Post-Cap Rogue Armor Preference

[Palcron]

I've been wearing a metal breastplate ever since I could train to use it, but with all of the changes focused on light armor rogues, I'm curious what rogues in the 25m+ experience range find best as a true end game base. Naijin keeps saying that the most common armor for rogues is brig, but that pretty much just tells me that the average level of all rogues combined is in the 30's. I'm curious what armor people wear at and far beyond cap.

I haven't bothered much with spells, but I've considered trying out doubles or something and upping my spell ranks a considerable amount, I just don't know if the loss of the plate benefits still outweighs the bonuses that they've added in over the last few years for lighter armor. That being said, I don't need to cast to hunt efficiently, so gaining spell ranks would just be for burst and AS/DS/TD spells (120/425).

I appreciate any insight.

[Zanatos]

I've been wearing a metal breastplate ever since I could train to use it, but with all of the changes focused on light armor rogues, I'm curious what rogues in the 25m+ experience range find best as a true end game base. Naijin keeps saying that the most common armor for rogues is brig, but that pretty much just tells me that the average level of all rogues combined is in the 30's. I'm curious what armor people wear at and far beyond cap.

I haven't bothered much with spells, but I've considered trying out doubles or something and upping my spell ranks a considerable amount, I just don't know if the loss of the plate benefits still outweighs the bonuses that they've added in over the last few years for lighter armor. That being said, I don't need to cast to hunt efficiently, so gaining spell ranks would just be for burst and AS/DS/TD spells (120/425).

I appreciate any insight.

i think after naijin's fiddling the roulette ball is going to land on light"ish" armor. he's hell bent on making plate a warrior only think and maybe possibly paladins. its wierd.

[Malvadere]

My rogue fits into the 25m+ range and wears doubles. I used to have a real fancy set of doubles but sold them as they weren't being used, aka I rarely got hit enough for them to save me. I hunt predominantly in the Scatter (so self spelled) and my TD is 412 and CvA is -22. This is with both T5 ensorcells on my armor and shield. At 202 armor ranks and maxed LAM, I evade a ton, and slippery mind is awesome. My self spelled DS in offensive is ~630, and ~1010 in defensive. Armor is 7x, and I'm at 120/475 for spells. I also have 0 ranks in hiding.

[Alashir]

My rogue fits into the 25m+ range and wears doubles. I used to have a real fancy set of doubles but sold them as they weren't being used, aka I rarely got hit enough for them to save me. I hunt predominantly in the Scatter (so self spelled) and my TD is 412 and CvA is -22. This is with both T5 ensorcells on my armor and shield. At 202 armor ranks and maxed LAM, I evade a ton, and slippery mind is awesome. My self spelled DS in offensive is ~630, and ~1010 in defensive. Armor is 7x, and I'm at 120/475 for spells. I also have 0 ranks in hiding.

Jesus.

[Alashir]

My rogue fits into the 25m+ range and wears doubles. I used to have a real fancy set of doubles but sold them as they weren't being used, aka I rarely got hit enough for them to save me. I hunt predominantly in the Scatter (so self spelled) and my TD is 412 and CvA is -22. This is with both T5 ensorcells on my armor and shield. At 202 armor ranks and maxed LAM, I evade a ton, and slippery mind is awesome. My self spelled DS in offensive is ~630, and ~1010 in defensive. Armor is 7x, and I'm at 120/475 for spells. I also have 0 ranks in hiding.

How do you hunt there?

[Malvadere]

How do you hunt there?

I use a shield and hand crossbow.

[Atmani]

As a former MBP truther, I did a bunch of math on the new Armor Proficiencies for Rogue, and basically found that Brig or Doubles are better until you're into 300-400+ endroll situations.

The extra Dodge DS you get from lighter armors under PSM3 does a lot of work to mitigate the Crit Divisor/DF difference from plate. You get hit less, and when you get hit, it's a lower endroll than in plate, so it takes a pretty nasty hit to realize the benefits of plate's crit divisor.

I am personally going Brig, because the marginal DS / benefits from Doubles aren't worth it to me vs. Brig's extra protection, and you get most of the same upside to Dodge/Evade/etc.

edit: adding my way overanalyzed chart
https://i.imgur.com/RzbPcCF.png

[Alashir]

As a former MBP truther, I did a bunch of math on the new Armor Proficiencies for Rogue, and basically found that Brig or Doubles are better until you're into 300-400+ endroll situations.

The extra Dodge DS you get from lighter armors under PSM3 does a lot of work to mitigate the Crit Divisor/DF difference from plate. You get hit less, and when you get hit, it's a lower endroll than in plate, so it takes a pretty nasty hit to realize the benefits of plate's crit divisor.

I am personally going Brig, because the marginal DS / benefits from Doubles aren't worth it to me vs. Brig's extra protection, and you get most of the same upside to Dodge/Evade/etc.

edit: adding my way overanalyzed chart
https://i.imgur.com/RzbPcCF.png

Lol that's pretty cool

[POWPOW]

I fall into the 25m+ range and generally at this point you'll be 3x dodge and have full self spells at the least. Your DS is high enough that you're really not even getting touched. I've been in brig since I can remember and I'd go down to lighter armor before I'd move up to heavier armor. You can't train off spell hinderance.

[rolfard]

Chain class isn't represented for any reason?

[Alashir]

Chain class isn't represented for any reason?

Presumably hindrance and dodging impact. At least for those who are well post cap

[Palcron]

I appreciate all of the comments. How do you guys feel about the CvA difference between plate and lighter armor? Is it another one of those things where at that point you have enough spells to offset the loss?

[Atmani]

As rogues do not receive any Chain Armor Proficiencies under PSM3, Chain is just a lesser/weaker MBP choice. Worst of each tradeoff.

[kutter]

I appreciate all of the comments. How do you guys feel about the CvA difference between plate and lighter armor? Is it another one of those things where at that point you have enough spells to offset the loss?

I thought that was the whole point of LAM was to provide better CVA in lighter armor.

[dzulthu]

I was testing out different armors in the test instance, and could only get up to about 510 DS in offensive self spelled with the same 120/475 split (3x dodge, 2x armor, 2x CM, 2x PF, etc) with 4x doubles, hand xbow, and buckler that I rummaged up.

Are you also beefed up with Ascension?

[Malvadere]

I was testing out different armors in the test instance, and could only get up to about 510 DS in offensive self spelled with the same 120/475 split (3x dodge, 2x armor, 2x CM, 2x PF, etc) with 4x doubles, hand xbow, and buckler that I rummaged up.

Are you also beefed up with Ascension?

Nope, but my armor is 7x, hand crossbow is 8x, and buckler is 10x zelnorn (so +25 equivalent? I think??), and the passive cman as well.