The Minuteman Project

[4a6c1]

http://www.minutemanproject.com/

They are helping the border patrol at the Arizona-Mexico border. What they are doing seems fairly relevent when you consider how easy it would be for a terrorist to come into the country over our badly protected borders.

I've heard they are largely a humanitarian effort and they have been witnessed giving aid to illegal aliens. They also have taken great lengths to discourage racial groups from identifying with they're cause.

I dont think they are getting enough positive media attention though and I hope things down there dont turn sour. We'll see.

[Fallen]

All it is going to take to shut them down will be ONE abusive situation. No matter how much good they do, it likely wont matter.

[Atlanteax]

I think they're getting some support from local (non-state) police.

Meanwhile, I'm all for it.

Good deal, I support it 100%

- Arkans

[Parkbandit]

I thought you were going to be talking about Anticor's 'rapid' sex life.

[Back]

While I agree our borders need far better protection, I don’t neccessarily think its from a threat that “Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."” Please.

Our borders definately need major scrutiny to keep out people who strap bombs to their backs.

Man, when I clicked the thread I thought it said Millenium project, and I was actually happy, then it came up and I read minutemen and realized I don't give a shit.

[DeV]

It's nice to see people volunteer their personal time for a worthy cause.

[xtc]

It is a great idea. How many illegal immigrants come to America every year? Last year the authorities caught over a million people trying to illegally enter the country. There are 8-12 Million illegal immigrants in the country currently and according to CNN 70% of them are from Mexico.

If I lived in Arizona I would be signing up for the minutemen as well, all the power to them.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by xtc

If I lived in Arizona I would be signing up for the minutemen as well, all the power to them.

Till all of your food prices doubled.

[Hulkein]

I highly doubt that will happen.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by xtc

If I lived in Arizona I would be signing up for the minutemen as well, all the power to them.

Till all of your food prices doubled.

lol I love Democrats and their fear mongering.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by xtc
lol I love Democrats and their fear mongering.

Wow...just wow.

I thought this was about a group part of whose mission was to keep out all the terrorists with their suitcase nukes from crossing the border.

No fear mongering there. :lol:

[Keller]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by xtc

If I lived in Arizona I would be signing up for the minutemen as well, all the power to them.

Till all of your food prices doubled.

Migrant workers are let in legally. Then they are shipped back to Mexico after harvest time in large buses.

That wont happen.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by xtc
lol I love Democrats and their fear mongering.

Wow...just wow.

I thought this was about a group part of whose mission was to keep out all the terrorists with their suitcase nukes from crossing the border.

No fear mongering there. :lol:

FUCKING PWND!!!!1111oneoneone

[Hulkein]

He wasn't pwned, he didn't create the thread, Jihna did, and I highly doubt she would call herself conservative or a Republican.

Skirmisher said something stupid and pwnd herself.

[Back]

Has anyone actually read the About page? It says nothing about stopping terrorists. All it talks about are the negative effects illegal immigrants (from Mexico) will have on our “culture”.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
He wasn't pwned, he didn't create the thread, Jihna did, and I highly doubt she would call herself conservative or a Republican.

Skirmisher said something stupid and pwnd herself.

Wow it's good to be back. :lol:

I'll be nice and say only this, you err sir.

[4a6c1]

<---- libertarian. sorta

[Keller]

Originally posted by Hulkein
He wasn't pwned, he didn't create the thread, Jihna did, and I highly doubt she would call herself conservative or a Republican.

Skirmisher said something stupid and pwnd herself.

Xenophobics have always had their issues. The most recent influx of concentration on borders is due to terrorism concerns, which she was addressing.

The fact that xtc said she was fear mongering by saying without illegal aliens we would have higher produce prices was absurd. She then pointed out what most of the concern (perhaps not this article, but the concern at large) was about, terrorism -- fear.

What xtc said was rediculous and he got his shit thrown back in his face. Pwnd.

[Artha]

They also have taken great lengths to discourage racial groups from identifying with they're cause.
Except for advertising on the StormFront forums (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=164831&page=1&pp=10).

[Apotheosis]

All I can say is "Go Minutemen!" :punch:

[Back]

Woah, I only suspected as much from the hate-laced explaniations they spew on their site.


Artha gets a :clap:

[Hulkein]

Telling people their food prices will double by guarding their borders from illegal aliens is absurd, and playing on a fear, albeit a different one.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Telling people their food prices will double by guarding their borders from illegal aliens is absurd, and playing on a fear, albeit a different one.

I think doubled is a bit harsh, an increase for sure.

Although Keller pointed out "legal" migrant workers, those only account for a very small percentage. Will you meat prices go up? Probably not by much. Although processing plants are havens for migrant workers, the mix between illegal migrant and citizen is probably around 3-1. Migrant help for livestock and feed crops is pretty minimal. Most everything else could feel an impact depending on how successful this "project" is.

I have reservations about locals patrolling the borders. Lack of training, general lack of good judgment, and lack of supervision.

[4a6c1]

Originally posted by Artha

They also have taken great lengths to discourage racial groups from identifying with they're cause.
Except for advertising on the StormFront forums (http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=164831&page=1&pp=10).

I'm pretty sure the person who did that wasnt a direct representative of the group.

[Keller]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Telling people their food prices will double by guarding their borders from illegal aliens is absurd, and playing on a fear, albeit a different one.

She was pointing out the double standard of people who hate illegal immigrants until it effects their pocket-books. I think she had a very valid point.

I wont hold it against her that she doesn't know a large portion of migrant workers are summer-only, and controlled by the government. She was trying to point out the double standard, and I commend her effort.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by Keller
I wont hold it against her that she doesn't know a large portion of migrant workers are summer-only, and controlled by the government. She was trying to point out the double standard, and I commend her effort.

I would say that a "large portion" is a "large stretch". You also have to consider how many jump the bus at the end of the season.

[Warriorbird]

Big fucking border.

[Skirmisher]

Originally posted by Hulkein
Telling people their food prices will double by guarding their borders from illegal aliens is absurd, and playing on a fear, albeit a different one.

I will grant you this, the doubling of prices was a figure i pulled out of my head so I cannot defend it in any way and admit it has no foundation.

The fact however remains that prices WILL increase. That is not fearmongering anymore than saying that if you drop a lit cigarette in a dry forrest you can start a fire. That is warning of simple cause and effect.

While the true fears that inspire most people to support the Minutemen, not those espoused on the website, are just that, fears of terrorism. I have seen more than one program dealing with this and those defending the project inevitably come back to shades of terrorism.

I did not bring up the word fearmongering, but since you did I will agree that it is being used only its invokers are those pushing the minuteman agenda.

[xtc]

Originally posted by Skirmisher

Originally posted by xtc
lol I love Democrats and their fear mongering.

Wow...just wow.

I thought this was about a group part of whose mission was to keep out all the terrorists with their suitcase nukes from crossing the border.

No fear mongering there. :lol:

Talk about a one sided slant on a story and totally untrue. Their mission statement says nothing about terrorists or bombs.

The Minuteman Project is a grassroots effort to bring Americans to the defense of their homeland, similar to the way the original Minutemen from Massachusetts (and other U. S. colonies) did in the late 1700s. Like them, we want to bring to this effort only what few personal possessions we can carry...plus our heart, mind and spirit.
This call for volunteers is not a call to arms, but a call to voices seeking a peaceful and respectable resolve to the chaotic neglect by members of our local, state and federal governments charged with applying U.S. immigration law.
It is a call to peacefully assemble at the Arizona-Mexico border to bring national awareness to the decades-long careless disregard of effective U.S. immigration law enforcement. It is a reminder to Americans that our nation was founded as a nation governed by the "rule of law", not by the whims of mobs of ILLEGAL aliens who endlessly stream across U.S. borders.
Accordingly, the men and women volunteering for this mission are those who are willing to sacrifice their time, and the comforts of a cozy home, to muster for something much more important than acquiring more "toys" to play with while their nation is devoured and plundered by the menace of tens of millions of invading illegal aliens.
Future generations will inherit a tangle of rancorous, unassimilated, squabbling cultures with no common bond to hold them together, and a certain guarantee of the death of this nation as a harmonious "melting pot."




[Edited on 4-14-2005 by xtc]

[xtc]

Originally posted by Skirmisher
I will grant you this, the doubling of prices was a figure i pulled out of my head so I cannot defend it in any way and admit it has no foundation.

I figured this


The fact however remains that prices WILL increase. That is not fearmongering anymore than saying that if you drop a lit cigarette in a dry forrest you can start a fire. That is warning of simple cause and effect.

Not according to Democrats. They claim that raising the minimum wage won't result in an increase in prices so obviously it won't here. Seriously though issuing seasonal worker permits to Mexican workers will keep wages stable and thus no increase in price. Even without this measure I doubt the effect on food prices would be drastic.



While the true fears that inspire most people to support the Minutemen, not those espoused on the website, are just that, fears of terrorism. I have seen more than one program dealing with this and those defending the project inevitably come back to shades of terrorism.


What show did you see? I watch several and although terrorism was mentioned it wasn't highlighted. That said I don't think it is unreasonable to say that if millions have illegally come to this country be walking from Mexico, it would be a good way for terrorists to get here.


I did not bring up the word fearmongering, but since you did I will agree that it is being used only its invokers are those pushing the minuteman agenda.

You were the first to start the fear mongering. I simply pointed it out.

[Warriorbird]

Immigrating to America is the American way. Considering the hideous number of barriers to legitimate proper immigration, I respect the balls of the immigrants doing what they can to get ahead.

[Tsa`ah]

Originally posted by xtc
You were the first to start the fear mongering. I simply pointed it out.

That was actually in the very first post that kicked this thread off.

She merely pointed out cause vs effect ... as she mentioned ... you take it as fear mongering.

"If you don't look both ways before crossing a street, a car could hit you and kill you dead."

"Stop creating a panic over motorists!"

[Keller]

Originally posted by Tsa`ah

Originally posted by Keller
I wont hold it against her that she doesn't know a large portion of migrant workers are summer-only, and controlled by the government. She was trying to point out the double standard, and I commend her effort.

I would say that a "large portion" is a "large stretch". You also have to consider how many jump the bus at the end of the season.

I researched a chapter of Doing Christian Ethics from the Margins by Migual de la Torre on migrant workers in American society and found overwhelming numbers of harvest only workers. I did the research three years ago and don't have the sources on hand -- but you can go to a library and check it out if you wish.

[4a6c1]

http://kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=3187227

The shirt read, "Bryan Barton caught an illegal alien and all I got was this lousy T-shirt."

:lol:

Hes an idiot for thinking they'd keep him after that though.