wait, you already do. I guess that's my fault there.....

Now all you warriors can change race to a halfling and be all superior over any other warrior race! HAHAHAHA!



Crap, that gives me an evil idea that Simu will now start to nerf a race and folks will scramble to change race. Then they'll nerf another race and slowly build up the previous race.....people are going to be race hopping. Same will happen with professions.....they're already being nerfed, but folks will jump ship to another profession until that one is nerfed, then they'll jump to the next. It's a vicious cycle that only Simu can win!

[Tgo01]

You gotta be kidding me. I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn’t April 1st already.

[Taernath]

Name and gender changes have been asked for. I'd probably rename a couple of my characters.

Race and profession changes.... not something that needs to happen.

[Tgo01]

This is my favorite part:

“ All of these uses are permanent and irreversible except with another polymorph potion.”

Because in the first half of the sentence you’re like “oh okay, these potions can only be used once, it’s not THAT bad I guess.” Then you read the rest of the sentence and you realize “oh of course! They want to sell multiples of these potions for each character.”

[Tgo01]

At the very least the costs of these should be doubled. Someone can change their profession for roughly 180 dollars? That’s a bit silly.

It’s like all of those years people invest in their characters is almost meaningless because you can just change everything now.

[mgoddess]

It’s like all of those years people invest in their characters is almost meaningless because you can just change everything now.

I can certainly see a large reason for changing name, gender, and professions... race, maybe not so much.

RP-wise, being able to change profession is a total and absolutely game-changer. I'm absolutely considering one for my main, since she's already RP'd a similar style.

[Arqueto]

"These potions came at the request of numerous players over the years."

My ass. What an unbelievably blatant cash grab.

[Tarquine]

You gotta be kidding me. I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn’t April 1st already.

I also did this.

[Methais]

"These potions came at the request of numerous players over the years."

My ass. What an unbelievably blatant cash grab.

The only time I heard someone even mention a profession potion was while their class was being massively nerfed and people would spitefully say shit like "You might as well just let us convert into X profession then." or something along those lines.



If profession potions aren't Simu jumping the shark, then I don't know what is. Holy shit what a bunch of cunts these guys are. :rofl:

[time4fun]

I can certainly see a large reason for changing name, gender, and professions... race, maybe not so much.

RP-wise, being able to change profession is a total and absolutely game-changer. I'm absolutely considering one for my main, since she's already RP'd a similar style.

Yeah- I actually see a clear use case here. I know personally the fact that GS is a years-long grind and that most professions don't really come into their own until like level 50 keeps me from really investing in new characters. If I had an old character that was 50+ that I never used, this would give me a reason to dust them off and to finally try out that profession I've always been curious about.

I actually get this. And it's also why I get the race change- as someone may want a race that's a better match for the new profession.

[Tgo01]

I was wrong, THIS is my favorite part:

“With the everchanging game, a choice a player made two decades ago may longer be relevant, but they may not want to create a new character either. Hopefully, these new options will help resolve such issues and offer a better path forward.”

If that were their main concern they would allow people an in game option to obtain these, like 2 million bounty points or 100 million silvers. Something that is expensive but doable eventually for everyone.

But nope! Straight to the SimuStore. And they specifically mention they will never give these away for free.

The least they could do is just say they wanna make more money. Why can’t they just admit that?

[Maerit]

It was discussed in length on discord by numerous people over the past year. I mean here's a quote from Wyrom back in July 2020:


Wyrom, Product Manager — 07/07/2020
Right now, there isn't a way to change professions or races without a full reroll. We have some conversion tools for specific professions due to changes over the years, but that's it.

In response to the inquiry (in the duskruin channel no less) about being able to swap professions. It has been more recently brought up by people pissed about the Bard review and folks who don't like their class changes, who want to move to a more desirable profession. The race and profession issues were pointed out with the bard review because MnM would have nerfed Dark Elves (changing to INF vs AUR for CS stats) and people strongly wanted to go warrior with their 30+mil XP bards that were going to "suck" after the change.

Now that it's a reality, they'll have all the leverage they want to change professions in any way they see fit with the caveat "You don't like it, there's a change prof potion on the simucoin store".

I could use a couple name changes for some poorly named characters that I made in jest, but ended up leveling and enjoying...

[Arqueto]

I was wrong, THIS is my favorite part:

“With the everchanging game, a choice a player made two decades ago may longer be relevant, but they may not want to create a new character either. Hopefully, these new options will help resolve such issues and offer a better path forward.”

If that were their main concern they would allow people an in game option to obtain these, like 2 million bounty points or 100 million silvers. Something that is expensive but doable eventually for everyone.

But nope! Straight to the SimuStore. And they specifically mention they will never give these away for free.

The least they could do is just say they wanna make more money. Why can’t they just admit that?

Exactly this.

[Tgo01]

It was discussed in length on discord by numerous people over the past year. I mean here's a quote from Wyrom back in July 2020:



In response to the inquiry (in the duskruin channel no less) about being able to swap professions. It has been more recently brought up by people pissed about the Bard review and folks who don't like their class changes, who want to move to a more desirable profession. The race and profession issues were pointed out with the bard review because MnM would have nerfed Dark Elves (changing to INF vs AUR for CS stats) and people strongly wanted to go warrior with their 30+mil XP bards that were going to "suck" after the change.

Now that it's a reality, they'll have all the leverage they want to change professions in any way they see fit with the caveat "You don't like it, there's a change prof potion on the simucoin store".

I could use a couple name changes for some poorly named characters that I made in jest, but ended up leveling and enjoying...

So basically people were concerned with their character being nerfed and instead of listening to those concerns and maybe, I don’t know, stop all the nerfs, they offer a pay option for people to change their profession?

[Taernath]

It was discussed in length on discord by numerous people over the past year. I mean here's a quote from Wyrom back in July 2020:



In response to the inquiry (in the duskruin channel no less) about being able to swap professions. It has been more recently brought up by people pissed about the Bard review and folks who don't like their class changes, who want to move to a more desirable profession. The race and profession issues were pointed out with the bard review because MnM would have nerfed Dark Elves (changing to INF vs AUR for CS stats) and people strongly wanted to go warrior with their 30+mil XP bards that were going to "suck" after the change.

Now that it's a reality, they'll have all the leverage they want to change professions in any way they see fit with the caveat "You don't like it, there's a change prof potion on the simucoin store".

I could use a couple name changes for some poorly named characters that I made in jest, but ended up leveling and enjoying...

Were these people also all about paying $200 to change to a 'better' profession, or was that just something Simu slid in there? 'Hey we severely nerfed your class, here's a paid item that lets you be something else' isn't really a solution that respects the consumer.

[Archigeek]

This is idiotic.

[Maerit]

The least they could do is just say they wanna make more money. Why can’t they just admit that?

It also might be cheaper, most of the time, to just buy a character on the PC and slap a name change on the thing. Much better than spending $200 to convert one unless it's super capped. Plus, it could also prove to boost sales of characters with lots of XP - just spend the $200 surcharge to take a 25mil XP ... (insert least desired profession here) and make it into (insert most desired profession here).

[chowell]

This is idiotic.

I agree.

[BLZrizz]

It’s also an easy lnet fix to harvest the previous name data from the profile and then display that alongside the current name like Rextar (aka Donododo). So how much of a change is it really?

[Neveragain]

The race change pricing is waaaaay retarded. New race incoming?

Also, Estilds forum avatar suggests he really is trying to destroy GS.

[SonoftheNorth]

Profession change is too far.

[Parkbandit]

Can we stop calling Gemstone IV a roleplaying game now?

[Astray]

Everyone point and laugh.

[Gizmo]

hahah, this is hilarious...Now to watch character sales of X profession tank, where as now it's gonna be more of an EXP value than anything..

Not that it matters to me, but it'll be interesting to watch from the side.

Also may as well start selling instant level up potions now in the store....

[Neveragain]

Also may as well start selling instant level up potions now in the store....

You know it's coming.

[hamsquatch]

I was wrong, THIS is my favorite part:

“With the everchanging game, a choice a player made two decades ago may longer be relevant

Are we still talking about Gemstone, the text based game that gained popularity on AOL? This is an over the top response to
Superman being bisexual.

Seriously though, I hope they don’t implement any of this dumb shit.

[Gizmo]

You know it's coming.

More than likely.

I'm curious to see now what people will value experience at and various thresholds. Since well, that is all that matters basically now for those willing to spend the coins for a profession change...Which we all know alot of dummies will buy and still bitch about it.

[Tgo01]

hahah, this is hilarious...Now to watch character sales of X profession tank, where as now it's gonna be more of an EXP value than anything..

Yup pretty much. Whatever the highest valued profession is (still wizard to my knowledge), the least valued profession is only at most 200 dollars cheaper because someone can buy the character and change the profession. So yeah the value of characters is almost entirely experience based now.

[Tgo01]

Seriously though, I hope they don’t implement any of this dumb shit.

They are already for sale in the SimuCoin store.

[Tgo01]

This game is becoming more and more the text version of WoW with every change.

If you're known for being the most kick ass sorc who has ever lived it won't matter because a monk with 70 million experience could come along and switch professions and now they are the most powerful sorc in the game.

That's basically what happened in WoW. People were known for being amazing tanks and healers then everyone started race changing and class changing to the race/profession flavor of the month and suddenly everyone just became the same.

[Taernath]

This game is becoming more and more the text version of WoW with every change.

If you're known for being the most kick ass sorc who has ever lived it won't matter because a monk with 70 million experience could come along and switch professions and now they are the most powerful sorc in the game.

That's basically what happened in WoW. People were known for being amazing tanks and healers then everyone started race changing and class changing to the race/profession flavor of the month and suddenly everyone just became the same.

You can't switch classes in WoW.

But you CAN buy Methais, then turn him into a dark elf empath named Dreavenn.

[hamsquatch]

They are already for sale in the SimuCoin store.

Oops, and god damn…

[Tgo01]

You can't switch classes in WoW.

Oh right my bad, people were switching factions so they could play the race with the best racials.

It was just stuff I read about, it happened while I wasn't playing WoW.

I guess it also had to do with level boosts. People were just buying level boosts so they could just make a character of the best class in the game, effectively making it a non-issue to just get a new character. The only thing lacking would be the gear, but that's easy as shit to come by in WoW now too.

[Tgo01]

From Wyrom on Discord:


Just touching on things mentioned. I know the pendulum swings pretty hard on this change. I was a big factor in this happening. This isn't just some Dev change for the sake of anything. And it happening in October honestly has no bearing on Ebon Gate going on. I saw mention that maybe because EG is doing poorly, this happened. EG's growth is sitting at +43.7% from last year, and last year was EG's biggest year to date. Could all change, still more than half a month to go. The reason it came out now was I wanted Dev to be able to move forward with plans for their professional reviews. The reason they are in the store is directly due to Simu having character restorals. To touch on restorals, they are a save state for your character. Your character would need to have rerolled to make use of that, or performed a conversion at some point in the past. You don't get to keep anything with restorals. If you restore a character to what it was 10 years ago, you lose all 10 years of your progression. Just wanting to point those things out since I've seen it mentioned.

So....yeah. Sounds like he basically just confirmed that many people are unhappy about the upcoming profession changes so he wants this as an "option" for people who are upset.

This part especially makes no sense to me: "The reason they are in the store is directly due to Simu having character restorals."

Is he trying to justify why they had to put these in the SimuCoin store instead of allowing people to obtain them via in game means?

Assuming whatever he's saying is true and the SimuCoin store was legit the only option: they didn't have to cost 200 dollars. Make them cost 1 dollar and people can only change race/profession once a year or something.

[Stanley Burrell]

I'm gonna take the longest-lived profession and age set that shnizzit to over 9000; and then make a Dwarf named Ol' Dirty Bastard. Fuck yeah.

Seriously, I don't know how to take this, I would sort of love to have the correct spelling of my d00d from when I rolled him up at the age of 12; but, at the same time, his name has become such a part of me that I don't. Know.

Was someone or people really lobbying for this? I don't check the officials too often.

[drumpel]

I was wrong, THIS is my favorite part:

“With the everchanging game, a choice a player made two decades ago may longer be relevant, but they may not want to create a new character either. Hopefully, these new options will help resolve such issues and offer a better path forward.”

If that were their main concern they would allow people an in game option to obtain these, like 2 million bounty points or 100 million silvers. Something that is expensive but doable eventually for everyone.

But nope! Straight to the SimuStore. And they specifically mention they will never give these away for free.

The least they could do is just say they wanna make more money. Why can’t they just admit that?


They won't give this stuff away.

Some players have billions in silvers and others are extremely efficient at farming silvers, even after a treasure cap has been put in place. Allowing someone in game to simply drop 100mil, 200mil, hell.....even a billion silvers for a potion to change your profession, that person would be able to make mad cash off another person that wants it. Even if Simu locked the potions to account based on the person that bought it in game, a person with billions of silver would still make mad money from some folks selling them silvers. Think about it; a billion silvers at $4/mil = $4,000.

Even bounty points would mean the pots are being handed out for free. 2 million bounty points is nothing for folks that excel at maximizing the system for their needs.

No, Simu wants you to only spend your money with them. That's their pie and they don't want to hand out slices to normal, everyday players.

[Tgo01]

Was someone or people really lobbying for this? I don't check the officials too often.

I've seen people asking for name and gender changes before, I don't think I've ever seen someone seriously push for race or profession changes.

I also agree with you on name changes. Like that's part of what made GS a roleplaying game. You weren't just playing a paladin out of thousands of paladins like in WoW and your name was just so the group leader knew who to invite. Your character's name in GS is your character's identity and now people can just change that on a whim apparently.

Very odd change, but I would say the name and gender change are the least offensive of this change.

[Gelston]

Haha, it says all your former renames in profile though.

[Dendum]

I also did this.

Same

[Vishnell]

Yeah, I'm getting my post on the officials pulled. I'd be shocked if i didn't.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/ff4a05ba759006c894196d4aa80b797a.jpg

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[Dendum]

This is so damn asinine I cancelled my alts...contemplating my main.

[yesicj]

Yeah, I'm getting my post on the officials pulled. I'd be shocked if i didn't.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20211015/ff4a05ba759006c894196d4aa80b797a.jpg

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I think this is an exceptionally brazen cash grab too, but if a magic potion can turn you from a giant into a gnome, I'm pretty sure it can "amnesia" you or whatever into waggling or wielding a weapon. Seems strange to draw a line in the sand between those.




(also, at least for the moment your post is still there, so maybe they're too busy watching discord to patrol the boards...)

[Methais]

You can't switch classes in WoW.

But you CAN buy Methais, then turn him into a dark elf empath named Dreavenn.

https://c.tenor.com/IDzX0bKHRS8AAAAC/mcmahon-ear.gif

[Vishnell]

Yeah, i suppose so. "It's magic" can do anything. It's just blatantly wrong, imo. This mission creep away from any sense of permanence, finality, or consequence has been happening for years and diminishing my enjoyment of the game.

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[Nephelem]

I like it.

[Methais]

They should have done a multiclass potion instead of a class change.

"That's impossible." -Simu, probably

So was reallocation, everything that came out today, etc.

[Tarquine]

This reminds me of that famous quote, Jack-of-all-trades, master of anything per 25,000 Simucoins.

[Tgo01]

They should have done a multiclass potion instead of a class change.

You mean actually expanding upon the game and giving people something to do post-cap which would also accomplish the supposed goal of these potions instead of just charging people 200 bucks to change to a different class? Get outta here!

[Orthin]

new ascension achievement - play all professions through the use of poly potions

[Dendum]

new ascension achievement - play all professions through the use of poly potions

You will see new ascension skills when they figure out how to charge simucoin for them....otherwise Simu has better use of Dev time.

[Archigeek]

Still idiotic. This just further devalues this game. In this game where longevity of character was a hallmark, it just got thrown in the shitter.

[Donquix]

Yeah my world is gonna crumble when the 37th person to own tsin changes him to a sorc. I dunno if i'll ever emotionally recover.

[Tgo01]

In this game where longevity of character was a hallmark, it just got thrown in the shitter.

That’s my biggest issue with the race and profession change. Estild made it sound like a drawback that people have to make choices in this game that have a lasting effect, when I think that’s one of the game’s strengths.

Literally the only thing you can’t buy directly from Simu to boost or change your character is experience. You can’t even really count silver because there are a dozen other currencies that are arguably more valuable that you can buy from Simu.

[Tgo01]

Yeah my world is gonna crumble when the 37th person to own tsin changes him to a sorc. I dunno if i'll ever emotionally recover.

We have heard from the Discord liaison.

[Donquix]

Sorry to interrupt your pity party. Please, continue crying about the exact opposite thing you're crying about in the nerf bards bard.

[Neveragain]

Yeah my world is gonna crumble when the 37th person to own tsin changes him to a sorc. I dunno if i'll ever emotionally recover.

Having Tsin ask me to barrow a blessable falchion during a griffin sword saga invasion is one of my fonder memories. For sure influenced my characters persona.

[Donquix]

Having Tsin ask me to barrow a blessable falchion during a griffin sword saga invasion is one of my fonder memories. For sure influenced my characters persona.

"hey can i get a bless? thanks...also if you're ever looking to get fucked over on a deal for an item in game or an aston martin IRL hit me up."

It was really the foundation of the next 20 years of RP.

[Tgo01]

Sorry to interrupt your pity party. Please, continue crying about the exact opposite thing you're crying about in the nerf bards bard.

It’s not just that you have a differing view, it’s that you always take the GMs side in each and every issue and with such snarkiness. Your “opinion” is that everyone who disagrees with the direction of the game are idiots who only deserve your derision.

If I didn’t know any better I would say you are a GM or own stock in Stillfront.

[Neveragain]

"hey can i get a bless? thanks...also if you're ever looking to get fucked over on a deal for an item in game or an aston martin IRL hit me up."

It was really the foundation of the next 20 years of RP.

What else was Tsin to do when they completely fucked up rogues after war of nations?

The majority of the lore from that is a crock of shit that didn't happen.

[Hymore246]

While I agree with most of the things said here, I think the race change potion opens up a chance for Simu to start adding new races or even balance the existing ones. The current races have not been changed since their move from GS3 to GS4. Fun fact, none of the races introduced in GS4 (Aelotoi, Erithian, Forest Gnome, Half-Krolvin) have any TD bonuses or penalties. (https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Races_and_Cultures#Statistics) Hell, no race in the game changes Mental TD. Furthermore, the none of the new races can get bonus languages from cultures. (https://gswiki.play.net/Language) Maybe these potions will let them make game impacting changes to races/cultures. I know I would love for my Forest Gnome to be able to speak Sylvan via a culture.

The above is a small silvering lining to a giant fucking cloud of unbalanced craziness. The race/profession potions are absolutely a giant cash. No doubt in my mind. Everything in GS4 is super overpriced. I could get so much DLC in FFXIV or ESO or buy so many crystals in Genshin Impact for $200. $200 for profession change is laughably high but people will pay for it because they always do with this game. But, I am looking at this as a cynical person that has become used to Simu's greed over the years. I've also learned that no amount bitching, constructive criticism, or cock sucking is going to get Simu to change. God knows we could have fixed the game by now if any of that worked. Only money matters to them so lets just take this change in stride like we always do when they do stuff like this. Maybe we will get lucky and cool changes will happen a year or two down the line. We can only hope, right?

[Zosimos Alchemista]

I was wrong, THIS is my favorite part:

“With the everchanging game, a choice a player made two decades ago may longer be relevant, but they may not want to create a new character either. Hopefully, these new options will help resolve such issues and offer a better path forward.”

If that were their main concern they would allow people an in game option to obtain these, like 2 million bounty points or 100 million silvers. Something that is expensive but doable eventually for everyone.

But nope! Straight to the SimuStore. And they specifically mention they will never give these away for free.

The least they could do is just say they wanna make more money. Why can’t they just admit that?

Ahahah! This is the result of a whale getting his class nerfed and demanding to be able to change professions. 100% 1000%

[Neveragain]

While I agree with most of the things said here, I think the race change potion opens up a chance for Simu to start adding new races or even balance the existing ones. The current races have not been changed since their move from GS3 to GS4. Fun fact, none of the races introduced in GS4 (Aelotoi, Erithian, Forest Gnome, Half-Krolvin) have any TD bonuses or penalties. (https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Races_and_Cultures#Statistics) Hell, no race in the game changes Mental TD. Furthermore, the none of the new races can get bonus languages from cultures. (https://gswiki.play.net/Language) Maybe these potions will let them make game impacting changes to races/cultures. I know I would love for my Forest Gnome to be able to speak Sylvan via a culture.

The above is a small silvering lining to a giant fucking cloud of unbalanced craziness. The race/profession potions are absolutely a giant cash. No doubt in my mind. Everything in GS4 is super overpriced. I could get so much DLC in FFXIV or ESO or buy so many crystals in Genshin Impact for $200. $200 for profession change is laughably high but people will pay for it because they always do with this game. But, I am looking at this as a cynical person that has become used to Simu's greed over the years. I've also learned that no amount bitching, constructive criticism, or cock sucking is going to get Simu to change. God knows we could have fixed the game by now if any of that worked. Only money matters to them so lets just take this change in stride like we always do when they do stuff like this. Maybe we will get lucky and cool changes will happen a year or two down the line. We can only hope, right?

Having the race change be that high suggests to me that they have a new race in the works.

[gilchristr]

Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post

"You gotta be kidding me. I had to check the calendar to make sure it wasn’t April 1st already."

"I also did this."

I also did this.

[Zosimos Alchemista]

While I agree with most of the things said here, I think the race change potion opens up a chance for Simu to start adding new races or even balance the existing ones. The current races have not been changed since their move from GS3 to GS4. Fun fact, none of the races introduced in GS4 (Aelotoi, Erithian, Forest Gnome, Half-Krolvin) have any TD bonuses or penalties. (https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Races_and_Cultures#Statistics) Hell, no race in the game changes Mental TD. Furthermore, the none of the new races can get bonus languages from cultures. (https://gswiki.play.net/Language) Maybe these potions will let them make game impacting changes to races/cultures. I know I would love for my Forest Gnome to be able to speak Sylvan via a culture.

The above is a small silvering lining to a giant fucking cloud of unbalanced craziness. The race/profession potions are absolutely a giant cash. No doubt in my mind. Everything in GS4 is super overpriced. I could get so much DLC in FFXIV or ESO or buy so many crystals in Genshin Impact for $200. $200 for profession change is laughably high but people will pay for it because they always do with this game. But, I am looking at this as a cynical person that has become used to Simu's greed over the years. I've also learned that no amount bitching, constructive criticism, or cock sucking is going to get Simu to change. God knows we could have fixed the game by now if any of that worked. Only money matters to them so lets just take this change in stride like we always do when they do stuff like this. Maybe we will get lucky and cool changes will happen a year or two down the line. We can only hope, right?

You:
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[Hymore246]

You:
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More or less, yes. I just get tired of bitching about Simu. I wish they would change but they just keep finding new ways to be greedy. No point in being mad any more. All it does it make me bitter.

Also, I fully expect these potions to be available as in-game rewards at some point. Name and Gender could easily be high tier event rewards. I wouldn't expect Race or Profession to be anything less than a god auction item that goes for billions of silvers. Simu might claim it will never happen, but do you remember when they added this to the game (http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Combat,%20Magic,%20and%20Character%20Mechanics/Character%20Creation,%20Stats,%20and%20Skills/view/704) after years of saying they never would?

[Viekn]

Still idiotic. This just further devalues this game. In this game where longevity of character was a hallmark, it just got thrown in the shitter.

I might be naive, but do we think the characters with the most longevity in this game, or at least those with enough longevity to have a meaningful impact on those around them, will likely take advantage of this? It may just be people most of us have never really heard of that use these options. People who are focused more on just the straight mechanics of the game or the monetary return, and don't really focus much on RP anyway, and therefore aren't really known characters in the game or consistent contributors to story lines, etc. Just my two cents.

Also, I think in general we all tend to be a little nostalgic about this game and tend to forget that at the end of the day, this game we all love is still a business for Simu/Stillfront, and shareholder value has always been the top, or near top, priority for any business.

[Archigeek]

I might be naive, but do we think the characters with the most longevity in this game, or at least those with enough longevity to have a meaningful impact on those around them, will likely take advantage of this? It may just be people most of us have never really heard of that use these options. People who are focused more on just the straight mechanics of the game or the monetary return, and don't really focus much on RP anyway, and therefore aren't really known characters in the game or consistent contributors to story lines, etc. Just my two cents.

Also, I think in general we all tend to be a little nostalgic about this game and tend to forget that at the end of the day, this game we all love is still a business for Simu/Stillfront, and shareholder value has always been the top, or near top, priority for any business.

It's a shitty business decision.

[Dendum]

Pay2win by definition is offering something for money that no amount of play time could get you (and no the silver to cash to simucoin to in game item is not an in game mechanic). I kind of turned my eye away from them stopping any GM RP every other month for a cash grab or the fact that DR/RW/RoL were blatant P2W mechanics because at the heart of the game they were still maintaining the semblance of a shared narrative experience. Whatever the fuck this thing is it is not a shared narrative experience it is a anyone can just plop down some money and write whatever they want experience.

Some of the discord crowds likes it because some of the whales think they can whale better and some of the mechanics people think they can really min/max now but honestly without the narrative background we are just playing a asian p2w mobile game with bad graphics at this point. I have plenty of cash but not the desire to throw it into a game that just doesn't seem to know what it wants to be. Now whatever Dev does to your class/race they can always point to the $$ fix, hell Why-rom even said the reason they pushed this out was to start the work back on the class dev.


Wyrom-Just touching on things mentioned. I know the pendulum swings pretty hard on this change. I was a big factor in this happening. This isn't just some Dev change for the sake of anything. And it happening in October honestly has no bearing on Ebon Gate going on. I saw mention that maybe because EG is doing poorly, this happened. EG's growth is sitting at +43.7% from last year, and last year was EG's biggest year to date. Could all change, still more than half a month to go. The reason it came out now was I wanted Dev to be able to move forward with plans for their professional reviews. The reason they are in the store is directly due to Simu having character restorals. To touch on restorals, they are a save state for your character. Your character would need to have rerolled to make use of that, or performed a conversion at some point in the past. You don't get to keep anything with restorals. If you restore a character to what it was 10 years ago, you lose all 10 years of your progression. Just wanting to point those things out since I've seen it mentioned.

I can already hear the engines firing up with the comments "oh they just don't like change" and "you can't change the color of the bathroom without someone complaining" and the other side is saying the people THEY play with will never use such a thing but carving out a corner of game to play it in opposition to the way the game designers want it to be played can be done on any MMO on the market. Some people genuinely want out of a class they had or a bad name, hell keep the namefix no one is really complaining about that keep the namefix and people can just trade classes anyway but by releasing all of this at once they do significantly alter the backbone of this game. Wyrom is stuck justifying everything through the lens of YoY profits because how else does any of this make sense? But hey at least Year over Years are up so we must be doing something right.

They could have designed a system to allow for multi-classing or a system to allow for legacy changes were you started over but kept some skills from you old class...instead they made another simucoin item.

[Viekn]

It's a shitty business decision.

Why? I'm not arguing with you, it might very well be for reasons I can't comprehend or I just don't realize. Compared to what the options cost them to code though, it's probably a fairly high profit margin for these new products. And as long as they don't lose a significant amount of revenue from people rage quitting, it's going to be profitable for them. And given what they likely already know about why people play this game and how many have quit previously, why they've quit, and how many people eventually come back, they probably already have a good idea that they won't lose money on this. Assuming they make out fairly good financially from this decision, no matter how distasteful it might be to some, then that continues to fund this game, that we're all still hooked on after 30 years, for the foreseeable future.

It's definitely a shitty decision in the context of the reasons we love GSIV, i.e. the memories we have of certain characters, what those characters contributed to RP and story lines that make up the GS world around us, and that now those same characters can suddenly be a new race, gender, or profession. But if the people who take advantage of these new options weren't really the people contributing the most to the RP and stories happening around us, then it really doesn't change much. I might be totally wrong in the view that a lot of the people who contribute most to RP type stuff won't take advantage of these new options. And if that's the case, then truly what makes up a lot of the fun of this game will suffer.

*Edit: After reading Dendum's post above and reflecting on some of the other posts, I absolutely agree the way this was rolled out was shitty. There were other (better) ways they could have accomplished what these new Simucoin options now provide. I just think Simu/Wyrom's hands have been tied for a long time now and someone dictates what needs to happen and they basically just have to go along with it. Listen, it's shitty, but are any of us going to switch to another text based MMORPG at this point? Yes, we can decide to play more/put more of our hard earned money into WoW, FFXIV, ESO, etc. etc., but there's a reason we all still keep coming back to GS.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Lol at this

[BLZrizz]

It's definitely a shitty decision in the context of the reasons we love GSIV, i.e. the memories we have of certain characters, what those characters contributed to RP and story lines that make up the GS world around us, and that now those same characters can suddenly be a new race, gender, or profession. But if the people who take advantage of these new options weren't really the people contributing the most to the RP and stories happening around us, then it really doesn't change much. I might be totally wrong in the view that a lot of the people who contribute most to RP type stuff won't take advantage of these new options. And if that's the case, then truly what makes up a lot of the fun of this game will suffer.

Great point here. Many folks, including myself, play Gemstone because of nostalgia and these new potions fly in the face of that and I understand that's why some are freaking out. I don't mind the potions at all, however, as 90's Gemstone has been long dead. The unique character personalities have taken on a different form, and as you said, that form is likely to be unaffected by this change. I'm sensitive to the shared narrative argument, but it's disingenuous to say these potions will kill that when character sales have been happening for so long. These potions will simply save people time and streamline the character market so people can be playing the way they want and not be limited by what characters happen to come up for sale.

[Tgo01]

Wyrom is stuck justifying everything through the lens of YoY profits because how else does any of this make sense? But hey at least Year over Years are up so we must be doing something right.

Which is really odd to me. I can’t think of any other company that tries to sell changes to their customers by basically saying “hey we have more of your money now because of these changes!”

They usually try to sell people on the new features or the fun changes they have made.

[Donquix]

It’s not just that you have a differing view, it’s that you always take the GMs side in each and every issue and with such snarkiness. Your “opinion” is that everyone who disagrees with the direction of the game are idiots who only deserve your derision.

If I didn’t know any better I would say you are a GM or own stock in Stillfront.

Your default behavior to assume every change is some crazy conspiracy so estild can make 20 dollars at DR, and accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being a stillfront corporate espionage operative. Your trash takes are given the respect they deserve.

[Hymore246]

Another thing I noticed is neither the race or profession change comes with a fixstat. That means your Warrior turned Sorcerer is going have completely wrong stats and will need to buy a fixstat potion to even be remotely usable. I wonder why they decided to do this (aside from greed) since this would be major problem for anyone that wants to use the potions. This makes the potions less desirable knowing you have to shell out money for yet another potion. I am guessing the potions are aiming mainly at whales that will not think twice about spending more money.

[Tgo01]

Your default behavior to assume every change is some crazy conspiracy so estild can make 20 dollars at DR

Let me see if I understand your latest brown nosing: you think a change that specifically encourages people to spend more of their money, and in the official announcement on the official forums they LINKED to the items for sale for real life money...and you don't think this is a way for Simu to milk more money out of their dwindling player base?

Come on, my guy, you aren't even trying this time.

You don't have to agree that this change is detrimental to the game, but at the very least you have to recognize this is just another way for Simu to make a quick buck and all of their reasoning to suggest otherwise is absolute horseshit.

[Donquix]

Wyrom is stuck justifying everything through the lens of YoY profits because how else does any of this make sense? But hey at least Year over Years are up so we must be doing something right.

Players were *specifically* accusing them of releasing this now because EG profits were down. He was answering that criticism by saying EG was in fact looking to be the best it has ever been so this had nothing to do with it. Not everyone has the full context of where the impetus for this came from most recently (the discussions / complaints in the bard topic). They might just see freaky new change and wildly jump to conclusions.

[Donquix]

Let me see if I understand your latest brown nosing: you think a change that specifically encourages people to spend more of their money, and in the official announcement on the official forums they LINKED to the items for sale for real life money...and you don't think this is a way for Simu to milk more money out of their dwindling player base?

Come on, my guy, you aren't even trying this time.

You don't have to agree that this change is detrimental to the game, but at the very least you have to recognize this is just another way for Simu to make a quick buck and all of their reasoning to suggest otherwise is absolute horseshit.

People complained about about being locked into decisions they made when they were 13. I dunno what fantasy land you are all living in that says otherwise but this has 1000% been asked for long before any of the recent class revamps started. It became a hot topic with bard and wizard changes looming so they presented a way out as a result of people directly asking for it. Then they *gasp* monetized their product. I know, a business charging money for goods and services. Seems pretty fucked up if you ask me. This also gates it from people doing it all the time to trivialize moving back and forth (which they could also do with cooldowns on using it and the like, which it should probably also have in addition to the monetary cost). Simucoins also makes it so it can be a "free" option if you save the coins long enough. If they priced it similarly in silver for instance (what like 500-800m depending on how you run the conversion) most players would never sniff that. Not everyone likes buying silvers from players so going to the actual game dev feels better there.

My only complaint is their stance that it won't be offered as a free option for the classes that undergo large changes. I think that is a mistake and I think they absolutely should. I would offer it free but only a month or two after the revamp was released so people are incentivized to actually try the changes instead of panic switching (which people are already doing for bards, lol)

But this is the point: you can't look at any of this obviously benign series of events that occurred and lead to this happening now without frothing at the mouth about how it's a blatant cashgrab to milk people dry. It's just a fucking game. They're just fucking dudes making a game, sometimes they need to make money because that's how the game business works. No one is nerfing your class so they can sell more doodads at the next fest or coerce you to polymorph juice your way into being an erithian savant.

[Tgo01]

it's disingenuous to say these potions will kill that when character sales have been happening for so long.

I think what players do is entirely different than what the company does though. The main reason is because when the company does it that means they are endorsing the behavior. Even though Simu doesn't really do much in regards to players making deals via real world currency they don't condone it either and you can get in big trouble if you talk about it in game, on the officials, or on Discord.

I think a lot of people see things as taboo unless the company endorses it. Just look at the number of people on the officials and Discord who complain about others buying or selling silvers yet they will gladly hand over their money to Simu to earn alternative currency, which is effectively the exact same thing.

[Tgo01]

People complained about about being locked into decisions they made when they were 13.

So clearly the only solution was to sell the option via the SimuCoin store for 200 dollars.


I dunno what fantasy land you are all living in that says otherwise but this has 1000% been asked for long before any of the recent class revamps started.

By "asked for" do you mean a concerted push by a sizeable segment of the population, or do you mean one person asked about it once in an obscure part of the official forums 5 years ago?

Also regardless of even if people have been asking for this for a long time now the fact that Wyrom pretty much confirmed it is coming out now because of concerns people have with the upcoming nerfs suggests this is coming out now as a way to possibly retain upset customers while also getting yet even more money out of them, or some whales were upset that their characters were getting nerfed and this change is coming out now specifically for them.

Again you don't have to agree that these changes are bad for the game, but don't try to gaslight everyone when we can all read the same shit you are reading.

[Archigeek]

The only thing that really keeps this game viable is the long term players. They pay every month, 40, 50, 100 bucks, and they've been doing it for years. This change undermines what they've worked for, the character of their being, etc, because now anyone can in 3 steps turn some shitty ass toon into whatever they want it to be, and white wash away the name to a point that most people won't notice. What's the point of being that loyal customer? This is annoying and disruptive of any kind of sense of immersion. It weakens their most valuable commodity for a relatively small amount of dollars. This is why it's a bad business decision: a very small profit at the expense of some portion of their most reliable revenue stream.

[SonoftheNorth]

This is annoying and disruptive of any kind of sense of immersion.

Tsin being owned by a new person every week isn't really any better.

[Amerek]

They should have done a multiclass potion instead of a class change.

"That's impossible." -Simu, probably

So was reallocation, everything that came out today, etc.

Hahaha, after checking to see if it was April 1st, this was the first thing that occurred to me. How many times were we told this would never happen?

[Tgo01]

A year ago the GMs were talking about making all of the races the same with no stat bonuses or advantages/disadvantages. Now Simu has figured out they can cash in by keeping races in the game and charging people so they can change their character's race.

Greed always wins out in the end. I wonder how the GMs who pushed for making the races the same feel about this.

[gilchristr]

I think its really weird when wyrom uses sales data and participation to support his arguments, he has done it several times before.

[SonoftheNorth]

A year ago the GMs were talking about making all of the races the same with no stat bonuses or advantages/disadvantages. Now Simu has figured out they can cash in by keeping races in the game and charging people so they can change their character's race.

Greed always wins out in the end. I wonder how the GMs who pushed for making the races the same feel about this.

Honestly, I prefer this option to races having no stat bonuses or advantages/disadvantages. It also gives some options other than quitting if and when they decide to nerf the class you have been playing for 20 years instead of the usual GM response of "if you don't like it don't let the door hit you in the ass".

[Methais]

You mean actually expanding upon the game and giving people something to do post-cap which would also accomplish the supposed goal of these potions instead of just charging people 200 bucks to change to a different class? Get outta here!

Yes. I know that's an outrageous suggestion for Simu, since their idea of good game design is to have you dig a hole, fill in the hole in with the same dirt you just dug up 1000 times, then they break your shovel in half and make you do it all over again, but this time they give you the option of buying part of your broken shovel back, and then you have to dig that same hole all over again, except now it takes 10x as much effort and isn't worth the bother.

When people get tired of this, Simu tells you to be a plumber instead, and then they pat themselves on the back for being game design geniuses and act like they're victims when people tell them that their blatantly obvious cash grabs are shit.

Don't you see? Simu is the true victim here.

[Neveragain]

Honestly, I prefer this option to races having no stat bonuses or advantages/disadvantages. It also gives some options other than quitting if and when they decide to nerf the class you have been playing for 20 years instead of the usual GM response of "if you don't like it don't let the door hit you in the ass".

Wouldn't it just be better to increase experience absorption numbers so it doesn't take half a decade to cap a character?

That sounds like much less coding and much less money grabby, IMO.

[Methais]

It’s not just that you have a differing view, it’s that you always take the GMs side in each and every issue and with such snarkiness. Your “opinion” is that everyone who disagrees with the direction of the game are idiots who only deserve your derision.

If I didn’t know any better I would say you are a GM or own stock in Stillfront.

THE MARKET DIDN'T REACT WELL TO THIS PROFESSION CHANGE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!111111three

https://i.imgur.com/ehWLTiQ.png

[hamsquatch]

I read somewhere that every time a giant becomes a gnome a slide whistle is born.

[Neveragain]

THE MARKET DIDN'T REACT WELL TO THIS PROFESSION CHANGE NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!111111three

https://i.imgur.com/ehWLTiQ.png


Kixeye shareholders file lawsuit against Stillfront over $30 million earnout

https://www.pocketgamer.biz/news/77361/kixeye-shareholders-file-lawsuit-against-stillfront-30-million-earnout/

[Methais]

Players were *specifically* accusing them of releasing this now because EG profits were down. He was answering that criticism by saying EG was in fact looking to be the best it has ever been so this had nothing to do with it. Not everyone has the full context of where the impetus for this came from most recently (the discussions / complaints in the bard topic). They might just see freaky new change and wildly jump to conclusions.

To be fair though, every event is "The best one we've ever had!" according to Simu, so there's that.

[Winter]

Kixeye’s seller representative Fortis Advisors has filed a lawsuit in Delaware Chancery Court against Stillfront over a disputed earnout payment says VentureBeat.

The claim is that Stillfront intentionally breached its merger agreement concerning a $30 million earnout providing Kixeye reached certain milestones.

Back in June 2019, Stillfront bought Kixeye for $90 million with the earnout based on Kixeye’s projected financial performance for 2019.

Changes, changes

With this original deal, Stillfront did not acquire the whole of Kixeye, with the latter intending to spin off operations relating to the yet unreleased, in-development game, Kingdom Maker.

Early in 2020, Stillfront announced that it had laid off the team behind Kingdom Maker, which eliminated around 20 jobs.

The reason for this comment is unclear however, since the Kingdom Maker team moved over to Global Worldwide and is continuing development of the game.

Fortis Advisors has accused Stillfront Group of creative accounting to made Kixeye’s results look worse to evade this earnout payment.

The earnout was be based on a non-GAAP measure of financial performance which Stillfront purportedly readjusted retroactively, or else purposely manipulated its pre-merger expenses, making it all but impossible for Kixeye to hit the earnout target.

Stillfront Group also allegedly cut spending on Kixeye’s games significantly after the merger.


Well..... I don't know what to say. That company owns 51% of simu and they are going to want their pound of flesh.

[Taernath]

I know personally the fact that GS is a years-long grind and that most professions don't really come into their own until like level 50 keeps me from really investing in new characters.

I think if people repeat this on discord enough times you'll see a level boosting item on the cash shop very quickly.

It'll be framed as giving players the freedom to choose how to play.

The usual suspects will say a BUSINESS has a RIGHT to SELL whatever they WANT

Wyrom will start talking about quarterly profits being up unprompted

[Archigeek]

Tsin being owned by a new person every week isn't really any better.

Tsin being owned by someone else was a relief to 90% of the population.

[Parkbandit]

The only thing that really keeps this game viable is the long term players. They pay every month, 40, 50, 100 bucks, and they've been doing it for years. This change undermines what they've worked for, the character of their being, etc, because now anyone can in 3 steps turn some shitty ass toon into whatever they want it to be, and white wash away the name to a point that most people won't notice. What's the point of being that loyal customer? This is annoying and disruptive of any kind of sense of immersion. It weakens their most valuable commodity for a relatively small amount of dollars. This is why it's a bad business decision: a very small profit at the expense of some portion of their most reliable revenue stream.

It's only at the expense of some portion of the player base if those players suddenly stop paying.

If there is one constant in the past 30 years that Simutronics realizes is: They won't stop paying.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah my world is gonna crumble when the 37th person to own tsin changes him to a sorc. I dunno if i'll ever emotionally recover.

Do you ever get tired of being Simutronics personal glory hole?

[stormcrow]

As someone who still play's the same character that I rolled up in 1995; I was a little upset about the changes to profession switch. I can see changing a name and a race .. since so many people have come and gone. I hate seeing an old friend only to realize it's not them anymore. I'd rather just have someone change that name and move on. Profession is dangerous to the balance of the game if you start seeing nothing but capped wizards or whatever the flavor of the month is running around. However, I know this is a business and someone spent money to buy Simu and they need this asset to make money. I sold my company in 2019 and the company that bought it went up on prices to fund the sale. So I get it. Honestly with all the robo scripters running around and lack of RP who cares anymore. I almost never talk with anybody but very old friends anyhow. I mean trying to hunt in Nelemar with 30 robo scripters is harder than hunting the critters. So .. at this point I just don't care anymore.

[Orthin]

The only thing that really keeps this game viable is the long term players. They pay every month, 40, 50, 100 bucks, and they've been doing it for years. This change undermines what they've worked for, the character of their being, etc, because now anyone can in 3 steps turn some shitty ass toon into whatever they want it to be, and white wash away the name to a point that most people won't notice. What's the point of being that loyal customer? This is annoying and disruptive of any kind of sense of immersion. It weakens their most valuable commodity for a relatively small amount of dollars. This is why it's a bad business decision: a very small profit at the expense of some portion of their most reliable revenue stream.

Character sales and scripting can be equally as disruptive (Nelemar) to immersion as this. If someone wants to throw the sheckles to change their name and change their profession I have no problem with it, much like I have no issue with character sales and scripting (so long as you don't kill me with your script). There are plenty of people and ways to stay immersed in this game but I think plenty of things already exist that shatter the vale and this being added while to some is annoying, to me is no different than those other lots.

Some people buy nice cars, some people buy goats and some people buy profession potions. Who am I to stop their hussle if thats their ish.

[Alashir]

As a chronic re-roller, this sounds pretty nice.

[hamsquatch]

As a chronic re-roller, this sounds pretty nice.

A little funny Rendena gets banned or deleted or whatever and then all these potions come out.

[Vindicate]

If I ever see,

Also here: Kerl the mage.


I think i'd quit a moment later.

[lexbubba]

Still idiotic. This just further devalues this game. In this game where longevity of character was a hallmark, it just got thrown in the shitter.

100% agree with this

[Gelston]

To be fair, almost every modern day MMO has these options. For a lot less money.

[BLZrizz]

100% agree with this

Disagree. The folks most likely to use the potions are folks that: 1) would have just left the game or 2) are mostly mechanically oriented and you were not noticing or interacting with them anyway, or 3) would have just bought a capped character and did what theyt will do now. None of them were impacting your experience before and they won't now.

I understand GS players are a conservative lot and by definition are less tolerant of change though.

[Avaia]

To be fair, almost every modern day MMO has these options. For a lot less money.

On the other hand one of the reasons I for one still play this ancient game is because it is not like most every other MMO out there.

[Neveragain]

I understand GS players are a conservative lot and by definition are less tolerant of change though.

So SIMU's staff are a liberal lot that force their beliefs down their conservative customers throats instead of listening to their customers?

https://i.redd.it/36yf2ep5r4c61.gif

[Methais]

Disagree. The folks most likely to use the potions are folks that: 1) would have just left the game or 2) are mostly mechanically oriented and you were not noticing or interacting with them anyway, or 3) would have just bought a capped character and did what theyt will do now. None of them were impacting your experience before and they won't now.

I understand GS players are a conservative lot and by definition are less tolerant of change though.

I think it's more about Simu's dumpster fire track record regarding "change" that people are less tolerant of, rather than the concept of change itself.

[BLZrizz]

I think it's more about Simu's dumpster fire track record regarding "change" that people are less tolerant of, rather than the concept of change itself.

That's fair. I can agree with that.

[loxe]

Now I need a potion to allow my character to move from prime to platinum

[Tgo01]

Now I need a potion to allow my character to move from prime to platinum

Holy shit, I never even thought about that before but I'm sure that's coming someday too.

[Methais]

Holy shit, I never even thought about that before but I'm sure that's coming someday too.

By this time next year it will be a thing.

I'm basing this solely on Simu probably saying at some point in time that something like that would "never happen."

[Tgo01]

By this time next year it will be a thing.

I'm basing this solely on Simu probably saying at some point in time that something like that would "never happen."

Well Plat has been out for over two decades now. Why should someone be punished for a decision they made two decades ago? Clearly the only option is to offer them a solution for the mere price of 200 USD dollars.

[Zosimos Alchemista]

Well Plat has been out for over two decades now. Why should someone be punished for a decision they made two decades ago? Clearly the only option is to offer them a solution for the mere price of 200 USD dollars.

As has been used to justify this change, other MMOs already offer this same service. It's called realm transfer! :bouncy:

[Tgo01]

As has been used to justify this change, other MMOs already offer this same service. It's called realm transfer! :bouncy:

Make it so, Simu!

Also allow me to transfer my 200 million experience wizard from Shattered to Prime. Because you know, I made that decision over a decade ago now.

[blanks]

Make it so, Simu!

Also allow me to transfer my 200 million experience wizard from Shattered to Prime. Because you know, I made that decision over a decade ago now.

Character transfers but not gear transfers...


That is sold separately.

[Tgo01]

Character transfers but not gear transfers...


That is sold separately.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SonoftheNorth]

Has anyone with high exp profession swapped yet?

[Archigeek]

Now I need a potion to allow my character to move from prime to platinum

I'm surprised this didn't happen a long time ago, but in reverse.

[Taernath]

I'm surprised this didn't happen a long time ago, but in reverse.

Do a lot of people want to leave platinum for prime? I always thought it was a ride or die death cult.

[Parkbandit]

Well Plat has been out for over two decades now. Why should someone be punished for a decision they made two decades ago? Clearly the only option is to offer them a solution for the mere price of 200 USD dollars.

You know how many people in plat that will upset?

Not going to lie: I would laugh.

[Nephelem]

The absolutely nuclear meltdown of allowing prime rabble into plat would be truly fantastic to behold.

[Rjex]

Disagree. The folks most likely to use the potions are folks that: 1) would have just left the game or 2) are mostly mechanically oriented and you were not noticing or interacting with them anyway, or 3) would have just bought a capped character and did what theyt will do now. None of them were impacting your experience before and they won't now.

I understand GS players are a conservative lot and by definition are less tolerant of change though.

This. I just changed from an elf into a dwarf and I'm very sorry if anyone's RP world has been shattered for it. I'll go live in Zul in penance now so nobody has to look at me.

[Zosimos Alchemista]

This. I just changed from an elf into a dwarf and I'm very sorry if anyone's RP world has been shattered for it. I'll go live in Zul in penance now so nobody has to look at me.

This man has been in the closet as identifying as a dwarf for years now. Never able to tell anyone about it, until now. You're so brave Ryjex. So brave.

[Rjex]

This man has been in the closet as identifying as a dwarf for years now. Never able to tell anyone about it, until now. You're so brave Ryjex. So brave.

Thanks this means a lot to me I hope my children can become billionaires now.

[gilchristr]

crazy that we have gender change potions in gemstone, thought it would never happen

[adred]

Haha pay an extra fee to fix your stats after

[stormcrow]

crazy that we have gender change potions in gemstone, thought it would never happen

I’m surprised Simu stopped at just two genders.

[rolfard]

I’m surprised Simu stopped at just two genders.

There is a character, maybe from eg last year, that had they/them pronouns. Some creatures have It instead of He/Him She/Her

[Dendum]

I’m surprised Simu stopped at just two genders.

NOT surprised they charge real money for it.
"Hey we support your life changes you are going through and want to reflect that in game.......give us your cash though"

[Parkbandit]

I’m surprised Simu stopped at just two genders.

HAHAHA, this.

[ElevenElven]

What about those poor unfortunate characters that identify as a kobold? WHEN WILL THEIR TIME COME?

Honestly, it would be cool if they added additional races to these potions (eventually). Finally you can be the troll/half-troll/kobold/shan/etc you've always wanted to be! I mean it's literally just a difference in stat bonuses and RP right? That would definitely breathe some life into the RP community when suddenly there are troll bards walking around and singing in town.

[Fortybox]

Ahahah! This is the result of a whale getting his class nerfed and demanding to be able to change professions. 100% 1000%

That whale is Ryjex.

[Fortybox]

I’m surprised Simu stopped at just two genders.

Vishra’s on staff now. It’s coming.

[ElevenElven]

Vishra’s on staff now. It’s coming.

That's a joke right?

[Tgo01]

Overall looks like this change was accepted rather fast. I'm actually surprised there weren't more complaints about this on the official forums. I guess the player base is just becoming more accepting of Simu trying to cash in whenever possible. Maybe experience potions will be in the SimuCoin store sooner than we all thought.

[bluecenterlight]

Overall looks like this change was accepted rather fast. I'm actually surprised there weren't more complaints about this on the official forums. I guess the player base is just becoming more accepting of Simu trying to cash in whenever possible. Maybe experience potions will be in the SimuCoin store sooner than we all thought.

Not surprised at all. Actions speak louder than words, and over and over again the actions say, if you aren't a whale, your opinion doesn't matter.

[Methais]

Overall looks like this change was accepted rather fast. I'm actually surprised there weren't more complaints about this on the official forums. I guess the player base is just becoming more accepting of Simu trying to cash in whenever possible. Maybe experience potions will be in the SimuCoin store sooner than we all thought.

Or people realize that arguing with Simu is a colossal waste of time and energy because they're going to do what they want anyway.

[Gelston]

Not really a point in arguing about the change. It isn't like they were asking for opinions. They just popped out and said "This is done".

[ElevenElven]

Picture of Simu releasing 4 new potions:

9813

[Tgo01]

Or people realize that arguing with Simu is a colossal waste of time and energy because they're going to do what they want anyway.

True dat.

[Fortybox]

That's a joke right?

Unfortunately, no.

[Tgo01]

Unfortunately, no.

Wait really? Vishra is a GM now?

[Rjex]

There's no way this is real.

[Orthin]

don't GM's not post on here if they are (or at least I feel like I have read that) and Vishra has been posting lately

[Neveragain]

Vishra’s on staff now. It’s coming.

God, I hope this is true.

[Gizmo]

don't GM's not post on here if they are (or at least I feel like I have read that) and Vishra has been posting lately

Just as much as GMs don't use Lich/LNET...

[Methais]

God, I hope this is true.

I don't think Vishra has the self control to not out herself on here if she were a GM.

Unless she actually is Andraste and learned her lesson from her old Caramia account. :lol:

[Gelston]

Just as much as GMs don't use Lich/LNET...

GMs are allowed to use LNet and Lich on their non-GM account. They are not allowed to post here.

[Parkbandit]

GMs are allowed to use LNet and Lich on their non-GM account. They are not allowed to post here.

So, Vishra isn't a GM again.

I'm sure the playing community breaths a sigh of relief.

[Fortybox]

GMs are allowed to use LNet and Lich on their non-GM account. They are not allowed to post here.

Who said she’s a GM?

[Methais]

Who said she’s a GM?

VISHRA HAS A PHD IN STILLFRONT!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[Gelston]

Who said she’s a GM?

You said she is on staff so.... You.

[time4fun]

I don't think Vishra has the self control to not out herself on here if she were a GM.

Unless she actually is Andraste and learned her lesson from her old Caramia account. :lol:

Even after all of these years, it's still so surreal watching you all make things up in jest and then repeat them so often that you actually start believing them.

It's like watching a bunch of oddly aged and overweight middle school kids gossiping on the school yard after running around the playground throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

[Methais]

Even after all of these years, it's still so surreal watching you all make things up in jest and then repeat them so often that you actually start believing them.

It's like watching a bunch of oddly aged and overweight middle school kids gossiping on the school yard after running around the playground throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

Let's recap:


Fortybox: VISHRA IS A GM

Me: I doubt it because <reasons>

time4fun: OMG U THINK I'M A GM



Even after all these years, it's surreal watching you still completely fail to even have the capability to process any sort of humor or sarcasm at all, literally 100% of the time.

That said, there is no need to project your ultra obesity on everyone else.


https://i.imgflip.com/5r6lbr.jpg

[time4fun]

Right except for the part where you were speculating about me being Andraste. Which you've done many times before.

It wasn't a lengthy post of yours I quoted. I'm not sure how you missed one of two sentences.

[Neveragain]

Even after all of these years, it's still so surreal watching you all make things up in jest and then repeat them so often that you actually start believing them.

It's like watching a bunch of oddly aged and overweight middle school kids gossiping on the school yard after running around the playground throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

So they turned down your application, again?

https://c.tenor.com/P9-1x4KHozAAAAAC/antm-tyra-banks.gif

[Tgo01]

time4fun is always such a victim.

Oh no! The meanies on the PC are saying she’s a GM!

Meanwhile for years you were telling everyone on the LNet channel that I’m a white supremacist and I haven’t even been tuned to the LNet channel in 6+ years.

[Gelston]

Right except for the part where you were speculating about me being Andraste. Which you've done many times before.

It wasn't a lengthy post of yours I quoted. I'm not sure how you missed one of two sentences.

No, you are a clone of Andraste.

[Methais]

Right except for the part where you were speculating about me being Andraste. Which you've done many times before.

It wasn't a lengthy post of yours I quoted. I'm not sure how you missed one of two sentences.

That was covered in the part where I mentioned your inability to recognize sarcasm or realize that you're being trolled, despite the 94837904208794 similarities you and Andraste actually do share, which includes you both being insufferable self-righteous cunts who are also pathological liars.

If you had a personality more interesting than a 2x4, you would have picked up on that a long time ago.


https://i.imgur.com/thu5qiz.png

[time4fun]

That was covered in the part where I mentioned your inability to recognize sarcasm or realize that you're being trolled, despite the 94837904208794 similarities you and Andraste actually do share, which includes you both being insufferable self-righteous cunts who are also pathological liars.

If you had a personality more interesting than a 2x4, you would have picked up on that a long time ago.


https://i.imgur.com/thu5qiz.png

Right. Except that you all talked about it a lot while I was on hiatus- and therefore wasn't around to be trolled. In fact you all seemed to talk a lot about me at various points when I hadn't been in game for months. PB still goes in regularly to give me negative feedback on threads and posts that are months- or even years- old even when I've been gone for a long time. He helps me get caught up and provides a good laugh in the process.

So your Let's-Bring-Back-The-90s "you don't know sarcasm/trolling" internet forum defense is both tired and transparent sweetie.

But keep raging. Seems to bring you a lot of joy, and I'd hate to take that from you.

[time4fun]

No, you are a clone of Andraste.

My very own Orphan Black moment!

[Tgo01]

time4fun is always such a victim.

Oh no! The meanies on the PC are saying she’s a GM!

Meanwhile for years you were telling everyone on the LNet channel that I’m a white supremacist and I haven’t even been tuned to the LNet channel in 6+ years.

You missed a post, time4fun.

[Parkbandit]

It's like watching a bunch of oddly aged and overweight middle school kids gossiping on the school yard after running around the playground throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

Jesus...

http://badbooksgoodtimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/self-awareness-gif.gif

[Parkbandit]

Right except for the part where you were speculating about me being Andraste. Which you've done many times before.

It wasn't a lengthy post of yours I quoted. I'm not sure how you missed one of two sentences.

Remember that time you pretended not to even know who Andraste is?

Good times, Andraste.

Not that I blame you. If I were you, I would pretend not to know who I was either.

[Parkbandit]

Right. Except that you all talked about it a lot while I was on hiatus- and therefore wasn't around to be trolled. In fact you all seemed to talk a lot about me at various points when I hadn't been in game for months.

I haven't been in the game in years... but you still spoke about me in Inet.


PB still goes in regularly to give me negative feedback on threads and posts that are months- or even years- old even when I've been gone for a long time. He helps me get caught up and provides a good laugh in the process.

I just want you to come back full time here.. and reclaim the belt.


So your Let's-Bring-Back-The-90s "you don't know sarcasm/trolling" internet forum defense is both tired and transparent sweetie.

But keep raging. Seems to bring you a lot of joy, and I'd hate to take that from you.

LOL... there's the "sweetie"....

[Neveragain]

time4fun is always such a victim.

Oh no! The meanies on the PC are saying she’s a GM!

Meanwhile for years you were telling everyone on the LNet channel that I’m a white supremacist and I haven’t even been tuned to the LNet channel in 6+ years.

In Time4fun world, you're a white supremacist if you don't believe men can breastfeed.

[Fortybox]

Let's recap:


Fortybox: VISHRA IS A GM

Me: I doubt it because <reasons>

time4fun: OMG U THINK I'M A GM



Even after all these years, it's surreal watching you still completely fail to even have the capability to process any sort of humor or sarcasm at all, literally 100% of the time.

That said, there is no need to project your ultra obesity on everyone else.


https://i.imgflip.com/5r6lbr.jpg

I didn’t say she was a GM!!!!11one

[Fortybox]

Even after all of these years, it's still so surreal watching you all make things up in jest and then repeat them so often that you actually start believing them.

It's like watching a bunch of oddly aged and overweight middle school kids gossiping on the school yard after running around the playground throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

Quoting this the next instance time4fun decides to denigrate someone on the boards for saying something offensive.

Apparently fat shaming is ok now.

[Fortybox]

So they turned down your application, again?

https://c.tenor.com/P9-1x4KHozAAAAAC/antm-tyra-banks.gif

For GM…

[Gelston]

For GM…

If you are saying she is a mentor, that isn't staff. Hosts... Ehhh.. Not really.

[Fortybox]

If you are saying she is a mentor, that isn't staff. Hosts... Ehhh.. Not really.

Semantics

[SonoftheNorth]

throwing their backpacks at people for fun.

Sorry someone hit you with a backpack

[Gelston]

Sorry someone hit you with a backpack

I've never heard of anyone throwing backpacks at people. We usually just threw rocks.

[Gizmo]

GMs are allowed to use LNet and Lich on their non-GM account. They are not allowed to post here.

Sarcasm my friend!

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on that

[hamsquatch]

Sorry someone hit you with a backpack

Only squares use backpacks for books. Mine was full of drugs and condoms and little pieces of paper with girl’s phone numbers and an ESP cd Walkman and rocks for hitting squares.

[Neveragain]

Semantics

I used to ring mentors and start telling some random story that made no sense.

[Fortybox]

I used to ring mentors and start telling some random story that made no sense.

They probably thought it was normal considering 99% percent of the GS population is mentally ill.

[Sean]

It's been a minute but is this how all threads end now?

[Vishnell]

It's been a minute but is this how all threads end now?Can't end yet. No one has invoked McGuyver yet.

Sent from my LG-G710 using Tapatalk

[Methais]

Right. Except that you all talked about it a lot while I was on hiatus- and therefore wasn't around to be trolled. In fact you all seemed to talk a lot about me at various points when I hadn't been in game for months. PB still goes in regularly to give me negative feedback on threads and posts that are months- or even years- old even when I've been gone for a long time. He helps me get caught up and provides a good laugh in the process.

So your Let's-Bring-Back-The-90s "you don't know sarcasm/trolling" internet forum defense is both tired and transparent sweetie.

But keep raging. Seems to bring you a lot of joy, and I'd hate to take that from you.

Yes, that's how running jokes work. Not that you'd know anything about that since you live with a pole rammed up your ass 24/7. Also, nobody ever even notices when you're on "hiatus" until you start posting and are like "Hey guys I was on hiatus!" Stop flattering yourself.

That said though, what's it like to suck so much that you transcend sucking?

I like how megatards like you always conflate making fun of you and laughing at you with rage as a coping mechanism too.

Though I wouldn't actually rule out you being Andraste, just because you're both massive self righteous cunts, both unhinged far lefties from San Francisco, both pathological liars, both are notorious for pretending to be something they aren't on here, etc., and a host of other similarities that are all based in extreme fail.

There is no need to project, Andraste.

[Methais]

I used to ring mentors and start telling some random story that made no sense.

>ring bell

Mentor just arrived.

Mentors asks, "Hello. How can I help you?"

You say, "Yes hello. I have a question."

Mentor asks, "What is your question? Teehee!"

You ask Mentor, "Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

[Methais]

It's been a minute but is this how all threads end now?

Yes.

[Gelston]

>ring bell

Mentor just arrived.

Mentors asks, "Hello. How can I help you?"

You say, "Yes hello. I have a question."

Mentor asks, "What is your question? Teehee!"

You ask Mentor, "Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

I'd call you a n00b and get you a weapon from the donation pile and leave.

[hamsquatch]

>ring bell

Mentor just arrived.

Mentors asks, "Hello. How can I help you?"

You say, "Yes hello. I have a question."

Mentor asks, "What is your question? Teehee!"

You ask Mentor, "Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

>sign of wracking
>sign of wracking
>sign of wracking
>sign of wracking
>exit

[entropy]

You ask Mentor, "Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

https://i.imgur.com/2m1YQMz.gif

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/2m1YQMz.gif

:lol:

[Neveragain]

>ring bell

Mentor just arrived.

Mentors asks, "Hello. How can I help you?"

You say, "Yes hello. I have a question."

Mentor asks, "What is your question? Teehee!"

You ask Mentor, "Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise?"

You have to add in an accent that makes it barely understandable.

[Fortybox]

Yes, that's how running jokes work. Not that you'd know anything about that since you live with a pole rammed up your ass 24/7. Also, nobody ever even notices when you're on "hiatus" until you start posting and are like "Hey guys I was on hiatus!" Stop flattering yourself.

That said though, what's it like to suck so much that you transcend sucking?

I like how megatards like you always conflate making fun of you and laughing at you with rage as a coping mechanism too.

Though I wouldn't actually rule out you being Andraste, just because you're both massive self righteous cunts, both unhinged far lefties from San Francisco, both pathological liars, both are notorious for pretending to be something they aren't on here, etc., and a host of other similarities that are all based in extreme fail.

There is no need to project, Andraste.

This happens every event. She is always on hiatus and "just flew back in from London."

Probability of being Andraste is also very high.