so new changes

[beldannon5]

so did they remove other stuff other then wspec? i have 46 cm points

Berserk berserk 6/6 Warrior Guild
Combat Mobility mobility 1/1
Combat Movement cmovement 5/5
Disarm Weapon disarm 3/5 Warrior Guild
Evade Specialization evadespec 1/3
Executioner's Stance executioner 3/3
Feint feint 6/6 Warrior Guild
Parry Specialization parryspec 3/3
Spin Attack sattack 6/6 Warrior Guild
Stance Perfection stance 2/2 Warrior Guild
Surge of Strength surge 5/5
Tackle tackle 1/5 Warrior Guild
Tainted Bond tainted 1/1
Weapon Specialization wspec 5/5

[Tgo01]

Weapon bonding is free now.

[beldannon5]

Weapon bonding is free now.

ahh so that's part of it then :)

[Tgo01]

Also you might as well get rid of the one rank of evade specialization because you can only have either parry, evade, or block specialization and at some point they will remove those skills anyways so you can only have one.

[LOL BRIELUS]

any suggestions for me? so many CM points.

Fropple, your Combat Maneuvers are as follows:

Skill Mnemonic Ranks Category Subcategory
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Acrobat's Leap acrobatsleap 1/1
Berserk berserk 6/6 Warrior Guild
Combat Focus focus 1/5
Combat Mobility mobility 1/1
Combat Toughness toughness 3/3
Disarm Weapon disarm 6/6 Warrior Guild
Feint feint 6/6 Warrior Guild
Parry Specialization parryspec 3/3
Spell Parry sparry 1/1
Spin Attack sattack 6/6 Warrior Guild
Stance Perfection stance 2/2 Warrior Guild
Stance of the Mongoose mongoose 3/3
Surge of Strength surge 4/5
Tackle tackle 6/6 Warrior Guild
Weapon Specialization wspec 3/5

Available Combat Maneuvers Points: 36

[hamsquatch]

I'm not sold on acrobat's leap, for me (1+(20 agi bonus / 10) = 3. 3 - 2 for plate AG = 1 foot of reach for 10 cman points.

I took wspec and focus to 5/5. No cunning defense for you?

[LOL BRIELUS]

i am probably going to roll back acrobats leap. i would have kept if i could reach grimswarm troll heads on ambush but i cant.

[Rinualdo]

I'm not sold on acrobat's leap, for me (1+(20 agi bonus / 10) = 3. 3 - 2 for plate AG = 1 foot of reach for 10 cman points.

I took wspec and focus to 5/5. No cunning defense for you?

You really don't want cdefense as a square.

[Vindicate]

You really don't want cdefense as a square.

No?

[Rinualdo]

No. Dodge is on a diminishing returns thing. You can plug the numbers into a calculator but if you are 2x-3x dodge you're adding somewhere between .5-3% to your SMR defense for those cman points- depending on race and other factors.
CDEF is really designed for pures for generic defense and augmentation to something like disarm.

[Vindicate]

Makes sense. Thanks

[hamsquatch]

No. Dodge is on a diminishing returns thing. You can plug the numbers into a calculator but if you are 2x-3x dodge you're adding somewhere between .5-3% to your SMR defense for those cman points- depending on race and other factors.
CDEF is really designed for pures for generic defense and augmentation to something like disarm.

What level does it stop making sense if training 2x in dodge?

[Rinualdo]

What level does it stop making sense if training 2x in dodge?

2x dodge is fine and 3x once a bunch of other skills are done is fine as well. I wouldn't 3x dodge an 8m rogue, for example, but I would for a 12m monk. It's a secondary redux skill as well.
The phantom ranks from CDEF is just really bad for what you get as a square.

[Rinualdo]

Also, I think the new combat very may be active on test? If so it would be pretty easy to see how your SMR changes with and without CDEF or any other skills.

[Tgo01]

Also, I think the new combat very may be active on test? If so it would be pretty easy to see how your SMR changes with and without CDEF or any other skills.

The COMBAT verb tells you your SMR defense too? That's awesome. When is this verb hitting the main server? What they waiting for?! :O

[Rinualdo]

I assume Naijin has been busy with PSM3 rollout and bug fixes.
The COMBAT verb stuff was still going through some tweaking of layouts and stuff.
Here's two examples he posted to discord.


>combat defNaijin, your defensive stats are as follows:


Standard Maneuver Roll (SMR):
Offensive: 28%
Advance: 28%
Forward: 28%
Neutral: 28%
Guarded: 28%
Defensive: 28%


Note: SMR numbers can vary depending on the level of the attacker, the type of maneuver being used, and various other factors. These numbers should be used as a baseline comparison only.


Unarmed Defense Factor (UDF): 357


Evade, Block, Parry, and Defense Strength (DS):
Melee:
Evade: 72 DS, 14% avoidance
Parry: 50 DS, 0% avoidance
Total: 157 DS, 14% avoidance


Spell:
Evade: 108 DS, 7% avoidance
Parry: 50 DS, 0% avoidance
Total: 193 DS, 7% avoidance


Ranged:
Evade: 108 DS, 7% avoidance
Parry: 50 DS, 0% avoidance
Total: 193 DS, 7% avoidance




Target Defense (TD) and Cast vs. Armor (CvA):
Generic = TD: +300 - CvA: +12 == 288


Elemental = TD: +315 - CvA: +12 == 303
Spiritual = TD: +325 - CvA: +12 == 313
Mental = TD: +335 - CvA: +12 == 323


Ele/Spr = TD: +320 - CvA: +12 == 308
Men/Spr = TD: +330 - CvA: +12 == 318
Men/Ele = TD: +325 - CvA: +12 == 313


Poison = TD: +300 - CvA: +12 == 288
Disease = TD: +300 - CvA: +12 == 288


Note: the final value listed above is your effective TD, which is calculated using your TD and CvA.


>combat defNaijin, your defensive stats are as follows:


Evade, Block, and Parry:
Melee:
Parry: 43 DS, 0% avoidance
Evade: 141 DS, 19% avoidance
Block: 72 DS, 20% avoidance
Total: 311 DS, 35% avoidance


Spell:
Evade: 212 DS, 14% avoidance
Block: 108 DS, 0% avoidance
Total: 375 DS, 14% avoidance


Ranged:
Evade: 212 DS, 14% avoidance
Block: 108 DS, 26% avoidance
Total: 375 DS, 36% avoidance


Redux: 38.34% physical


Cast vs. Armor (CvA): -1


Target Defense (TD):
Generic = TD: +300 - CvA: -1 == 301


Elemental = TD: +315 - CvA: -1 == 316
Spiritual = TD: +324 - CvA: -1 == 325
Mental = TD: +335 - CvA: -1 == 336


Ele/Spr = TD: +320 - CvA: -1 == 321
Men/Spr = TD: +330 - CvA: -1 == 331
Men/Ele = TD: +325 - CvA: -1 == 326


Poison = TD: +300 - CvA: -1 == 301
Disease = TD: +300 - CvA: -1 == 301


Note: the final value listed above is your effective TD, which is calculated using your TD and CvA.