GMs planning to nerf 304 to make proposed 330 service better

[Tgo01]

This is actually happening on Discord right now. Apparently Estild is concerned with the proposed changes because he doesn't want "bots" to be able to cast 1604 + 304 to give a previously unblessable weapon "1,300" swings of bless:

Estild:


One last concern I have with update is spell bots. We're currently planning to allow every weapon to be temporarily blessed, but with that, I'm not a fan of trivializing it with spell not that uses 1604 + 304 script to grant something like 1,300 swings. Ideas?

Unless they are planning on increasing the cap on the number of blesses (which I didn't see anything about in the proposed blessing changes but to be fair I might have missed it) the current cap is 998 so I don't understand the problem here.

Here is what Estild is considering so far:


Yeah, considering a cooldown, but also don't want to cause an issue if you're in a group and needing to bless a few weapons at a time, like in Reim. But not sure how often multiple characters actually run out of a bless in the same window of a few minutes.

So 304 would have a cooldown so these mega bot teams can't run around blessing everything in sight and completely trivializing the new perma-bless feature of the proposed 330 service.

Here's a crazy idea.........................................why not just make the 330 service better so people would opt to get 330 on their weapon instead of just having their weapon blessed via 304?

I mean...am I the crazy one here?

Let's release a new service! But people might not like the new service considering the options they currently have...hmmm....let's nerf the current options!!!

[Methais]

This is actually happening on Discord right now. Apparently Estild is concerned with the proposed changes because he doesn't want "bots" to be able to cast 1604 + 304 to give a previously unblessable weapon "1,300" swings of bless:

Estild:



Unless they are planning on increasing the cap on the number of blesses (which I didn't see anything about in the proposed blessing changes but to be fair I might have missed it) the current cap is 998 so I don't understand the problem here.

Here is what Estild is considering so far:



So 304 would have a cooldown so these mega bot teams can't run around blessing everything in sight and completely trivializing the new perma-bless feature of the proposed 330 service.

Here's a crazy idea.........................................why not just make the 330 service better so people would opt to get 330 on their weapon instead of just having their weapon blessed via 304?

I mean...am I the crazy one here?

Let's release a new service! But people might not like the new service considering the options they currently have...hmmm....let's nerf the current options!!!

lol @ Simu giving a fuck about weapons being blessed in the year 2021 as if it's a fucking issue in the first place.

Make every weapon in the game permablessed and it still won't matter.

One step forward, 30 steps back like usual.

Estild is a fucking retard. :lol:

[rolfard]

lol @ Simu giving a fuck about weapons being blessed in the year 2021 as if it's a fucking issue in the first place.

Make every weapon in the game permablessed and it still won't matter.

One step forward, 30 steps back like usual.

Estild is a fucking retard. :lol:

Doesn't the bless update include all undead being hit by non-blessed weapons with a slight negative modifier? Doesn't that further trivialitize bless?

[Tgo01]

Doesn't the bless update include all undead being hit by non-blessed weapons with a slight negative modifier? Doesn't that further trivialitize bless?

Yup. The proposed changes as of right now gives undead a natural 25% resistance against physical attacks and if they are hit with a blessed weapon the resistance is removed.

[Methais]

Yup. The proposed changes as of right now gives undead a natural 25% resistance against physical attacks and if they are hit with a blessed weapon the resistance is removed.

Estild: Let's trivialize Bless.

Also Estild: We should nerf Bless so it doesn't get trivialized.



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[Tgo01]

Estild: Let's trivialize Bless.

Also Estild: We should nerf Bless so it doesn't get trivialized.



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Yeah I'm really baffled by his concerns here. People will be able to bless weapons...ohhhh nooooooooo. Like that hasn't been a thing for decades already.

I get that now all weapons will be blessable, whereas before you pretty much had to carry around an inferior weapon that could be blessed whenever you wanted to kill undead...but like...people were still getting their weapons blessed....but now they'll apparently be creating bots (on two different accounts no less) in order to keep every single weapon in the game permanently blessed.

[Methais]

Yeah I'm really baffled by his concerns here. People will be able to bless weapons...ohhhh nooooooooo. Like that hasn't been a thing for decades already.

I get that now all weapons will be blessable, whereas before you pretty much had to carry around an inferior weapon that could be blessed whenever you wanted to kill undead...but like...people were still getting their weapons blessed....but now they'll apparently be creating bots (on two different accounts no less) in order to keep every single weapon in the game permanently blessed.

I think Estild is full of shit about bot blesses tbh.

Even if he's not, that's a massively retarded reason to nerf it.

I seriously had no idea anyone gave a fuck about blessing weapons anymore, and by anymore I mean since the late 90s, as it's already been trivialized for decades, then trivialized even more with allowing weighted weapons to be blessed, now they're going all out not even requiring bless to hit undead, all while feigning concern over it being trivialized...by bots? :lol:

Estild is either an incompetent game designer or an incompetent liar.

[SonoftheNorth]

Apparently Estild is concerned with the proposed changes because he doesn't want "bots" to be able to cast 1604 + 304 to give a previously unblessable weapon "1,300" swings of bless:



At least he has his priorities straight. Villorn has 990,138,127 fame.

[Tgo01]

At least he has his priorities straight. Villorn has 990,138,127 fame.

I can just imagine the reports coming through for the GMs.

"I think someone is afk script hunting here!"

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"This guy just cast 304."

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[Orthin]

once my dude can bless his own bow from voln 304 won't matter too much to me unless they are scrapping voln bless

[Tgo01]

once my dude can bless his own bow from voln 304 won't matter too much to me unless they are scrapping voln bless

Estild just posted this:


We are also worried about Voln bot so we are scrapping Voln bless.

I tease!

[Fortybox]

At least he has his priorities straight. Villorn has 990,138,127 fame.

AFK is ok if you pay Simu $$$.

Pay Estild $$$ and he will no longer care about 304 and 330 anymore.

[Alastir]

I pointed out several times that if you're worried about 304 trivializing 330, then 330 is the problem and needs to be better. It's just not getting through to some of the people on discord who are adamant about 304 being nerfed.

[caelric]

I pointed out several times that if you're worried about 304 trivializing 330, then 330 is the problem and needs to be better. It's just not getting through to some of the people on discord who are adamant about 304 being nerfed.

The sycophants on discord are kind of pitiful.

[Neveragain]

The sycophants on discord are kind of pitiful.

The main reason I ever showed up for merchants was to watch the groveling and pickpocketing. I even got to have a GM to answer a report for me pickpocketing at an event, it was pretty awesome.

[Fortybox]

The sycophants on discord are kind of pitiful.

Wyrom could take a major dump, wrap it up in tinfoil, and sell it at HESS and people will be like THIS IS THE BEST ITEM EVER.

Discord is nothing more than an echo chamber.

[gilchristr]

What does the dump do???

[Tgo01]

What does the dump do???

+1 Influence

[Tgo01]

Estild:


It very well could be that all the enhancements to 304 are reserved if the cleric who blesses your armament is in your group and otherwise, the spell continues to work like it does now. I hate to do that, but I also refuse to buff spell bots more.

lol

330 is apparently so bad that their intended changes for 304 is only going to work if the cleric who blessed your weapon is in your group.

Oh wait, it's because of all the paladin + cleric bot groups running around out there. Haven't the GMs sort of lost their moral high ground when it comes to bots the minute they created the invoker?

[Neveragain]

I hate to do that, but I also refuse to buff spell bots more.

Sounds like he's on a crusade. :shifty eyes:

[Methais]

I pointed out several times that if you're worried about 304 trivializing 330, then 330 is the problem and needs to be better. It's just not getting through to some of the people on discord who are adamant about 304 being nerfed.

The Discord sycophants are A-OK with the game's direction being hyperfocused on mediocrity in their neverending quest to get a GM to pay attention to them in front of other people.

[Methais]

crusade

OMG RACIST!!!!!!!!!!

[Tgo01]

The latest proposal to 304 to ensure 330 is better instead of just making 330 better overall:


Bless charges can be refreshed if the new application has more charges than the item currently possesses.
Subsequent casts will reduce the effective charges granted at a rate of 10% per cast, with a minimum of 10% of the original value, and resets at midnight.

So if I'm reading this right after giving out 304 ten times a cleric's 304 will only give 10% of the swings, effectively making it rather useless.

Oh yeah and they are tossing around the idea of limiting bard loresongs in a similar fashion once bard loresongs permanently unlock songs.

Why do they seem to be in a hurry to fix things that aren't really a problem?

[Tgo01]

A few people on Discord suggested allowing clerics to "earn" blesses by gaining experience. So like every X amount of experience would allow them to cast a fully charged 304 on a weapon.

Makes perfect sense to me.

This was Naijin's response to this perfectly reasonable solution to the supposed bot crises:


Not entirely, we had started with an XP-based thing but some bots hunt in MA groups so it doesn't really solve anything.

People are PLAYING their "bots"? The horror!

I thought the whole point of experience based systems (enchanting, ensorcelling, grit, etc) was so people couldn't just have a wizard that they ignored for an entire month, then logged them on once to spend their 200k accumulated essence, then ignore them again for another month? The solution is that people have to actually play their characters to earn that essence and other assorted service points?

But now apparently it's a bad thing if people are playing their characters to earn spell casts?

I really don't understand Naijin's and Estild's logic and I'm really beginning to wonder why Wyrom is allowing them so much free reign to screw over long standing systems such as bless, loresinging, 1030, and 1035.

[Methais]

Why do they seem to be in a hurry to break things that aren't really a problem?

Fixed.

[Methais]

I really don't understand Naijin's and Estild's logic and I'm really beginning to wonder why Wyrom is allowing them so much free reign to screw over long standing systems such as bless, loresinging, 1030, and 1035.

I'm beginning to wonder what a product manager actually does at all other than allow retards like Estild and Naijin to keep wrecking the game repeatedly.

[SonoftheNorth]

I'm beginning to wonder what a product manager actually does at all other than allow retards like Estild and Naijin to keep wrecking the game repeatedly.

Puts the bagels in the giftbox

[Zosimos Alchemista]

Wait....there are clerics in this game? huh....TIL

[Orthin]

A few people on Discord suggested allowing clerics to "earn" blesses by gaining experience. So like every X amount of experience would allow them to cast a fully charged 304 on a weapon.

Makes perfect sense to me.

This was Naijin's response to this perfectly reasonable solution to the supposed bot crises:



People are PLAYING their "bots"? The horror!

I thought the whole point of experience based systems (enchanting, ensorcelling, grit, etc) was so people couldn't just have a wizard that they ignored for an entire month, then logged them on once to spend their 200k accumulated essence, then ignore them again for another month? The solution is that people have to actually play their characters to earn that essence and other assorted service points?

But now apparently it's a bad thing if people are playing their characters to earn spell casts?

I really don't understand Naijin's and Estild's logic and I'm really beginning to wonder why Wyrom is allowing them so much free reign to screw over long standing systems such as bless, loresinging, 1030, and 1035.

This is a dumb argument IMO from Naijin because all major services are based off learning from XP gain…but for some reason having a bot get a 304 charge is ludicrous but doing it for 925, grit, essence, 735 and presumably 330..is all above board

[Tgo01]

This is a dumb argument IMO from Naijin because all major services are based off learning from XP gain…but for some reason having a bot get a 304 charge is ludicrous but doing it for 925, grit, essence, 735 and presumably 330..is all above board

His comments might be an indication that they want to do away with earning those points via gaining experience too, which would be especially dumb.

Like why is it suddenly a problem that people are playing their characters? This is truly the most bizarre argument I have ever seen from any video game company.

[Orthin]

His comments might be an indication that they want to do away with earning those points via gaining experience too, which would be especially dumb.

Like why is it suddenly a problem that people are playing their characters? This is truly the most bizarre argument I have ever seen from any video game company.

And didn’t they originally do the exp crutch because bots? No matter what they do bots are going to bot.

[Tgo01]

And didn’t they originally do the exp crutch because bots? No matter what they do bots are going to bot.

Bots are legit their boogeymen.

"We have to do this because of bots!"

"Bots are destroying X part of the game! We have to do this to combat bots!"

And why not? Seems the majority of people on Discord fall for it.

[Orthin]

Bots are legit their boogeymen.

"We have to do this because of bots!"

"Bots are destroying X part of the game! We have to do this to combat bots!"

And why not? Seems the majority of people on Discord fall for it.

All this while…Villorn 10B fame and death gloves/boots lol

[Dendum]

A few people on Discord suggested allowing clerics to "earn" blesses by gaining experience. So like every X amount of experience would allow them to cast a fully charged 304 on a weapon.

Makes perfect sense to me.

This was Naijin's response to this perfectly reasonable solution to the supposed bot crises:



People are PLAYING their "bots"? The horror!

I thought the whole point of experience based systems (enchanting, ensorcelling, grit, etc) was so people couldn't just have a wizard that they ignored for an entire month, then logged them on once to spend their 200k accumulated essence, then ignore them again for another month? The solution is that people have to actually play their characters to earn that essence and other assorted service points?

But now apparently it's a bad thing if people are playing their characters to earn spell casts?

I really don't understand Naijin's and Estild's logic and I'm really beginning to wonder why Wyrom is allowing them so much free reign to screw over long standing systems such as bless, loresinging, 1030, and 1035.

Because an exp 304 would Target the wrong people's bots.

[Methais]

His comments might be an indication that they want to do away with earning those points via gaining experience too, which would be especially dumb.

Like why is it suddenly a problem that people are playing their characters? This is truly the most bizarre argument I have ever seen from any video game company.

Remember when bots were just wizards who logged in once in a while to cast 925, then logged out again, and Estild was like "We can't have that. They need to hunt for it now."?

Now hunting for it is being a bot according to Naijin.

I'm beginning to think bots are just anything Simu doesn't like at the time.

[drumpel]

Remember when bots were just wizards who logged in once in a while to cast 925, then logged out again, and Estild was like "We can't have that. They need to hunt for it now."?

Now hunting for it is being a bot according to Naijin.

I'm beginning to think bots are just anything Simu doesn't like at the time.

Reported for botting on the forums here with your constant replies. Only bots reply this much, therefore you're a bot.

[Methais]

Reported for botting on the forums here with your constant replies. Only bots reply this much, therefore you're a bot.

That's exactly what a bot would say to try and divert attention away from the fact that it's a bot...

[Tgo01]

I'm beginning to think bots are just anything Simu doesn't like at the time.

I think that’s exactly right.

[caelric]

I'm beginning to think bots are just anything some particular GM doesn't like at the time.

That would be more accurate