Being fat makes you...

[GSLeloo]

This is just a continuation of what we were saying in the Atheana thread.. I don't think just cause you're overweight you are lazy or anything else. Some people really do just have problems....

[Camri]

I know there are certain medical conditions that cause uncontrollable weight gain, and I feel sorry for those people.

But most people who are over weight are like Sintik said. They simply don't follow a correct diet, and they don't exercise.

Being over weight isn't a crime. Some people seem to pull it off and be happy with it. But the ones who whine about being fat, but do nothing about it get on my nerves.

If something about yourself bothers you so much that it makes you unhappy, then do something about it. Get out of the chair and go for a walk, and don't stop for twinkies on the way.

[Betheny]

I think that genetics play a huge role. Some people, no matter what they do, will be heavy. Just like some people will be tall, even if they put a brick on their head.

In today's society, you can't expect everyone to be able to have the time, or the monetary resources, to join a gym or buy a Bowflex.

As for walking and things of that nature, some people have medical conditions stopping them from doing such things.

I don't think it's fair to judge people on their weight. Saying 'Fat people are fat because they're lazy' is like saying 'Skinny people are skinny because they're poor and can't afford to eat.'

[Camri]

Exercise does not have to be expensive. You don't have to join a gym or anything to do it.

It's true some people have medical conditions, I said that in my first post. But the larger percentage of over weight people are the way they are because of diet and lack of exercise.

[HarmNone]

I think any generalized statement is going to be wrong. When one tries to say something about "everybody", there will be those who do not fit the picture being painted.

There are medical conditions that predispose to weight gain. There are medications that bring about weight gain. Genetics can make it easier to gain weight and harder to lose it. Some people have large frames and naturally carry more weight than small-framed people.
Those special situations have to be taken into account when discussing obesity, but those situations do not apply to the majority of people who are overweight. I think that is what Sintik was trying to say.

HarmNone

[DCSL]

I'll be one of the first to admit that I was overweight when I was a teenager and it was definitely my fault. My family has a predisposition towards gaining fat in our hips and thighs (it's the Cuban side of the family!) but that's about it. Plus, add to the fact that I'm 5'3" or thereabouts and I've almost always been the shortest kid around and it was that much worse.

But! I'm a success story! I got off my ass, started working out, doing the martial arts thing, just generally being more active. I ate less too, and drank more water instead of Coke all the time. Of course.. I still ate the same stuff, just less of it, and that worked for me while it doesn't work for all people...

Now I'm a nice 111 lbs, down from nearly 140 (chunky for my height) and I feel alot better. So far, so good, for about three years now.

[SpunGirl]

Obesity that threatens a person's health is one thing, and it should be taken very seriously. People who allow themselves to become seriously obese to that point are people I view as being extremely selfish, because they obviously don't care if they leave their families when they have a fatal heart attack at 30.

For the rest of the population, I would ask, what do you consider "fat?" I fall into the Weight Watcher's guide of what I should weigh for my height, but when I was 20 pounds heavier I didn't consider myself "fat," just felt I needed to get rid of some excess.

Similarly, I've seen people label themselves as "fat" when I don't see that at all.

-K

[Camri]

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Obesity that threatens a person's health is one thing, and it should be taken very seriously. People who allow themselves to become seriously obese to that point are people I view as being extremely selfish, because they obviously don't care if they leave their families when they have a fatal heart attack at 30.

For the rest of the population, I would ask, what do you consider "fat?" I fall into the Weight Watcher's guide of what I should weigh for my height, but when I was 20 pounds heavier I didn't consider myself "fat," just felt I needed to get rid of some excess.

Similarly, I've seen people label themselves as "fat" when I don't see that at all.

-K

I believe obese, or fat is when someone is over weight to the point that it's not healthy, or they are unhappy with themselves.

I know people who aren't fat, who believe they are, too. But if they feel they are over weight, then they should do something about it.

If someone is over weight, but not to the point of being a health risk, and happy with themselves. They won't get any trouble from me. It's the people who are over weight and sit and whine about it, but do nothing to change it, that infuriate me.

[HarmNone]

I agree wholeheartedly, Camri. That is exactly as I see it.

HarmNone

[Betheny]

Being too thin can be a health risk, as well. This should be a weight topic, not a fat topic.

[HarmNone]

Being overly thin is just as bad as being obese. It strains the body's systems. Although the risk of certain diseases is not present in those who are too thin, there are other risk factors associated with the condition, depending on how thin a person is. If they are anorexic, the risk of early death is even higher than in those who are obese.

HarmNone

[Camri]

Originally posted by Maimara
Being too thin can be a health risk, as well. This should be a weight topic, not a fat topic.

You're right. Being too thin can be a health risk, and it's just as unattractive.

I know a woman who's so thin she looks like a walking skeleton. It's gross. But she continues to diet as if she needs to lose weight. It's some kind of eating disorder I think.

But I think the same rules apply to too thin people too. There are medical conditions that cause that. But there are also supplements available to increase their calorie intake.

[Red Devil]

In the great words of sean, " You're all fatasses, I hope you choke on a chicken bone."

[Betheny]

Wipe your mouth off, Red Devil, you've still got some of Sean's spooge on your chin.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Red Devil
In the great words of sean, " You're all fatasses, I hope you choke on a chicken bone."

You're such a sweet guy.

Would it be too much to hope you might just go away?

[HarmNone]

Go tell your mommy she wants you, Red Devil. :)

HarmNone does not

[CrystalTears]

How about making it a health issue rather than a fat or thin issue. At my thinnest and healthiest I weigh around 145 and according to some people that's fat but if you saw me you'd know that I wasn't. I'm not that thin now and I do realize I have to get off my fat ass and do something, but it's because I want to feel better, not necessarily look better. If I lose weight in the process, bonus for me. Even skinny people can be unhealthy.

[DCSL]

Do women tend to collect their fat in the hips and thighs in your family too, CT? Women from the Cuban side of my family seem to have a constant pear shape. And we all have 'childbearing' hips.

[HarmNone]

Many skinny people are unhealthy. If they do not eat correctly and exercise, they will be just as unhealthy as anyone else. Even if they are not anorexic, they need good diet and exercise as much as the next person.

HarmNone

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by DCSL
Do women tend to collect their fat in the hips and thighs in your family too, CT? Women from the Cuban side of my family seem to have a constant pear shape. And we all have 'childbearing' hips.

Heh. I know my family is that way. We all tend to have big bottoms if we are not very careful, and some of us have "thunder thighs", as well. :o

HarmNone has the family bottom

[CrystalTears]

No matter how thin I get, I will always have huge breasts, a huge ass and wide hips. It's unavoidable. :D

Do you think my avatar is a coincidence?!

[Edited on 9/20/2003 by CrystalTears]

[Back]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
No matter how thin I get, I will always have huge breasts, a huge ass and wide hips. It's unavoidable. :D

Do you think my avatar is a coincidence?!

[Edited on 9/20/2003 by CrystalTears]

Thats how a woman should be. Screw the waif thing.

Originally posted by Maimara
I think that genetics play a huge role. Some people, no matter what they do, will be heavy. Just like some people will be tall, even if they put a brick on their head.

In today's society, you can't expect everyone to be able to have the time, or the monetary resources, to join a gym or buy a Bowflex.

As for walking and things of that nature, some people have medical conditions stopping them from doing such things.

I don't think it's fair to judge people on their weight. Saying 'Fat people are fat because they're lazy' is like saying 'Skinny people are skinny because they're poor and can't afford to eat.'


I might not be able to expect them to join a gym or get a bow flex but i sure as hell can expect them to give the slightest fuck about their personal appearance, and health.

[Tsa`ah]

There is nothing wrong with large asses, breasts and thighs!

[HarmNone]

The bowflex really is a great piece of equipment. I have one, and I love it. It really helps me keep myself in shape. Unlike my mother, I do have to watch my weight. ::sigh::

HarmNone

[Betheny]

There was a time when a little padding was sexy. What's the obsession with stick figures anyway?

[Back]

No idea. I dig renaissance paintings myself.

Originally posted by RangerD1

Originally posted by Maimara
I think that genetics play a huge role. Some people, no matter what they do, will be heavy. Just like some people will be tall, even if they put a brick on their head.

In today's society, you can't expect everyone to be able to have the time, or the monetary resources, to join a gym or buy a Bowflex.

As for walking and things of that nature, some people have medical conditions stopping them from doing such things.

I don't think it's fair to judge people on their weight. Saying 'Fat people are fat because they're lazy' is like saying 'Skinny people are skinny because they're poor and can't afford to eat.'


I might not be able to expect them to join a gym or get a bow flex but i sure as hell can expect them to give the slightest fuck about their personal appearance, and health.

Let me explain a little bit more.

It doesn't take a lot to maintain a healthy weight. In fact its fairly simple.

Eat sensibly, and try and stay active.

Most people gain weight because they don't eat correctly, and the most strenuous thing they do is carrying their fat ass down the stairs.

Lets break this down a littl ebit.

Eating right. As noted by the fast food category i don't eat Tofu and brussel sprouts 3 meals a day.

However, i don't eat 5-6 meals with several snacks either. Its alright to go out and get a cheesebuger every once and a while. But you might wanna hold off on that third triple bacon stack for lunch.

Even if you eat sensibly there are tiny things you can do that will make a large different. Such as drinking water instead of pop, juice or coffee.

Or simply taking some form of supplement to ensure you are getting the right amount of vitamins and minerals.

Finding fat free alternatives for snacks. That doesn't mean you gotta choke down triscuits. Theres all kinds of healthy snacks out there. My favorite is red vines.


Stayin active. Sure, its better to be able to work some form of routine into your life. But seriously. Its not a huge amount of time to invest. Work out for 30-45 minutes 3-5 times a week and you WILL see noticable differences. If for some reason you can't do that, find ways to incorporate physical activities into your daily routine. Walk the stairs every once in a while. Ride a bike to work. Whatever it is, as long as your exerting yourself somehow.

There have been studies that suggest that walking is just as good as running for your health. So walking a few blocks down the route while your waiting for the bus is the same as running that distance.

There has also been studies that suggest that you don't need to do continuous activity to get the benefeit of cardiovascular exercises.

So you do the math.

I mean, if somebody has a genetic or medical condition that predisposes them to obesity, then they have my sympathy. Unfortunately the rise in obestiy in the country has nothing to do with those factors. They have to do with the unhealthy and sedimentary lifestyle that most Americans have.

[Betheny]

Okay, now tell me. For those of us on a limited budget, we can't exactly afford to be buying much of anything save ramen noodles and mac and cheese.

[longshot]

I'm so glad I live in a country where it's looked down upon to be fat.

People here will say right to your face, "You're fat!" like they are telling you it's sunny outside.

[Betheny]

I'd rather be fat than ugly.

Originally posted by Maimara
Okay, now tell me. For those of us on a limited budget, we can't exactly afford to be buying much of anything save ramen noodles and mac and cheese.

Um..don't eat as much. If you can't afford anything but ramen and macaroni, and your becoming fat you got some issues.

Originally posted by Maimara
I'd rather be fat than ugly.

You can always turn the light soff on a ugly person :) Its kinda hard to block out being suffocatd.

Originally posted by RangerD1

Originally posted by Maimara
I'd rather be fat than ugly.

You can always turn the light soff on a ugly person :) Its kinda hard to block out being suffocatd.


Hey i'll just add before i go to bed, that all that matters is that you are happy with yourself. Theres nothing wrong with being a "lil chunky" if that is what you want or are comfortable with.


Doesn't mean i think its a good thing though.

[Betheny]

That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is not everyone is privelidged enough to live the good life and eat good food. It's rather expensive. Rent's more important.

In this economy, not everyone is privelidged to have a good paying job. Or a job at all.

And for the record, I eat maybe once every two days or so.

[Camri]

Originally posted by Maimara
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is not everyone is privelidged enough to live the good life and eat good food. It's rather expensive. Rent's more important.

In this economy, not everyone is privelidged to have a good paying job. Or a job at all.

And for the record, I eat maybe once every two days or so.

You can eat good food on a very limited budget. I'm forced to do it everyday. I exist on a part time job, and student loans. I don't have parents who help pay my way through college. A poor financial situation is not an excuse to be unhealthy or fat.

Ramen noodles and mac and cheese are fine, as long as you only eat one portion, and try to throw in some fruit and milk sometimes.

You can also get all the exercise you need to be healthy, for free. You don't have to spend a dime to go for a walk, or do a few sit ups in front of the TV.

And by the way... Eating once every 2 days isn't healthy either. You need to eat at least one healthy meal a day. You're body needs food for fuel, and the fuel does more than give you energy, it burns fat.

[Adhara]

I don't understand why this discussion ever started. Why do you people care how other people look like? Look at yourself in the mirror. If you like what you see, great! If you don't, work to change it. You know how.

Some fat people are lazy, some are not. Some skinny people are lazier, some are not. If they whine they're fat, help them or send them to hell. If they don't whine then what's the problem?

I just fail to see the purpose of this. Fat people know they are fat and they know what to do to change it. Telling them over and over how to do it won't make them do it more. If you're interested in understanding the reasons why fat people choose to stay fat now that's different but that's not what I think is being done here.

[GSLeloo]

I think eating healthy is more important than excersize... No matter how much you work out, you eventually can't burn off as much junk food as you eat, especially if you're eating half a pizza.
Every day I have three fruits, three vegi's, and three starches. I don't leave it up to be a variable, it's all worked out and set so that I don't overeat or undereat or eat too much of this or that. And I have about three proteins also. And doing just that (and losing most of that steroid shit) I have lost weight and am no longer considered to be overweight.

[ElvenRangeress]

Okies let me say a few things.
-First off, I'm not skinny no, but I'm not 300lbs. (185 actually) and I'm tall (5'9" or 8" can't member which it was) If this is being overweight and means I don't have energy, think again. I dance jazz, ballet, and alot more activities which require alot of energy.

-Second thing is, if your going to call someone anything, maybe you should see a picture of them, not an edited picture from an enemy, but we resolved this a while ago in Gs4gurl's case, she saw a picture of me and said I'm not anywhere near as bad as the picture Allyxia and Jenisi decided to show to people of me, dono where the hell they got their sources from but it doesn't matter.

-And this goes to anyone who IS fat:
Yes you can have energy
Yes you can be beautiful
Perhaps people call you fat (such as titless skinny girls) thats probably because you have huge breasts and thats all they see and are jealous. Happens.
Don't ever let your self-esteem fade away because some people are just assholes.

-A

(this post not really directed to anyone specific)

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by ElvenRangeress]

[GSLeloo]

Just to make sure we clarify one thing, this topic wasn't made to bash ANYONE and we were not calling anyone fat. We are simply discussing the health issues and social views of obese people in society.

[ElvenRangeress]

Well not saying you did it to bash anyone, just pointing out a few things. But maybe if you didn't put my name in the first post I wouldn't have found this thread in the first place. ..

[Halfsilver]

Originally posted by Maimara
There was a time when a little padding was sexy. What's the obsession with stick figures anyway?

Bwahaha! A lil padding IS good!

People who want that starved, unhealthy look are TOTALLY confused!

w00t!

-grays/d

edit: little typo...heh

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Halfsilver]

[ElvenRangeress]

Sometimes you want a nice padded person to snuggle (a little meat, not speaking of 10000lbs.) soft boobies and a sweet heart. ;o)

[GSLeloo]

Your name was in the first post just because it was from that thread where this originated. But in that thread it was an not on topic and became a side conversation between myself, Sintik, and two others. It was not made to bash anyone.

[Halfsilver]

SHH!

You're not supposed to tell them that! :flamed:

-grays/d

[Weedmage Princess]

I don't think being fat makes you anything, necessarily...other than *shrugs* fat. And that's not a bad thing...unless you're "obese" in which case it's just not good for you. Some people wear their weight well. And the charts they have out for poundage aren't always correct anyway. At my healthiest (when I was running) I weighed like 125-130, and was 5'4. According to the "charts" that's overweight..but..it certainly wasn't for me. Like the other Latin ladies here on the boards, I too inherited natural TnA thing..and I narrowed out at the waist...yep, I'm tootin my own horn..heh. Of course now that I have an infant and work all the time...I haven't been running so....*glances at herself, grumbles* Yeah, I need to get off my ass and start running again.

I know more than a couple of guys who are a lil chunky and I'd date em if I weren't married (and I'm damn picky) ...I don't want some nasty skeleton with a flat ass, anyway. If I wanna see that, I'll go watch one of those Unicef videos they send you when you donate money.

[Camri]

Originally posted by ElvenRangeress
Okies let me say a few things.
-First off, I'm not skinny no, but I'm not 300lbs. (185 actually) and I'm tall (5'9" or 8" can't member which it was) If this is being overweight and means I don't have energy, think again. I dance jazz, ballet, and alot more activities which require alot of energy.

-Second thing is, if your going to call someone anything, maybe you should see a picture of them, not an edited picture from an enemy, but we resolved this a while ago in Gs4gurl's case, she saw a picture of me and said I'm not anywhere near as bad as the picture Allyxia and Jenisi decided to show to people of me, dono where the hell they got their sources from but it doesn't matter.

-And this goes to anyone who IS fat:
Yes you can have energy
Yes you can be beautiful
Perhaps people call you fat (such as titless skinny girls) thats probably because you have huge breasts and thats all they see and are jealous. Happens.
Don't ever let your self-esteem fade away because some people are just assholes.

-A

(this post not really directed to anyone specific)

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by ElvenRangeress]

You know... You shouldn't take this thread personally. It isn't about you. It started in another thread, and was moved because it ISN'T about YOU.

I don't think anyone here has really been bashing fat people, we've simply been discussing why some people are fat, and what they could be doing about it, as opposed to whining about it and making excuses.

If you're heavy, and happy with the way you are, more power to you. You're not going to get any shit from me about it.

But you also need to take a look at how many years that extra weight might take off your life. And how fair is it to the people who love you, for you to knowingly shorten your life.

People who smoke need to consider the same question.

[Weedmage Princess]

I'm actually going to say something NICE about Atheana (call your local clergy and ask if hell's frozen over...)

I think she (IRL) is a damn nice looking girl, atleast from the pics I've seen on her site. I don't think her size makes her unattractive at all.

[imported_Kranar]

Heh, I can't stand the genetic excuse, well most people should know that by now.

It's like there's some North-American gene that only ever seems to affect us North-Americans. This gene makes us fat and physically inactive and it seems to somehow spread exponentially every year, and yet somehow it's not a virus.

Oh no... it's not the life style of North-Americans that's making us fatter and lazier, it's the North-American gene, it's different from those in Japan, Europe, and South America.

[Solkern]

I'm a buffalo, I weigha 410, shit atleast i don't weigh more then HarmNone :)
But anyways, I love a girl with curves, I need a girl with a banging ass, I've dated the skinny girls, And there fun to toss around in bed, get'em aganist the wall and sorts, but you feel like your going to break her in half,
I want a girl
5'6 5'7 130-135 anyone out there, gimme a call!
So i can show you what a real 410lbs man can do!
hehe

[imported_Kranar]

<< I think eating healthy is more important than excersize... No matter how much you work out, you eventually can't burn off as much junk food as you eat, especially if you're eating half a pizza. >>

I'd argue the opposite. If your eating junk food that has a lot of calories, and you're also willing to work out, then you have more energy to work out with and can convert your fat into muscle.

It's MUCH harder for someone who's skinny to the bone to gain muscle from excersizing than someone who's large.

[Ravenstorm]

Actually, I see the number one cause of weight gain in the US as being the so-called food pyramid. For 40 years (or however long it's been) people have had the idea that following it is what constitutes a healthy diet.

http://www.nal.usda.gov:8001/py/pmap.htm

That's the biggest crock of bull. It's only recently that nutritionists are rebuilding it from the ground up so it's based on scientifically accurate information. Which is to say that right now, it's not. At all. Note the bottom of it: 6-11 servings of carbs. White rice. Pasta. Breads. Cereal. It's bullshit.

Refined flour and grains have no real nutritional value and are converted to sugar almost instantly. Sugar also promotes insulin production which will then burn it up quickly which means you're hungry again sooner than you should be.

Does junk food and fast foodplay a role? Of course. So does the increase in the number of desk jobs as the US has become a service economy over a production one. And super sizing everything doesn't help, naturally. But if you look back to the real start of when the US started to become obese in large numbers, I'm betting you'll find the food pyramid there prompting people to eat a carb heavy diet.

And as a side note, the eating healthy is much more expensive than eating badly. When talking about sheer volume, salad is more expensive than pasta or even steak.

Raven

[Meos]

you are so fat and gay

[GSLeloo]

Actually you can buy a pound of apples for a dollar.. a head of lettuce for like 1.50 and a cuccumber for like .50 on sale (I work at a grocery store) Plus if the cost bothers you, grow a garden. We have cuccumbers growing by the dozen cause of all the rain and the seeds to by them cost like $2 and now we have baskets of cuccumbers. Same with tomatos, eggplant, lettuce, plus apple trees, blueberry and raspberry bushes... if you feel eating healthy is too expensive, grow a garden. It's soothing, cheap, and also helps burn calories.

[Edaarin]

Kranar's right. I was doing everything I could to gain weight last year (not that I was skinny to the bone), to the point where I was drinking 2 or 3 protein shakes a day (tastes like chocolate chalk). There's probably a healthier way to go about gaining weight, but it wouldn't be as much fun.

[Solkern]

I'd rather sit on my FAT ASS eating chips, and fast food, then do anything else
Trying to get my weight to 420!

[peam]

Being fat is the new black.

My weight usually floats around 285 through the year. When I tell people how much I weigh, they can't believe it. It's not that I'm a bulbous glob of flesh. It's just that I have a big frame, and more than enough flesh to decorate it with.

I honestly think that if I ever dropped a considerable amount of weight, I wouldn't look right. As previously mentioned, some people are just destined to be larger than average.

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by peam]

[Camri]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
Actually you can buy a pound of apples for a dollar.. a head of lettuce for like 1.50 and a cuccumber for like .50 on sale (I work at a grocery store) Plus if the cost bothers you, grow a garden. We have cuccumbers growing by the dozen cause of all the rain and the seeds to by them cost like $2 and now we have baskets of cuccumbers. Same with tomatos, eggplant, lettuce, plus apple trees, blueberry and raspberry bushes... if you feel eating healthy is too expensive, grow a garden. It's soothing, cheap, and also helps burn calories.

Ummm... not everybody can just grow a garden.

If I tried to plant a garden in the duplex complex I live in, the landlord would throw my ass out.

But it still isn't expensive to eat healthy.

[Solkern]

Damn straight peam, should make the fatmans club woot woot!

[GSLeloo]

Well... yeah, it would be hard to grow a garden there but I live in a house in New Jersey so it's a lot easier here. I don't actually grow the garden, that would require work... but my parents do it. but the point was, as you said, eating healthy really isn't that expensive. A good steak can cost you nearly $10 while you could buy like seven different vegetables for that

[Soulpieced]

Soulpieced lost 30 pounds by giving up soda and drinking water almost exclusively. And watching/lower intake of saturated fat. That's it, no special gimmick diet. Just changed 2 things in my ordinary eating habits. Though I also lift/cardi/basketball a lot. Though I've been a gimp since I had a grade 2 LCL sprain from getting pushed on the side while doing a jump stop. At least I threw down a dunk an hour before it happened.

[Solkern]

Did you know, when something says low fat, or no sugar, that most of the time is total bullshit, look for other forms of sugar or fatting product, also when an item says light, or anything to that form, it could be a WIDE rangeof things from color, to taste and so on

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Solkern]

[Ilvane]

I'm not skinny, and I don't really mind it. I also exercise 5 times a week at the gym, and eat healthy. I don't fit your stereotype of a lazy fat person.:grin:

My doctor said I needed to lose some weight, but also indicated my blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol and heart were all great. So it's not so bad.;)

I've been 105 pounds and I've been 185..when I was really skinny I was starving myself or alternating with bulemia..yet everyone told me I looked great. :lol: That's how sick society is.

Anyway, being fat isn't always as clear cut or preventable as some who are thin think.:)

-A

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Ilvane]

[imported_Kranar]

<< Actually, I see the number one cause of weight gain in the US as being the so-called food pyramid. >>

You're honest to God stating that people who are obese in the U.S. are obese because they went to that food pyramid and followed it instead of eating fast food and eating unhealthy food on the run?

I'd bet that most obese people in the U.S. don't have a freaking clue any of what's on that pyramid.

[CrystalTears]

People are usually taught that pyramid in at least middle school. I know I was.

[Solkern]

No, most people that are fat, are fat due to he fact, that they buy wrong food, or they just sit on there ass and don't do shit
You know whats really funny, but i feel really bad for thinking this way...
When you got a REALLY REALLY REALLLY fat person in a tiny tiny car...(like a geo metro) I just feel bad for the car, and when they get up...like that half of the car raises like a foot or someshit

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Solkern]

[GSLeloo]

I remember it from like 4th grade. The pictures of bread, grains, cereal and pasta were on the bottom.. then the next level was vegetables and fruit and then the next was meat and dairy and the top of fats.

[Camri]

Originally posted by GSLeloo
I remember it from like 4th grade. The pictures of bread, grains, cereal and pasta were on the bottom.. then the next level was vegetables and fruit and then the next was meat and dairy and the top of fats.

Yeah, it's the 4-4-3-2-1 thing. Designed especially with the soon to be obese in mind.

[imported_Kranar]

And you guys and your parents who are obese actually followed and obeyed that food pyramid?

So that if that food pyramid was something totally different and accurate, most of our obesity problems would be solved?

I simply find it very hard to believe that somehow the government is now the NUMBER ONE reason to blame for obesity. Nope, not our life style, not fast food, they share a smaller, lesser, responsibility, but the big one goes to the government.

I find that REALLY hard to believe.

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Kranar]

[Meos]

Originally posted by peam
Being fat is the new black.

My weight usually floats around 285 through the year. When I tell people how much I weigh, they can't believe it. It's not that I'm a bulbous glob of flesh. It's just that I have a big frame, and more than enough flesh to decorate it with.

I honestly think that if I ever dropped a considerable amount of weight, I wouldn't look right. As previously mentioned, some people are just destined to be larger than average.

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by peam]

peams built like me, we aren't fat dude, we're thicksters.. for the record i run like the wind. and Daina..... I don't know what I'm gonna do with you yet, but rest asured, it will be evil.

[Solkern]

Shit did you know milk, actually doesn't do shit for you? they actually got the goverment to make it so every student in school, MUST get a pint of milk atleast per day, when milk does pretty much nothing for you, builds bones maybe if you drina few gallons a day.

[Meos]

no I'm a common man of the people around here.... jeez could I be more fat and gay....

[DCSL]

Also, eating healthy isn't that easy for some... like me. I have weird mouth pH. It either has much more acid or base than normal.. base, I think. Things taste much differently to me than they do to other people. As I was growing up, people thought I was just being a brat when I gagged up supposedly good food but then Mom got me tested, heh. Cooked vegetables taste nasty to me. Peanuts and their by products taste weird to me. When I go out to eat, I have to eat the plainest stuff possible, usually pasta, so that no one can heap whatever they think tastes good on top of it. Bleh.

Just contributing another reason for hard weight loss.

Originally posted by Maimara
That's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is not everyone is privelidged enough to live the good life and eat good food. It's rather expensive. Rent's more important.

In this economy, not everyone is privelidged to have a good paying job. Or a job at all.

And for the record, I eat maybe once every two days or so.

I'm quite aware that not everyone i sprivledged to eat correctly. I grew up on the south side of chicago. Its not exactly the most privledged area in the country.

There were maybe a handful of overly fat people who i even knew growing up.

Originally posted by Kranar
<< I think eating healthy is more important than excersize... No matter how much you work out, you eventually can't burn off as much junk food as you eat, especially if you're eating half a pizza. >>

I'd argue the opposite. If your eating junk food that has a lot of calories, and you're also willing to work out, then you have more energy to work out with and can convert your fat into muscle.

It's MUCH harder for someone who's skinny to the bone to gain muscle from excersizing than someone who's large.

Yea i can agree with that. When i joined the Army i was 6'4 165 lbs and really mal nourished. It took alot of work to get to the 210 i'm now. Whereas i've seen people drop 60+ lbs in a matter of weeks.

[Solkern]

i'm 6'1 175, am i skinny or someshit?

[Camri]

Originally posted by Kranar
And you guys and your parents who are obese actually followed and obeyed that food pyramid?

So that if that food pyramid was something totally different and accurate, most of our obesity problems would be solved?

I simply find it very hard to believe that somehow the government is now the NUMBER ONE reason to blame for obesity. Nope, not our life style, not fast food, they share a smaller, lesser, responsibility, but the big one goes to the government.

I find that REALLY hard to believe.

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Kranar]

You're absolutlet right. Everyone is responsible for their own health and weight. The government simply made suggestions, nobody was forced to follow that chart.

The weight problems in the US, are mostly the result of poor eating habits, and lack of activity.

Excusing of course those who have VALID medical reasons.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
People are usually taught that pyramid in at least middle school. I know I was.

As was I. And my mother knew about it as well despite having gone to school long before it was developed. Pasta was one of the staples in the house. It's cheap, quick and falls under the 6-11 servings per day so it's /healthy/. Potatos and rice were also frequently served. Here's one version of the new food pyramid being developed:

http://www.sciam.com/media/inline/0007C5B6-7152-1DF6-9733809EC588EEDF_3_lg.gif

Note how pasta, rice, and bread is now at the very top under the category 'use sparingly' while whole grains such as wheat bread, barley and brown rice are now at the very bottom along with some oils.

Raven

[Solkern]

Anyways..backon topic being fat makes your sweat alot
did you know fat people are jolly?
I actually read it in a school paper the teacher handed out.

[Ravenstorm]

Originally posted by CamriYou're absolutlet right. Everyone is responsible for their own health and weight. The government simply made suggestions, nobody was forced to follow that chart.

The weight problems in the US, are mostly the result of poor eating habits, and lack of activity.

Excusing of course those who have VALID medical reasons.

Of course no one was forced to follow it. but when the government says 'this is a healthy diet' people who want to eat healthy will be inclined to follow it. it's only recently that anyone has said 'this is NOT a healthy diet'.

The weight problem in the US started decades ago, long before fast food became an epidemic spanning coast to coast. Because news flash people, there are plenty of people who are fat who never eat fast food nor do they gorge themselves or binge on sweets.

Raven

[CrystalTears]

I don't blame anyone for me being fat. I ate what was served to me so I knew that I had to do something about, still do.

I grew up in a Cuban household. My dear grandmother made ALL meals with a starch. I think it was inconceivable to her to not serve rice or pasta in a meal. As a matter of fact, a good portion of the meals she made had both rice AND potatoes. All of them loaded with fat. The woman kept a canister of lard in the pantry at all times. Rice was made a big scoop of it. It was all great to eat, but it plastered itself to my butt and thighs for life it seems.

I have a medium frame and I have densely packed fat. As fat as I am, I don't have cellulite. Losing this fat is really hard. The food I eat makes very little difference since my fiance cooks a hell of a lot healthier than any fast foods or my grandmother. I have to exercise and it's basically the only thing that helps me lose weight. And yes, I'm a lazy lazy woman and I'm well aware that I need to exercise. The longer I wait to do it, the harder it has been to get motivated to do it at all. But I have to because I don't feel well, I'm always tired and sleepy and I lack the motivation to do anything around the house. It's pretty sad. I just want to feel better.

Besides, the lecturing needs to be done to those who actually complain about being fat and how they "can't do anything to lose it". That's a crock. It's hard, I do realize, but it's not impossible.

[Solkern]

Exactly, Having it be hard...Would be even better, think about the feeling when your done, youshould climb a huge huge huge ass mountain, and you fucking got to the top, I love finishing something really tough, makes your feel better on the inside

[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Solkern]

[Ilvane]

You know I just can't be mean..:mumbles:

Just accept people for what they are..it's none of anyone elses business if someone is fat. That is a choice.

So anyway...Solkern, don't be a twit!

-A


[Edited on 9-20-2003 by Ilvane]

[Camri]

[i]Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Of course no one was forced to follow it. but when the government says 'this is a healthy diet' people who want to eat healthy will be inclined to follow it. it's only recently that anyone has said 'this is NOT a healthy diet'.

There have been independent studies going on and being released for years. Anyone who wasn'r exposed to any of them had to live in a cave. The government pyramid is but one among many. We all had choices.

The weight problem in the US started decades ago, long before fast food became an epidemic spanning coast to coast. Because news flash people, there are plenty of people who are fat who never eat fast food nor do they gorge themselves or binge on sweets.

Raven

But do these people have healthy lifestyles? Do they exercise? I understand there are some people who have very valid reasons for being over weight. But there aren't enough of them to account for the epidemic proportions of overweight people in this country.

[Solkern]

Only on weekends

[Camri]

[quote][i]Originally posted by Ravenstorm

Of course no one was forced to follow it. but when the government says 'this is a healthy diet' people who want to eat healthy will be inclined to follow it. it's only recently that anyone has said 'this is NOT a healthy diet'.


There have been independent studies going on and being released for years. Anyone who wasn'r exposed to any of them had to live in a cave. The government pyramid is but one among many. We all had choices.


The weight problem in the US started decades ago, long before fast food became an epidemic spanning coast to coast. Because news flash people, there are plenty of people who are fat who never eat fast food nor do they gorge themselves or binge on sweets.


But do these people have healthy lifestyles? Do they exercise? I understand there are some people who have very valid reasons for being over weight. But there aren't enough of them to account for the epidemic proportions of overweight people in this country.

[imported_Kranar]

<< The weight problem in the US started decades ago, long before fast food became an epidemic spanning coast to coast. >>

Checking U.S. obesity trend charts and analysis (just search on Yahoo for some), they all agree the trend STARTED in 1986. It wasn't a problem in 1986, but that's when the exponential growth began.

Before 1986, only 2 states fell in the top two obesity categories. In 2001, 49 states fell into the top two obesity categories. And now the number of people who become obese increases by 60 percent a year.

This so called food pyramid that's somehow the NUMBER ONE cause of obesity... when did it come out?

[Ilvane]

You know, back in the old ages, people used to think being overweight was a sign of good fortune..and it was!

-A

[imported_Kranar]

<< You know, back in the old ages, people used to think being overweight was a sign of good fortune..and it was! >>

In Italy being obese was representative of upper class status and being skinny was representative of the opposite. But back then people only lived until they were 30-40 anyways.

[Ravenstorm]

Note that I did not say it was the number one cause of obesity.


Actually, I see the number one cause of weight gain in the US as being the so-called food pyramid.

I'm talking about 'being fat' in general which is what the topic is about. And the simple fact is that the diet that used to be considered healthy promotes weight gain.

According to the web, the actual pyramid was conceived in 1992 'officially' but it just put in pictorial form what the USDA was saying since the 80s. And since the 60s, the four basic food groups promoted a diet high in carbs. I think that's pretty significant really especially since schools serve meals based on what the government says is a balanced diet.

Now, that does not mean 'But it's not my fault!' if you're obese. As people have said, unless there's a valid medical reason for it, the person has let it happen. It is too easy however for people to just say well it's all your fault because you are a fat, lazy pig. It's hardly such a black and white situation and people need to educate themselves instead of letting their prejudices control them.

Raven

Originally posted by Solkern
i'm 6'1 175, am i skinny or someshit?

Nah not really, your in the ideal weight range. My ideal normal weight is about 190, but because of my job i need to be a little bit more in shape.

[longshot]

Originally posted by CrystalTears
I don't blame anyone for me being fat. I ate what was served to me so I knew that I had to do something about, still do.

I grew up in a Cuban household. My dear grandmother made ALL meals with a starch. I think it was inconceivable to her to not serve rice or pasta in a meal. As a matter of fact, a good portion of the meals she made had both rice AND potatoes. All of them loaded with fat. The woman kept a canister of lard in the pantry at all times. Rice was made a big scoop of it. It was all great to eat, but it plastered itself to my butt and thighs for life it seems.

I have a medium frame and I have densely packed fat. As fat as I am, I don't have cellulite. Losing this fat is really hard. The food I eat makes very little difference since my fiance cooks a hell of a lot healthier than any fast foods or my grandmother. I have to exercise and it's basically the only thing that helps me lose weight. And yes, I'm a lazy lazy woman and I'm well aware that I need to exercise. The longer I wait to do it, the harder it has been to get motivated to do it at all. But I have to because I don't feel well, I'm always tired and sleepy and I lack the motivation to do anything around the house. It's pretty sad. I just want to feel better.

Besides, the lecturing needs to be done to those who actually complain about being fat and how they "can't do anything to lose it". That's a crock. It's hard, I do realize, but it's not impossible.

Don't stress.

You're beautiful.

[HarmNone]

It seems to me that if you are happy with yourself as you are, that should be good enough. If you are not happy with yourself, if you feel you are too heavy or too thin, you need to do something about it.

It never works to make changes to please others. You must make changes, if changes need to be made, to please yourself. Only then will you be able to stick to your guns and reach the goal you set for yourself.

HarmNone thinks fat or skinny is in the eye of the holder, not the beholder

[StrayRogue]

Originally posted by longshot


Don't stress.

You're beautiful.

Agreed *nods*

[HarmNone]

Originally posted by RangerD1

Originally posted by Solkern
i'm 6'1 175, am i skinny or someshit?

Nah not really, your in the ideal weight range. My ideal normal weight is about 190, but because of my job i need to be a little bit more in shape.

Actually, the weight to height ratio is dependent on body build, gender and muscularity. Small framed people will weigh less than those with larger frames. Muscle weighs more than fat.

You can get an idea of whether you have a small frame or a large frame by comparing the size of your wrist with the wrists of others. There are probably numbers values somewhere, but I do not have them at hand.

The weight charts are developed and distributed by insurance companies, for the most part. They go by what their actuaries come up with based on health risk factors, as I understand it. Therefore, the charts are just a guideline and should not be taken as the be-all-end-all. If you have diabetes in your family, you should keep your weight to the low end of your charted spectrum, for instance.

HarmNone does not think anything is absolute for everyone

[Trinitis]

Well, I'm by no means skinny, and I *do* need to loose some pounds. The last few months, I've been doing little to nothing for exercise..but i'm hoping the start of school will help me out with this.

Now, I *always* loose weight when I'm working, cause I'm much more active and such..but since I desided to go to school, and have not been working, I've packed on the pounds.

My plan is to be walking to and from college every day (unless its hot, to which case I'll walk to the bus station, then ride bus to school..and walk home afterwords.) This walk is about 20 min or so each way, so that will put me at about 40 min of walking a day, not including all the walking between classes and such. This should help me quite a bit.

I thought about trying that no carb diet..but honestly, I don't think I could ditch my carbs, I LOVE pasta, breads, and potato's..they are pretty much my fav foods. So, with the added exercise, and watching how much I eat, I hope to slim down, though I dono how long it will take.

-Adredrin

Oh, and I've cut out a lot of soda (I use to drink almost nothing but soda..but since I got this britta water filter jug, I'm drinking a lot of water)

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by HarmNone
It seems to me that if you are happy with yourself as you are, that should be good enough. If you are not happy with yourself, if you feel you are too heavy or too thin, you need to do something about it.

It never works to make changes to please others. You must make changes, if changes need to be made, to please yourself. Only then will you be able to stick to your guns and reach the goal you set for yourself.

HarmNone thinks fat or skinny is in the eye of the holder, not the beholder

Harm's absolutely right. Happiness plays a huge part in how other people will perceive you.

Also, if you check current medical research on obesity, you will find that one of the reasons it's so hard to lose weight if you're obese, or even marginally overweight, is because fat cells never go away once they exist. They can shrink, but they lie beneath the skin, waiting to expand again ( ::Cough...cellulite anyone? Cough:: )

Kranar's gonna blast me for this ::Grins:: but also, genetics plays a big part in where you store fat. Soooooo, you could be 5'5" - 150 lbs and it might all be stored in one place... whereas if you're 5'5" 150 lbs with an hourglass figure, that weight is going to be more evenly distrubted.

The US government pisses me off with their little charts about how much you should weigh and what you should eat. -Talk about giving people complexes. Every person is different. If you look at the statistics for bulemia and other eating disorders, our country is also at the top.

Further, govnt would rather spend however much they spent shovelling resources into making food pyramids that further enforce this image that everyone is the same with the same dietary needs, than to put in sidewalks and places for people to do physical activities.

I could go on about this for hours. I walk at least 3-4 miles a day because I walk to and from class. I like it, but I always have my MP3 player to drown out the cars (I live by a 4-6 lane highway depending on where you are in the road) because I have to walk where there are no sidewalks.

-Melissa

[Edaarin]

HEh. I live about 15 minutes from central grounds, and my schedule sucks (I have two hour breaks between at lesat two or three classes everyday), so I definitely do a lot of walking. And I get dragged to the gym three times a week and tennis on weekends (but that's stopping the second it gets cold out).

My only problem right now is living so far from the dining halls, we order out a lot.

[quoteFurther, govnt would rather spend however much they spent shovelling resources into making food pyramids that further enforce this image that everyone is the same with the same dietary needs, than to put in sidewalks and places for people to do physical activities.
[/quote]

That has to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

So now its the governments fault because they don't provide enough SPACE for you to work out? Come on. The countries prison population should be enough to discredit that notion.

I could create somebody a work out plan that would rip em up and they'd never have to leave their bedroom.

[ElanthianSiren]

Originally posted by RangerD1
[quoteFurther, govnt would rather spend however much they spent shovelling resources into making food pyramids that further enforce this image that everyone is the same with the same dietary needs, than to put in sidewalks and places for people to do physical activities.


That has to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

So now its the governments fault because they don't provide enough SPACE for you to work out? Come on. The countries prison population should be enough to discredit that notion.

I could create somebody a work out plan that would rip em up and they'd never have to leave their bedroom. [/quote]


If you have nowhere to do physical activities and can't afford equipment like Maim said, your only option is to go outside. Look at other countries like Denmark, which biking and physical activity are encouraged and where those facilities are also encouraged.

My point was that americans are much more in love with cars (in general) than other countries are, so we build accordingly. If you saw how much govnt spends each year on expanding highways, your heart would stop beating. Compare that vis a vis to what other countries spend a year ensuring ulterior modes are safe AND convenient for their citizens.

Prisons are equipped with better work out equipment than most any of us could ever afford (and cable tv! woot! I need to get arrested!) so that's a bad comparison; also taking as your subject pool prison vs. american public as a whole it seems would drastically skew your data, but whatever.

-Melissa

[GSLeloo]

Being overweight was a sign of good fortune because it meant you were wealthy enough to eat a lot of food.

[Artha]

So was being pale, because it meant you didn't need to go outside and do work.


-Powder.

[Faellyn]

There are 2 other factors to consider. If you were undernourished as a child, your body was "taught" to hoard calories against the days that there wouldn't be enough. Your body never unlearns this behaviour, and my father who was very thin until after he married my mother, now has a weight problem he's not happy about (not unhappy enough to do anything about it though).

Another one is that IF no matter what you do, you are going to be larger than average, is it worth going through a lot of dieting and exercise to remain chunky? Some people are genetically predisposed... The only way to make them thin is to literally starve them and I'm talking concentration camp starving, not American starving. Unless health is a serious factor, like you have high blood pressure, or a heart condition, it's probably not worth it to you to go through all that effort for medium results at best.

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren

Originally posted by RangerD1
[quoteFurther, govnt would rather spend however much they spent shovelling resources into making food pyramids that further enforce this image that everyone is the same with the same dietary needs, than to put in sidewalks and places for people to do physical activities.


That has to be the stupidest thing i've ever heard.

So now its the governments fault because they don't provide enough SPACE for you to work out? Come on. The countries prison population should be enough to discredit that notion.

I could create somebody a work out plan that would rip em up and they'd never have to leave their bedroom.


If you have nowhere to do physical activities and can't afford equipment like Maim said, your only option is to go outside. Look at other countries like Denmark, which biking and physical activity are encouraged and where those facilities are also encouraged.

My point was that americans are much more in love with cars (in general) than other countries are, so we build accordingly. If you saw how much govnt spends each year on expanding highways, your heart would stop beating. Compare that vis a vis to what other countries spend a year ensuring ulterior modes are safe AND convenient for their citizens.

Prisons are equipped with better work out equipment than most any of us could ever afford (and cable tv! woot! I need to get arrested!) so that's a bad comparison; also taking as your subject pool prison vs. american public as a whole it seems would drastically skew your data, but whatever.

-Melissa [/quote]

Did you miss the last paragraph in my post. You don't need state of the art work out equipment to get in shape.

If you want i could tell you all kinds of ways to gain muscle, lose fat that doesn't involve you picking up a single piece of bought equipment.

How much America spends on its highways is immaterial to a discussion on obesity.

Hell, make use of em and go running down the side of em.

Originally posted by Faellyn
There are 2 other factors to consider. If you were undernourished as a child, your body was "taught" to hoard calories against the days that there wouldn't be enough. Your body never unlearns this behaviour, and my father who was very thin until after he married my mother, now has a weight problem he's not happy about (not unhappy enough to do anything about it though).

Another one is that IF no matter what you do, you are going to be larger than average, is it worth going through a lot of dieting and exercise to remain chunky? Some people are genetically predisposed... The only way to make them thin is to literally starve them and I'm talking concentration camp starving, not American starving. Unless health is a serious factor, like you have high blood pressure, or a heart condition, it's probably not worth it to you to go through all that effort for medium results at best.

Only problem is that people hear that, and assume they are one of the few who cannot become thin without literally starving themselves, and use that as a justification to not do anything.

[ElanthianSiren]

Did you not read my post and note that I walk 4 miles a day cuz I choose to? Based on this experience, I am saying... in my opinion, if it was nicer/easier to walk around in this country, maybe less people would be obese. I have lived both on the east coast, the midwest, and deep in the sticks. I loved walking in the country.

I then brought up the fact that other countries don't have near the obeisity problem that we have in america and hypothesized that it is because they take care to ensure that citizens have places to walk/bike and do physical activities.

I'd say it's pertinent to the discussion of our country's weight problems to compare our citizens to other countries. Perhaps you do not or would you prefer to argue about known statistics fingering America as one of the (if not the) fattest nation in the world?

-Melissa

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
Did you not read my post and note that I walk 4 miles a day cuz I choose to? Based on this experience, I am saying... in my opinion, if it was nicer/easier to walk around in this country, maybe less people would be obese. I have lived both on the east coast, the midwest, and deep in the sticks. I loved walking in the country.

I then brought up the fact that other countries don't have near the obeisity problem that we have in america and hypothesized that it is because they take care to ensure that citizens have places to walk/bike and do physical activities.

I'd say it's pertinent to the discussion of our country's weight problems to compare our citizens to other countries. Perhaps you do not or would you prefer to argue about known statistics fingering America as one of the (if not the) fattest nation in the world?

-Melissa

Sounds like an excuse to me. Anyway you go, somebody is not gonna like walking in the area thats immediately available.

If thats their reason for not losing weight...then thats just *gasp* Lazy.

I'd be willing to venture that anyone who claims they don't do anything because they don't like the "Scenary" is jus looking for an excuse to do nothing.

[GS4Gurl]

Originally posted by ElanthianSiren
Did you not read my post and note that I walk 4 miles a day cuz I choose to? Based on this experience, I am saying... in my opinion, if it was nicer/easier to walk around in this country, maybe less people would be obese. I have lived both on the east coast, the midwest, and deep in the sticks. I loved walking in the country.

I then brought up the fact that other countries don't have near the obeisity problem that we have in america and hypothesized that it is because they take care to ensure that citizens have places to walk/bike and do physical activities.

I'd say it's pertinent to the discussion of our country's weight problems to compare our citizens to other countries. Perhaps you do not or would you prefer to argue about known statistics fingering America as one of the (if not the) fattest nation in the world?

-Melissa

Other countries are thinner not necessarily because they excercise more, but because of what they eat. My sis lives in Germany. They don't have the fast food places we do. Their grocery stores don't have quick fix microwaveable foods. They have to make everything from scratch. They eat more fruits and vegetables. They have fresh cheese and bread and drink wine. Olive oil and vinegar are used a lot there and are some of the healthiest things on the planet.

It's just what you eat and how much you eat. They eat like six SMALL meals a day. Wheras, a lot of Americans eat two or three large grease laden fast-food meals a day

[Scott]

I just thought this was kind of humorous. This is in no way my view or anything of the sort, it just caught me as funny when I first saw it. I don't think it's true at all......

http://www.freewebs.com/gemstone101/PChumor.JPG

[Edited on 9-21-2003 by Gemstone101]

[Faellyn]

RoFL!!! that was good Gemstone,

I read an editorial one time where an English person was commenting on the size of portions in America, and how they couldn't possibly drink a 32oz drink, and that the supersized fries were gluttonous, etc. This person went on to say that England wasn't the only country with smaller portions and went on to name a bunch of countries in Europe and elsewhere. I guess we're just gluttons... But Hey, go us, we CAN be gluttons. Just don't sue McD's when you can't get into a car to go to the drive thru ;)

I don't buy that my tax dollars are supposed to go to build places to walk, walking is one of those things which can be done anywhere, for free, you don't even need shoes, much less special ones. I live in a city with some beautiful parks. The city has a population of 60,000, and I never see more than a handful of people in them, even the ones with apartment buildings nearby.

[longshot]

When I came back to the U.S. in the Spring, the first thing I noticed was how fucking fat everyone was. I was the only person without a gut in the entire airport.

In a word, it was sickening.

I just read an article that a study showed urban sprawl in America contributes to obesity. Everyone uses their cars to do everything. Nothing is close by.

In Japan, people walk. There is no room for anything. There is no urban sprawl.

In a big city, it costs a fortune to have a car. You want to park at a department store? It will cost you 10 bucks an hour, easy. You walk, or ride a bike.

People here are a lot less accepting of fat people. They will openly describe someone as fat right to their face. A lot of the American and Brit girls that come here share horror stories of being called fat. The fact that they choose to hide in their apartments all day and eat chocolate allows me to give little sympathy to them though...

There are a lot of reasons that contribute to the obesity problem in America. Some of it is lifestyle. Some of it is nutritiion. Some of it lack of physical activity. There seems to be no limit on excuses though.

If you want to change your life, you should read Body-for-LIFE by Bill Phillips. It's an excellent start for anyone looking to change their lives.

[StrayRogue]

LOL Longshot.

[Rorac]

If you want to change your life you don't start by reading a book. If you're fat and you WANT to lose weight, you get up off your fat ass, and jog. Walk only if you have bad knees, but then walk fast. You can do it just about anywhere.

I'm not going to waste too much time on this post, but I have been getting a lot of experience lately in how to lose/keep off weight. My sabumnim talks to a lot of the older, heavier women after the cardio classes which I attend, and I listen in just to see if I can learn anything new.

So if you're one of the obese people here, trying to think of an excuse to type up of why people are obese, and you actually want help in not being obese, feel free to IM me and i'll be glad to help you out. (:

~ The young lad behind Rorac.

[Ravenstorm]

Just happened to notice this in the store and found a graphic online:

http://www.ice-pixie.net/thins/

Notice the food pyramid on the side of the box. What it says below it is this:

~The Food Guide Pyramid shows how to build a healthy diet by eating a variety of foods ach day.

~Wheat Thins are a part of the "Bread, Cereal, Rice and Pasta Group". Nutrition experts recommend eating the most from this important group - 6-11 servings daily.

~Grain foods supply carbohydrates - an excellent source of energy.

The average parent will look at this and most likely believe this is a good, healthy snack for their child. They could even have it a few times a day since 'nutritionists' recommend 6-11 servings a day.

Unfortunately, what the average parent might not take into account is that each of those little crackers has 20 calories. 1 'serving' (7 crackers according to the box) has 140 calories (Harvest Crisp 5 grain variety). Combine that with the implication that you should and can eat a lot of them and is it any wonder childhood obesity is a problem.

This is more of a lesson in learning to look at all the information available but it does also pinpoint just how that food pyramid is a really bad idea.

Oh, and to contradict the last post, yes. Read a book. Learn what's actually good for you and what isn't and in what quantity. The way to lose weight is to change your diet. Not go on a diet but to replace the foods that make you gain weight with ones that don't. If you stay with the same bad eating habits, all the exercise in the world wil do nothing or almost nothing.

Raven

[Edited on 9-23-2003 by Ravenstorm]

[longshot]

Originally posted by Rorac
If you want to change your life you don't start by reading a book. If you're fat and you WANT to lose weight, you get up off your fat ass, and jog. Walk only if you have bad knees, but then walk fast. You can do it just about anywhere.

I'm not going to waste too much time on this post, but I have been getting a lot of experience lately in how to lose/keep off weight. My sabumnim talks to a lot of the older, heavier women after the cardio classes which I attend, and I listen in just to see if I can learn anything new.

So if you're one of the obese people here, trying to think of an excuse to type up of why people are obese, and you actually want help in not being obese, feel free to IM me and i'll be glad to help you out. (:

~ The young lad behind Rorac.

Yeah, don't read a book that teaches you proper nutrition and workout techniques.

Don't read a book that teaches you how to mentally and physically better yourself.

You should learn from fat old ladies that do cardio?

What the fuck are you saying??

[Myshel]

I've been on both sides of the coin, fat and skinny, I can't resist adding my thoughts on this subject. I believe that genetics play a big part of how heavy you are. If your parents are fat you are predisposed to it. Second, back in history humans feasted or had famine according to the seasons, the human whose body was the most efficient at storing and holding on to fat are the ones who lasted though famines. Third, carbs are not our friend and our society eats way to many of them. Give up "white foods"( flour, sugar, rice, pasta, potatoes, processed foods), and see how fast your weight drops. Its true, carb cravings disappear after a few weeks.
Exercise? I work hard at our business 7 days a week. I no longer have a pool guy or a housekeeper or a yard man (can't afford them anymore anyway, so it worked out just fine). I walk the 15 min. to the store instead of hopping in my car, carrying two bags in the Florida heat and a gallon (1%) of milk, a few times a week is my (old life) gym workout, without paying the $20. a month fee.
I'm no long on any meds for diabetes or high blood pressure or high cholesterol. The only pills I take are iron and vitamins. I do drink 3 protein drinks a day and make sure I drink a gallon of water. My diet boring? I eat anything I want even desserts, but instead of a piece of pie, we order one for the table and have a bite. Order a burger? sure.. but eat the meat and fixings forget the bread.
Its the first bite and the last bite you remember all the ones in between are a blur.

Myshel

[Betheny]

Being fat makes you HAPPY!

[Solkern]

jolly!

[Dighn Darkbeam]

I cant stand the bit of fat I have on my stomach and at times under my chin. Whenever I move I feel it. When I run or exercise I can actually feel the extra weight dragging me down.

The worst, the absolute worst was man tits. My god, every day was a nightmare when I had those things. If anything drove me to actively attempt to watch my weight it was having to live with them.

I dont really care about the look of being fat, its the feel that drives me to diet and exercise.

Player of Dighn

Originally posted by longshot

Originally posted by Rorac
If you want to change your life you don't start by reading a book. If you're fat and you WANT to lose weight, you get up off your fat ass, and jog. Walk only if you have bad knees, but then walk fast. You can do it just about anywhere.

I'm not going to waste too much time on this post, but I have been getting a lot of experience lately in how to lose/keep off weight. My sabumnim talks to a lot of the older, heavier women after the cardio classes which I attend, and I listen in just to see if I can learn anything new.

So if you're one of the obese people here, trying to think of an excuse to type up of why people are obese, and you actually want help in not being obese, feel free to IM me and i'll be glad to help you out. (:

~ The young lad behind Rorac.

Yeah, don't read a book that teaches you proper nutrition and workout techniques.

Don't read a book that teaches you how to mentally and physically better yourself.

You should learn from fat old ladies that do cardio?

What the fuck are you saying??


ROFL

[Ravenstorm]

Considering this topic, I just had an urge to rant at the newest commercials Swanson is putting on TV.

You may have seen them. They feature men who are obviously fat or obese promoting their Hungry Man frozen dinners with the tag line 'It's good to be full'. If you ever read the fat and caloric content for just one of them...

Well. And people wonder why obesity is a problem.

Raven

[Rorac]

Books generally = waste of time and money. Most books don't give good sound advice, if you find a couple more power to you, but I haven't seen too many. And if books were all fat people needed to be skinny, there'd be a lot less fat people around, so obviously, the book thing isn't working out.

Most books also don't tend to answer all the questions a person might have, or cover a multitude of bases such as age, weight, weather, and free time to do the exercises. Books also don't tell you some of the easiest ways to exercise without leaving the safety and comfort of your chair.

And, if you were paying attention to my post, you'd realize it's my instructor that I listen to, not the old fat women.

[Edaarin]

Not for the faint of heart. A small examination of Swanson's breakfasts.

http://www.x-entertainment.com/articles/0744/

[Artha]

Holy crap, even I wouldn't touch those things.

[Betheny]

Originally posted by Artha
Holy crap, even I wouldn't touch those things.

Yeah, I'm not reading most of this thread because it really pisses me off when people get down on other people because of their weight.

[Rorac]

My aunt is fat, she shits herself. I think it's funny. Does that make me a bad person?

[Camri]

Originally posted by Rorac
My aunt is fat, she shits herself. I think it's funny. Does that make me a bad person?

No, that makes you a sick person.

[Rorac]

Originally posted by Camri

Originally posted by Rorac
My aunt is fat, she shits herself. I think it's funny. Does that make me a bad person?

No, that makes you a sick person.


She shit on the floor in the bathroom at my cousins birthday party... I think that's funny to.

Originally posted by Maimara

Originally posted by Artha
Holy crap, even I wouldn't touch those things.

Yeah, I'm not reading most of this thread because it really pisses me off when people get down on other people because of their weight.

Maybe if you read what you quoted your response would make some sense.