Official: Reim Lag

[Methais]

Uh-oh! I posted too much truth on the forums this time and got an official warning!

The post in question:



And that really set Aulis off apparently:

Aulis has always been a cunt so that’s not surprising.

You should hit up feedback anyway. :lol:

[Fortybox]

They've been targeting certain players over the past 6 months. The lootcap was b/c of Jahmilli. Now Dreaven. Before all of that they axed Path but he arose in glory after going to prison for 6 months.

[bunnymustdie]

They've been targeting certain players over the past 6 months. The lootcap was b/c of Jahmilli. Now Dreaven. Before all of that they axed Path but he arose in glory after going to prison for 6 months.

I don't really get it. People bot DR with 3 character groups (multiple 3 character groups in the case of one player I observed) and make thousands of USD worth of money off of each DR. Why not go after those?

[Fortybox]

I don't really get it. People bot DR with 3 character groups (multiple 3 character groups in the case of one player I observed) and make thousands of USD worth of money off of each DR. Why not go after those?

Because Simu gets their cut too. They get nothing with Jahmilli's silver farming or Dreaven's spell ups.

[Neveragain]

There's a reason we stopped using hieroglyphics, it's the same reason we stopped using spaghetti code.

In other words their language is fucking ancient.

And now Aulis is on your ass, you may as well hang it up. He's a persistent faggot that plays favorites like no other GM.

Let's face it, they have broken every fucking cardinal rule that they used to mentor.

[Neveragain]

Wait...what, they added a fucking spellup NPC?

Wow....I guess that's one way to mmo.... :cringe:

[gilchristr]

"I don't really get it. People bot DR with 3 character groups (multiple 3 character groups in the case of one player I observed) and make thousands of USD worth of money off of each DR. Why not go after those?"


DERP???

[Tgo01]

Wait...what, they added a fucking spellup NPC?

Wow....I guess that's one way to mmo.... :cringe:

Because they are fixing lag! If you’re one of the idiots who believes this nonsense from the GMs.

[Luntz]

shut up mini hitler

[Tgo01]

Wyrom a few days ago:


I've stated that it's not about how many people are in game. It's about how many people are in a room.

Estild a few minutes ago:


They're compounding issues that become significantly more prevalent when almost 1,000 characters are online.

I'm really beginning to think I've been unfair to Estild during all of this. It sure as shit seems like Wyrom is the one lying to cover up DR being the source of the lag and is ordering all of these changes to "fix" the problem. Estild was probably told to put in a dumb table limit and this dumb NPC idea, Wyrom seemed to take it personally when I called out the 100 table cap was bullshit.

Can Wyrom just stop lying for 2 fucking minutes or what?

[Methais]

They're compounding issues that become significantly more prevalent when almost 1,000 characters are online.

Remember when GS had 2000 players online in dial-up days?

[Tgo01]

Remember when GS had 2000 players online in dial-up days?

Apparently the current crop of GMs don't.

[gilchristr]

"Remember when GS had 2000 players online in dial-up days?"

Yes. I bet the lag is from everyone having a "pet" all making room ambient bullshit at the same time.

[gemstonefella]

The lag in those days was horrendous. Way worse than now.

[Gelston]

The lag was complete shit back then, we were just used to it because we all had slow ass internet.

[caelric]

Even odds on whether the Invoker, six months down the line, will cost Simucoins, or silvers (based on level, to act as a silver sink).

Oh, who am I kidding. It's overwhelming odds in favor of Simucoins.

[Gelston]

Even odds on whether the Invoker, six months down the line, will cost Simucoins, or silvers (based on level, to act as a silver sink).

Oh, who am I kidding. It's overwhelming odds in favor of Simucoins.

I think it should be a silver sink, not simucoins though.

[Tgo01]

Even odds on whether the Invoker, six months down the line, will cost Simucoins, or silvers (based on level, to act as a silver sink).

Oh, who am I kidding. It's overwhelming odds in favor of Simucoins.

A few people on Discord are already saying they will gladly upgrade to premium if they put the invoker on FWI.

I shit you not.

No way the invoker is gonna remain free or just cost silvers.

[Gelston]

A few people on Discord are already saying they will gladly upgrade to premium if they put the invoker on FWI.

I shit you not.

Has there been any official post about this yet?

[Tgo01]

Has there been any official post about this yet?

Not as far as I can tell. The GMs are probably gauging to see how popular the invoker is before they come out with an official post.

There is some talk the invoker might just stick around through DR, but seeing as people are already begging Simutronics to charge them another 25 bucks a month to keep the invoker around I'm sure it's gonna be 24/7/365.

[Methais]

The lag in those days was horrendous. Way worse than now.

There was a longer input delay because everyone was on dial-up.

Meanwhile in 2021, I have to literally stop hunting on a HoA night because the game becomes unplayable.

I'm just saying that Estild crying about 1000 people being online in 2021 sounds pretty stupid when the game had twice as many people online 24 years ago with everyone on dial-up.

[caelric]

A few people on Discord are already saying they will gladly upgrade to premium if they put the invoker on FWI.


Bootlickers gonna lick boots.

But yeah, I didn't even think about it being a Premium perk, but that makes total sense.

[Gelston]

There was a longer input delay because everyone was on dial-up.

Meanwhile in 2021, I have to literally stop hunting on a HoA night because the game becomes unplayable.

I'm just saying that Estild crying about 1000 people being online in 2021 sounds pretty stupid when the game had twice as many people online 24 years ago with everyone on dial-up.

That was GS3 though. This is GS4. That means 4x the lag.

[Methais]

That was GS3 though. This is GS4. That means 4x the lag.

Oh yeah. My bad. I forgot.

[SoulSeer]

a spell bot... wow that's one way of saying f*** rp'ing. And of course it's DR causing the lag right now, it's obvious.

[Skeletor]

Estild was never around for the AOL days and hence never seen the 2000+ pop numbers. He'a a nub.

[Methais]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/35EpkElYuNCaXzLXNA/200.gif

[Melivn]

There was a longer input delay because everyone was on dial-up.

Meanwhile in 2021, I have to literally stop hunting on a HoA night because the game becomes unplayable.

I'm just saying that Estild crying about 1000 people being online in 2021 sounds pretty stupid when the game had twice as many people online 24 years ago with everyone on dial-up.

If you have 20 or more people in reim now in a room you dont get spawns. We just run a few groups of 10 in diffrent rooms to help with this.

[Fortybox]

If you have 20 or more people in reim now in a room you dont get spawns. We just run a few groups of 10 in diffrent rooms to cyber and enchant coraesine.

Ftfy

[caelric]

What's the minimum level requirement for the cybering?

69.

[Shaps]

Could part of the issue be... back in the day there were fewer scripts run by fewer people, and because of typing speed, commands to the system were slower overall - and therefore it caused less lag?

Whereas now hundreds of users at script speed is sending multiple commands to the system all at once causing bunching? A practical example/question: Would DR cause lag if no scripting were allowed in it and everyone had to type each individual command?

I'm not a computer expert, and not advocating in any way shape or form to remove scripts - just asking for a better understanding of it.

[Tgo01]

Could part of the issue be... back in the day there were fewer scripts run by fewer people, and because of typing speed, commands to the system were slower overall - and therefore it caused less lag?

Whereas now hundreds of users at script speed is sending multiple commands to the system all at once causing bunching? A practical example/question: Would DR cause lag if no scripting were allowed in it and everyone had to type each individual command?

I'm not a computer expert, and not advocating in any way shape or form to remove scripts - just asking for a better understanding of it.

I would imagine it would depend on what the command is.

If you're just doing INFO for example I imagine that doesn't strain the server too much, even if everyone in the game were doing it at the same time.

If however you're attacking a critter or moving through a room or LOOKing in a room with a bunch of players or items on the ground then yeah a script running through a hunting area is probably going to cause more strain on the system than someone manually walking through the hunting area as most people did back in the day.

Likewise back in the day even when there were ~2000 people logged on a lot of them were resting in TC, or chilling at a table, or talking with some friends at one of their private homes, etc. But when DR is on there are a lot of people who are just constantly spamming their attacks all at the same time, even if they aren't in the same room this is going to put strain on the server.

I would also imagine a company with the resources of Simutronics would have made some huge improvements with their servers of the decades, but of course that's just silly.

[Gelston]

I would imagine it would depend on what the command is.

If you're just doing INFO for example I imagine that doesn't strain the server too much, even if everyone in the game were doing it at the same time.

If however you're attacking a critter or moving through a room or LOOKing in a room with a bunch of players or items on the ground then yeah a script running through a hunting area is probably going to cause more strain on the system than someone manually walking through the hunting area as most people did back in the day.

Likewise back in the day even when there were ~2000 people logged on a lot of them were resting in TC, or chilling at a table, or talking with some friends at one of their private homes, etc. But when DR is on there are a lot of people who are just constantly spamming their attacks all at the same time, even if they aren't in the same room this is going to put strain on the server.

I would also imagine a company with the resources of Simutronics would have made some huge improvements with their servers of the decades, but of course that's just silly.

Their new mech game was in the top ten for Popular Upcoming on Steam a few days ago.

[Shaps]

Their new mech game was in the top ten for Popular Upcoming on Steam a few days ago.

Are those run on the same servers as Gemstone or are they new ones? I would assume new ones and I have no idea on the inner workings of Gemstone servers.

Wild idea - what would it take to upgrade the servers? If they brought the game offline for a week and did a full server upgrade, would that benefit? Would it even be worth it from a cost/benefit ratio?

[Taernath]

Their new mech game was in the top ten for Popular Upcoming on Steam a few days ago.

I'm waiting for Simutronics to make a mage riding a dragon piloting a mech game.

[Tgo01]

Their new mech game was in the top ten for Popular Upcoming on Steam a few days ago.

It looks kind of cool, I just don't think it's going to do too well considering there are FPS games out there like Overwatch, Counterstrike, Call of Duty, some others I'm forgetting.

[Gelston]

Are those run on the same servers as Gemstone or are they new ones? I would assume new ones and I have no idea on the inner workings of Gemstone servers.

Wild idea - what would it take to upgrade the servers? If they brought the game offline for a week and did a full server upgrade, would that benefit? Would it even be worth it from a cost/benefit ratio?

Probably using Steam server for that game. They've upgraded the servers in the past. Not really a noticeable difference.


It looks kind of cool, I just don't think it's going to do too well considering there are FPS games out there like Overwatch, Counterstrike, Call of Duty, some others I'm forgetting.

If it is free with microtrans it'd probably do alright.

[drumpel]

I would imagine it would depend on what the command is.

If you're just doing INFO for example I imagine that doesn't strain the server too much, even if everyone in the game were doing it at the same time.

If however you're attacking a critter or moving through a room or LOOKing in a room with a bunch of players or items on the ground then yeah a script running through a hunting area is probably going to cause more strain on the system than someone manually walking through the hunting area as most people did back in the day.

Likewise back in the day even when there were ~2000 people logged on a lot of them were resting in TC, or chilling at a table, or talking with some friends at one of their private homes, etc. But when DR is on there are a lot of people who are just constantly spamming their attacks all at the same time, even if they aren't in the same room this is going to put strain on the server.

I would also imagine a company with the resources of Simutronics would have made some huge improvements with their servers of the decades, but of course that's just silly.

Oh no. You just gave the GMs a new idea. They want to monetize things, right? They'll take this full mobile wannabe!


Now introducing COMBAT ENERGY!

Everyone gets 100 COMBAT ENERGY. Every creature killed reduces your COMBAT ENERGY by 1 point, this includes AOE spells that kills multiple targets (such as 950).

Don't you worry because COMBAT ENERGY does regenerate over time. Every 5 minutes your COMBAT ENERGY goes up by 1 point.

COMBAT ENERGY restoration potions can be purchased from the SimuCoin store for 1,000 coins!

[Tgo01]

Oh no. You just gave the GMs a new idea. They want to monetize things, right? They'll take this full mobile wannabe!


Now introducing COMBAT ENERGY!

Everyone gets 100 COMBAT ENERGY. Every creature killed reduces your COMBAT ENERGY by 1 point, this includes AOE spells that kills multiple targets (such as 950).

Don't you worry because COMBAT ENERGY does regenerate over time. Every 5 minutes your COMBAT ENERGY goes up by 1 point.

COMBAT ENERGY restoration potions can be purchased from the SimuCoin store for 1,000 coins!

2 years ago I would see this as a joke, but honestly I wouldn't put it past the GMs at this point.

They've already done so much to "fix lag" and put a cap on how much silver people can earn, might as well go full free-mobile-game mode and introduce energy all while claiming they are doing this to fix the lag.

I can see the DR auction items already: "2 times per day you can instantly refill all of your energy!"

[Gelston]

Oh no. You just gave the GMs a new idea. They want to monetize things, right? They'll take this full mobile wannabe!


Now introducing COMBAT ENERGY!

Everyone gets 100 COMBAT ENERGY. Every creature killed reduces your COMBAT ENERGY by 1 point, this includes AOE spells that kills multiple targets (such as 950).

Don't you worry because COMBAT ENERGY does regenerate over time. Every 5 minutes your COMBAT ENERGY goes up by 1 point.

COMBAT ENERGY restoration potions can be purchased from the SimuCoin store for 1,000 coins!

A lot of old muds did the monetization thing with skill points. You'd only get a certain number to traina day and then you'd have to wait or pay money to unlock more. None of those muds were ever as immersive or as large as GS though, yet they still had their players doing it.

[Tgo01]

I love Discord.

Me: I think the reason for the invoker was alluded to on the official forums: people felt pressured to leave quests/storylines/etc to grab spells at a Dreavening and the GMs decided to create the invoker and have him around during special occasions so people wouldn't feel pressured to leave these events early. Problem is they saw how popular the demand for spells was firsthand and now it's kind of hard to just take that on demand access to spells away.

Person 1 in regards to why the invoker is only in the Landing: its because in other towns dreaven didnt do the full spell up sessions, they've already said that

Person 2: The tl;dr summary is that Dreaven continues to believe the invoker was created to persecute him, and wants us to know that he doesn’t care.

This is right up there with "This is all the fault of Dreavenings! Why are you taking this so personally?"

Not sure why I even bothered to try and reason with the sycophants.

Almost 3 weeks after the invoker was introduced and Dreavenings still pull about half of what they used to. Sometimes we even see 70 people at the table. I now track how many people show up just for the pre-services and sometimes with those people combined with the people who stay for the spells it's about the same number of people pre-invoker.

The haters are gonna hate this but my Patreon hasn't really gone down all that much. In fact looking at the history of my earnings on Patreon I had a big jump in April of 2020 which then had a slow climb until it peaked in August of 2020 then it's been a pretty steady decline ever since then, and March follows the decline pretty spot on since August.

It's almost looking like a lot of people started playing during the lockdowns and as the lockdowns eased up people quit the game and thus dropped support for my Patreon, which of course they would if they no longer play the game.

Just my two cents. I am very appreciative of the people who still support my Patreon and I'll continue to do Dreavenings and offer pre-services and keep adding to the services as long as people still show up and continue to support me.

[drauz]

Narrator: He cared.

[Tgo01]

Narrator: He cared.

Oh you’re Melvin on Discord?

[Taernath]

I take it the invoker is permanent now?

[Tgo01]

I take it the invoker is permanent now?

GMs still haven’t said anything one way or another as far as I know, but it’s looking like the invoker is permanent. People are asking for an invoker in each city and plat but the GMs have so far shot all those requests down.

[Ashlander]

GMs still haven’t said anything one way or another as far as I know, but it’s looking like the invoker is permanent. People are asking for an invoker in each city and plat but the GMs have so far shot all those requests down.

Sounds like it's time to franchise Dreavenings into the other towns.

[Tgo01]

Sounds like it's time to franchise Dreavenings into the other towns.

I am really considering it. Someone on Discord said the GMs have stated they specifically put the invoker in Landing and no other cities or plat because that's where I was doing Dreavenings so maybe I can do these people a favor and start doing Dreavenings in other cities so the GMs can put in an invoker for them :p

I wouldn't abandon the Landing as like I said I still get a lot of people at Dreavenings, I would probably hold Dreavenings in both cities, not sure how I would do that though. I do have a lot of banked free Chronomage tickets.

[drauz]

Oh you’re Melvin on Discord?

No, but it's true.

Melivn is Melivn.

[bunnymustdie]

I love Discord...

The culture on the discord channel have evolved to one that's sometimes pretty unpleasant and cliquish. I've mostly stopped keeping up with it. Playing the actual game, which I enjoy, is very different from talking about the game with a bunch of autists on a discord server anyway. Take a break from discord, it'll do you good.


GMs still haven’t said anything one way or another as far as I know, but it’s looking like the invoker is permanent. People are asking for an invoker in each city and plat but the GMs have so far shot all those requests down.

The invoker is really convenient, so much so that I don't need my wizard alt nearly as much anymore, and I've been toying with the idea of consolidating all my characters into a single account. Once they confirm whether the NPC is permanent I'll be able to better make my decision then.


I would probably hold Dreavenings in both cities, not sure how I would do that though.

Do a skeleton crew Dreavening with just a wizard, a spiritualist caster and maybe a warrior for armor support.

[caelric]

The culture on the discord channel have evolved to one that's sometimes pretty unpleasant and cliquish.

The culture on the discord channel is sycophancy to an extreme level.

[Tgo01]

The culture on the discord channel have evolved to one that's sometimes pretty unpleasant and cliquish. I've mostly stopped keeping up with it. Playing the actual game, which I enjoy, is very different from talking about the game with a bunch of autists on a discord server anyway. Take a break from discord, it'll do you good.

I don't spend much time on Discord at all, I usually check it a couple of times a day to see if anyone needs help with one of my scripts and if anyone has sent me any private messages. I just noticed this discussion about Dreavenings and the invoker yesterday while I was looking for people who might have mentioned one of my scripts. I can't help but think I'm not missing a whole lot by not being very active on Discord.


Once they confirm whether the NPC is permanent I'll be able to better make my decision then.

I can't help but think this is a big reason why the GMs haven't said anything one way or the other. Right now it's Schrodinger's invoker; the invoker can "fix the lag issue" but since the GMs won't comment on whether or not the invoker is permanent (since they said on the officials the invoker would just come out for special occasions) they can keep spell bot alt accounts active because people don't want to cancel their accounts only to find out the invoker disappears tomorrow.

But who even knows what the GMs are up to these days. I certainly didn't think the people who quibble and debate over weather or not the warrior warcry Seanette's Shout shouldn't give an extra +5 AS due to game balance would be the same people who create a permanent invoker that gives people +100 DS, +15AS and other assorted bonuses instantly at any time of the day.

[Tgo01]

The culture on the discord channel is sycophancy to an extreme level.

It really is crazy. I see the exact same people who have been giving me shit for years because Dreavenings "make the game too easy" now openly praise the GMs for creating the invoker.

[Luntz]

I'd rather get my spells from an npc than a whiny begging mini-Hitler any day.

[Tgo01]

I'd rather get my spells from an npc than a whiny begging mini-Hitler any day.

Your jealousy has been noted.

[caelric]

I'd rather get my spells from an npc than a whiny begging mini-Hitler any day.

Paging Mr. Godwin, paging Mr Godwin. Your law is needed.

[Lysandus]

Discord is full of yes-men. The game cannot improve with all these fucktards trying to squeeze RL money from the game.

[Taernath]

The culture on the discord channel have evolved to one that's sometimes pretty unpleasant and cliquish. I've mostly stopped keeping up with it. Playing the actual game, which I enjoy, is very different from talking about the game with a bunch of autists on a discord server anyway. Take a break from discord, it'll do you good.

It's a combination of discord/chat room culture, the echo chamber of the officials, and about 30 years of encouraging players to be bestest buddies with staff members.


The invoker is really convenient, so much so that I don't need my wizard alt nearly as much anymore, and I've been toying with the idea of consolidating all my characters into a single account. Once they confirm whether the NPC is permanent I'll be able to better make my decision then.

Yeah, same.

[audioserf]

Discord is full of yes-men. The game cannot improve with all these fucktards trying to squeeze RL money from the game.

You were a creepy piece of shit who on top of posting the dumbest inane bullshit “proposals” got driven off discord for posting a meme using a IRL photo of a GM but yeah it was all their fault. Makes sense you’d come here to try post through it

[drauz]

Discord is full of yes-men. The game cannot improve with all these fucktards trying to squeeze RL money from the game.

Oh hi Murrandii

[drauz]

You were a creepy piece of shit who on top of posting the dumbest inane bullshit “proposals” got driven off discord for posting a meme using a IRL photo of a GM but yeah it was all their fault. Makes sense you’d come here to try post through it

He just changed his discord name, its cheeseburger#2238 now.

[Lysandus]

You were a creepy piece of shit who on top of posting the dumbest inane bullshit “proposals” got driven off discord for posting a meme using a IRL photo of a GM but yeah it was all their fault. Makes sense you’d come here to try post through it

Nah bruh, I think you're the problem. You always were and will be the problem. You know it's true.

[Neveragain]

The game cannot improve with all these fucktards trying to squeeze RL money from the game.

Had this discussion the other night during a live stream and I brought up the $20,000 text boots. My question was, after bringing up $20,000 text boots, why should the consumer continue to sit on the sideline?

I have been spending a good deal of time playing Elite Dangerous. In the 6 weeks or so that I have been playing, I have mapped out 6 star systems that have never been mapped out by a player, the game has been out for 5 years. In the 5 years since the "games" release less than 2% of the map has been discovered. One of my followers was talking about how he had just got back to the "bubble" after spending 3 months out in uncharted areas of the universe.

We are no longer playing "games" at this point. Once these AAA companies figure out that by going more towards open source they stand to make more money through auction house service fees and in game cash to game currency exchanges, we won't be going back.

The gaming market is expected to surpass $138 billion globally in 2021, these numbers are only going to multiply the closer we get to AI. The old curmudgeons position of "cash sales hurt the industry" is one that the consumer can no longer take while the game producers have chosen to go the rout of $20,000 text boots. There needs to be actual value given to $20,000 boots that are literally produced out of thin air otherwise. The leather for those fuckers should have been procured from some bad ass mother fucking dragon that takes 200 people to kill.

[Methais]

The biggest problem with GS is the same GMs in charge of core game dev are also in charge of the P2W game while being motivated by getting a cut of P2W sales, which I’m sure is way more than anything they make for core game dev, if they make anything worth mentioning at all for core dev, which is probably the same beer & pizza money it’s been for decades.

Simu pretends that they don’t “balance” things around pay events, but that’s already been proven to be bullshit a million times over.

Separate core dev and P2W dev and the game will be much better off.

The current devs aren’t worried about the game’s integrity. They’re worried about how much they can bleed out of it before everyone quits and all that are left are whales who will also eventually get bored when there aren’t any non-whales left to try and impress with their overrated and overpriced whale gear.

Every profession will be hugely nerfed a year from now.

[Tgo01]

The biggest problem with GS is the same GMs in charge of core game dev are also in charge of the P2W game while being motivated by getting a cut of P2W sales, which I’m sure is way more than anything they make for core game dev, if they make anything worth mentioning at all for core dev, which is probably the same beer & pizza money it’s been for decades.

Simu pretends that they don’t “balance” things around pay events, but that’s already been proven to be bullshit a million times over.

That is pretty crazy. Didn't they release a monk/minor mental spell on a paid item and didn't even give the spell to monks? Or something like that?

[Lysandus]

The game is about sucking money from people with nostalgia issues or frankly who are depressed or have other mental illness and need a outlet.

There's nothing wrong with it as long as they, Simutronics, don't abuse these people. And that's where the problem is: I think they are abusing them and they know full well they are.

There is no super rich guy buying $20k text boots. I work with ultra-wealthy clients in my job as a concierge manager at a resort, I over-hear a lot of mind-blowing things and I have serious doubts some multi-gazillionaire giving 2 shits about this text game, nostalgia or not.

However, I do think there are middle-class people who have serious mental illness issues that are being exploited in this game. And that's where the game becomes.... evil.

I wish GemStone can evolve into something better than a de facto asylum for mild mental cases but as long as he money rolls in I doubt that will happen.

[caelric]

who are depressed or have other mental illness and need a outlet..

How ironic.

[Lysandus]

How ironic.

It's not funny dude.

I've known people who had gambling issues, blew all their savings, and "checked out".

Sure, these people should get help but a game knowing full well that these people exist should not sit there and try to exploit the fuck out of them. It's wrong and it's evil.

[caelric]

No, it's ironic, because you are the dude with serious mental issues.

[Lysandus]

No, it's ironic, because you are the dude with serious mental issues.

OK sure, whatever you say, knock yourself out.

Still isn't funny. It's still fucked up. That doesn't change.

[caelric]

Sure, murandii, whatever you say.

[Methais]

That is pretty crazy. Didn't they release a monk/minor mental spell on a paid item and didn't even give the spell to monks? Or something like that?

1206, a bolt spell, with the reasoning “No monks can’t really use this, but if Savants existed they’d use it therefore it’s ok to put this spell here!”

Then everyone was like “I bet they sell a SK for this at the next DR.”

And then they literally sold I think two SK 1206 items at the next DR.

Estild gets butthurt whenever he gets called out on it. Mainly because he’s cancer.

[Tgo01]

1206, a bolt spell, with the reasoning “No monks can’t really use this, but if Savants existed they’d use it therefore it’s ok to put this spell here!”

Then everyone was like “I bet they sell a SK for this at the next DR.”

And then they literally sold I think two SK 1206 items at the next DR.

Estild gets butthurt whenever he gets called out on it. Mainly because he’s cancer.

I wanna say they pulled similar shenanigans with haste. Like they nerfed wizard's haste then sold some item that was like a more powerful haste, or something. I mean yeah like you said it wouldn't be so bad if these GMs didn't have a financial incentive to nerf core abilities then sell these same abilities at a paid event.

[Methais]

I wanna say they pulled similar shenanigans with haste. Like they nerfed wizard's haste then sold some item that was like a more powerful haste, or something. I mean yeah like you said it wouldn't be so bad if these GMs didn't have a financial incentive to nerf core abilities then sell these same abilities at a paid event.

They did it again recently with Shroud of Deception (1212). I don't remember if a SK went out for it yet or not though, but it's the current legendary that's in the feeder, and I'm sure a SK won't be far off.

They apparently did the same thing with 1205 at BMC, which is also useless now since the loot cap defeats the purpose of things like Trading.

The 1200s circle is literally becoming Estild's dumping ground for making new spells that are useless for monks, just so he can flip them as SK items for cash.

I don't know wtf Wyrom is doing, but I have no clue anymore what the purpose of "Product Manager" is, because Estild is effectively the one calling the shots on all the things that matter and have actual (usually negative) impacts on the players and the direction and quality of the game as a whole.

[Lysandus]

Estild controls Discord as well. I think the only power he doesn't have is the fire/hire over staff although I'm sure he's got influence here as well.

https://i.imgflip.com/51tj64.gif

[drauz]

Estild controls Discord as well. I think the only power he doesn't have is the fire/hire over staff although I'm sure he's got influence here as well.

https://i.imgflip.com/51tj64.gif

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/200.gif

[Fortybox]

https://media1.giphy.com/media/l4Ki2obCyAQS5WhFe/200.gif

He’s an idiot but that meme made me laff.

[Fortybox]

Oh hi Murrandii

That’s not him. Lrn2french.

[Fortybox]

They did it again recently with Shroud of Deception (1212). I don't remember if a SK went out for it yet or not though, but it's the current legendary that's in the feeder, and I'm sure a SK won't be far off.

They apparently did the same thing with 1205 at BMC, which is also useless now since the loot cap defeats the purpose of things like Trading.

The 1200s circle is literally becoming Estild's dumping ground for making new spells that are useless for monks, just so he can flip them as SK items for cash.

I don't know wtf Wyrom is doing, but I have no clue anymore what the purpose of "Product Manager" is, because Estild is effectively the one calling the shots on all the things that matter and have actual (usually negative) impacts on the players and the direction and quality of the game as a whole.

Wyrom has been more absent as of late. Tivvy is largely in charge of DR now and it got pretty retarded.

They blamed lag in the locksmith pool this afternoon too.

I wonder who they are going to cancel next.

[Tgo01]

They blamed lag in the locksmith pool this afternoon too.

Did they really? Christ what a shitshow they are running lately. What really gets me is the people who continue to go along with this shit. They're just like trained seals. "Oh there's lag? Oh look over here! Here is the problem! Oh wait, still lag? Oh look over there! There is the problem now!" For things that have never been an issue.

[drumpel]

Did they really? Christ what a shitshow they are running lately. What really gets me is the people who continue to go along with this shit. They're just like trained seals. "Oh there's lag? Oh look over here! Here is the problem! Oh wait, still lag? Oh look over there! There is the problem now!" For things that have never been an issue.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6eb9f277428aede111af84360511933a/tenor.gif?itemid=20759863

[audioserf]

Invoker is gone

[Rinualdo]

Did they really? Christ what a shitshow they are running lately. What really gets me is the people who continue to go along with this shit. They're just like trained seals. "Oh there's lag? Oh look over here! Here is the problem! Oh wait, still lag? Oh look over there! There is the problem now!" For things that have never been an issue.

What was actually said:

Naijin — Yesterday at 6:38 PM
The sorting operation is the primary issue.


Estild — Yesterday at 6:40 PM
See Naijin's comment. It doesn't magically sort itself.


Estild — Yesterday at 6:42 PM
Naijin literally just had to update the locksmith pool framework due to the performance hit we noticed as we've recently been delving into potential sources of lag. There's definite and unavoidable performance constraints when you're dealing with a scripting language


Naijin — Yesterday at 6:42 PM
Yeah, I spent a day or so making various updates to improve pool performance. Doing things in GSL isn't like doing them in Go (my favorite language, hiyooooo!). Sometimes things just need a little extra finessing.


So was the lock pool the cause of the game lag?
Naijin — Today at 12:12 AM
Not entirely, it was a contributor though.


Estild — Today at 12:12 AM
It was resource intensive at times. As I noted on the forums: no one player, group of characters, script, system, or any other factor is the sole source of all lag. It's usually numerous contributing factors that cause lag to become an issue

[Tgo01]

What was actually said:

Naijin — Yesterday at 6:38 PM
The sorting operation is the primary issue.


Estild — Yesterday at 6:40 PM
See Naijin's comment. It doesn't magically sort itself.


Estild — Yesterday at 6:42 PM
Naijin literally just had to update the locksmith pool framework due to the performance hit we noticed as we've recently been delving into potential sources of lag. There's definite and unavoidable performance constraints when you're dealing with a scripting language


Naijin — Yesterday at 6:42 PM
Yeah, I spent a day or so making various updates to improve pool performance. Doing things in GSL isn't like doing them in Go (my favorite language, hiyooooo!). Sometimes things just need a little extra finessing.


So was the lock pool the cause of the game lag?
Naijin — Today at 12:12 AM
Not entirely, it was a contributor though.


Estild — Today at 12:12 AM
It was resource intensive at times. As I noted on the forums: no one player, group of characters, script, system, or any other factor is the sole source of all lag. It's usually numerous contributing factors that cause lag to become an issue

That actually sounds reasonable. They actually identified a potential source of lag, fixed the problem without complaining, and are probably now watching to see if it helped. That's all I asked from the very beginning.

[Tgo01]

Invoker is gone

I thought you were joking at first but a lot of people on LNet are saying the same thing, that and I currently have almost 13% of the game's logged on population at my table with 10 minutes before I start spells kind of confirms it too.

I'm both surprised and not surprised. On the one hand they knew a 24/7 invoker was bad for game balance and was probably causing people to close spell up accounts, on the other hand the invoker was really popular.

Like I said on Discord though I'm sure they'll bring the invoker out for events and storylines taking place in Landing, or maybe she's on a schedule now and will come out during prime time hours only. Or maybe it was a mistake she was removed at all and she'll be back permanently later today.

Or maybe the invoker was causing lag so they had to remove her.

[Lysandus]

I thought you were joking at first but a lot of people on LNet are saying the same thing, that and I currently have almost 13% of the game's logged on population at my table with 10 minutes before I start spells kind of confirms it too.

I'm both surprised and not surprised. On the one hand they knew a 24/7 invoker was bad for game balance and was probably causing people to close spell up accounts, on the other hand the invoker was really popular.

Like I said on Discord though I'm sure they'll bring the invoker out for events and storylines taking place in Landing, or maybe she's on a schedule now and will come out during prime time hours only. Or maybe it was a mistake she was removed at all and she'll be back permanently later today.

Or maybe the invoker was causing lag so they had to remove her.

Just don't leave. Don't give into the corporate hate machine!

Link to your patreon.

[Tgo01]

The invoker is back apparently. I figured it was a mistake she was removed.

[Taernath]

Invoker is gone


The invoker is back apparently. I figured it was a mistake she was removed.

https://i.imgur.com/GRffmuX.gif

[Lysandus]

It's temporary. They're testing shit. It's why they never acknowledged or announced the invoker. Most likely Naijin's attempt to see if lag truly comes from Dreavenings.

If I had to take a wild guess a mem leak is causing all the lag.

[Tgo01]

Going by all of the complaints on the officials and Discord by people demanding the invoker be put back I'm really wondering if she was removed by accident or the GMs realized what they had done by creating the invoker then removing her. The invoker was gone for like what, an hour?

I really do wonder what their plans are for the invoker. Why just Landing? What is even the purpose of knowing 401/406/414/etc anymore? If you're in the Landing there is literally no point in knowing these spells. Their lack of communication isn't surprising though, these are GS GMs after all.

[Methais]

Going by all of the complaints on the officials and Discord by people demanding the invoker be put back I'm really wondering if she was removed by accident or the GMs realized what they had done by creating the invoker then removing her. The invoker was gone for like what, an hour?

I really do wonder what their plans are for the invoker. Why just Landing? What is even the purpose of knowing 401/406/414/etc anymore? If you're in the Landing there is literally no point in knowing these spells. Their lack of communication isn't surprising though, these are GS GMs after all.

Get people hooked on the convenience, then start charging Simucoins for it.

[Tgo01]

Get people hooked on the convenience, then start charging Simucoins for it.

It's beginning to make me wonder, not only because of the lack of communication from the GMs but also because while the invoker was gone people were actually asking for the invoker be put on FWI and they would either upgrade to premium or keep their premium because of it.

Again why is the invoker just in the Landing? Unless they want to kill off the rest of the game and just focus on improving the Landing. It really is strange.

Not just the Landing but only prime's Landing.

[Fortybox]

Get people hooked on the convenience, then start charging Simucoins for it.

It was never about lag. Like I said, they want to monetize off of it.

Can't do that, or do it as well, when a player gives spells for free.

Simu sees the huge rona population and their eyes light up with $ signs. Here's some real video captured when they got the idea (might be Naijin??):

https://media.giphy.com/media/BWxvCqk2yOH1hpRN3m/giphy.gif

[Lysandus]

It was never about lag. Like I said, they want to monetize off of it.

Can't do that, or do it as well, when a player gives spells for free.

Simu sees the huge rona population and their eyes light up with $ signs. Here's some real video captured when they got the idea (might be Naijin??):

https://media.giphy.com/media/BWxvCqk2yOH1hpRN3m/giphy.gif

The day that they monetize spell-ups is the day you know they've finally hit peak SimuGreed and that's when you know the game is done.

We'll see how the game fares in the second half of this year as that's when this Rona fuckup finally ends imho.

[Tgo01]

Can't do that, or do it as well, when a player gives spells for free.

Someone on Discord said the GMs didn't try to ban me, except Estild flat out said on the officials that he might have to invoke some POLICY actions against me if I didn't stop doing Dreavenings or drastically reduce the number of people I spelled up, so clearly there was a discussion had about banning or warning me, unless Estild just decides things on his own these days, which is looking more and more to be the case.

[Fortybox]

Someone on Discord said the GMs didn't try to ban me, except Estild flat out said on the officials that he might have to invoke some POLICY actions against me if I didn't stop doing Dreavenings or drastically reduce the number of people I spelled up, so clearly there was a discussion had about banning or warning me, unless Estild just decides things on his own these days, which is looking more and more to be the case.

Estild seems to come across as the type of person to overreact first and think second.

I do think a lot of great dev has come from him and the team but he can really be a turd. IMO I don't think they are being vindictive but you do stand in the way of their revenue gain. In other words it's not you, it's business.

[Tgo01]

In other words it's not you, it's business.

I can see that. Shit look at all of the people who are practically begging them to put the invoker on FWI because they would gladly upgrade to premium for that. Just from those people alone they would already be making more than my Patreon does, and I'm sure there are at least twice as many people who would upgrade that haven't said anything yet.

Simu basically found a way to sell AS/DS if they really wanted to.

[Methais]

It was never about lag. Like I said, they want to monetize off of it.

Can't do that, or do it as well, when a player gives spells for free.

Simu sees the huge rona population and their eyes light up with $ signs. Here's some real video captured when they got the idea (might be Naijin??):

https://media.giphy.com/media/HWrPO5I6koNNu/giphy.gif

Fixed.


And yeah Simu is in for a huge rude awakening when the plague eventually ends.

I wonder how they'll blame the sudden massive population drop on Dreaven.


Someone on Discord said the GMs didn't try to ban me, except Estild flat out said on the officials that he might have to invoke some POLICY actions against me if I didn't stop doing Dreavenings or drastically reduce the number of people I spelled up, so clearly there was a discussion had about banning or warning me, unless Estild just decides things on his own these days, which is looking more and more to be the case.

Estild is the real PM.

[Taernath]

Making the invoker a premium benefit would be a really, really, shitty thing to do. And I say this as a premium subscriber. It needs to be available for either everybody, or nobody.

[Tgo01]

It needs to be available for either everybody, or nobody.

The GMs seem to be in a holding pattern with not releasing any information because they don't want to admit they have rendered many spells worthless and thus they need to replace them, or they don't want to have to explain why prime Landing is special in some regard as to why no other city is getting an invoker. It seems some people are complaining that they aren't being forthcoming with this information but as per usual there are plenty of people who think everything the GMs do is great so the GMs are apparently fine with leaving everyone in the dark.

[Rinualdo]

Going by all of the complaints on the officials and Discord by people demanding the invoker be put back I'm really wondering if she was removed by accident or the GMs realized what they had done by creating the invoker then removing her. The invoker was gone for like what, an hour?

I really do wonder what their plans are for the invoker. Why just Landing? What is even the purpose of knowing 401/406/414/etc anymore? If you're in the Landing there is literally no point in knowing these spells. Their lack of communication isn't surprising though, these are GS GMs after all.

It disappeared after a game reset so possible it wasn't part of their start scripts or whatnot.

[Fortybox]

Fixed.


And yeah Simu is in for a huge rude awakening when the plague eventually ends.

I wonder how they'll blame the sudden massive population drop on Dreaven.



Estild is the real PM.

:lol:

I laffed. I cried. I 40kek'd.

[Avaia]

Defensive Spells are not nearly as important as they used to be. Open-roll SMRv2 is going to gib you every now and then, no matter what.

[Skeletor]

Defensive Spells are not nearly as important as they used to be. Open-roll SMRv2 is going to gib you every now and then, no matter what.

Correct.

Honestly, they should just make an invoker for every town and make them once a day free and simucoin or silvers for more. That's their best move and then let the SMRv2 take care of the rest.

[gilchristr]

"That's their best move and then let the SMRv2 take care of the rest. "

If that's where we are headed, then might as well make all the monsters stop attempting DS and TD checks. Having the creatures attempt only the impactful actions would probably help with the lag too.

[Tgo01]

Just wanted to give a status update to all of the haters who thought Dreavenings would disappear and my Patreon would close: 5 months later and Dreavenings are still going strong, mostly getting around 60-70 people during prime time, sometimes breaking 80. Also the number of Patrons I had was falling every month until last month and I have been gaining Patrons since then and my number of Patrons is higher now than it was March of last year, around the time the shutdowns started.

To all of my Patrons and everyone who still loves Dreavenings: THANK YOU! You are much appreciated.

To all of the haters:

https://c.tenor.com/_OgPRNknOkAAAAAM/tv-comedy.gif

[Asha]

Ill go on record in public as a Patron IF you can promise me wizard spells in Illistim fairly regs :)

[Tgo01]

Ill go on record in public as a Patron IF you can promise me wizard spells in Illistim fairly regs :)

But but but! :O

I was starting to do one Dreavening a day at Illistim but those plans got kind of sidetracked by other projects :p

One of these days.......

[Tgo01]

Just wanted to give a status update to all of the haters who thought Dreavenings would disappear and my Patreon would close: 5 months later and Dreavenings are still going strong, mostly getting around 60-70 people during prime time, sometimes breaking 80. Also the number of Patrons I had was falling every month until last month and I have been gaining Patrons since then and my number of Patrons is higher now than it was March of last year, around the time the shutdowns started.

To all of my Patrons and everyone who still loves Dreavenings: THANK YOU! You are much appreciated.

To all of the haters:

https://c.tenor.com/_OgPRNknOkAAAAAM/tv-comedy.gif

I guess I touched a nerve with some GM or something because now apparently the invoker is on the exact same schedule Dreavenings are. I purposefully scheduled Dreavenings to be in between the invoker showing up so people would have an option every 2 hours but apparently the GMs didn't like that.

These GMs are so petty.

lol here's how the insane idiot on Discord who claimed I wanted to "exterminate" him refers to me as: "Has it run off the dark one yet?"

These people are legit insane.

[Berost]

Like, yes, they are. KS means no more Dreav's for Berost, but helped a shit-ton leveling. So.. thanks!

In the end, why care? Get em, coolio, don't get em, coolio. Go play the game; dayam.

[Tgo01]

Like, yes, they are. KS means no more Dreav's for Berost, but helped a shit-ton leveling. So.. thanks!

In the end, why care? Get em, coolio, don't get em, coolio. Go play the game; dayam.

Don't matter to me none. Just find the GMs being so petty about this amusing. Like why can't they just admit what they are doing?

An invoker only in the prime version of the game and only in the Landing and they make the schedule just so happen to match up with the schedule I set up for Dreavenings months ago? People on Discord are still saying all of this is just a huge coincidence, that they are still "testing" something.

Well I guess not everyone, that one dude referring to me as "the dark one" seems to understand the point is to "run me off."

[Neveragain]

Don't matter to me none. Just find the GMs being so petty about this amusing. Like why can't they just admit what they are doing?

An invoker only in the prime version of the game and only in the Landing and they make the schedule just so happen to match up with the schedule I set up for Dreavenings months ago? People on Discord are still saying all of this is just a huge coincidence, that they are still "testing" something.

Well I guess not everyone, that one dude referring to me as "the dark one" seems to understand the point is to "run me off."

I'll be bluntly honest. They will run you off, the longer you fight it, the more miserable they will make it for you.

It's not worth going through, the GM's are a clique with their whales and the whales chosen few.

[Tgo01]

I'll be bluntly honest. They will run you off, the longer you fight it, the more miserable they will make it for you.

It's not worth going through, the GM's are a clique with their whales and the whales chosen few.

I've come to terms with them wanting to destroy Dreavenings through attrition. I honestly don't even pay any attention to the invoker anymore, I almost completely forgot she even existed until someone mentioned to me the other day that her schedule now syncs up exactly with Dreavenings, which I just found funny.

I'll just keep doing Dreavenings until no one shows up to them anymore, then I'll stop doing them and the GMs and their brown nosers can pretend they invented the concept of an invoker all on their own while people like Estild unironically continues his crusade against "bots."

[Gelston]

Dreaven destroyed GS and caused the game to cater to whales.

[Winter]

These GMs are so petty.

It does comes across a little puerile and quite mean spirited. I wouldn't rise to it, you've helped a lot of people and the silent majority can see this for what it is.

[Dendum]

They would burn down their own house if they thought they could catch dreaven inside.

[drumpel]

They would burn down their own house if they thought they could catch dreaven inside.

And milk more money from people.

[Asha]

I feel like in the old days when there were only subscriptions and events that generated income, people offering spellups and services were encouraged by Simu.
It used to be a large draw point of the game, to share spells, cyber and interact etc.
If Simu would rather people all group up via script for 1 second then leave the room with every defensive spell in the game, they're not doing the social aspect of the game any favours. Though I will say it's convenient and I didn't mind using it.

[Flap]

Probably part of the reason a certain illustrious community member continues to host his mass spellup sessions.

I wonder how attendance is at said events now that the invoker is around. Seems like people would vote with their feet.