Bard Review

[Rjex]

Blows. That's all.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. Can't deal with the atmosphere on discord/officials.

[neimanz1]

Blows. That's all.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. Can't deal with the atmosphere on discord/officials.

trash

[Orthin]

is there a google docs link?

[Rjex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1i0wcL8-_14v7Tzd15BPmlW0aomfSkfotoa0tXtNgk4Q/edit

[Rjex]

The summary is they nerf tonis, nerf 1030, delete song of noise, change song renewals to 60 sec from 8+min, and in exchange give us minor spells and small QOL improvements in other areas.

[Dayko]

All I know is if they actually do nerf bards I'm getting rid of my bard. That's ridiculous

[Methais]

Did anyone who doesn't suck on GM asshole 24/7 on Discord expect anything else from this "review?"

Can't wait to see how bad they destroy wizards and sorcerers when they get around to nerfing them.

[Taernath]

Every renewal period has a chance to produce ambient messaging to the room about the Bard singing a medley.
There will be several flavors the Bard can choose from which are available in the new RENEW verb.


https://i.imgur.com/oIFniKZ.gif

Simu's cr*sade for screen scroll continues.

As for the rest, I don't know. My bard is only level 45 so I don't use a lot of the higher level spellsongs on the regular. A lot of the other changes I'm not super enthused about but I guess I'm open to them. I've always thought bards should be mental rather than elemental, but it's a hard pill to swallow considering the usefulness of the 400 circle.

[Gelston]

Song of Power (1018) - Remove the explosion aspect, simply make it not stack with other Bards singing it or with Mana Focus (418) or being on a node. Make it a focus spell to be mutually exclusive with 1213, 1216, 1230. This list of 4 focus spells for Bards are a good spread of various effects: increase physical combat efficiency, defense, utility, mana regen.

Worst. change. ever.

Fuck GS.

Removing thirst from Traveller's Song and just making it add more RT is also another great fucking way to make Bard spells less unique.

[Neveragain]

Rogues be like:

https://c.tenor.com/oogtfsQRHkgAAAAM/lost-john-travolta.gif

[Methais]

Song of Power (1018) - Remove the explosion aspect, simply make it not stack with other Bards singing it or with Mana Focus (418) or being on a node. Make it a focus spell to be mutually exclusive with 1213, 1216, 1230. This list of 4 focus spells for Bards are a good spread of various effects: increase physical combat efficiency, defense, utility, mana regen.

Worst. change. ever.

Fuck GS.

Removing thirst from Traveller's Song and just making it add more RT is also another great fucking way to make Bard spells less unique.

I'll take current 1030/1035 without QoL upgrades to a couple utility spells.

[Gelston]

I'll take current 1030/1035 without QoL upgrades to a couple utility spells.

I used to renew 1018 over and over just for the explosive fun when another bard was in the room singing it. How the fuck am I supposed to find my joy now? Huh? You tell me that, Methais.

[Methais]

I used to renew 1018 over and over just for the explosive fun when another bard was in the room singing it. How the fuck am I supposed to find my joy now? Huh? You tell me that, Methais.

https://c.tenor.com/u1V_-f-jXmcAAAAC/malreynolds-firefly.gif

[Rjex]

Can't wait to see how bad they destroy wizards and sorcerers when they get around to nerfing them.

Ahahahah, just now in discord:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgy4hgchiuuao6n/sorc.PNG?dl=1

[Gelston]

Ahahahah, just now in discord:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rgy4hgchiuuao6n/sorc.PNG?dl=1

Let me walk around with a swarm of skelly bois and I don't care if it is a pet class.

[Rjex]

Sorc was my fall back option after the bard nerf. I guess I should just buy a boat and take up other hobbies. This was wasting too much time anyway.

[Alashir]

Let me walk around with a swarm of skelly bois and I don't care if it is a pet class.

That would be pretty cool

[Drevihyin]

Damned LNET crew acting like there's some good coming out of this review!

[Methais]

Damned LNET crew acting like there's some good coming out of this review!

Well most of them are idiots so...

[C.Difficile]

Didn't help that some dumbass literally 1030'd everyone into oblivion at the Festival of the Fallen. Did we really need that exclamation point to NERF?

[Avaia]

Removing thirst from Traveller's Song and just making it add more RT is also another great fucking way to make Bard spells less unique.

Don't you know? Unique is so two decades ago. Gemstone V is all about ease of systems. Ain't nobody got any time or need for time-consuming "unique."

[dzulthu]

The luck service is nice, and I like not having to think about RENEW blowing up nerves (although the 60sec ambient messaging thing will be annoying...hope they don't do it).

I wish they had just fixed the low end roll crit issue with 1030; quintupling the mana cost was over the top.

[Methais]

The luck service is nice, and I like not having to think about RENEW blowing up nerves (although the 60sec ambient messaging thing will be annoying...hope they don't do it).

I wish they had just fixed the low end roll crit issue with 1030; quintupling the mana cost was over the top.

I'm sure the DR after the bard nerf will have something to address that for only $8000.

[Orthin]

1206 will pack a punch…but they took 400s away so that bolt AS boost will probably make it unfun or useless even at 2x

[mgoddess]

change song renewals to 60 sec from 8+min

Technically, they're *REMOVING* song renewals... the 60sec thing is checking to see if the bard is incapacitated enough (aka, stunned/dead/etc) to not be able to sing any more. Just like the Focus spells that are in the 1200's do.

[Rjex]

1030 just got nerfed again

[Archigeek]

Song of Power (1018) - Remove the explosion aspect, simply make it not stack with other Bards singing it or with Mana Focus (418) or being on a node. Make it a focus spell to be mutually exclusive with 1213, 1216, 1230. This list of 4 focus spells for Bards are a good spread of various effects: increase physical combat efficiency, defense, utility, mana regen.

Worst. change. ever.

Fuck GS.

Removing thirst from Traveller's Song and just making it add more RT is also another great fucking way to make Bard spells less unique.

It does seem like the current regime wants nearly everything to be the same. They got read of throat stress for warriors ⁶and made it take stamina instead. A bit of flavor loss.

[Methais]

1030 just got nerfed again

wut

[Rjex]

wut

Before it got moved to 1050, kept its damage output, but had a higher casting cost during the recovery period. Now they're making it a damage neutered AoE.

[Vindicate]

It does seem like the current regime wants nearly everything to be the same. They got read of throat stress for warriors ⁶and made it take stamina instead. A bit of flavor loss.

Definitely a strategy afoot. Neutralize everyone to commonality to encourage payment for flavor.

[Tgo01]

So they nerfing 1030 and 1035 to shit, the two most class defining abilities for bards, and giving them some minor quality of life improvements and a new service that may not even have much demand as seen by warrior’s grit?

Is this new service in addition to the one they already have? Like do they use two different resources? Or do they share the same resource so bards now have to choose which service to use their points on?

[Stanley Burrell]

Ugh, my Bard ambushes from hiding. Yes, that's a thing.

I'm not really liking the 1m renewal change :-\

[Roblar]

So they nerfing 1030 and 1035 to shit, the two most class defining abilities for bards, and giving them some minor quality of life improvements and a new service that may not even have much demand as seen by warrior’s grit?

Is this new service in addition to the one they already have? Like do they use two different resources? Or do they share the same resource so bards now have to choose which service to use their points on?


Current loresong unlock loses resource requirement

[mgoddess]

I'm not really liking the 1m renewal change :-\

Again, it's not nerfing the renewal change... it's actually *removing* it. Songs that you usually always wear will be like Focus spells... always there. It'll reserve a chunk of your mana, and the only way it'll fall is if you're incapacited (stunned/dead/etc.) when the every-60-seconds check comes around, or if you manually STOP the song.

The way they worded it stinks, but it (might be) actually *BETTER* than the current renew system.

[Stanley Burrell]

Again, it's not nerfing the renewal change... it's actually *removing* it. Songs that you usually always wear will be like Focus spells... always there. It'll reserve a chunk of your mana, and the only way it'll fall is if you're incapacited (stunned/dead/etc.) for longer than 60 seconds, or if you manually STOP the song.

The way they worded it stinks, but it's actually *BETTER* than the current renew system.

Thank you! :hug:

[Donquix]

Again, it's not nerfing the renewal change... it's actually *removing* it. Songs that you usually always wear will be like Focus spells... always there. It'll reserve a chunk of your mana, and the only way it'll fall is if you're incapacited (stunned/dead/etc.) for longer than 60 seconds, or if you manually STOP the song.

The way they worded it stinks, but it's actually *BETTER* than the current renew system.

I don't think that's accurate. As realistically you are never stunned for a minute. There is an interval check every 60 seconds. Which is a lot more often than now, but you have a % chance equal to your disc bonus + telep lore ranks to not drop spells on the renewal check if incapacitated. The way the lore splits work at cap most bards would be 70-100% to not drop spells if stunned during the renewal (20ish disc and it looks like most will be at least 50 telep if not more)

[Tgo01]

Current loresong unlock loses resource requirement

So bards can permanently unlock lore songs for free? That would be nifty.

[mgoddess]

Again, it's not nerfing the renewal change... it's actually *removing* it. Songs that you usually always wear will be like Focus spells... always there. It'll reserve a chunk of your mana, and the only way it'll fall is if you're incapacited (stunned/dead/etc.) for longer than 60 seconds, or if you manually STOP the song.

The way they worded it stinks, but it's actually *BETTER* than the current renew system.I don't think that's accurate. As realistically you are never stunned for a minute. There is an interval check every 60 seconds. Which is a lot more often than now, but you have a % chance equal to your disc bonus + telep lore ranks to not drop spells on the renewal check if incapacitated. The way the lore splits work at cap most bards would be 70-100% to not drop spells if stunned during the renewal (20ish disc and it looks like most will be at least 50 telep if not more)

You're correct, it's a check every sixty seconds, not for 60+sec of incapacitation like my wording suggested. My apologies.

*insert whole non-Bard viewpoint on what really is a Bard situation that a non-Bard-player can't exactly understand completely* :shrug:

[Rjex]

I just think it's hilarious how people who haven't even played bards beyond level 42 get to decide to screw over bards because reasons...


https://www.dropbox.com/s/dthbtcymrknd586/Naijin.PNG?dl=1

[Tgo01]

The spell now grants 15 phantom dodge ranks at base, increased by 1 per 2 ranks of Mental Lore - Telepathy to a maximum bonus of 50 total phantom dodge ranks at 70 ranks of lore (10 higher max than before).

I especially love that (10 higher max than before).

Oh wow! You are completely nerfing Song of Tonis but hey, 10 more dodge ranks!

At least they scaled back the nerfing of Song of Sonic Disruption a little bit, but it still sucks. Like why couldn't bards just have a really nice solo/AOE spell? Was it really hurting anything?

[Orthin]

Ranger lore review - hey we are going to make you markedly better and add more versatility!

Bard lore review - hey...fuck you

[Tgo01]

Bard lore review - hey...fuck you

It's dumb. I don't see any changes that make it even remotely worth the nerfing of 1030 and 1035.

[Tgo01]

Also I'm confused about the changes to spell hindrance. Does this mean Bard songs will have the same hindrance penalties as every other circle does, that is loss of mana and still being put into cast RT?

Because if so this is by far the biggest nerf and it is complete bullshit.

[gilchristr]

They should stop doing patronizing balancing design work that is the apple of the designer's eye, and start doing design that gives the players what they want. Crazy that this needs to be pointed out...

[Tgo01]

At least they scaled back the nerfing of Song of Sonic Disruption a little bit, but it still sucks.

Well never mind that, I misunderstood the new announced changes. They are nerfing the damage and reducing the initial proposed mana cost but it STILL costs more mana than it currently does. So now it's just a complete nerf.

Why does 1030 have to basically just be a mirror copy of 635?

It's like someone said earlier; they are basically making all the classes the same.

Bards have a really nice group haste spell and a really nice AOE? Well can't have that! Gotta nerf both and make the AOE spell act as other AOE spells!

Bard spell songs are unique when it comes to spell hindrance? Can't have that either! Gotta make bard spell songs the same as all other spells!

[drumpel]

Only real change I wanted was 1008 to have better damage output. Right now it's a pretty shitty spell in terms of damage. Train the crap out of air lore for a paltry return in damage....

Now they dumped the spell to SMR. I don't really enjoy SMR that much. I've had countless casts of 917 rip things apart and I've had countless casts give me all negative rolls for all 6 damage cycles.....moving 1008 to a single damage cycle based on SMR sounds crummy. SMR is heavily level based. This means using the spell to uphunt is pretty much worthless.

Them also wanting to move 1005 to SSR - seriously? Another level based roll system? Fuck. That'll mean once you hit that greater than 5 levels over you, you're pretty much screwed using it.

I like the idea of 1007 boosting 1025 weapon AS.
I like the idea of reducing 1014 armor spell hindrance.

Everything else just seems....meh.

Bards need more ways to have a pure path, so adding a 917 like spell sounds useful....but just what I need, bard-type creature classes out there casting more 917-like spells at my characters.

[Tgo01]

I like the idea of reducing 1014 armor spell hindrance.

Yeah but didn't they massively screw over bard spell songs by making the hindrance the same as other spell circles? At least that's how I read it.

It's like they nerfed the heck out of spell songs and then are like "But look! We buffed some armor hindrances and made Sonic Armor have less hindrance now too!"

That's great...I would still much prefer the current version.

[kutter]

Ok, so in reading the proposal it seems that they are pushing for a pure bard earlier. Why? Bards a SEMIS not pures. If you want to play a pure then PLAY A PURE. Don't make one of the most fun classes in the game into just another caster. And I say this as a person with several casters. Bards are bards not wizards or sorcs. If you wanted to go pure as a bard, you had to earn it, now it will just be given to you and tank bards that swing in the process. Just my .02.

[beldar17]

Blows. That's all.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. Can't deal with the atmosphere on discord/officials.

lol. this is funny . Reminds me of when Paladin review was coming out. Im all like yesssss, finally. Then afterwards you are like.......wtf just happened. How did I get worse......???

[Fortybox]

Blows. That's all.

Just wanted to get that off my chest. Can't deal with the atmosphere on discord/officials.

Sorry you won't be able to farm arena anymore.

Praying for u

[Fortybox]

Did anyone who doesn't suck on GM asshole 24/7 on Discord expect anything else from this "review?"

Can't wait to see how bad they destroy wizards and sorcerers when they get around to nerfing them.

The fart sniffer squad is actually crying over this because their OP toys are being taken away.

[Rjex]

The fart sniffer squad is actually crying over this because their OP toys are being taken away.

Actual footage of the bard nerf as recorded by Dalabrac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdynGqxdBk8

[Methais]

Ok, so in reading the proposal it seems that they are pushing for a pure bard earlier. Why? Bards a SEMIS not pures. If you want to play a pure then PLAY A PURE. Don't make one of the most fun classes in the game into just another caster. And I say this as a person with several casters. Bards are bards not wizards or sorcs. If you wanted to go pure as a bard, you had to earn it, now it will just be given to you and tank bards that swing in the process. Just my .02.

All pures will be equally shitty by the time Estild and Naijin are done wrecking everything. The only difference will be in the messaging/flavor.

Don't worry though guys, Naijin played a bard to level 42 and then quit, so I'm sure he knows what he's doing...

[Methais]

The fart sniffer squad is actually crying over this because their OP toys are being taken away.

https://c.tenor.com/M5QmujL5_YQAAAAC/good-evil.gif


They won't learn anything from this though. They'll continue to suck on their assholes and ask when X is going to be reviewed, then the cycle will repeat until everyone but warriors are trash and Naijin will finally be able to take a dump again.

[nocturnix]

The summary is they nerf tonis, nerf 1030, delete song of noise, change song renewals to 60 sec from 8+min, and in exchange give us minor spells and small QOL improvements in other areas.

Yep, i got attacked by players and GMs for even thinking about questioning the nerfs. Nice atmosphere.

Tried to explain this is my main character whom ive been playing for probably a decade now, his RP is that of a sonic sorcerer, i have no interest in combat instruments as it is outside of my RP. The current bard works great, but I'm told 1030 is completely broken and needs to be nerfed (i know it is powerful, but it does not translate into bards being the most powerful class as we lack in other areas). I dont think the balance is as completely out of whack as they say it is, but thats just my opinion and having that opinion is completely taboo. So what if 1030 creates a strong crit on low endrolls. I still die more than almost all of my other characters due to having a lower DS and completely unarmored head. why was it not nerfed 20 years ago then if its such a huge deal? I dont get it.

[Gelston]

Yep, i got attacked by players and GMs for even thinking about questioning the nerfs. Nice atmosphere.

Tried to explain this is my main character whom ive been playing for probably a decade now, his RP is that of a sonic sorcerer, i have no interest in combat instruments as it is outside of my RP. The current bard works great, but I'm told 1030 is completely broken and needs to be nerfed (i know it is powerful, but it does not translate into bards being the most powerful class as we lack in other areas). I dont think the balance is as completely out of whack as they say it is, but thats just my opinion and having that opinion is completely taboo. So what if 1030 creates a strong crit on low endrolls. I still die more than almost all of my other characters due to having a lower DS and completely unarmored head. why was it not nerfed 20 years ago then if its such a huge deal? I dont get it.

I think bards were rarely, if ever, touched is because it was never a very popular class to play.

[Methais]

Actual footage of the bard nerf as recorded by Dalabrac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdynGqxdBk8

Why are they being racist against musical instruments? Are those Satan now too?

[Rjex]

Why are they being racist against musical instruments? Are those Satan now too?

Too OP vs islam.

[dzulthu]

Also I'm confused about the changes to spell hindrance. Does this mean Bard songs will have the same hindrance penalties as every other circle does, that is loss of mana and still being put into cast RT?

Because if so this is by far the biggest nerf and it is complete bullshit.

lol yeah. "20+ year old bug is still a bug" was approximately the response I got when I asked about it

[Neveragain]

Trying to understand why mental circle when music is obviously spirit based. They didn't call James Brown "The Godfather of Soul" for his PhD.

https://memberdata.s3.amazonaws.com/hi/hitsdd/photos/hitsdd_photo_gal__photo_1293040493.gif

[drumpel]

Yep, i got attacked by players and GMs for even thinking about questioning the nerfs. Nice atmosphere.

Tried to explain this is my main character whom ive been playing for probably a decade now, his RP is that of a sonic sorcerer, i have no interest in combat instruments as it is outside of my RP. The current bard works great, but I'm told 1030 is completely broken and needs to be nerfed (i know it is powerful, but it does not translate into bards being the most powerful class as we lack in other areas). I dont think the balance is as completely out of whack as they say it is, but thats just my opinion and having that opinion is completely taboo. So what if 1030 creates a strong crit on low endrolls. I still die more than almost all of my other characters due to having a lower DS and completely unarmored head. why was it not nerfed 20 years ago then if its such a huge deal? I dont get it.

It's being adjusted just like how they stealth nerfed the bonus roll for health loss/wounds for 917. At least they're giving you a heads up about it. But there are a handful of nerfs coming through for bards, according to this preview.

Even though 917 has been out for years, the reply was that the "bonus" was not calculating right and every time it didn't it would scream at GMs about it being wrong. So they finally fixed it....
https://c.tenor.com/zntzvBp7O98AAAAM/nobullshit-will-smith.gif

I refuse to believe that it was a known issue for years since SMR was pushed out and it was just left there.

Anyway, it seems it's just easier to not give a true answer and nerf stuff because they want to.

[Methais]

lol yeah. "20+ year old bug is still a bug" was approximately the response I got when I asked about it

Blaming things on a bug is their go to for pretty much every extra stupid nerf.

Like after the ELR when 415's double cast worked vs. single targets, it was acknowledged by dev, including the GM who made the change, and nobody said it wasn't working how it should or anything indicating it was any sort of bug, then a while later after most wizards switched from Immolate to a 415 build, they nerfed the double cast vs. single targets and were like "Oh yeah that was a bug. My bad." after everyone was like wtffffffffffffffffff

TLDR: Simu lies a lot.

[Amerek]

Up next: Reviews for 506 and 515 will have the minimum RT adjusted upward to 2 seconds to be in-line with 1035. 1 second is just too OP.

[BLZrizz]

Up next: Reviews for 506 and 515 will have the minimum RT adjusted upward to 2 seconds to be in-line with 1035. 1 second is just too OP.

By their stated reasoning, being able to 2x spell Aim means combat actions (ie spells) will be minimum 2 seconds.

[Methais]

It's being adjusted just like how they stealth nerfed the bonus roll for health loss/wounds for 917. At least they're giving you a heads up about it. But there are a handful of nerfs coming through for bards, according to this preview.

Even though 917 has been out for years, the reply was that the "bonus" was not calculating right and every time it didn't it would scream at GMs about it being wrong. So they finally fixed it....
https://c.tenor.com/zntzvBp7O98AAAAM/nobullshit-will-smith.gif

I refuse to believe that it was a known issue for years since SMR was pushed out and it was just left there.

Anyway, it seems it's just easier to not give a true answer and nerf stuff because they want to.

Seems like just the fact that it was screaming at GMs like that would have probably gotten it fixed 98047324723089x quicker just because it would be too annoying to not fix. You know, assuming they're not lying about it.

[entropy]

By their stated reasoning, being able to 2x spell Aim means combat actions (ie spells) will be minimum 2 seconds.

https://i.imgur.com/BZ90UHL.jpg

[Fortybox]

Actual footage of the bard nerf as recorded by Dalabrac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdynGqxdBk8

...wut

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/BZ90UHL.jpg

Estild:

https://c.tenor.com/daUjxIZeOXgAAAAd/shooter-mcgavin-no.gif

[Dendum]

All pures will be equally shitty by the time Estild and Naijin are done wrecking everything. The only difference will be in the messaging/flavor.

Don't worry though guys, Naijin played a bard to level 42 and then quit, so I'm sure he knows what he's doing...

Well he played a small race till cap and we get nerfed in every update he does so count your blessings he stopped at 42.

[SonoftheNorth]

Up next: Reviews for 506 and 515 will have the minimum RT adjusted upward to 2 seconds to be in-line with 1035. 1 second is just too OP.

They have pretty much confirmed this will be the case

[Tgo01]

They have pretty much confirmed this will be the case

That's just beyond dumb if they go there.

[Merzbow]

They have pretty much confirmed this will be the case

Source?

[SonoftheNorth]

Source?


Naijin 6:45 PM You can safely assume that nothing we implement from this point forward will have consistent 1s attacks.

[Merzbow]

Naijin 6:45 PM You can safely assume that nothing we implement from this point forward will have consistent 1s attacks.

I don't read "we're gonna nerf 515 to 2s" into that statement at all. Wouldn't that equally apply to 506 as well? There goes $200k of 506 SKs unless they legacy those.

[SonoftheNorth]

I don't read "we're gonna nerf 515 to 2s" into that statement at all. Wouldn't that equally apply to 506 as well? There goes $200k of 506 SKs unless they legacy those.

SKs would probably get moved into the whale circle during wizard review yeah.

[Rjex]

Wonder if that one SK 1035 is gonna get special treatment. If so I guess we could always just spend $20k to buy back how we were again. Maybe that's the whole idea behind these "reviews", nerf the profs and sell them back to us.

[Dendum]

I have been buying back my 6% resistance to cmans in the form of a shield cloak so...sure why not.
My favorite part about all this is how he managed to make ALL small races lesser bards with one change, it is genius.

[dzulthu]

lol 20 mana. going to miss this

skillfully begins to weave another verse into his harmony.
CS: +362 - TD: +302 + CvA: +25 + d100: +94 == +179
Warding failed!
A dhu goleras reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 80 points of damage!
The dhu goleras's neck explodes launching his head into the air.
The dhu goleras opens his mouth wide and lets out a choked, shrill scream and his eyes cloud over to a solid milky white as he collapses and dies.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +58 == +145
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 63 damage!
... 50 points of damage!
The moulis's shoulder joint explodes, severing shield arm.
A glittering moulis shivers and grasps at its torn and mangled appendages as a small scraping of its fibers drops to the floor.
The moulis is stunned!

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +92 == +179
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 75 points of damage!
The moulis's head vibrates violently, before melting away in a rush of heat.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +83 == +170
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 78 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Spine ripped from the moulis's body and thrown to the ground.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +51 == +138
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 58 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Heart explodes rupturing the moulis's chest.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

[Tgo01]

lol 20 mana. going to miss this

skillfully begins to weave another verse into his harmony.
CS: +362 - TD: +302 + CvA: +25 + d100: +94 == +179
Warding failed!
A dhu goleras reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 80 points of damage!
The dhu goleras's neck explodes launching his head into the air.
The dhu goleras opens his mouth wide and lets out a choked, shrill scream and his eyes cloud over to a solid milky white as he collapses and dies.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +58 == +145
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 63 damage!
... 50 points of damage!
The moulis's shoulder joint explodes, severing shield arm.
A glittering moulis shivers and grasps at its torn and mangled appendages as a small scraping of its fibers drops to the floor.
The moulis is stunned!

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +92 == +179
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 75 points of damage!
The moulis's head vibrates violently, before melting away in a rush of heat.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +83 == +170
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 78 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Spine ripped from the moulis's body and thrown to the ground.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +51 == +138
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 58 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Heart explodes rupturing the moulis's chest.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

No having fun! Henceforth Song of Sonic Disruption shall be known as Song of Nature's Fury!

[gilchristr]

Well you can get 1 second rates for trivial stamina by using quickstrike after you have a 2 second rate, right?

[Maerit]

The ability to upgrade your sonic equips is nice?

[Rjex]

Don't know any bards who actually use sonics. I'm sure there are some.

[Methais]

Well he played a small race till cap and we get nerfed in every update he does so count your blessings he stopped at 42.

He probably took a super capped bard out for a test run with GM god mode enabled and was like "omg bards are so OP they don't even die!"

[Gelston]

Don't know any bards who actually use sonics. I'm sure there are some.

I knew a lot that used sonic weapons. Did with my capped one especially.

[Methais]

They have pretty much confirmed this will be the case

Coming soon after that to DR: A $10000 item that offsets this.

[Methais]

Maybe that's the whole idea behind these "reviews", nerf the profs and sell them back to us.

I've been saying this for years. Estild and his crew of cunts have been slowly boiling the GS frog since they realized that DR was a money printer.

[Methais]

Wonder if that one SK 1035 is gonna get special treatment. If so I guess we could always just spend $20k to buy back how we were again. Maybe that's the whole idea behind these "reviews", nerf the profs and sell them back to us.

Either Estild or Naijin at some point somewhat recently in Discord said something to the extent of, "When you buy HESS items there's no guarantee they won't get fucked over later," but in Simu speak, so there's that..

[Methais]

lol 20 mana. going to miss this

skillfully begins to weave another verse into his harmony.
CS: +362 - TD: +302 + CvA: +25 + d100: +94 == +179
Warding failed!
A dhu goleras reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 80 points of damage!
The dhu goleras's neck explodes launching his head into the air.
The dhu goleras opens his mouth wide and lets out a choked, shrill scream and his eyes cloud over to a solid milky white as he collapses and dies.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +58 == +145
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 63 damage!
... 50 points of damage!
The moulis's shoulder joint explodes, severing shield arm.
A glittering moulis shivers and grasps at its torn and mangled appendages as a small scraping of its fibers drops to the floor.
The moulis is stunned!

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +92 == +179
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 83 damage!
... 75 points of damage!
The moulis's head vibrates violently, before melting away in a rush of heat.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +83 == +170
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 78 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Spine ripped from the moulis's body and thrown to the ground.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

CS: +362 - TD: +300 + CvA: +25 + d100: +51 == +138
Warding failed!
A glittering moulis reels under the force of the sonic vibrations!
Sound waves disrupt for 58 damage!
... 70 points of damage!
Heart explodes rupturing the moulis's chest.
The moulis flails wildly for a moment before collapsing, its appendages dropping lifelessly to the ground.

How dare you have fun and find that enjoyable in a game you pay for that takes forever to do anything in.

Reported.

[drumpel]

I don't read "we're gonna nerf 515 to 2s" into that statement at all. Wouldn't that equally apply to 506 as well? There goes $200k of 506 SKs unless they legacy those.

I'd hate to see 506 changed, yet again. I hate the fact they even split the Haste spell into two spells....it was a cluster fuck and still is. If they were to nerf 506 to having a 2 second RT instead of 1, that would be a huge hit to my warmage. He already lacks other skills (shield skills, armor skills, cmans and so on) that other classes can utilize to help setup creatures. Right now it's pretty much 909/410/912 to try and keep creatures controlled so he can swing as fast as he can because his AS tends to lack behind other classes, so he needs all the extra speed he can get.

I'd straight up walk away from the game if they made this change. Here's hoping it doesn't come down to that, I like having the game to play when there are lulls at work, but if they're sapping all the enjoyment I have out of the game, I see no reason to play just to be playing. I can find other things to occupy my time and mind during those lulls.

[SonoftheNorth]

I'd hate to see 506 changed, yet again. I hate the fact they even split the Haste spell into two spells....it was a cluster fuck and still is. If they were to nerf 506 to having a 2 second RT instead of 1, that would be a huge hit to my warmage. He already lacks other skills (shield skills, armor skills, cmans and so on) that other classes can utilize to help setup creatures. Right now it's pretty much 909/410/912 to try and keep creatures controlled so he can swing as fast as he can because his AS tends to lack behind other classes, so he needs all the extra speed he can get.

I'd straight up walk away from the game if they made this change. Here's hoping it doesn't come down to that, I like having the game to play when there are lulls at work, but if they're sapping all the enjoyment I have out of the game, I see no reason to play just to be playing. I can find other things to occupy my time and mind during those lulls.


They don't care tho they want classes to play how they envision them now.

[BLZrizz]

I'd hate to see 506 changed, yet again. I hate the fact they even split the Haste spell into two spells....it was a cluster fuck and still is. If they were to nerf 506 to having a 2 second RT instead of 1, that would be a huge hit to my warmage. He already lacks other skills (shield skills, armor skills, cmans and so on) that other classes can utilize to help setup creatures. Right now it's pretty much 909/410/912 to try and keep creatures controlled so he can swing as fast as he can because his AS tends to lack behind other classes, so he needs all the extra speed he can get.

I'd straight up walk away from the game if they made this change. Here's hoping it doesn't come down to that, I like having the game to play when there are lulls at work, but if they're sapping all the enjoyment I have out of the game, I see no reason to play just to be playing. I can find other things to occupy my time and mind during those lulls.

I think 506 melee swingers were fine because they can only 1x weapons. The guideline was specifically 2x in a combat skill = 2 second minimum combat action time.

Also, permitting SK holders to retain old spells would be plain wrong. If a player played a bard for 10 years under the old 1030, he paid $4800 in subscription fees invested in that character. Doesn't the same principle apply?

[BLZrizz]

Coming soon after that to DR: A $10000 item that offsets this.

I hate to think so cynically but it was quite evident with x/days.

1. For 20 years heavily restrict x/days
2. Get everyone fat and happy on them at Spellbound (DR)
3. Once everyone is loaded up, tune up dispel effects throughout the entire game (cloak of shadows, creatures now pre-prepped with dispel, spell sever proposal, etc.)
4. Sell protection from the tuned up dispel effects.

I love DR, but it was the Pandora's Box we all feared. Now that the devs are addicted to revenue, all of it will be focused on revenue generating "carrot and stick" tracks like this one.

[Methais]

I think 506 melee swingers were fine because they can only 1x weapons. The guideline was specifically 2x in a combat skill = 2 second minimum combat action time.

Also, permitting SK holders to retain old spells would be plain wrong. If a player played a bard for 10 years under the old 1030, he paid $4800 in subscription fees invested in that character. Doesn't the same principle apply?

No because Estild doesn't get a cut of the subscription costs like he gets a cut of his HESS items.


I hate to think so cynically but it was quite evident with x/days.

1. For 20 years heavily restrict x/days
2. Get everyone fat and happy on them at Spellbound (DR)
3. Once everyone is loaded up, tune up dispel effects throughout the entire game (cloak of shadows, creatures now pre-prepped with dispel, spell sever proposal, etc.)
4. Sell protection from the tuned up dispel effects.

I love DR, but it was the Pandora's Box we all feared. Now that the devs are addicted to revenue, all of it will be focused on revenue generating "carrot and stick" tracks like this one.

Remember when Estild released 1206 which is a bolt spell, gave it to monks, said "This makes sense to put it in this circle because if Savants existed they could use this spell." despite Savants being cancelled, and then maybe a month later some SK 1206 items showed up at Duskruin?

That's how dev operates now. They're going to nerf just about everybody over probably the next year or 2, then "sell" it back to you at DR, and the cycle will repeat until people get fed up and just stop participating.

[chrenraf]

No because Estild doesn't get a cut of the subscription costs like he gets a cut of his HESS items.



"Remember when Estild released 1206 which is a bolt spell, gave it to monks, said "This makes sense to put it in this circle because if Savants existed they could use this spell." despite Savants being cancelled, and then maybe a month later some SK 1206 items showed up at Duskruin?

That's how dev operates now. They're going to nerf just about everybody over probably the next year or 2, then "sell" it back to you at DR, and the cycle will repeat until people get fed up and just stop participating."


-Unfortunately, this is a legit business model for "end-of-cycle" games. I think it may be a bit pre-mature, but I see a whole lot less activity as a game now than 10 years ago. Return players coming back keep going down over time as people leave forever, get old, or die. This game will not get an influx of new blood, it is essentially a non-renewable resource. As people die off or whales die/leave, this game will dwindle and because of it, shut down one day. Is that 5 years from now or 20 years from now? Don't know, but it is bound to happen.

[Methais]

"


-Unfortunately, this is a legit business model for "end-of-cycle" games. I think it may be a bit pre-mature, but I see a whole lot less activity as a game now than 10 years ago. Return players coming back keep going down over time as people leave forever, get old, or die. This game will not get an influx of new blood, it is essentially a non-renewable resource. As people die off or whales die/leave, this game will dwindle and because of it, shut down one day. Is that 5 years from now or 20 years from now? Don't know, but it is bound to happen.

And that's whatever. It's just mindblowing how Simu tries to legit pretend that people haven't already figured this out years ago. Though I suppose most of the player base is pretty stupid, so there's that.

I guess that's what happens when 90% of the people on Discord suck on GM asshole 24/7 telling them how great their shitty ideas are, hoping to get some GM attention in front of other people.

Best part is the bard review is such trash, at least so far, that even some of the regular Discord sycophants are telling them it sucks. Not that it will matter either way, because Estild's is gonna Estild no matter what.

I don't even think the bard survey is legit. I think that's just all for show too, regardless of how the actual votes go. It could be 500 votes for MnE and 13 votes for MnM, and they'd still be like "The survey results are overwhelmingly in favor of shifting bards to MnM, thanks for participating guys!"

[BLZrizz]

"


-Unfortunately, this is a legit business model for "end-of-cycle" games. I think it may be a bit pre-mature, but I see a whole lot less activity as a game now than 10 years ago. Return players coming back keep going down over time as people leave forever, get old, or die. This game will not get an influx of new blood, it is essentially a non-renewable resource. As people die off or whales die/leave, this game will dwindle and because of it, shut down one day. Is that 5 years from now or 20 years from now? Don't know, but it is bound to happen.

Some older data but the average revenue per user (ARPU) of the top mass market multiplayer online game (World of Tanks?) in 2014 was like $4.50. Blizzards ARPU (2020) is $62 a year.

Extrapolated from Stillfront annual reports, the ARPU for gemstone players (assuming, conservatively, 2500 active players and that GS4 generates 50% of simu revenue) is an astounding $1400 per user per year on top of being like 30 years old. None of the gaming lifecycle analyses really apply.

Bottom line: GS4 was like a nice mom and pop restaurant bought out by venture capitalists, and now they are going milk it for every dime they can before they turn out the lights.

[Ashliana]

And that's whatever. It's just mindblowing how Simu tries to legit pretend that people haven't already figured this out years ago. Though I suppose most of the player base is pretty stupid, so there's that.

I guess that's what happens when 90% of the people on Discord suck on GM asshole 24/7 telling them how great their shitty ideas are, hoping to get some GM attention in front of other people.

Best part is the bard review is such trash, at least so far, that even some of the regular Discord sycophants are telling them it sucks. Not that it will matter either way, because Estild's is gonna Estild no matter what.

I don't even think the bard survey is legit. I think that's just all for show too, regardless of how the actual votes go. It could be 500 votes for MnE and 13 votes for MnM, and they'd still be like "The survey results are overwhelmingly in favor of shifting bards to MnM, thanks for participating guys!"

The best part of the Bard review is how hysterically upset about it you are, Methais. That's okay, you're always hysterically upset. Because you're retarded.

:rofl:

[Methais]

The best part of the Bard review is how hysterically upset about it you are, Methais. That's okay, you're always hysterically upset. Because you're retarded.

rofl

My bard is a purify bot who just tags stuff for free exp when I'm running around on my wizard, so overall this will affect me very little. That doesn't change anything about how Simu has been operating since Stillfront took over and how dumb the actual changes they're making are.

I know you're super starved for attention and are extra mad today because you're not getting the attention you've been desperately begging for in your special retard thread, but try to control your mental illness at least a little bit.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3otPora2GgtfqRX7Xy/giphy.gif

This is all the attention you're going to get from me outside of your special retard thread for today, which you're already super upset over. I'll drag you back into your cage when I require more entertainment. :lol:

Unwashed welfare loser. :rofl:

https://i.imgur.com/P6CotNp.png

[Gelston]

And another thread getting tarded up by Ashliana leaking over into it.

[Ashliana]

My bard is a purify bot who just tags stuff for free exp when I'm running around on my wizard, so overall this will affect me very little. That doesn't change anything about how Simu has been operating since Stillfront took over and how dumb the actual changes they're making are.

I know you're super starved for attention and are extra mad today because you're not getting the attention you've been desperately begging for in your special retard thread, but try to control your mental illness at least a little bit.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3otPora2GgtfqRX7Xy/giphy.gif

This is all the attention you're going to get from me outside of your special retard thread for today, which you're already super upset over. I'll drag you back into your cage when I require more entertainment. :lol:

Unwashed welfare loser.

https://i.imgur.com/P6CotNp.png

You're super mad about the changes, just like you were super mad about the changes to Wizards -- and they're going to get hit again, and you're still going to be super upset about it.

You've been forced to resort to a fantasy -- as always -- of how the GMs operate, because you're too mentally unbalanced to be able to give them feedback in a way that doesn't come off as hilariously entitled, poorly reasoned, and divorced from reality.

I'd tell you to please stay maximum upset for hilarity's sake, but that goes without saying.

https://i.gifer.com/3OBrJ.gif

[Methais]

And another thread getting tarded up by Ashliana leaking over into it.

He can't help it. He's too mentally ill to do anything besides shit his pants constantly everywhere he goes.

[Ashliana]

And another thread getting tarded up by Ashliana leaking over into it.

There's a reason why Methais isn't just engaging with the GMs constructively about whatever valid concerns he (supposedly) has. And you aren't, either.

Pro-tip: There was an easy way not to "tard up this thread," and you and he both picked the opposite route.


He can't help it. He's too mentally ill to do anything besides shit his pants constantly everywhere he goes.

Actual footage of Methais trying to explain why his only recourse about his unhappiness with the Bard review was to hysterically cry about it on the PC rather than engage the GMs:

https://media.giphy.com/media/5R2XVoMUnUmhxX5dWI/giphy-downsized-large.gif?cid=790b7611b1346bd20b07c971761bbba2c956 833b04dee1f0&rid=giphy-downsized-large.gif&ct=g

https://media.giphy.com/media/1AgDOgXEBkhBOr9cTD/giphy.gif?cid=ecf05e47indiwdt1utsadjcnas84xnh0lt5k j94wn7fho9v5&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[bluecenterlight]

I hate reviews simply for the fact that history hasn't always been kind when they happen. If you sift through the rigamarole, the fact remains that some of what is being said is true.

It definitely is not helped by Discord in some cases. I love it's ability to near insta communicate, but devs aren't always well versed in PR, and sorting through so much info makes following some discussions not worth the time.

FWIW, I think everyone would be alot less anxious if we at least knew the real direction of the profession META change happening. E.g. My first char in the late 90s was a Sorc. Based on the review docs I'm glad I dropped that char long long ago, as it doesn't align with the playstyle I want.

That may be moot though if the profession meta is changing to homogenize all the classes. Bolt, cs, smr...just let everyone do everything because that's fun. (Tongue in cheek)

[Methais]

I hate reviews simply for the fact that history hasn't always been kind when they happen. If you sift through the rigamarole, the fact remains that some of what is being said is true.

It definitely is not helped by Discord in some cases. I love it's ability to near insta communicate, but devs aren't always well versed in PR, and sorting through so much info makes following some discussions not worth the time.

FWIW, I think everyone would be alot less anxious if we at least knew the real direction of the profession META change happening. E.g. My first char in the late 90s was a Sorc. Based on the review docs I'm glad I dropped that char long long ago, as it doesn't align with the playstyle I want.

That may be moot though if the profession meta is changing to homogenize all the classes. Bolt, cs, smr...just let everyone do everything because that's fun.

The dumbest thing about Discord is if you're not following it 24/7, you might miss Estild answering some random question at 3am which is then considered an official announcement, since Simu doesn't like using changelogs.

"Estild, why is X acting so fucking weird?"

Estild: "We made an adjustment to ABC. It was announced in Discord 3 weeks ago."


The Discord announcement 3 weeks prior:

>Hey Estild, why is X acting so fucking weird?
Estild at 3:38am: We made an adjustment to ABC.

[Rinualdo]

The #starboard should help with that, to some degree.

[Dendum]

That may be moot though if the profession meta is changing to homogenize all the classes. Bolt, cs, smr...just let everyone do everything because that's fun.


All hyperbole aside I do think they are trying to provide more similarities than differences...except for squares of course...They keep comparing cross spell list spells.

[bluecenterlight]

All hyperbole aside I do think they are trying to provide more similarities than differences...except for squares of course...They keep comparing cross spell list spells.

Is it because they want to switch differentiation to Ascension? That's really all I can see, other than it's easier to balance. Why rile everyone up and potentially chase away players that may not be replaced with the new things?

[Methais]

Is it because they want to switch differentiation to Ascension? That's really all I can see, other than it's easier to balance. Why rile everyone up and potentially chase away players that may not be replaced with the new things?

It's because they want there to be more incentive to spend money buying OP items at DR. Because game balance.

[Dendum]

Is it because they want to switch differentiation to Ascension? That's really all I can see, other than it's easier to balance. Why rile everyone up and potentially chase away players that may not be replaced with the new things?

If I had to guess I would say balance I know haste and bard haste have been put forward for a damn decade as a reason other things cant be like X because then someone will use it in one second and it will be OP....no comment on the validity of that argument.
I do find it really odd that they are having this massive burst of Square stuff to increase diversity and then balancing the spell lists off of each other thereby lowering diversity? It just seems inconsistent.
I wish they would just flat out say hey we need to nerf this one thing and give a clearer picture of the Meta like someone above stated....like what is the goal so we can picture where we may end up on the other side? I also wish they would force Naijin to do an update where gnomes come out the other side comparatively better than another race just to watch his head explode.

(nothing above should be understood to be discounting the gradual slide to pure pay to win as a motivation as well)

[lexbubba]

Don't know any bards who actually use sonics. I'm sure there are some.

I use a sonic shield on my 17m bard. Tower for small shield dodging benefits. 2x shield use, 2x brawling, use 1030 100% of the time. But I don't really know how to play a bard haha

[Methais]

I use a Sonic Shield too as of 2 days ago when my bard lost his shitty rolaren shield in Nelemar and I was too lazy to go recover it, and have so far been too lazy to go buy another one from the pawnshop.

I wonder if it's still there. :lol:

[Neveragain]

I hate reviews simply for the fact that history hasn't always been kind when they happen. If you sift through the rigamarole, the fact remains that some of what is being said is true.

It definitely is not helped by Discord in some cases. I love it's ability to near insta communicate, but devs aren't always well versed in PR, and sorting through so much info makes following some discussions not worth the time.

FWIW, I think everyone would be alot less anxious if we at least knew the real direction of the profession META change happening. E.g. My first char in the late 90s was a Sorc. Based on the review docs I'm glad I dropped that char long long ago, as it doesn't align with the playstyle I want.

That may be moot though if the profession meta is changing to homogenize all the classes. Bolt, cs, smr...just let everyone do everything because that's fun.

Makes me sad when people are using META for GS.

[Roblar]

I wonder if it's still there. :lol:


Yes, try RECOVER LIST

If you don't feel like going back and looking for it in the same room, go to the Adv Guld headmaster and ask about recovery for a silvers quote on them returning it for you.

[Tgo01]

I don't use sonic equipment because I died one too many times from being stunned or something and the spells renewing and sonic armor or sonic shield going bye bye.

Aren't song renewals going to be on a 1 minute timer now instead of the 7+ minute capped bards have now? That seems even more dangerous, unless sonic equipment persists even if stunned when the renewal comes around, which something tells me it won't work like that.

[Orthin]

using a sonic cestus with UAC was pretty darned awesome with those air flare procs. But I jumped bard ship around 51-52 so not sure if that counts as using sonic gear. I also liked to use armor intermittently because I was hunting in RR and could swim with that armor up.

[Roblar]

Aren't song renewals going to be on a 1 minute timer now instead of the 7+ minute capped bards have now? That seems even more dangerous, unless sonic equipment persists even if stunned when the renewal comes around, which something tells me it won't work like that.


That is indeed the plan for gear in the doc. And a chance at saving others spells if stunned, with lore.

[Tgo01]

That is indeed the plan for gear in the doc. And a chance at saving others spells if stunned, with lore.

I might actually use sonic equipment then if the gear doesn't disappear when incapacitated. Still prefer they didn't nerf 1030 and 1035.

[Makkah]

It's a shame people are so fucking stupid, they don't even READ the proposal.

[gilchristr]

As somebody that read the proposal, I would not fault anyone for not wanting to read 15 pages of shit. Plus, you cant blame someone for not wanting to read and discuss it, since whoever carefully designed all that probably has a major boner for all the ideas they toiled on, and they are going to be super defensive about it and are unlikely to accomodate anything but superficial changes no matter how eloquent of arguments anyone makes.

[Tgo01]

As somebody that read the proposal, I would not fault anyone for not wanting to read 15 pages of shit.

For real. This reminds me of the PSM3 changes which was like 60+ pages or some shit.

[Tgo01]

Also the least they could do is up the monthly loot cap for bards if they are gonna allow them to be the only class which can triple in trading.

[Neveragain]

I had forgotten about the loot cap.

What a bunch of fucking tools.

[Orthin]

it also sounds like the bless change is coming closer and closer too because they even call out the sonic gear having the damage resistance associated with bless changes built in to this proposal

[Methais]

As somebody that read the proposal, I would not fault anyone for not wanting to read 15 pages of shit. Plus, you cant blame someone for not wanting to read and discuss it, since whoever carefully designed all that probably has a major boner for all the ideas they toiled on, and they are going to be super defensive about it and are unlikely to accomodate anything but superficial changes no matter how eloquent of arguments anyone makes.

This is correct.

Source: Elemental lore review

[Rjex]

, since whoever carefully designed all that probably has a major boner for all the ideas they toiled on, and they are going to be super defensive about it and are unlikely to accomodate anything but superficial changes no matter how eloquent of arguments anyone makes.

This. Which is particularly disappointing since it's designed by someone who clearly has no vision for the class, has never played it really and doesn't care about it. They literally took every core aspect of the profession and stripped it off, to be replaced with some generic bullshit like crescendo that's touted as something we should be excited for, while being just a glorified flare that we have to micromanage and pay mana for. Yeah, that's totally worth losing the entire bard tool kit for. They're literally replacing one class with another.

[Avaia]

And trying to turn GS into a text-based Warcraft while they do it.

[Methais]

Also the least they could do is up the monthly loot cap for bards if they are gonna allow them to be the only class which can triple in trading.

They won't even un-nerf the Confluence despite there being a loot cap in place. Plane 5 is still better anyway because boxes, and I've made tons off good boxfound enhancives from there, but that doesn't make Simu any less retarded.

[Methais]

And trying to turn GS into a text-based Warcraft while they do it.

If they're going to insist on turning it onto the Wish version of a Blizzard game, they could at least go with Diablo.

[Neovik1]

They won't even un-nerf the Confluence despite there being a loot cap in place. Plane 5 is still better anyway because boxes, and I've made tons off good boxfound enhancives from there, but that doesn't make Simu any less retarded.

I started hunting the confluence for the first time ever... I pulled about 500k out of it in less than 20 minutes on a rogue for my first hunt of the day. Is that the norm to pull that much out in that amount of time?

[Methais]

I started hunting the confluence for the first time ever... I pulled about 500k out of it in less than 20 minutes on a rogue for my first hunt of the day. Is that the norm to pull that much out in that amount of time?

Before it originally got nerfed I could pull in like 1m an hour just soloing the place.

At some point, Coase stealth nerfed the place (stealth nerfed it so hard that he hid the code in "Core Systems," whatever that is other than not somewhere a nerf like that would go and it took like a year for Wyrom to find it), to where it has its own per character loot cap that resets daily. For my wizard, the place would dry up for me in 1-2 hours, and I'd usually have around 1m worth of loot between gems and plinites that my rogue would pick.

TLDR: Confluence is worth around 1m or so per day now, per character.
So yeah, what you're seeing is normal at first, but it'll go downhill pretty quickly until it resets the next day.

[Neovik1]

Before it originally got nerfed I could pull in like 1m an hour just soloing the place.

At some point, Coase stealth nerfed the place (stealth nerfed it so hard that he hid the code in "Core Systems," whatever that is other than not somewhere a nerf like that would go and it took like a year for Wyrom to find it), to where it has its own per character loot cap that resets daily. For my wizard, the place would dry up for me in 1-2 hours, and I'd usually have around 1m worth of loot between gems and plinites that my rogue would pick.

TLDR: Confluence is worth around 1m or so per day now, per character.
So yeah, what you're seeing is normal at first, but it'll go downhill pretty quickly until it resets the next day.

ah nice! ok. I thought the cap was 500k. I'm using mug so I maybe generating loot quicker. Guess I'm heading back in again. hah... so not only is there a cap but it is also impacted by loot pressure? (when you say it was drying up before the cap after 1-2 hours).

[Neovik1]

ah nice! ok. I thought the cap was 500k. I'm using mug so I maybe generating loot quicker. Guess I'm heading back in again. hah... so not only is there a cap but it is also impacted by loot pressure? (when you say it was drying up before the cap after 1-2 hours).

that second hunt didn't seem worth it at all. Definitely nothing no where close to what I pulled in from that first hunt.

[Methais]

ah nice! ok. I thought the cap was 500k. I'm using mug so I maybe generating loot quicker. Guess I'm heading back in again. hah... so not only is there a cap but it is also impacted by loot pressure? (when you say it was drying up before the cap after 1-2 hours).

Sort of loot pressure, but it's not based on how over or underhunted the area is, it's based around how much you've looted so far that day.

Also, if you go somewhere else first, any loot found there will also count toward your daily Confluence loot cap. So you could go to Plane 5 or something, rake in 1m or so worth of loot, then go to the Confluence for the first time that day and it'll suck ass.

The loot was the only thing that made the Confluence worth hunting. The area itself is pretty annoying and will wreck most people who aren't maxed out in all sorts of skills that are usually picked up post cap. Even then you'll still get randomly one shotted now and then by a major ewave with a huge open roll or something.

Nothing in there crits either, so it's also boring combat.

[Neovik1]

Sort of loot pressure, but it's not based on how over or underhunted the area is, it's based around how much you've looted so far that day.

Also, if you go somewhere else first, any loot found there will also count toward your daily Confluence loot cap. So you could go to Plane 5 or something, rake in 1m or so worth of loot, then go to the Confluence for the first time that day and it'll suck ass.

The loot was the only thing that made the Confluence worth hunting. The area itself is pretty annoying and will wreck most people who aren't maxed out in all sorts of skills that are usually picked up post cap. Even then you'll still get randomly one shotted now and then by a major ewave with a huge open roll or something.

Nothing in there crits either, so it's also boring combat.

Yeah last night I went in there for the first time and hunted for about 40 minutes and only came out with 2 plinites and 1 gem. But I definitely was getting close to 1m looted for the day. This morning was different due to my first hunt for the day. It seems worth it for that at least. But I'm only saying that with literally 1 day of real loot gain there. They didn't seem to pose much risk and I could easily hide without issue in front of them. The only annoyance I had was with them constantly running away and having to chase them. The spells getting dispeled was annoying but I got to the point where I just said fuck it with keeping spells up and was still fine. I'll probably only go in there for my first hunt each day for a week to see how it goes and if I want to deal with the annoyances it has.

The only damage I took was initial entry and I did get hit with a major ewave but was lucky and nothing too severe. But I'm sort of use to that dealing with the south side of the scatter.

[Methais]

Yeah last night I went in there for the first time and hunted for about 40 minutes and only came out with 2 plinites and 1 gem. But I definitely was getting close to 1m looted for the day. This morning was different due to my first hunt for the day. It seems worth it for that at least. But I'm only saying that with literally 1 day of real loot gain there. They didn't seem to pose much risk and I could easily hide without issue in front of them. The only annoyance I had was with them constantly running away and having to chase them. The spells getting dispeled was annoying but I got to the point where I just said fuck it with keeping spells up and was still fine. I'll probably only go in there for my first hunt each day for a week to see how it goes and if I want to deal with the annoyances it has.

The only damage I took was initial entry and I did get hit with a major ewave but was lucky and nothing too severe. But I'm sort of use to that dealing with the south side of the scatter.

If you keep your DS in the 550 range, dispels will be minimal. The more they miss an attack by, the more likely a dispel is to happen.

Cold side is base level 95, and hot side is base 100. Hot side is probably less annoying overall though. Air elementals are perma hasted or something because they move pretty fast which makes them extra annoying, and earth elementals can fall on you and kill you when they die.

Overall nothing in there hits very hard. Most deaths will either be a random open roll one shot, or a series of stupid events where everything that could possibly go wrong goes wrong. Usually the former though.

[Parkbandit]

And another thread getting tarded up by Ashliana leaking over into it.

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[Ashliana]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/87CKDqErVfMqY/giphy.gif

By further tarding up this thread with your ongoing, months-long meltdown?

:rofl:

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[dzulthu]

Is there like a dummy's guide to the Scatter and the Confluence? I've mostly been doing SoS, where the loot is maybe 300-400K an hour depending on how bored I get

[gilchristr]

Ashlianna the dude in your avatar is fretting like a woman

[Parkbandit]

Ashlianna the dude in your avatar is fretting like a woman

And he's a "dude" that frets like a mentally ill woman.

[Ashliana]

And he's a "dude" that frets like a mentally ill woman.

And what would I be "fretting" about? About how you, as a 50+ year old, began a decade-plus string of obsessively stalking people in order to send as many sociopathic, sexually graphic messages full of impotent rage to strangers on the Internet as possible because you humiliated yourself in political discussions?

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[Fleur-de-me]

My main issue with this review, past reviews, and I'm sure those to come is being told essentially that X ability (insert 1030, 1035, 506, 720 ect on and on and on) is to powerful for X profession to have on their respective spell list or ability list and then having that same allegedly overpowered spell or ability resold back to us twice a year at exorbitant rates.

It's been happening repeatedly, here lose this, buy this item, or tickets this event. Sadly they even making the grinding the alt currency so tedious and painful most of us prefer to script it to achieve the level of alt currency needed to buy back the same spells we just got stripped of, its maddening. At some point I think its natural to just to wanna get off the hamster wheel after while, no matter how much you love to run. Again there is nothing they can come up with replacement wise for losing capstone abilities, see group haste and defining profession spells like 1030 or having them nerfed into the ground for the sake of having them resold back to us whether through the simcoin store or paid events like DR, RTCF, ect.

If they don't think most of us can't recognize whats going on here they are wrong, even if a lot of use haven't voted with our pocketbooks, YET.

If I wanted to plink away or dot, or use pets I would play wow, I play GS cause I've always like the speed of combat, slowing combat down combat adds no 'fun' factor to me. I like Imploding being a one shot alot of times, I've never wanted sorcs nerfed, anymore than i want bards nerfed, standing in front of something for 10 rounds trying to avoid maneuvers while you plink away is not fun in any way. Just ask warriors pre PSM3.

[Merzbow]

My main issue with this review, past reviews, and I'm sure those to come is being told essentially that X ability (insert 1030, 1035, 506, 720 ect on and on and on) is to powerful for X profession to have on their respective spell list or ability list and then having that same allegedly overpowered spell or ability resold back to us twice a year at exorbitant rates.

Come on. There's a lot to criticize Simu for but selling previously nerfed abilities in their original form as auction items is not one of them.

[Neveragain]

I thought I would post this here and maybe a current player could pass it on to Discord.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQ_jKFnFSU

Besides the PvP mention, GS is breaking every one of the suggestions.

[Rjex]

I thought I would post this here and maybe a current player could pass it on to Discord.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQ_jKFnFSU

Besides the PvP mention, GS is breaking every one of the suggestions.


Interesting video for general game design, but speaking of GS in general and Estild & Naijin in particular, both have made it amply clear that they don't care what the players think or do. Funny you should post this as I was just thinking today that maybe it's really finally time to move on. Sucks as I got to know some people, which is the only thing that's giving me some pause, but the game itself is just becoming less and less interesting. It's this overwhelming feeling that any progress you make will eventually be undone anyway by a couple of devs with a cavalier attitude and possibly looking to make a buck, makes me not want to even bother anymore.

[gilchristr]

"both have made it amply clear they don't care what players think or do."

Yep, and thats what makes them too clever by half.

[Neveragain]

Interesting video for general game design, but speaking of GS in general and Estild & Naijin in particular, both have made it amply clear that they don't care what the players think or do. Funny you should post this as I was just thinking today that maybe it's really finally time to move on. Sucks as I got to know some people, which is the only thing that's giving me some pause, but the game itself is just becoming less and less interesting. It's this overwhelming feeling that any progress you make will eventually be undone anyway by a couple of devs with a cavalier attitude and possibly looking to make a buck, makes me not want to even bother anymore.

Quitting GS was difficult to be honest. The only thing that kept me around / coming back was my connection to River's Rest and the 15 years I had spent on writing story. When they cut the town guru and lifted parts of my writing to develop the current EG area...that was it for me. I spent years on developing that story only to be told I couldn't convert to the deity I created.

[Dendum]

Come on. There's a lot to criticize Simu for but selling previously nerfed abilities in their original form as auction items is not one of them.

Are you saying it is not one of them because it doesn't happen or because they should be allowed to do that?

[Merzbow]

Are you saying it is not one of them because it doesn't happen or because they should be allowed to do that?

Because it doesn't happen. I'm not gonna look over all 500 mania items again but I don't recall a single one in that category. But you are all missing the forest for the trees. The problem is not 5 bloated whales being overpowered, it is 500 players being overpowered at much lower cost due to HESS and experience gain buffs and DR drops and on and on.

[Gelston]

Because it doesn't happen. I'm not gonna look over all 500 mania items again but I don't recall a single one in that category. But you are all missing the forest for the trees. The problem is not 5 bloated whales being overpowered, it is 500 players being overpowered at much lower cost due to HESS and experience gain buffs and DR drops and on and on.

If everyone is overpowered, it isn't exactly overpowered, is it?

[Merzbow]

If everyone is overpowered, it isn't exactly overpowered, is it?

There are levels to this shit. The point is that this isn't a PvP game so being overpowered to content is the problem. Doesn't really matter if a couple of whales get bored, what about when half the playerbase does?

[Rjex]

Wait.... you're saying bards are bored and that's the problem they're fixing? I was pretty happy till this review hit tbh.

[Gelston]

There are levels to this shit. The point is that this isn't a PvP game so being overpowered to content is the problem. Doesn't really matter if a couple of whales get bored, what about when half the playerbase does?

And they 100% have the ability to adjust content.

[Methais]

Come on. There's a lot to criticize Simu for but selling previously nerfed abilities in their original form as auction items is not one of them.


Instead they just create things like a new bolt spell, give it to a class that can't use it, then sell SKs a month later at DR.

Everyone knows that GS today is all about what can dev do next to shoehorn people to P2W bullshit even more at the expense of the integrity of the game, all while screaming that it's in the name of game balance.

"We need to nerf these overpowered abilities so that you'll be more inclined to purchase these overpowered cash items instead. Because game balance."


At least when Warden was nerfing everything 20 years ago, his actual goal, even if misguided, was for "balance." Most of the current dev crew headed by Estild just have dollar signs in their eyes and little else.

I have little doubt that Stillfront is demanding they meet certain numbers, but continuing to wreck professions and systems that people have been playing for 20+ years is a pretty stupid way to handle it.

[caelric]

The summary is they nerf .

That's mostly how they have doing everything lately, though, so is anyone surprised?

[malmuddy]

Posted by Naijin about an hour ago on officials:

The Bard review is delayed as we continue to review feedback and potential solutions. No other updates at this time.

Any chance these proposed changes have been identified as the bullshit they are by someone with authority to reign Naijin in, or is it just delaying the inevitable?

[SonoftheNorth]

Posted by Naijin about an hour ago on officials:

The Bard review is delayed as we continue to review feedback and potential solutions. No other updates at this time.

Any chance these proposed changes have been identified as the bullshit they are by someone with authority to reign Naijin in, or is it just delaying the inevitable?

No, it probably means they want bards to switch to minor mental and too many people are complaining about it and wanting to stay elemental and they don't think it'll win the vote.

[Gelston]

No, it probably means they want bards to switch to minor mental and too many people are complaining about it and wanting to stay elemental and they don't think it'll win the vote.

When I buy Simutronics, Bards and Empaths will both be minor mental.

[Alastir]

Posted by Naijin about an hour ago on officials:

The Bard review is delayed as we continue to review feedback and potential solutions. No other updates at this time.

Any chance these proposed changes have been identified as the bullshit they are by someone with authority to reign Naijin in, or is it just delaying the inevitable?

The Bard doc isn't a Naijin design. I believe it was Oscuros parting gift.

[Alastir]

When I buy Simutronics, Bards and Empaths will both be minor mental.

Will you make Rangers elemental too.

[Fleur-de-me]

Will you make Rangers elemental too.

Yes please.

[Tgo01]

When I buy Simutronics, Bards and Empaths will both be minor mental.

You monster!

[Makkah]

Lol wut? Naijin took it over. Keep up.

[Darcthundar]

I have not seen this answered yet, but will sonic bows/x-bows be self ammo?

[Fortybox]

Posted by Naijin about an hour ago on officials:

The Bard review is delayed as we continue to review feedback and potential solutions. No other updates at this time.

Any chance these proposed changes have been identified as the bullshit they are by someone with authority to reign Naijin in, or is it just delaying the inevitable?

Ryjex, H2U, and Whirlin wrote a letter to the Stillfront CEO I'm pretty sure.

[Aequis]

Having just been banned from the official Discord for mentioning this letter to Stillfront, I will now be writing to them as well, on my legal letterhead, describing in detail Naijin and Estild's many failures and encouraging Stillfront to make Wyrom dictator for life if they want their investment to survive, to say nothing of flourish.

How did those guys send their letter?

I'm thinking legal courier service right to the door.

[yesicj]

Having just been banned from the official Discord for mentioning this letter to Stillfront, I will now be writing to them as well, on my legal letterhead, describing in detail Naijin and Estild's many failures and encouraging Stillfront to make Wyrom dictator for life if they want their investment to survive, to say nothing of flourish.

How did those guys send their letter?

I'm thinking legal courier service right to the door.

I'd recommend the in-game mail system

[Taernath]

Having just been banned from the official Discord for mentioning this letter to Stillfront, I will now be writing to them as well, on my legal letterhead, describing in detail Naijin and Estild's many failures and encouraging Stillfront to make Wyrom dictator for life if they want their investment to survive, to say nothing of flourish.

How did those guys send their letter?

I'm thinking legal courier service right to the door.

I would recommend using your character's name and title on the legal letterhead to show you mean business.

[Aequis]

I bet there are some dying print media outlets in Sweden that would run adverts critical of Naijin and Estild on the cheap.

[Methais]

Having just been banned from the official Discord for mentioning this letter to Stillfront, I will now be writing to them as well, on my legal letterhead, describing in detail Naijin and Estild's many failures and encouraging Stillfront to make Wyrom dictator for life if they want their investment to survive, to say nothing of flourish.

How did those guys send their letter?

I'm thinking legal courier service right to the door.

Hell yeah do it. Wyrom needs to have real ultimate power (www.realultimatepower.net/index4.htm) before GS gets ruined forever by Estild and Naijin's neverending nerf crusade.

[HebrewToYou]

Ryjex, H2U, and Whirlin wrote a letter to the Stillfront CEO I'm pretty sure.

This thread was brought to my attention, so just to make this crystal clear:

I have never written to Stillfront. My complaints about the bard proposal were limited to the forums and discord.

[Rjex]

This thread was brought to my attention, so just to make this crystal clear:

I have never written to Stillfront. My complaints about the bard proposal were limited to the forums and discord.

Fine. It was me. I got my homeboy Jörgen Larsson on speed dial.

[drumpel]

Having just been banned from the official Discord for mentioning this letter to Stillfront, I will now be writing to them as well, on my legal letterhead, describing in detail Naijin and Estild's many failures and encouraging Stillfront to make Wyrom dictator for life if they want their investment to survive, to say nothing of flourish.

How did those guys send their letter?

I'm thinking legal courier service right to the door.

I don't discord, it's not my thing. I have, however, had a couple of accounts banned from the forums as I outright called out issues and the GMs behind them....they didn't like that and banned me. They were supposed to be a year ban, but they don't feel like lifting it. Thankfully I have another account I can use that's not tied to the two that are banned so I can post there and complain when needed.

[Rjex]

] Estild: The current plan is that Divergence is temporary. We're moving ahead with the Bard Review (with MnE). Divergence would be in place in the Hinterwilds and we're remove the individual components as each profession gets their reviews implemented. Mostly, that just means, it would only temporarily apply to Bards, then a bit longer for Wizards since we haven't started their review yet. We'd probably just completely remove Divergence and globally update 240 once the Wizard Review goes live since it's less of an issue, but still one we needed to address.

So nerfs are going game wide (as predicted) and no MnM to make up for it. Didn't personally care one way or the other but MnM seemed very popular. Seems like Estild ain't happy til ain't nobody happy.

Also 515 is getting 1035 treatment, -1 reduction only, with a hard cooldown for evoke version:


Estild: The current idea for Rapid Fire (515) is that it would have a baseline -1 second castRT with no cooldown. However, it can then be evoked to grant a -2 second castRT, but after it wears off, the base version of the spell goes on a 2 minute cooldown and the evoked version goes on a 10 minute cooldown. The evoke cooldown can be reduced by -1 second per EMC rank (so can get it down to 5 minutes with max training, benefit is capped at -300). The baseline achieves the numbers we're after, but also gives wizards the opportunity to use it as an offensive powerup (but them consider it due to the incurred cooldown penalty). It's possible to have 1035 work similarly.

[bluecenterlight]

I'm so far behind, just saw the Divergence thread on Discord.

In case anyone missed it on Discord, from Estild (9/29)

The Hinterwilds has special and unique mechanics, like most hunting grounds, and specifically change how certain spells or mechanics work. There are no plans to expand those mechanics to any existing content, but other future hunting grounds may incorporate them. Collectively, it's called the "Divergence". Everything is live for it on Test, but it doesn't appear you've discovered everything about it yet.

Also saw from Estild on 9/30:

I think I've seen all the Divergence mechanics mentioned except one, but just to list them out:
* Bard spellsong hindrance: drains mana and incurs castRT.
* Song of Sonic Disruption (1030): reduced damage (similar to Grimswarm).
* Song of Tonis (1035): WIP, but as currently implemented, enforces a 2 second minimum RT. Does not affect groups.
* Spirit Slayer (240): "60" second cooldown (shows up as 90 since it's applied when the spell is cast and runs concurrent with the base 30 second duration of the spell).
* Rapid Fire (515): "120" second cooldown (shows up as 180 since it's applied when the spell is cast and runs concurrent with the base 60 second duration of the spell). Self-cast only.
* Core Tap (950): 5 minute cooldown, can still be activated multiple times during the cooldown with EL:E training.
* Minor Steam (from Minor Water's (903) lore benefit): increased mana cost to 5 mana.

[Tgo01]

Can they just stop with the dumb shit already?

[Amerek]

Bwahahahaha, no matter what they nerf 515 and 1035. Get rekt, gemstone players.

[Tgo01]

Get rekt, gemstone players.

I feel like this quote could be attributed to a couple of GMs.

[Amerek]

* Minor Steam (from Minor Water's (903) lore benefit): increased mana cost to 5 mana.[/I]

Does this really make a difference at cap? I feel like it's just adding insult to injury.

[Methais]

Does this really make a difference at cap? I feel like it's just adding insult to injury.

It doesn't. I still use 906 a lot and at max mana it really makes no difference. Estild just likes sticking it to wizards for the sake of sticking it to wizards.

Or he's just really stupid and has no place being involved in game design/balance/anything but just coding someone else's ideas who isn't a retard.

With rapid fire nerfs coming, I can almost guarantee you that there will be no 940 or similar equivalent to fill the void (which wouldn't work with rapid fire, and pretty much everyone seemed to be ok with that when it was previously discussed). We'll just be casting the same shitty and tedious unaimed bolts, but slower.

If anything, he should let 515 keep its 1s RT for utility and setup spells, just keep the shitty nerfs contained to actual damage spells.

[drumpel]

It doesn't. I still use 906 a lot and at max mana it really makes no difference. Estild just likes sticking it to wizards for the sake of sticking it to wizards.

Or he's just really stupid and has no place being involved in game design/balance/anything but just coding someone else's ideas who isn't a retard.

With rapid fire nerfs coming, I can almost guarantee you that there will be no 940 or similar equivalent to fill the void (which wouldn't work with rapid fire, and pretty much everyone seemed to be ok with that when it was previously discussed). We'll just be casting the same shitty and tedious unaimed bolts, but slower.

If anything, he should let 515 keep its 1s RT for utility and setup spells, just keep the shitty nerfs contained to actual damage spells.

If 940 came out in the suggested clip of bolts being powered up for 30 seconds, 940 most likely will not work with 515 being active and will not work with 950. That would just make 940 too powerful.....and they'll probably cap it at only being used once every 30 minutes and allow you to reduce that 30 minute cooldown by 1 second for every 50 ranks of EMC.

[Methais]

If 940 came out in the suggested clip of bolts being powered up for 30 seconds, 940 most likely will not work with 515 being active and will not work with 950. That would just make 940 too powerful.....and they'll probably cap it at only being used once every 30 minutes and allow you to reduce that 30 minute cooldown by 1 second for every 50 ranks of EMC.

I assumed based on that old clip Estild posted that 940 wouldn't be a buff, it would just be its own spell. 40 mana per cast to hit something really really hard isn't unreasonable. But Estild is a shit tier "game designer" who probably thinks Minor Water is OP so even if 940 did happen, he would be watered down to near uselessness based on how these shitty devs operate.

[gs4Pawn]

It doesn't. I still use 906 a lot and at max mana it really makes no difference. Estild just likes sticking it to wizards for the sake of sticking it to wizards.

Or he's just really stupid and has no place being involved in game design/balance/anything but just coding someone else's ideas who isn't a retard.

With rapid fire nerfs coming, I can almost guarantee you that there will be no 940 or similar equivalent to fill the void (which wouldn't work with rapid fire, and pretty much everyone seemed to be ok with that when it was previously discussed). We'll just be casting the same shitty and tedious unaimed bolts, but slower.

If anything, he should let 515 keep its 1s RT for utility and setup spells, just keep the shitty nerfs contained to actual damage spells.

When this all goes down I guess It will be time to shut down some accounts.

/shrug.

The nerfs are getting old.

Every GM needs to come by and nerf the crap out of my char because they want to have game balance.

Guess what, its easy to balance the mobs not nerf the chars.

[kutter]

I keep looking at what they are saying about nerfs for the wizards and bards and I cannot help but wonder if it is just time to try New World and save my self $85 a month. What is the point in taking years to build an alt to the current rules then they change the rules. It is more than a little annoying. Of course spending less time in front of the computer might not be such a bad thing. I guess we will see when things finally come out.

[drumpel]

I keep looking at what they are saying about nerfs for the wizards and bards and I cannot help but wonder if it is just time to try New World and save my self $85 a month. What is the point in taking years to build an alt to the current rules then they change the rules. It is more than a little annoying. Of course spending less time in front of the computer might not be such a bad thing. I guess we will see when things finally come out.

New World is okay. Tons of walking back and forth - yeah, you can fast travel to certain spots if you're at a town/alter, but for the most part you're constantly running back and forth between places you'll visit many, many times.

[kutter]

New World is okay. Tons of walking back and forth - yeah, you can fast travel to certain spots if you're at a town/alter, but for the most part you're constantly running back and forth between places you'll visit many, many times.

Truthfully if I give up on Gemstone I would likely give up on most games and go back to a less computer entrenched lifestyle that the chinese virus has only made that much worse.

[Gelston]

New World is kind of like a survival/MMORPG/PvP hybrid. I'm enjoying it.

[Neveragain]

New World is kind of like a survival/MMORPG/PvP hybrid. I'm enjoying it.

It's PvP if you can log in and not get mass reported by the apposing faction.

It's exactly what you would expect from a company like Amazon. Copy/paste, passionless, garbage.

[Gelston]

It's PvP if you can log in and not get mass reported by the apposing faction.

It's exactly what you would expect from a company like Amazon. Copy/paste, passionless, garbage.

That mass report shit doesn't work