On the Vaccinated

[Latrinsorm]

The CDC first released vaccinated death numbers in April.
99.9% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated at that point.
99% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated in May.
98% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated in June.
94% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated last week.

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The UK didn't release vaccinated death numbers until the end of May.
95% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated at that point.
Cases had doubled, but deaths were pretty much the same.

By the middle of June, 80% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated.
Cases had quadrupled, and deaths had doubled.

By the end of June, 80% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated.
Cases had decupled, and deaths had trebled.

By the end of July, 80% of COVID deaths were *still* among the unvaccinated.
Cases had peaked at 26x a couple weeks before, deaths are at 13x and are still climbing.

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Our cases got 7x higher in July.
And are still climbing.

Our deaths are 1.5x higher.
And are still climbing.

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Even if, dear reader, you only care about what happens to the vaccinated population,
you cannot ignore rising cases without being an idiot.
You cannot ignore rising deaths, without being an idiot.

They impact the vaccinated population *less*.
But the impact on the vaccinated does, and will ALWAYS continue to, increase in proportion with the overall numbers.

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And, as has always been the case for a year and a half, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

You know.

You can't choose to know or not.

You know.

Your choice is to be so cowardly as to pretend you don't know,
to pretend what you know full well will happen won't happen,
to pretend and cower and snivel and hide behind stupid lies,

or,

to just do the right thing.

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We know what we have to do.
We know whom we have to lead by the nose.
We know we know.

It's too late to keep this surge from happening.

We know there will be another surge.

We even know when it will happen.

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Are we brave enough to stand up, and fight it?

[Tgo01]

Just so you know even people in Biden's administration had to call out fake news such as the one you are currently peddling. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/white-house-frustrated-media-coverage-delta-covid.html)

Fully vaccinated people in April: 17%
Fully vaccinated people in May: 31.5%
Fully vaccinated people in June: 41.4%
Fully vaccinated people last week: 50.1%

What you're saying is like saying cars in the US are more deadly than cars in Djibouti because there are 185 times more car related deaths in the US, completely ignoring the fact that there are over 10,000 times the number of cars/drivers in the US as well.

[Ashliana]

Just so you know even people in Biden's administration had to call out fake news such as the one you are currently peddling. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/white-house-frustrated-media-coverage-delta-covid.html)

Fully vaccinated people in April: 17%
Fully vaccinated people in May: 31.5%
Fully vaccinated people in June: 41.4%
Fully vaccinated people last week: 50.1%

What you're saying is like saying cars in the US are more deadly than cars in Djibouti because there are 185 times more car related deaths in the US, completely ignoring the fact that there are over 10,000 times the number of cars/drivers in the US as well.

You didn't address anything Latrin said, your article in no way "calls out" what he said as "fake news," you made a completely nonsensical non-sequitur, either because you're being dishonest (which would surprise no one), or because you're a complete imbecile, Dreaven (ding, ding, ding, ding!)

[Neveragain]

The CDC first released vaccinated death numbers in April.
99.9% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated at that point.
99% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated in May.
98% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated in June.
94% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated last week.

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The UK didn't release vaccinated death numbers until the end of May.
95% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated at that point.
Cases had doubled, but deaths were pretty much the same.

By the middle of June, 80% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated.
Cases had quadrupled, and deaths had doubled.

By the end of June, 80% of COVID deaths were among the unvaccinated.
Cases had decupled, and deaths had trebled.

By the end of July, 80% of COVID deaths were *still* among the unvaccinated.
Cases had peaked at 26x a couple weeks before, deaths are at 13x and are still climbing.

.

Our cases got 7x higher in July.
And are still climbing.

Our deaths are 1.5x higher.
And are still climbing.

.

Even if, dear reader, you only care about what happens to the vaccinated population,
you cannot ignore rising cases without being an idiot.
You cannot ignore rising deaths, without being an idiot.

They impact the vaccinated population *less*.
But the impact on the vaccinated does, and will ALWAYS continue to, increase in proportion with the overall numbers.

.

.

And, as has always been the case for a year and a half, I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

You know.

You can't choose to know or not.

You know.

Your choice is to be so cowardly as to pretend you don't know,
to pretend what you know full well will happen won't happen,
to pretend and cower and snivel and hide behind stupid lies,

or,

to just do the right thing.

.

.

We know what we have to do.
We know whom we have to lead by the nose.
We know we know.

It's too late to keep this surge from happening.

We know there will be another surge.

We even know when it will happen.

.

.

.



I get the vaccination as soon as the drug manufacturers can be held legally liable for any personal damages that may be related to the vaccinations.


Are we brave enough to stand up, and fight it?

Actually, I don't think you are brave enough.

[Latrinsorm]

Just so you know even people in Biden's administration had to call out fake news such as the one you are currently peddling. (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2021/07/white-house-frustrated-media-coverage-delta-covid.html)

Fully vaccinated people in April: 17%
Fully vaccinated people in May: 31.5%
Fully vaccinated people in June: 41.4%
Fully vaccinated people last week: 50.1%

What you're saying is like saying cars in the US are more deadly than cars in Djibouti because there are 185 times more car related deaths in the US, completely ignoring the fact that there are over 10,000 times the number of cars/drivers in the US as well.

Because you're a stupid coward I know you won't care about this, but anyone who isn't can rely on rudimentary elementary school arithmetic to see that those numbers emphatically did not paint the picture you were told to claim they make: 50.1%/17% is 3 times as many people fully vaccinated, yet there were 9 times as many breakthrough deaths. Even for those of us who never got past counting on our fingers, 9 isn't 3. 9 is 9, and 3 is 3.

And 91% of COVID deaths were among the vaccinated last week, a dramatic drop with a negligible increase in fully vaccinated people.

The 237 breakthrough deaths in a single week were more than the previous THREE weeks combined, and this when the 2580 total deaths in a single week was dramatically LOWER than the 5397 in the previous three weeks combined.

Again I recognize this is hard for some quislings to face, but 1 isn't 3. 1 is 1, and 3 is 3. When a bad thing that happens in 1 thing is as many as had happened in the previous 3 things, that isn't a good thing, it's a bad thing.

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I didn't evade polio because I was vaccinated.
I evaded polio because ALL OF US were vaccinated.

This is not a hard concept.

A lot of people want you to pretend it is.

And yet it still is not a hard concept.

[Tgo01]

Because you're a stupid coward I know you won't care about this, but anyone who isn't can rely on rudimentary elementary school arithmetic to see that those numbers emphatically did not paint the picture you were told to claim they make: 50.1%/17% is 3 times as many people fully vaccinated, yet there were 9 times as many breakthrough deaths. Even for those of us who never got past counting on our fingers, 9 isn't 3. 9 is 9, and 3 is 3.

And 91% of COVID deaths were among the vaccinated last week, a dramatic drop with a negligible increase in fully vaccinated people.

The 237 breakthrough deaths in a single week were more than the previous THREE weeks combined, and this when the 2580 total deaths in a single week was dramatically LOWER than the 5397 in the previous three weeks combined.

Again I recognize this is hard for some quislings to face, but 1 isn't 3. 1 is 1, and 3 is 3. When a bad thing that happens in 1 thing is as many as had happened in the previous 3 things, that isn't a good thing, it's a bad thing.

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I didn't evade polio because I was vaccinated.
I evaded polio because ALL OF US were vaccinated.

This is not a hard concept.

A lot of people want you to pretend it is.

And yet it still is not a hard concept.

How is going from 99% to 94% a nine fold increase?

1% of 100 is 1, 6% of 100 is 6, that’s a six fold increase.

In any event, are you now admitting your original post was grossly misleading since you didn’t include the fact that many more people are vaccinated now than they were in April?

[Parkbandit]

Why did we start using percentages instead of actual numbers?

Anyone have a chart or graph or raw numbers over the past year and a half, showing the number of hospital infections and deaths due to covid?

[Latrinsorm]

How is going from 99% to 94% a nine fold increase?

1% of 100 is 1, 6% of 100 is 6, that’s a six fold increase.

In any event, are you now admitting your original post was grossly misleading since you didn’t include the fact that many more people are vaccinated now than they were in April?

because, as you are well aware, the number didn't start at 99%, it started at 99.9%

as you are also well aware, because overall deaths decreased while vaccinated deaths were increasing, the increase in proportion of deaths is not the same as the increase in the number of breakthrough deaths

your continued insistence on pretending you don't know basic arithmetic is really boring

[Latrinsorm]

Why did we start using percentages instead of actual numbers?

Anyone have a chart or graph or raw numbers over the past year and a half, showing the number of hospital infections and deaths due to covid?

the cdc first began releasing weekly(ish) death numbers of the vaccinated 04/12. sometimes they were a day earlier or later, sometimes they took a week off - it doesn't really matter for purposes of seeing the trend. here are total and new numbers by date:

https://imgur.com/QPu1Nwi.png

as always, this isn't complicated, as we will see on friday when we shatter the single week record for vaccinated deaths again

[Tgo01]

because, as you are well aware, the number didn't start at 99%, it started at 99.9%

as you are also well aware, because overall deaths decreased while vaccinated deaths were increasing, the increase in proportion of deaths is not the same as the increase in the number of breakthrough deaths

your continued insistence on pretending you don't know basic arithmetic is really boring

Just one more question then I will let you get back to your delusion: if a city/state/country/whatever managed to get 100% of the population vaccinated and people still ended up dying to the virus, would you then declare the vaccine is worthless because 100% of the deaths are vaccinated people?

[drumpel]

Why did we start using percentages instead of actual numbers?

To help minimize or maximize data being offered so the group showing the information can better control the story to fit their benefits as they pass along information.



Anyone have a chart or graph or raw numbers over the past year and a half, showing the number of hospital infections and deaths due to covid?

It would be hard to believe any total lump sum of numbers simply due to the fact that when things first started, numbers were horribly skewed due to what they classified as a covid death. Deaths were reported as covid without tests simply because of a symptom that was similar to what covid would cause, so no test would be administered. I know a few people that had old parents in hospice and on their death beds before covid started to gain traction and after they passed their death certificates were marked as covid being the cause of death - no test was ran, just simply listed as covid. They're still fighting the system to get it corrected. Just makes you wonder how many other stupid ass deaths out there were flagged as covid, but had nothing to do with it. I know a RN that had a patient in a vehicular accident come in and died from injuries, she said she was mortified that cause of death had covid listed on it even though no test was ran and the victim clearly passed away from head trauma. Yeah, take it with a grain of salt, but you hear other stories out there like that. Makes you wonder if they were made up, why? Or if they are true, why?

Even trying to make sense of "actual" numbers over percentages isn't going to help. The data is so skewed no one will ever truly know, right now it's just a best guess or it's just information from one side made to fit their agenda. Remember, catastrophic events in the world are not seen by the powerful and greedy as catastrophic events - they're seen as new challenges to profit as much as possible and control as power as possible over those under them.

[Methais]

Latrin gave me COVID.

Latrin gave the PC COVID.

Latrin is COVID.

[Methais]

Hey Latrin, two people I know have COVID. One is unvaccinated and mostly feels fine. The other is fully vaccinated and has been destroyed all week long and feels like she's on death's doorstep. Don't panic Latrin, that's just an expression.


But anyway, tell us, how can this be?

Tell us Latrin.

https://i.gifer.com/Sp7J.gif

[time4fun]

This thread is genuinely confusing. I'm not even sure what Tgo and PB are trying to argue here. I'm not sure they are either.

And Methais- in what way is your highly anecdotal story contradicting anything Latrin said?

[Tgo01]

This thread is genuinely confusing. I'm not even sure what Tgo and PB are trying to argue here. I'm not sure they are either.

And Methais- in what way is your highly anecdotal story contradicting anything Latrin said?

Latrin is arguing since the vaccine isn't 100% effective at preventing deaths that we need to bring back shutdowns indefinitely. He is also arguing in bad faith implying that the vaccine is becoming less effective because a greater percentage of deaths have been from vaccinated people compared to earlier in the year when the number of vaccinated people was much lower, completely ignoring the fact that as the number of vaccinated people goes up it is inevitable that a larger percentage of deaths will be among the vaccinated simply because there are many more vaccinated people now than there were several months ago.

This is one of those weird times where a Democrat (Latrin) is saying something that goes completely against the preferred Democrat narrative (vaccines are great and if you question them you are the devil) and I am the one defending vaccines yet you and Ashliana are so primitive in your tribal thinking that you automatically take the side of the Democrat, even though they are spouting shit that goes counter to the preferred Democrat narrative.

[time4fun]

Latrin is arguing since the vaccine isn't 100% effective at preventing deaths that we need to bring back shutdowns indefinitely. He is also arguing in bad faith implying that the vaccine is becoming less effective because a greater percentage of deaths have been from vaccinated people compared to earlier in the year when the number of vaccinated people was much lower, completely ignoring the fact that as the number of vaccinated people goes up it is inevitable that a larger percentage of deaths will be among the vaccinated simply because there are many more vaccinated people now than there were several months ago.

This is one of those weird times where a Democrat (Latrin) is saying something that goes completely against the preferred Democrat narrative (vaccines are great and if you question them you are the devil) and I am the one defending vaccines yet you and Ashliana are so primitive in your tribal thinking that you automatically take the side of the Democrat, even though they are spouting shit that goes counter to the preferred Democrat narrative.

Was this conversation a continuation of another one? Because a lot of what you're saying here doesn't seem to be in the thread. I don't see anyone arguing for indefinite lockdowns, for example.

Also these aren't "democratic" talking points Tgo. It's actual data and actual recommendations made by government health agencies and major professional health organizations. We have GOT to stop treating this like it's a right/left thing. It's only a right/left thing because some horrible people decided it was beneficial to them if we thought in those terms. And it's literally killing people.

Finally, it's worth pointing out here that the vaccineS are becoming less effective because of the delta variant (https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/567215-new-study-finds-one-vaccine-may-be-superior) (and the way it interacts with the elimination of lockdowns).

Moderna's effectiveness dropped 10% in July (down to 76%) as the delta variant swept the nation.
Pfizer's effectiveness dropped 34% in July (down to 42%)
J&J and AstraZeneca are also less effective against the delta variant.

As far as I know, there's only one vaccine that has similar protection against Delta as it does for alpha, and there aren't many doses out there in the world.

And we have good reason to suspect that vaccinated people can actually spread the Delta variant to others (though it still seems to be a very low chance).

These are all contributing to Latrin's point.

But I will grant you this- Latrin isn't taking into account things like the Provincetown event where 60k people had to be tracked and traced (and therefore were more likely to have repeated testing and to report the results to the CDC directly). They spotted almost 1k cases that in many cases may never have been reported otherwise. That screws with the July numbers in a big way.

[Tgo01]

Was this conversation a continuation of another one? Because a lot of what you're saying here doesn't seem to be in the thread. I don't see anyone arguing for indefinite lockdowns, for example.

Yes, he has been arguing for bringing back the lockdowns for months and he keeps citing cases of vaccinated people getting sick and dying as his reasoning for why we can't rely on vaccines alone and we need to bring back lockdowns, this thread is just another example of his continuing bullshit.

[Methais]

We have GOT to stop treating this like it's a right/left thing. It's only a right/left thing because some horrible people decided it was beneficial to them if we thought in those terms. And it's literally killing people.

"COVID is God's gift to the left"



https://youtu.be/BSFx7PxfVLI

I'm 99% sure Pelosi said something similar at some point.


I agree with you that both Jane Fonda and Pelosi are horrible people.

[Shaps]

It's odd... why aren't there daily briefings about Operation Warp Speed II, to increase the efficacy and develop a more robust vaccine... like was done with the initial strain?

Oh wait, silly question...

It's odd... why isn't there more information dissemination with regards to therapeutics, lifestyle changes, focus on underlying conditions and the elderly like there was under the previous administration?

Oh wait, silly question...

Etc., etc., etc.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Since tracking started: Under 50 total deaths - 30,000. Over 50 total deaths - 580,000 or so. That's almost a two year period.

Tell me again why 3 year old's wearing masks is any type of logical response? I can see if they're going to visit their Grandparents or such. As I've been saying be smart, do what's best for you medically in conjunction with your Doctor's advice (not a politicians), be respectful and mind your surroundings, and most importantly understand who is most at risk and take steps to mitigate when the situation necessitates. Otherwise just live your fucking life.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Again.. not saying Covid isn't dangerous or precautions shouldn't be taken. I'm saying use some common sense when applying the data and information to your life and particular set of circumstances. The Government should not overreach and create mass hysteria, when they should be focusing guidance and recommendations on the most vulnerable segments of society, and how to mitigate it.

In 2020 alone - Flu/Pneumonia killed 50,000 people. That's more than Covid in 2019-2020 combined for those under 50. There is no Government/Media uproar over "GO GET YOUR FLU VACCINE! YOU'RE KILLING PEOPLE!!!!" hysteria. Ask yourself why. All I'm saying.

[Latrinsorm]

Latrin is arguing since the vaccine isn't 100% effective at preventing deaths that we need to bring back shutdowns indefinitely. He is also arguing in bad faith implying that the vaccine is becoming less effective because a greater percentage of deaths have been from vaccinated people compared to earlier in the year when the number of vaccinated people was much lower, completely ignoring the fact that as the number of vaccinated people goes up it is inevitable that a larger percentage of deaths will be among the vaccinated simply because there are many more vaccinated people now than there were several months ago.

This is one of those weird times where a Democrat (Latrin) is saying something that goes completely against the preferred Democrat narrative (vaccines are great and if you question them you are the devil) and I am the one defending vaccines yet you and Ashliana are so primitive in your tribal thinking that you automatically take the side of the Democrat, even though they are spouting shit that goes counter to the preferred Democrat narrative.

Amazing. Everything you just said is wrong.

I am arguing that since the vaccine isn't 100% effective, we need to vaccinate everyone. Viz:
"I didn't evade polio because I was vaccinated.
I evaded polio because ALL OF US were vaccinated."

I am not arguing anything about the decreased vaccine efficiency, I am merely relaying the facts that incontrovertibly prove it - that the vaccinated population has grown 2x since April is obviously immaterial when vaccinated deaths have grown 16x in that time, because 16 is a number that's a much bigger number than the number 2.

I am not a Democrat, I am a Republican.

You are not defending vaccines, you are reflexively disagreeing with something I said, a reflex that has been drilled into you by the people in charge of you. They know I'm right... h#ck, even you know I'm right, and you even know that the nation will eventually agree that I'm right! But if you are as petulant and loud as possible, you can delay that begrudging realization and the work that comes with it a little while, and because you are trained to do that, you do.

[Tgo01]

I am arguing that since the vaccine isn't 100% effective, we need to vaccinate everyone.

Why are you such a liar face?


We are not going to reimplement lockdown protocols until it's far too late.
We could, but we won't.

We are going to stand around watching as our numbers see the same explosive growth as the UK's.

[Latrinsorm]

It's odd... why aren't there daily briefings about Operation Warp Speed II, to increase the efficacy and develop a more robust vaccine... like was done with the initial strain?

Oh wait, silly question...

It's odd... why isn't there more information dissemination with regards to therapeutics, lifestyle changes, focus on underlying conditions and the elderly like there was under the previous administration?

Oh wait, silly question...

Etc., etc., etc.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-from-covid-by-age-us/

Since tracking started: Under 50 total deaths - 30,000. Over 50 total deaths - 580,000 or so. That's almost a two year period.

Tell me again why 3 year old's wearing masks is any type of logical response? I can see if they're going to visit their Grandparents or such. As I've been saying be smart, do what's best for you medically in conjunction with your Doctor's advice (not a politicians), be respectful and mind your surroundings, and most importantly understand who is most at risk and take steps to mitigate when the situation necessitates. Otherwise just live your fucking life.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

Again.. not saying Covid isn't dangerous or precautions shouldn't be taken. I'm saying use some common sense when applying the data and information to your life and particular set of circumstances. The Government should not overreach and create mass hysteria, when they should be focusing guidance and recommendations on the most vulnerable segments of society, and how to mitigate it.

In 2020 alone - Flu/Pneumonia killed 50,000 people. That's more than Covid in 2019-2020 combined for those under 50. There is no Government/Media uproar over "GO GET YOUR FLU VACCINE! YOU'RE KILLING PEOPLE!!!!" hysteria. Ask yourself why. All I'm saying.

There have never been daily briefings on scientific progress because that would be a waste of time.

This President isn't advocating useless and dangerous therapeutics because he's not an airhead.

Three year olds wearing masks is logical because their likelihood to die from a virus is not correlated with their likelihood to spread a virus.

The flu did not kill 50,000 Americans in 2020. The CDC reports numbers not annually but seasonally, and in the 2019-2020 season it killed 22,000, while in the 2020-2021 season it killed 3,000. Pneumonia numbers on the other hand were way up, because pneumonia is one of the results of COVID.

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I would ask myself why you keep repeating these embarrassingly worn out lies, but I already know the answer.

[Shaps]

There have never been daily briefings on scientific progress because that would be a waste of time.

This President isn't advocating useless and dangerous therapeutics because he's not an airhead.

Three year olds wearing masks is logical because their likelihood to die from a virus is not correlated with their likelihood to spread a virus.

The flu did not kill 50,000 Americans in 2020. The CDC reports numbers not annually but seasonally, and in the 2019-2020 season it killed 22,000, while in the 2020-2021 season it killed 3,000. Pneumonia numbers on the other hand were way up, because pneumonia is one of the results of COVID.

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I would ask myself why you keep repeating these embarrassingly worn out lies, but I already know the answer.

1 - I linked the CDCs own information. So if you disagree with me citing their numbers, that's on you.

2 - When the last administration was developing the vaccine, there were almost daily briefs on measures being taken to expedite the process and distribution. If you don't remember that, that's on you.

3 - I said be smart and allow your individual situation dictate safety measures. I said be careful. Mass masking for young children who are not around the elderly is asinine.

You can live in fear and wrap yourself in bubble-wrap if you want. That is your right. Others can make their own decisions. Roughly 40,000 died in traffic fatalities last year. Maybe you shouldn't drive. Etc. etc.

Why you think mandates are better than providing information, and allowing people to conduct their own risk mitigation measures to ensure their safety is beyond my comprehension.

Want to get the Vax, not leave your home, wear 8 masks, scrub your hands in bleach, and then preach to others? That's your right too I suppose.

[Bryce]

To be fair and not take sides on this debate, I would not be debating numbers taken from the CDC. They are less trustworthy than Bernie Madoff.

[Shaps]

To be fair and not take sides on this debate, I would not be debating numbers taken from the CDC. They are less trustworthy than Bernie Madoff.

Lol. Just using what's available/provided. I get your drift though.

[Methais]

Amazing. Everything you just said is wrong.

I am arguing that since the vaccine isn't 100% effective, we need to vaccinate everyone. Viz:
"I didn't evade polio because I was vaccinated.
I evaded polio because ALL OF US were vaccinated."

I am not arguing anything about the decreased vaccine efficiency, I am merely relaying the facts that incontrovertibly prove it - that the vaccinated population has grown 2x since April is obviously immaterial when vaccinated deaths have grown 16x in that time, because 16 is a number that's a much bigger number than the number 2.

I am not a Democrat, I am a Republican.

You are not defending vaccines, you are reflexively disagreeing with something I said, a reflex that has been drilled into you by the people in charge of you. They know I'm right... h#ck, even you know I'm right, and you even know that the nation will eventually agree that I'm right! But if you are as petulant and loud as possible, you can delay that begrudging realization and the work that comes with it a little while, and because you are trained to do that, you do.

Hey Latrin, what do you think about this?

https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.1002198


Vaccination could prompt the evolution of more virulent pathogens in the following way. It is usually assumed that the primary force preventing the evolutionary emergence of more virulent strains is that they kill their hosts and, therefore, truncate their own infectious periods. If so, keeping hosts alive with vaccines that reduce disease but do not prevent infection, replication, and transmission (so-called “imperfect” vaccines) could allow more virulent strains to circulate.

Do you consider the current vaccines to be "imperfect?"



I am not a Democrat, I am a Republican.

:lol:

I also have some questions about salami and other deli meats. Please PM me.

[Latrinsorm]

1 - I linked the CDCs own information. So if you disagree with me citing their numbers, that's on you.

2 - When the last administration was developing the vaccine, there were almost daily briefs on measures being taken to expedite the process and distribution. If you don't remember that, that's on you.

3 - I said be smart and allow your individual situation dictate safety measures. I said be careful. Mass masking for young children who are not around the elderly is asinine.

You can live in fear and wrap yourself in bubble-wrap if you want. That is your right. Others can make their own decisions. Roughly 40,000 died in traffic fatalities last year. Maybe you shouldn't drive. Etc. etc.

Why you think mandates are better than providing information, and allowing people to conduct their own risk mitigation measures to ensure their safety is beyond my comprehension.

Want to get the Vax, not leave your home, wear 8 masks, scrub your hands in bleach, and then preach to others? That's your right too I suppose.

You linked the CDC's own information for the year...

https://imgur.com/GZPbADS.png

...and because you are incredibly easily manipulated, you actually believed it was 2020!

Oof!

Might want to sit the next few threads out, scooter.

[Latrinsorm]

Hey Latrin, what do you think about this?

i think if you spent a tenth as much of your energy on honest investigation as you do on embarrassingly inept attempts to P0WN people you'd be a lot better off and a LOT happier

[Latrinsorm]

Now, the Biden administration moves to address the rapidly eroding efficacy of individual vaccines.

Unfortunately, the Delta variant and the (inevitable) time decay of vaccination are occurring at very roughly the same time, which could lead some silly people to believe that if we simply administer boosters (to 200,000,000 people) that we can go back to pretending that for any one who gets vaccinated nothing else matters, that one can do whatever they want with no comeuppance.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3o6MbnB9oAmfEwHaPm/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611f5c64157da7d19f6399729673d3c 280a8251af14&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

But while the vaccinated will enjoy higher protection with a booster, it will not be higher enough to bring us back to the days when 99.9% of deaths were among the unvaccinated.

And we know this.

We know this for a fact.

Because the whole point of starting boosters in September and not October or August is that the CDC has determined they are required after about eight months.

And we know that the surge in vaccinated deaths in the former United Kingdom was in full sway by June 7th (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/993879/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_15.pdf) , which is precisely when the Delta variant became dominant (95%+) in the UK and precisely NOT eight months after their first vaccinations, which were in late December, which is six months earlier.

I know some of my dear readers struggle with arithmetic, so here's a graphical example of 6 compared to 8.

https://imgur.com/JG1Ju9x.png

They're not the same! They're not, the same.

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Again! A booster shot will legitimately help any given vaccinated person, which is why they will be approved by the FDA, and should be!

And giving a booster shot to literally every vaccinated person will cumulatively have the effect of throwing a tennis ball at the locomotive that is our summer surge, which by the time we get the boosters out will be compounded by our fall surge, which by the time we figure out 'golly gee whiz something's really gol durn wrong here' will be compounded by our winter surge.

Our only way to stop this winter from being worse than last winter (and that's a lowball estimate) is for us to focus our resources exclusively on where they will do much greater collective good - by forcing the unvaccinated to be vaccinated, in accordance with century old laws and caselaw.

We actually do have to choose.
We actually do have a finite supply.
We actually do have a finite distribution apparatus.
At our absolute best we were doing 3.3m shots a day.
Even at 4m a day, it will take until October to get all the vaccinated a booster.

Or

We could reach 80% of the country vaccinated in two weeks,
and we could take the remaining 20% of the country who cannot be vaccinated and not force them to congregate in enclosed spaces (i.e. schools) because 'wE HaVe To LiVe oUr LIvEs' (i.e. laziness and spite).

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And, of course, we already know how smart we'll be for choosing the former path and wondering how, jeez oh Pete gol-lee, how did we explode right past 1,000 daily deaths again? And 2,000? And 3,000?

It'll be a real headscratcher.

[Shaps]

/Yawn.. sorry Latrin.. just for you douchebag.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7014e1-H.pdf

Doesn't change the numbers of Covid deaths I listed, or their breakdown.

Want to know what all the hysteria is about?

Age group, yrs
<1 19,146 (506.0) 43 (1.1)
1–4 3,469 (22.2) 24 (0.2)
5–14 5,556 (13.6) 67 (0.2)
15–24 35,470 (83.2) 587 (1.4)
25–34 72,678 (157.9) 2,527 (5.5)
35–44 103,389 (246.2) 6,617 (15.8)

Total "Covid Deaths" under 44: 9,865

Tell me again why the prime working age adults and children are so fearful? You can keep being a sheep though /shrug.

[Neveragain]

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This
means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent;
should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without
the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching,
or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient
knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved
as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This
latter element requires that before the acceptance of an affirmative decision
by the experimental subject there should be made known to him the nature,
duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is
to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected;
and the effects upon his health or person which may possibly come from his
participation in the experiment.


Recognize this, Latrin?

[Methais]

i think if you spent a tenth as much of your energy on honest investigation as you do on embarrassingly inept attempts to P0WN people you'd be a lot better off and a LOT happier

So do you consider the current vaccines "imperfect" or not?


Vaccination could prompt the evolution of more virulent pathogens in the following way. It is usually assumed that the primary force preventing the evolutionary emergence of more virulent strains is that they kill their hosts and, therefore, truncate their own infectious periods. If so, keeping hosts alive with vaccines that reduce disease but do not prevent infection, replication, and transmission (so-called “imperfect” vaccines) could allow more virulent strains to circulate.

[Neveragain]

Meanwhile in France, 6 months in prison for patrons without a vaccine, 1 year in prison for business owners that allow the unvaccinated.

How many years in prison for the French leaders that decided to help build the Chinese bio-weapons lab in Wuhan, Latrin?

[Latrinsorm]

/Yawn.. sorry Latrin.. just for you douchebag.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/pdfs/mm7014e1-H.pdf

Doesn't change the numbers of Covid deaths I listed, or their breakdown.

Want to know what all the hysteria is about?

Age group, yrs
<1 19,146 (506.0) 43 (1.1)
1–4 3,469 (22.2) 24 (0.2)
5–14 5,556 (13.6) 67 (0.2)
15–24 35,470 (83.2) 587 (1.4)
25–34 72,678 (157.9) 2,527 (5.5)
35–44 103,389 (246.2) 6,617 (15.8)

Total "Covid Deaths" under 44: 9,865

Tell me again why the prime working age adults and children are so fearful? You can keep being a sheep though /shrug.

In general when someone's loved ones are threatened with severe harm or death, that someone will act so as to prevent that outcome. You can see this in very dramatic ways; for example, a soldier jumping on a live grenade to save his comrades, or a mother pushing her children out of the way of a bus and taking the hit herself. You can also see it in very simple (which is not to say less effective) ways; for example, a father buckling his children's seat belts, or a child wearing a mask to mitigate the spread of an historically lethal pandemic - that these actors will not benefit personally from their acts is irrelevant, they are not confused or bamboozled in some way, they genuinely want to protect the people they love even if it very mildly inconveniences them. More rarely you can see people behave in this fashion even when no one they know personally is at high risk (including themselves). You have adopted two premises - one that children do not often die of COVID, and two that if someone doesn't benefit personally from an act there is no reason for them to do it, and from these two premises you have logically concluded that children have no reason to slow the spread of COVID. This conclusion is logically valid and the first premise is true... but that second one? Oof! Gonna have to take that one back to the ol' drawing board.

But none of this will matter to you. You are too eager for people to tell you how smart you are, ironically making you comically easy prey for them to shove whatever they like down your throat for you to vomit up on command. Whether it be a completely ridiculous claim about flu deaths that you have hastily backpedaled away from, a farcical demand for daily press briefings on booster development that didn't last a week before being unequivocally proven nonsensical, or any of the other absurdities you peddle, as long as the people controlling you commend your independence of thought and logical nature you'll blithely regurgitate whatever they tell you to.

[Neveragain]

In general when someone's loved ones are threatened with severe harm or death, that someone will act so as to prevent that outcome. You can see this in very dramatic ways; for example, a soldier jumping on a live grenade to save his comrades, or a mother pushing her children out of the way of a bus and taking the hit herself. You can also see it in very simple (which is not to say less effective) ways; for example, a father buckling his children's seat belts, or a child wearing a mask to mitigate the spread of an historically lethal pandemic - that these actors will not benefit personally from their acts is irrelevant, they are not confused or bamboozled in some way, they genuinely want to protect the people they love even if it very mildly inconveniences them. More rarely you can see people behave in this fashion even when no one they know personally is at high risk (including themselves). You have adopted two premises - one that children do not often die of COVID, and two that if someone doesn't benefit personally from an act there is no reason for them to do it, and from these two premises you have logically concluded that children have no reason to slow the spread of COVID. This conclusion is logically valid and the first premise is true... but that second one? Oof! Gonna have to take that one back to the ol' drawing board.

But none of this will matter to you. You are too eager for people to tell you how smart you are, ironically making you comically easy prey for them to shove whatever they like down your throat for you to vomit up on command. Whether it be a completely ridiculous claim about flu deaths that you have hastily backpedaled away from, a farcical demand for daily press briefings on booster development that didn't last a week before being unequivocally proven nonsensical, or any of the other absurdities you peddle, as long as the people controlling you commend your independence of thought and logical nature you'll blithely regurgitate whatever they tell you to.

How many years in jail are you proposing if a person goes to a Nickelback concert without a vaccination?

[Shaps]

In general when someone's loved ones are threatened with severe harm or death, that someone will act so as to prevent that outcome. You can see this in very dramatic ways; for example, a soldier jumping on a live grenade to save his comrades, or a mother pushing her children out of the way of a bus and taking the hit herself. You can also see it in very simple (which is not to say less effective) ways; for example, a father buckling his children's seat belts, or a child wearing a mask to mitigate the spread of an historically lethal pandemic - that these actors will not benefit personally from their acts is irrelevant, they are not confused or bamboozled in some way, they genuinely want to protect the people they love even if it very mildly inconveniences them. More rarely you can see people behave in this fashion even when no one they know personally is at high risk (including themselves). You have adopted two premises - one that children do not often die of COVID, and two that if someone doesn't benefit personally from an act there is no reason for them to do it, and from these two premises you have logically concluded that children have no reason to slow the spread of COVID. This conclusion is logically valid and the first premise is true... but that second one? Oof! Gonna have to take that one back to the ol' drawing board.

But none of this will matter to you. You are too eager for people to tell you how smart you are, ironically making you comically easy prey for them to shove whatever they like down your throat for you to vomit up on command. Whether it be a completely ridiculous claim about flu deaths that you have hastily backpedaled away from, a farcical demand for daily press briefings on booster development that didn't last a week before being unequivocally proven nonsensical, or any of the other absurdities you peddle, as long as the people controlling you commend your independence of thought and logical nature you'll blithely regurgitate whatever they tell you to.

I'm not backing away from anything, nor am I "eager for people to tell me how smart I am"... I am linking official data from the same Government that is telling people that their rights will be taken away, based upon a medical condition that is occurring.

The number of flu-pneumonia deaths are accurate, per the CDC. The number of covid deaths are accurate, per the CDC. If prior to Covid, the US Government had told the Nation that their rights would be taken away, and no one could leave their house or participate in society, because the flu was killing to many people per season... do you really think people would stand for it?

Stop being a jackass, and understand what is occurring. I've never said don't take precautions based upon your surroundings. I've never said don't get vaccinated. I've never said Covid isn't a real thing.

I've only said, it's not the governments place to take away a persons rights because of Covid - as they are doing. I've only said, per the data provided, that the fear that our elected officials and others instill in the populous is only for control, not the health and well-being of it's citizens.

If you have a problem with that, then you are part of the problem.

Go live in fear and allow yourself to be dictated to. Just don't tell others they should also.

[Neveragain]

Latrin on people not getting vaccinated:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Tc9hN9Qq9s

[Tgo01]

I'm just curious if people like Latrin are going to wear masks, social distance, and avoid crowded areas for the rest of their lives. Because you know even the common cold can kill someone, you want to save lives by not passing on deadly diseases right?

[Methais]

I'm just curious if people like Latrin are going to wear masks, social distance, and avoid crowded areas for the rest of their lives. Because you know even the common cold can kill someone, you want to save lives by not passing on deadly diseases right?

Latrin wears a mask in the shower while at home by himself.

[Candor]

I just want to encourage anyone who is not vaccinated to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical reason for not getting it.

It is my understanding that the Pfizer vaccine is close to full approval - it may happen this week. You might consider this vaccine as your best option.

[Latrinsorm]

I'm not backing away from anything, nor am I "eager for people to tell me how smart I am"... I am linking official data from the same Government that is telling people that their rights will be taken away, based upon a medical condition that is occurring.

The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero.

You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.

And in the end, of course, your smug stupidity is irrelevant. Enough people will accede to the obvious truth eventually, and no matter how shrill your whining we'll move forward.

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But what's really sad is in another seventy years or so, people afflicted by the same stupid smugness will accept without question the wholly precedented and coherent government action you're told to find so egregious here (which you slavishly do), and will nevertheless throw stamping tantrums about some other rudimentary commonsense government action... because they're told to, and people like you will always unquestioningly do what you're told, no matter how embarrassing it is for everyone watching.

Oh well.

[Shaps]

The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero.

You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.

And in the end, of course, your smug stupidity is irrelevant. Enough people will accede to the obvious truth eventually, and no matter how shrill your whining we'll move forward.

.

But what's really sad is in another seventy years or so, people afflicted by the same stupid smugness will accept without question the wholly precedented and coherent government action you're told to find so egregious here (which you slavishly do), and will nevertheless throw stamping tantrums about some other rudimentary commonsense government action... because they're told to, and people like you will always unquestioningly do what you're told, no matter how embarrassing it is for everyone watching.

Oh well.

I'm going to show you what the "leaders" you follow and parrot their talking points actually think of idiots like you....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF3KB0MA_HA

That's what they're doing, while telling dumbasses like you to hide in your house. While they tell you that not wearing a mask is "killing your neighbor". While they tell you that you could face penalties, fines, or loss of your freedoms.

Watch that and just shut the fuck up.

How much of an idiot can you be? I've just provided you with another example of what the "elite" and our "leaders" think of Covid, gatherings, masking... and the dumb, ignorant followers such as yourself.

While they tell you, you can't go see your family... they hold events like the one posted above. Because they know dumbasses like you are so fucking indoctrinated, you'll freely give over your rights... to them.

Just shut the fuck up already. Jackasses who think like you really are the downfall of society.

P.S. - Be sure to note how the "hired help" are all wearing masks, while the "elite" sit around shoulder to shoulder without them.

If you think "people like me will always unquestioningly do what you're told"... you're more of an idiot than I thought. I feel embarrassed for you. Stop projecting your subservient nature onto others. If you want to live your life with someone else telling you what to do, by all means do it. Maybe you live that way, there are plenty that don't.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/border-patrol-warn-morale-collapse-100100210.html

Here's another one to show how your "leaders" care about Covid.. and I mean care sarcastically.

"Over the past 18 months, 37 CBP employees have died as a result of contracting the coronavirus, and more than 10,000 have tested positive. This is not being treated like a medical emergency,” the same former agent said in a phone call. “These guys feel abandoned by CBP and DHS and the administration. Nobody’s coming to rescue them.”

By the way.. this "caring" administration just puts Covid positive illegal aliens on busses, and drops them off in city centers all around the Nation.

You think they care about Covid? Or care more about controlling dumbasses like you and retaining power?

Take your bullshit someplace else.

How this shit doesn't piss you off, and you keep saying the shit you do, is astounding. It's like they've removed your critical thinking ability and replaced it with a regurgitating shit receptacle.

[Shaps]

In before you go off on some "illegal migration" doesn't contribute blah blah blah nonsense. I'll just give you facts/numbers:

https://www.ice.gov/coronavirus

From the ICE tracker.

Total Tested: 294k
Total Covid Positive: 26k

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-incubation-period#1

How contagious it is.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vs-flu-social-distancing-infections-spread-explainer-video-2020-3

Study on how 1 infected can spread it.

Now here is where it requires you to critically think - I know you'll "blah blah blah" something negative - but try to think about the situation.

People illegally crossing tend to be in unsanitary conditions, exposed elements, diverse size groups with constant inter-mingling, little to no hygiene products, etc.

They are then (if caught) housed in tight living spaces with 100s or 1000s of others, as the documentation and testing process takes place. And before you say, "but they test all of them!! there is no way they could spread it!!"... I'll even link the left leaning, fact checking, Snopes take on this... https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-immigrants-covid19-surge/ - Snopes says "mainly no", but that's because they're full of shit and to cover their ass had to actually put this at the end:

"What's Undetermined: It is difficult to determine the exact numbers of migrants released without COVID-19 tests or vaccinations."

Because they don't have numbers, but they're full of shit - like you - and try to spin it.

Here's another perspective on the situation - https://www.yahoo.com/now/border-patrol-not-testing-migrants-192500361.html . Take it for what you will.

Now put on your thinking hat... some more numbers... Total encounters at the border from JAN-AUG 2021: 1.1+ MILLION. Now this is going to blow your mind... I know...

ICE total tested: 295k
ICE Covid Positive: 26k
ICE total encounters at border: 1.1+ MILLION

That means they didn't test over 800k people that they have encountered at the Border. Let's extrapolate it out a little.. if 295k results in 26k (close enough to 10% we'll call it 10%)... then 800k untested turns out to about 80k positive.

Now based upon the spreading models - 1 infected affects approximately between 6-8 others - that means of those encountered at the border potentially resulted in 500k-1m other infected - which in turn those infected then spread to 6-8 others potentially and BOOM!

I know you'll say "that's crazy! or that's nuts!"... No, it's not... I'm using basic math and predictive models based on all the data that the Government makes available.

But how do you ensure that it's not really noticed... why you ship the potential infected to different locations all across the country so the numbers are diluted across larger regions.

Just a thought.

We're not even going to try to count the number that ICE has no idea about. That's a whole other matter.

And no... I'm not saying it's the reason for the increase, but the numbers and science don't lie... it is a contributing factor.

[Neveragain]

The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero.

You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.

And in the end, of course, your smug stupidity is irrelevant. Enough people will accede to the obvious truth eventually, and no matter how shrill your whining we'll move forward.

.

But what's really sad is in another seventy years or so, people afflicted by the same stupid smugness will accept without question the wholly precedented and coherent government action you're told to find so egregious here (which you slavishly do), and will nevertheless throw stamping tantrums about some other rudimentary commonsense government action... because they're told to, and people like you will always unquestioningly do what you're told, no matter how embarrassing it is for everyone watching.

Oh well.

How many years in jail are you suggesting for not getting a vaccine that doesn't prevent the spread of the China virus?

How many years in jail for the people that funded and released this manmade virus upon the earths population?

When black people start getting arrested for not taking the vaccine, because of their past experience with the Tuskegee experiment, will you be cheering it on?

[Neveragain]

I just want to encourage anyone who is not vaccinated to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical reason for not getting it.

It is my understanding that the Pfizer vaccine is close to full approval - it may happen this week. You might consider this vaccine as your best option.

Will they be legally liable for any adverse reactions to their product?

Something tells me that they will not be liable. If that is the case, my own personal risk assessment tells me that I'm better of risking the 99% survival rate than risk an adverse reaction and be stuck with 10's of thousands of dollars worth of medical bills.

[Candor]

I just want to encourage anyone who is not vaccinated to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical reason for not getting it.

It is my understanding that the Pfizer vaccine is close to full approval - it may happen this week. You might consider this vaccine as your best option.

The Pfizer vaccine now has full approval. If you didn't get the COV-19 vaccine due to all the options being labeled emergency use only, you now have a good option. What are you waiting for?

[Latrinsorm]

I'm going to show you what the "leaders" you follow and parrot their talking points actually think of idiots like you....

:lol:

There is no ""leader"" whose "talking points" include universal surveillance, banning marijuana, and vaccine mandates. You get a lot of mileage out of your independent thinker shtick because society accommodates you, so once you run into an actual independent thinker your only fall back is this crybaby routine, as if I have ever or would ever give a d*rn what Nancy Pelosi had to say about anything.

It's hard to watch.

But it was entirely predictable; viz, "The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero. You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate."

And so you snort, and so you don't look, and so you keep letting them, and so they laugh at you, so hard, so they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.
An actual critical thinker would have confirmed the existence of the law that clearly and unequivocally rules out whatever "rights" you think you're defending in five seconds of Googling.
An actual critical thinker would start wondering why they were perfectly capable of pulling enough data for an hours long screed about ICE but not the one unassailable historical fact that would completely implode their case.
But you're not.
And you know it.
So you went with impotent rage instead.

Don't be mad at me for pointing out how completely you've been suckered by these scumbags.
Don't be mad at yourself for being so unbelievably gullible.
Don't even be mad at them for bamboozling you so effortlessly.

Mad isn't working for you.

Try taking a breath and taking a look at what they don't want you to see.

[Neveragain]

:lol:

There is no ""leader"" whose "talking points" include universal surveillance, banning marijuana, and vaccine mandates. You get a lot of mileage out of your independent thinker shtick because society accommodates you, so once you run into an actual independent thinker your only fall back is this crybaby routine, as if I have ever or would ever give a d*rn what Nancy Pelosi had to say about anything.

It's hard to watch.

But it was entirely predictable; viz, "The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero. You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate."

And so you snort, and so you don't look, and so you keep letting them, and so they laugh at you, so hard, so they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.
An actual critical thinker would have confirmed the existence of the law that clearly and unequivocally rules out whatever "rights" you think you're defending in five seconds of Googling.
An actual critical thinker would start wondering why they were perfectly capable of pulling enough data for an hours long screed about ICE but not the one unassailable historical fact that would completely implode their case.
But you're not.
And you know it.
So you went with impotent rage instead.

Don't be mad at me for pointing out how completely you've been suckered by these scumbags.
Don't be mad at yourself for being so unbelievably gullible.
Don't even be mad at them for bamboozling you so effortlessly.

Mad isn't working for you.

Try taking a breath and taking a look at what they don't want you to see.

I want to see what happens the first time "authorities" burn a black families home to the ground because they didn't get the vaccine.

[Shaps]

:lol:

There is no ""leader"" whose "talking points" include universal surveillance, banning marijuana, and vaccine mandates. You get a lot of mileage out of your independent thinker shtick because society accommodates you, so once you run into an actual independent thinker your only fall back is this crybaby routine, as if I have ever or would ever give a d*rn what Nancy Pelosi had to say about anything.

It's hard to watch.

But it was entirely predictable; viz, "The law that allows the government to literally throw you in jail and literally burn everything you own to ash to prevent the spread of disease has been on the books for over seventy years. Seventy. Seven zero. You snort at this - it's impossible! They wouldn't dare! You're FREE! Freedom! Rights! Everyone ELSE is scared sheep! And so you never look at those actual laws to confirm or deny either way, and so you keep letting these people lead you around by the nose because "rights will be taken away", all the while laughing so hard they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate."

And so you snort, and so you don't look, and so you keep letting them, and so they laugh at you, so hard, so they drool on themselves at how easy you are to manipulate.
An actual critical thinker would have confirmed the existence of the law that clearly and unequivocally rules out whatever "rights" you think you're defending in five seconds of Googling.
An actual critical thinker would start wondering why they were perfectly capable of pulling enough data for an hours long screed about ICE but not the one unassailable historical fact that would completely implode their case.
But you're not.
And you know it.
So you went with impotent rage instead.

Don't be mad at me for pointing out how completely you've been suckered by these scumbags.
Don't be mad at yourself for being so unbelievably gullible.
Don't even be mad at them for bamboozling you so effortlessly.

Mad isn't working for you.

Try taking a breath and taking a look at what they don't want you to see.

You literally make no sense.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/25/1030949428/delta-covid-unvaccinated-employees-monthly-charge-200-dollars

If they can do this for this situation, they will do it for others in the future.

Those with Aids - should not be allowed to work outside the home.
Those with any STD - can no longer have sex with anyone, whatsoever, because there is always a 1% chance or more of passing it along regardless of the measures.
Those who don't get the flu vaccine every year can no longer work.
Those with any other affliction should not be allowed blah blah blah.

Don't be mad at me for pointing out what a jackass you are.
Don't be mad at yourself for being such a jackass.
Don't even be mad at them for making you look like an ignorant jackass.

Try taking a breath and taking a look at what you are to stupid to see.



See what I did there?

[Latrinsorm]

You literally make no sense.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/25/1030949428/delta-covid-unvaccinated-employees-monthly-charge-200-dollars

If they can do this for this situation, they will do it for others in the future.

Of course it doesn't make sense to you, because you're presuming that before now they couldn't do this for all values of "this".
And once again, you're making a pres out of u and me.

I see you repeatedly failing to expend the slightest energy on examining your premises.
More importantly, the people who benefit from your failure see it.
And count on it.
Because you will never, ever, put them to the test.
So they will never, ever, stop exploiting you.

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This is the part where you petulantly and hilariously scream about Nancy g*sh d*rn Pelosi or whomever again, instead of spending five seconds on the Google.
You could extremely easily learn about the difference between what you imagine laws say and what they've actually said for seventy years.
But you won't.

Because you're too chicken.

.

You could prove me wrong in LITERALLY FIVE SECONDS! You could dig up the seventy year old law and say 'no! it doesn't say that!'

But you can't even bring yourself to try.

Because you know what the answer is.

How boring.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPK1fwJ_WwE

Australia. Latrin's premier example of how a country and it's citizens should succumb to tyranny.

Note the Police Chiefs comment... "people outside of their home without a reasonable excuse". As if you need an excuse to leave your own house. It's called being a human being. This isn't the fucking zombie apocalypse, though they are definitely trying to make it out to be.

Fucking sheep. This will not end well if governments keep doing things like this.

[drumpel]

I'll just leave this here:

https://unherd.com/thepost/bombshell-study-finds-natural-immunity-superior-to-vaccination/

[Caleb Delashow]

I'll just leave this here:

https://healthplan.co.uk/

Thanks for sharing. Quite a useful portal!

[Nieninque]

Thanks for sharing. Quite a useful article!

Only if you print it out a few times and wipe your arse with it.