Gary Sheffield... more a man than me.

[Makkah]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/baseball/mlb/04/14/sheffield.fans.ap/index.html?cnn=yes

In the aftermath of the Pacers-Pistons bullshit... I have much respect towards Sheffield for pulling his punches and showing considerable restraint.

[Hulkein]

That article may be jumping to conclusions.

Looked to me the guy was reaching for the ball, not trying to hit Sheff.

PS. I think if Sheff did hit him, and enough of those fans were drunk, he would've gotten rolled. They weren't the dweebs you saw at the Pistons front row basketball game, they were in the cheap seats and probably have a little more experience fighting than the guy who's dad owns courtside tickets. Plus there were more of them.


[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

[Xandalf]

Originally posted by Hulkein
That article may be jumping to conclusions.

Looked to me the guy was reaching for the ball, not trying to hit Sheff.

PS. I think if Sheff did hit him, and enough of those fans were drunk, he would've gotten rolled. They weren't the dweebs you saw at the Pistons front row basketball game, they were in the cheap seats and probably have a little more experience fighting then the guy who's dad owns courtside tickets. Plus there were more of them.

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

They showed the replay dozens of times of ESPN. The guy was not reaching for the ball. First of all the ball was on the ground, rolling. Second of all he didn't even lean down to come anywhere close to the ball. The only thing he was close to was Sheffield's face. Maybe he was drunk, maybe he's just dumb, but that guy was completly at fault.

Well, he and the other Boston fans who sat around screaming obsinities and flipping off the players rather than trying to calm the situation and continue the game.

Because in the end that's all it is. A game

(Much like GS... people tend to forget that)

[Hulkein]

No shit it's the fans fault.... I just didn't know if the guy was swinging at him. Granted I only saw it twice.

[Skirmisher]

That idiot needs to at the least be banned for life from that stadium, and hopefully be charged with some kind of assault charge.

What kind of stupidity level is needed to attack someone unprovoked when you should flat out know that you are on camera when the action is coming to you.

Lets all at least hope he is sterile and unable to further contaminate the gene pool.

[Hulkein]

I hope he has 7 kids and they move next door to you.

I don't know if you've ever been drunk, but you don't necessarily think before you act.

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

[Skirmisher]

Never been drunk enough to attack someone unprovoked, no.

It's no excuse and I am not sure why you felt the need to take a shot at me when I did not say anything to/about you.

Relative of yours perhaps?

[Alfster]

All I can say is when I saw it live it didn't look like the fan was reaching towards sheffield, i thought he was going for the ball.

Either way, the fan was in the wrong and so was Sheffield, in my opinion. I was surprised that he still had the ball when all that shit happened...one would think that he would try and do his job and get rid of the ball before he pushed the fan.

I could be wrong, as I didn't see any replays because I was watching two channels at once and I had ESPN muted and to the left of the movie I was watching.

[Showal]

Let's get this out, first off, I'm a red sox fan. I dont know if anyone's noticed.

<<Looked to me the guy was reaching for the ball, not trying to hit Sheff.>>

He was making a valiant effort at grabbing a ball IN PLAY by not leaning over at all.

Anyone saying that Sheffield overreacted or attacked back at the fan unprovoked is basically saying that Sheffield lied. Do you really think if Sheffield wasnt hit with any sort of force in the jaw he would have reacted the way he had? I dont think Gary Sheffield's the type of guy that's looking for an excuse to attack a Boston fan. Even if the fan completely did it unintentionally, his damned hand should not have entered the field area while the ball was in play. He should not have swiped his hand with any amount of force given Sheffield's face was in contact distance. The guy's a retard. I think honestly he saw an opportunity to swipe at Sheffield and make it look like an accident and he took it. If you watch the footage, some fan threw beer at Shef after it happened as well. And anyone using the excuse that the fan looked "surprised" when Sheffield came after him ... if Gary Sheffield came towards me to push at me, I'd look surprised too regardless of what I did. Also, if the guy did it by accident, why were all the fans around him pointing the guy out to let security know where he was?

I love going to Fenway and I love the people there, but they can act like children. A bad call doesnt mean it's time to throw shit all over the field or grab Paul O'Neill when he makes a play at the wall in right field (anyone remembering the 98 ALCS probably knows what I'm talking about). Sometimes I'll agree with Stanley in saying that all ways in Fenway need to be in proportion to the Green Monster because the fans at Fenway are monsters.

I agree that Sheffield showed some good restraint.

PS Flutie made a great catch.

[Alfster]

Lol, Flutie's catch was great.

[Makkah]

Hittin a little too close to home for Hulkein apparently...

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Originally posted by Hulkein
I hope he has 7 kids and they move next door to you.

I don't know if you've ever been drunk, but you don't necessarily think before you act.

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

Most adults have what I call self-restraint. Since you are just a punk kid that probably explains your lack of maturity. Just as ignorance of the law is no excuse for it, neither is being drunk a qualifier for being an asshole.

[Hulkein]

I just said people (professional journalists) shouldn't jump to conclusions.

He was drunk, he may have been grabbing for the ball. The guy didn't do anything else after the ball was gone.

Sorry I don't hope he is sterilized because of what happened, like Skirm. That must make me a punk.

Good thing they have stiffer drug testing now, otherwise roid rage would've taken over Sheff, that punk.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Sorry I don't hope he is sterilized because of what happened, like Skirm. That must make me a punk.

Good thing they have stiffer drug testing now, otherwise roid rage would've taken over Sheff, that punk.

So it's okay for you to use what appears to be relatively obvious sarcasm in your posts, but my own is addressed as a serious call for forced sterilization?

Perhaps I gave you too much credit if you want to try to use such weak ploys. :rolleyes:

[DeV]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Hulkein
Sorry I don't hope he is sterilized because of what happened, like Skirm. That must make me a punk.

Good thing they have stiffer drug testing now, otherwise roid rage would've taken over Sheff, that punk.

So it's okay for you to use what appears to be relatively obvious sarcasm in your posts, but my own is addressed as a serious call for forced sterilization?

Perhaps I gave you too much credit if you want to try to use such weak ploys. :rolleyes: Seriously. I read it as sarcasm as well.

[Hulkein]

:socool:

I was using your sterilized comment to symbolize the call to hang the guy.

He didn't hit Sheff with a pipe, he didn't pre-meditate it, a drunk fan brushed his face and it may or may not have been done on purpose.

Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

What they don't show on instant replay is the nine or ten cups of stupid liquid he had prior to the incident.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

OJ got off too.

All it shows me is that our justice system is still imperfect.

Call me crazy, but if even ONE percent of a packed 55,000 stadium is intoxicated, chances are that the thought processes, "Well, I better not take this action because of its legal repercussions," will probably not occur in each one of those 550 individuals.

A safer, and still very much economic solution to the riddle would be to just market beer with a lower alcohol concentration that is designed specifically for major league stadiums.

If someone really wants to go to a family event to get shitfaced over brew and all that a piss poor decision as such would entail, at least have the insurance that they'll be bringing in extra money to the park, as well as spending a larger portion of their time in the facilities away from starting trouble.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
OJ got off too.

All it shows me is that our justice system is still imperfect.

No, what it shows is that they obviously didn't believe he was trying to hit Sheffield purposely.

Most people agree.

[Alfster]

Originally posted by Stanley Burrell
A safer, and still very much economic solution to the riddle would be to just market beer with a lower alcohol concentration that is designed specifically for major league stadiums.


Okay Utah!

Seriously, for how much money a single beer is at a baseball game, It'd better not be watered down.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

Just that as inane as they may be you are still entitled to them.

Sheffield is far from my favorite player, but all players should be free of drunken louts taking swings at them.

[Hulkein]

Nah, it says you're overreacting and judgmental, hun.

[Hulkein]

Also, why'd you reply to that sentence with the OJ post, then come back 3 hours later with a different response to the same sentence you already replied to?

Took you that long to come up with something you considered witty and demeaning?

:lol2:


Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

OJ got off too.

All it shows me is that our justice system is still imperfect.


Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by Hulkein
Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

Just that as inane as they may be you are still entitled to them.

Sheffield is far from my favorite player, but all players should be free of drunken louts taking swings at them.

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Also, why'd you reply to that sentence with the OJ post, then come back 3 hours later with a different response to the same sentence you already replied to?

Took you that long to come up with something you considered witty and demeaning?


:lol2:
[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

No sir, you demean yourself often enough without any help from me.

My double posting was simply an error.

[Hulkein]

Yeah, an error three hours later.

You're like George Costanza.

"JERK STORE! I SHOULD'VE SAID JERK STORE!"

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Yeah, an error three hours later.


That is what I said, yes.

Glad to see your powers of comprehension are not totally lost, but simply selectively utilized.

[Brattt8525]

I have to agree that the player was showing great restraint in not hitting the fan.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<You're like George Costanza.

"JERK STORE! I SHOULD'VE SAID JERK STORE!">>

The jerk store called. They're running out of you.

[peam]

Well, I had sex with your wife.

[Hulkein]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
That is what I said, yes.

Glad to see your powers of comprehension are not totally lost, but simply selectively utilized.

It was a sarcastic remark, babe. Talk about comprehension :lol:

PS. His wife's in a coma......

[Latrinsorm]

What do you think he came up with at the end of the show? Where he pulls a u-ie? That's always bothered me!!

[longshot]

I've already spent too much time trying to think of someone that would be worse to provoke in all of baseball,

and I just can't think of anybody.

I forgot the exact quote, but it was said by ESPN Page 2's Bill Simmons.

"Gary Sheffield looks like the last face you would see if youowed a bookie too much money."

I think the drunk guy was going for the ball. I think Sheffield had every right to retaliate. I think that if the Artest melee hadn't happened earlier in the year, he could have killed 10-20 people with his bare hands.

edited to add the following: Fantastic use of Seinfeld by the way. One of the all time great episodes.

[Edited on 4-16-2005 by longshot]

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
:socool:

I was using your sterilized comment to symbolize the call to hang the guy.

He didn't hit Sheff with a pipe, he didn't pre-meditate it, a drunk fan brushed his face and it may or may not have been done on purpose.

Last I heard, he wasn't arrested. What's that say about my point of view?

[Edited on 4-15-2005 by Hulkein]

::Cough cough::

Police seek misdemeanor charges against two fans in Sheffield scuffle <---Click me (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-yankees-redsox-sheffieldscuff&prov=ap&type=lgns)

[Hulkein]

Did you read the article?


one allegedly made contact with the outfielder as he attempted to get the ball near the right-field wall and the other tossed a beer at him.

That proves nothing we didn't already know.

If they felt it was intentional he would've been arrested on the spot.

[Skirmisher]

Charges that are not filed immediately are no less legally binding than those filed later, so then or now, it dos not matter.

You defend people by saying they were drunk and then that he wasn't arrested. Now you should know that his tickets have been revoked, he banned from the park and the police are looking at disorderly conduct charges for the primary loser..

Fans have every right to scream their displeasure, but no right to get drunk and act like asses.

I really do not understand your insistance in arguing this point as it is in all sports fans interests to keep this kind of stuff under control.

[Hulkein]

I believe he was drunk, and went for the ball, making his attempt look all the more stupid.

I never said he doesn't deserve charges, if you look back I said the journalist for the AP shouldn't have said, flat out, 'he took a short upper-cut at Shieffield.'

They took his tickets away... fine. I still argue the same thing I did the first post, it wasn't malicious.