Curing Diabetes

[ElanthianSiren]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4459523.stm

Happy girl present. Stand back :D


-Melissa

That is remarkable. Right now, however, having that this procedure is still in very early stages, I would still much rather have an insulin pump inserted in my arm than run the risk of a graft vs. host, especially after reading that 4 seperate donors were needed to replace one islet.

Although if I were a chronic sufferer of type I diabetes, I might opt for this new procedure.

[Caiylania]

Closer everyday. This runs in my family so we are always on the watchout.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
That is remarkable. Right now, however, having that this procedure is still in very early stages, I would still much rather have an insulin pump inserted in my arm than run the risk of a graft vs. host, especially after reading that 4 seperate donors were needed to replace one islet.

Although if I were a chronic sufferer of type I diabetes, I might opt for this new procedure.

I'd take the risk, gladly. An insulin pump like that would only be useful if it constantly monitored your blood sugar. Because my sugar fluctuates bad due to anything -- including stress or my period or whatever -- an insulin pump, while better, hasn't worked. Lantus, while better than the pump, hasn't worked either. I have brittle diabetes I.

This is just an amazing relief. I'm so excited! I can't even express it. -The thought of being normal is an amazing one, not to mention the amount of people whose limbs/eyes/lives this will save every year if they can improve it.

On one hand, it's funny though because I based my entire college major on this, now it's looking toward done. Guess it's time to want to cure something else!

-Melissa
(perma-grinned)

[Edited on Tue, April th, 2005 by ElanthianSiren]

[peam]

Fantastic. I hope they refine the process and make it widespread.

Two of my good friends suffer from juvenile diabetes. One of them keeps it in check rather well, but the other battles constantly with it.

[HarmNone]

This is a wonderful breakthrough! For sufferers of Type I diabetes, this could make huge difference in their lives. :)

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Happy girl present. Stand back :D

-Melissa

I wouldn't get too excited just yet. This article is in reference to the inflammatory
autoimmune Diabetes Mellitus, Type 1. As most of you undoubtedly know, this is 'rare'. Over 90% of the population that has Diabetes has type 2, which is USUALLY brought on by one's own ignorance. I stress the word usually.

It is quite an astounding article, though. I recall some of my professors mentioning this (in reference to dead donors, however) many years ago.

Tabor.

[Hulkein]

Which one do you get from being too heavy?

Type II?

My uncle has the juvenile one, I feel bad for anyone with it.

[HarmNone]

Type I diabetes is the juvenile form. Type II diabetes has a later onset and is, in most cases, effected by lifestyle, including diet.

Type II diabetes can usually be treated by oral medications, if caught early enough and if lifestyle changes are made and strictly adhered to.

[Edited on 4-19-2005 by HarmNone]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Tabor

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Happy girl present. Stand back :D

-Melissa

I wouldn't get too excited just yet. This article is in reference to the inflammatory
autoimmune Diabetes Mellitus, Type 1. As most of you undoubtedly know, this is 'rare'. Over 90% of the population that has Diabetes has type 2, which is USUALLY brought on by one's own ignorance. I stress the word usually.

It is quite an astounding article, though. I recall some of my professors mentioning this (in reference to dead donors, however) many years ago.

Tabor.

Ignorance, how? I dunno if I'd categorize an entire group of individuals with such an epidemic-sized condition as ignorant.

Further, for type 1ers, they were working on a process to enclose the donated cells in a semi permeable membrane within the liver, last I read. This membrane would not allow the cells to be attacked by the immune system, while allowing the necessary hormones out.

It's a step :) imo, an important one, as type 1 diabetes can't be controlled with diet and exercise like type 2.

-Melissa

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Which one do you get from being too heavy?

Type II?

My uncle has the juvenile one, I feel bad for anyone with it.

Heh, that's one 'nice' way to put it, being heavy. Yes, that's one of the ways type II forms. It's the non-insulin dependent version, as they become insulin resistant -- as opposed to the autoimmune type I, where the pancreas fails to secrete insulin because of autoimmune destruction of the beta cells.

[Edited on 4-19-2005 by Tabor]

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
It's a step :) imo, an important one, as type 1 diabetes can't be controlled with diet and exercise like type 2.

-Melissa

This is entirely false. One of the 'treatment' methods for type 1 includes following a proper diet and getting the right amount of exercise.

[Miss X]

Originally posted by Tabor

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Happy girl present. Stand back :D

-Melissa

I wouldn't get too excited just yet. This article is in reference to the inflammatory
autoimmune Diabetes Mellitus, Type 1. As most of you undoubtedly know, this is 'rare'. Over 90% of the population that has Diabetes has type 2, which is USUALLY brought on by one's own ignorance. I stress the word usually.

It is quite an astounding article, though. I recall some of my professors mentioning this (in reference to dead donors, however) many years ago.

Tabor.

I really hope, that as someone who would like to join the medical profession, you never, ever, suggest to a patient that their condition was brought on by their own ignorance. I've never once heard a good Doctor say anything like that, I'm pretty sure s/he would be chased out of the hospital if they did!

Also, Melissa said type 1 diabetes cannot be controlled with diet and exercise, she didnt say it wasnt a treatment method. As I am sure you know, beta cell destruction that has occurred in patients with type one diabetes (as opposed to beta cell dysfunction that occurs in the first stages of type two) means that diet and exercise alone will not control the condition. Just like, when patients with type two diabetes have gone past the stage of dysfunction and on to destruction (I'm sure I am putting this simply, I'm definitely not an expert), they usually need insulin therapy as well as the lifestyle changes.

I really hope this is a great breakthrough and helps people with diabetes, It's so awful to see relatively young people losing their sight and their limbs, I hate it.

[Edited on 19-4-05 by Miss X]

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by Tabor

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
It's a step :) imo, an important one, as type 1 diabetes can't be controlled with diet and exercise like type 2.

-Melissa

This is entirely false. One of the 'treatment' methods for type 1 includes following a proper diet and getting the right amount of exercise.

Wow... I really hope you're not studying to be a doctor.

A type 1 diabetic's body ceases to make, or makes a negligable amount, of insulin as its immune system has destroyed its beta cells.

Barring artificial insulin use, even eating nothing, a type 1 diabetic's blood sugar rises. Getting exercise in the lack of insulin and in the lack of food, a type 1 diabetic's blood sugar also rises. In fact, without the presence of insulin, a type 1 diabetic's sugars rise FASTER in the presence of physical activity as it forces stored glucose into his/her cells more readily.

This procedure would make it so the body sensed sugar levels and released the proper amount of insulin as long as the donor cells were healthy, thus stabilizing blood sugar constantly, without regard of diet or exercise.

Conclusion: Diet and Exercise alone NOT a treatment option for a type 1 diabetic as it can be with a hyper or hypoglycemic.

-Melissa

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Wow... I really hope you're not studying to be a doctor.

A type 1 diabetic's body ceases to make, or makes a negligable amount, of insulin as its immune system has destroyed its beta cells.

Barring artificial insulin use, even eating nothing, a type 1 diabetic's blood sugar rises. Getting exercise in the lack of insulin and in the lack of food, a type 1 diabetic's blood sugar also rises. In fact, without the presence of insulin, a type 1 diabetic's sugars rise FASTER in the presence of physical activity as it forces stored glucose into his/her cells more readily.

This procedure would make it so the body sensed sugar levels and released the proper amount of insulin as long as the donor cells were healthy, thus stabilizing blood sugar constantly, without regard of diet or exercise.

Conclusion: Diet and Exercise alone NOT a treatment option for a type 1 diabetic as it can be with a hyper or hypoglycemic.

-Melissa

It's unfortunate for you, then, that I start medical school come September.

I do not need a lecture on how the disease works -- I'm well informed and quite educated on the matter, proverbially moreso than you could ever begin to imagine.

I still stand firm with my prior comment. If you fail to comprehend why, just pull a Tsa' and google it in hopes to appear educated.

Tabor.

[Edaarin]

Originally posted by Tabor

It's unfortunate for you, then, that I start medical school come September.

Tabor.

Really? Because the MCAT's were just administered this past Saturday. Not too likely you'd take them in your second year of college. Even so, results don't come out for weeks.

And then comes the process of applying to med schools in the fall...with interviews generally taking place between October-January, and decisions coming out in mid-late January/February, maybe March.

Unless you took them in the fall. Of your second year in college. Meaning you would have had to already taken biology, chemistry, physics, and organic chemistry, plus their respective labs. Maybe you had credit for the first three...but unless you go to an incredibly shitty school, you'd still have to take the respective labs.

Oh yeah, diabetes sucks.

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Edaarin

Originally posted by Tabor

It's unfortunate for you, then, that I start medical school come September.

Tabor.

Really? Because the MCAT's were just administered this past Saturday. Not too likely you'd take them in your second year of college. Even so, results don't come out for weeks.

And then comes the process of applying to med schools in the fall...with interviews generally taking place between October-January, and decisions coming out in mid-late January/February, maybe March.

Unless you took them in the fall. Of your second year in college. Meaning you would have had to already taken biology, chemistry, physics, and organic chemistry, plus their respective labs. Maybe you had credit for the first three...but unless you go to an incredibly shitty school, you'd still have to take the respective labs.

Oh yeah, diabetes sucks.

The Royal College of Surgeons does not require an MCAT test. Though, if one decides to try their luck at it, they may attend the school for 4 years, as opposed to 6.

Nice try, though.

[Soulpieced]

The UK is a long way from Purdue. Don't most people need a bachelor's degree to actually get into med school anyway?

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Soulpieced
The UK is a long way from Purdue. Don't most people need a bachelor's degree to actually get into med school anyway?

Jesus Christ, do some fucking research before you boast idiotic claims.

First of all, it's located in Dublin, Ireland.

Second of all, most students enter right out of highschool, as the system is completely different over there.

A fucked up gimp with no education or future such as yourself wouldn't apply to any of the above, however. Have fun with that factory job and the softball team!

[Edaarin]

Northern Ireland is in the UK. Guess where Dublin is.

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Northern Ireland is in the UK. Guess where Dublin is.

I suggest you delete this post, as you've clearly made evident the lack of sophistication you possess -- at least, geographically speaking. Typical of one your race, I suppose.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/ie.htm

Check that website out and refine your remarks to things that are actually true, love.

Tabor.

[Edaarin]

Look closer dumbass.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/uk.htm

[Liberi Fatali]

Originally posted by Edaarin
Look closer dumbass.

http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/uk.htm

Northern Ireland is completely separate from Ireland. I assure you that Dublin is not located in Northern Ireland. That's like saying Canada and The United States are one in the same.

I thought you were in college? Hmm..

[Edaarin]

Oh, wait, I might be wrong. Oops.

Unlike some people though, I don't delete my shit when I get called out for being wrong.

I'd lose my job as being in the shadow phase of a nurse's aide if I even gave medical "advice" to a patient.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Tabor
It's unfortunate for you, then, that I start medical school come September.

Heh, I hope for your sake it's an easy program from a cheap school. I never knew of any graduating pre-med students that make the terminology errors that you do.


I do not need a lecture on how the disease works -- I'm well informed and quite educated on the matter, proverbially moreso than you could ever begin to imagine.

Experience is often the best instructor there is. I'm willing to bet you know less about the disease than an afflicted and informed person.


I still stand firm with my prior comment. If you fail to comprehend why, just pull a Tsa' and google it in hopes to appear educated.

Kiddo, I graduated from a pre-med program 9 years ago and pulled an mcat score placing me in the top 10%.

Google is a tool for verification and research. I'll never deny using search engine to pull references to check my facts against. Perhaps you need some education on it's use instead of using as you own thought medium.

A bit of advice to end the thought ... don't kick a sleeping dog kid, it's a good way to get your ass tore up.

From here I would suggest changing your posting style because people keep using your own words as they return your unwanted ass to you.

[ElanthianSiren]

:injured:

Actually, if I were to attack the research, I'd attack the fact that they're only giving it a window of 5 years. Not even I'm arrogant enough to expect to hit up a relative for new iclits every 5 years. Like I said however, it's a start, and if they can build on it, it would be incredible. I see this from a researcher's point of view, not from the "Oh wow! It's absolutely perfected!" outlook.

Second, I'd really not play the omnipresent doctor role unless you're actually a doctor, for reasons Tsa'ah cited already that I don't need to repeat.

Third, if you know so much about the research and about the differences between treatment options for Diabetes 1 and 2, which you've already proven you do not, why don't you inform us to rebutt the points listed here instead of assuming everyone will take your word as good and taking some strange attitude that everyone with certain medical conditions deserves to have them because they're fat/don't exercise?

Finally, if you are insinuating that individuals with Diabetes I acquire the dysfunction for the same reasons as type II, and are thus undeserving of treatment, which seems to be the attitude you are projecting, I would google your own assumptions. Most Type 1 diabetics are actually UNDERWEIGHT. There is more of a correlation to genetic disposition than to weight with the disease. In short though, being overweight does not guarantee either form of diabetes, nor does being underweight guarantee NOT suffering from diabetes 1 or 2.

-Melissa