Official: Treasure Update

[bunnymustdie]

On January 1st, 2021, we'll be making a significant update to treasure gain, specifically in reference to farming. Over the past several months, we've been monitoring treasure gain across all characters and accounts to gather some metrics. We noticed some very specific issues where the top 5% treasure generating characters are earning significantly more than the bottom 95% of characters. As an even more significant example of the problem, one character earned more than the bottom 60% of all characters combined. This activity is detrimental to the gaming environment and causes problems for players who are otherwise not trying to abuse the system for personal gain. It's also a significant issue that causes silver value to be pointless for some characters while others are barely earning any. When we try to price items and services to be worthwhile, we have to factor in both groups and as shown with the raffle prices at the last Ebon Gate, it often causes us to have to unfairly penalize the players that are not making 100s of million silver each month. As such, we will be implementing a system that has soft and hard caps to the amount of treasure an account can earn. Because of the metrics we gathered, we are able to precisely implement this update so that it doesn't affect 95% of players. For the 5% that are affected, when the soft cap is reached, it will apply a penalty to treasure gain that increases as more and more treasure is gained, until the hard cap is reached. We do not plan to share many details of this system, other than what's already stated, to avoid potential abuse of it. We realize this update may be unpopular with some players, but we feel the remaining 95% of players are better served with these restrictions in place.

GameMaster Estild

Just posted on officials: https://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/Combat,%20Magic,%20and%20Character%20Mechanics/Developer%27s%20Corner/view/1944

[Dhuul2]

When did Simutronics decide FREEDOM was the ENEMY?!

[Taernath]

Eat the rich.

[Winter]

>one character earned more than the bottom 60% of all characters combined.

How is that even possible? I've heard last week that they were raking in 300m a week just from the treasure system and was pretty sceptical until this was posted.

[Astray]

This sounds like someone wasn't a fan of having an alt outbid and they were like 'yo, check this chuckle fuck, time to penalize them'.

[Skeletor]

Making $1500 a week through GemStone is insane. That’s like well-to-do in many poorer parts of the country.

[Ashlander]

What're they going to do when they discover the 5% also plays 90% of the playerbase?

[Orthin]

so does this mean loot will be better for the 95% or just worse for the 5%?

[bunnymustdie]

so does this mean loot will be better for the 95% or just worse for the 5%?

Worse for the 5% from what I understand.

[Neveragain]

I actual find that someone making $1500 a week from putting time and energy into a video game encouraging for the gaming industry. The treasure system is already designed to reduce output the more it's hunted. Honestly, it does not take long to strip an area and I don't script hunt when I'm treasure hunting. They need fatter hoppers all around.

I mean deepening containers is all about staying in the field longer to carry loot........

[Menos]

I actual find that someone making $1500 a week from putting time and energy into a video game encouraging for the gaming industry. The treasure system is already designed to reduce output the more it's hunted. Honestly, it does not take long to strip an area and I don't script hunt when I'm treasure hunting. They need fatter hoppers all around.

I mean deepening containers is all about staying in the field longer to carry loot........

Running bigshot while teleworking and tabbing over when the script check warning sound goes off is not my idea of putting time and energy into the game. Nor is it behavior I think should be rewarded.

However, also not sure how I feel about these updates yet. I will be very unhappy if they poorly target it and hurt people actively playing who just happen to be trying to focus on finding loot. If it only impacts automated farming, I will probably consider it an improvement.

[Neveragain]

Running bigshot while teleworking and tabbing over when the script check warning sound goes off is not my idea of putting time and energy into the game. Nor is it behavior I think should be rewarded.

However, also not sure how I feel about these updates yet. I will be very unhappy if they poorly target it and hurt people actively playing who just happen to be trying to focus on finding loot. If it only impacts automated farming, I will probably consider it an improvement.

At one time I would have agreed with you, I just see the potential growth in the market for gaming is a real economy base. There's really an endless potential for automation and the financial enticement to get people to flip switches on and off.

[Merzbow]

First they came for Methais, and we just pointed and laughed at him as they blew up his Confluence loot train. Then they came for like ten other dudes aside from Methais... and we're still pointing and laughing.

[Tgo01]

>one character earned more than the bottom 60% of all characters combined.

How is that even possible? I've heard last week that they were raking in 300m a week just from the treasure system and was pretty sceptical until this was posted.

It's kind of a misleading statistic. 60% of which characters? ALL characters that logged on in a month, like even for a few minutes like a locker mule or something? Or all characters that earned at least like 100k silvers a month? If it's the former it's a pretty meaningless statistic because I bet there are lots of characters logging in each month who don't earn many silvers or none at all.

Also 300 million silvers a week on one character just from the treasure system sounds literally impossible, even if you were script farming 24/7. I could see a multi-account team of 10 earning that many silvers a week, but again that would have to be pretty heavy scripting approaching 24/7.

[Tgo01]

Also note they are putting limits on a per account basis. This is all just a ploy to get those players to open up new accounts.

[Lord Orbstar]

Good

[SellinMyStuff]

First they came for Methais, and we just pointed and laughed at him as they blew up his Confluence loot train. Then they came for like ten other dudes aside from Methais... and we're still pointing and laughing.

to this i say come and get it, ive been waiting :D

[Donquix]

Also note they are putting limits on a per account basis. This is all just a ploy to get those players to open up new accounts.

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[Fortybox]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/6560a670af7a0c9eae92da8f4012f600/tenor.gif

Except it's not a tinfoil hat idea. It's the logical conclusion based on this change.

[Seizer]

Myklian scales version 3.2

[Skeletor]

Except it's not a tinfoil hat idea. It's the logical conclusion based on this change.

Agreed here.

They are attempting to indirectly skim off the MAer’s per account profits by forcing MA farmers to open more accounts to make up for the shortfall (due to the cap).

Be warned, all this does is increase the number of botting MAers present in hunting grounds NOT limit them.

This was a terrible idea but I think Estild and Coase are innocent (they think way too linearly). Almost certain Wyrom hatched this sitting there by himself scheming, I see him being smart enough.

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[Donquix]

Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want you to farm 500m silvers a month and fuck the entire economy, and they're simply trying to dissuade that behavior.

They're making like 6 figures every DR. you think they're like sitting there like "mwuahahhaa, we will get another 60 dollars a month each from those 5 MA crews! That will finally satiate the shareholders!"

[Skeletor]

Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want you to farm 500m silvers a month and fuck the entire economy, and they're simply trying to dissuade that behavior.

They're making like 6 figures every DR. you think they're like sitting there like "mwuahahhaa, we will get another 60 dollars a month each from those 5 MA crews! That will finally satiate the shareholders!"

This does not dissuade MAers, in fact it just pours kerosene on their behavior. The hunting grounds will be even more jam-packed with these bots.

I don’t think you realize it’s not only about pushing the MA crew to double or triple their account loads but this also pushes “normal” players to other open avenues or go the MA route themselves.

They want to poison the well without it looking like it forcing players to get a loot train going. Why else would they seed the hunting grounds with “jackpot pulls.” They (or more likely Wyrom) realizes the number of multi-accounts that get activated during Dusk or Ebon farming, why not replicate that 24/7?

I know it sounds tinfoil hat but forty is right, this is going to get much worse.

[Donquix]

Ahh yes, the normal solo player generating several hundred million silvers a month. They must take action and start MA'ing before THE CAP GETS THEM!

https://media1.tenor.com/images/e9c39983baf473b1ac7695e34c024ca8/tenor.gif

[Gelston]

This is what happens when you elect Joe Biden.

[caelric]

This is what happens when you elect Joe Biden.

Nope. Trump is still in office, so it's clearly his fault.

On a serious note, I would say this has little effect on MA'ers, except perhaps increasing the money they give to Simu.

[Winter]

Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want you to farm 500m silvers a month

I've heard it's a lot more than that, I heard the rumour last week genuinely didn't believe any of the figures because they sounded like a case of Chinese whispers, then everything I heard in the rumour was posted verbatim in that statement minus that actual silver figure. For that figure to possible would mean said player has access to abilities/items no one else in the game does, based on what little we know about the treasure system it's almost impossible for one person on one account to generate that amount.

[Merzbow]

I've heard it's a lot more than that, I heard the rumour last week genuinely didn't believe any of the figures because they sounded like a case of Chinese whispers, then everything I heard in the rumour was posted verbatim in that statement minus that actual silver figure. For that figure to possible would mean said player has access to abilities/items no one else in the game does, based on what little we know about the treasure system it's almost impossible for one person on one account to generate that amount.

A lot more than 500m a month, yeah, that would require game mechanics abuse. So why not just fix the abuse if it was actually the result of some unknown hackery?

[BlueMonkey]

Hard to start bitching about it until they give some idea of what the "cap" is.

[Orthin]

Hard to start bitching about it until they give some idea of what the "cap" is.

You must be new to these forums. It’s very easy to bitch about literally anything.

[Tgo01]

What happens when you reach the hard cap? Critters literally have nothing on them when you loot them? When you try to skin them you find out that the critter suddenly has no body parts left?

[Orthin]

What happens when you reach the hard cap? Critters literally have nothing on them when you loot them? When you try to skin them you find out that the critter suddenly has no body parts left?

Maybe it’s like the F2P model? I will never know but that would be my best guess.

[Tgo01]

Maybe it’s like the F2P model? I will never know but that would be my best guess.

What happens in the F2P model?

[Drew]

Also 300 million silvers a week on one character just from the treasure system sounds literally impossible, even if you were script farming 24/7. I could see a multi-account team of 10 earning that many silvers a week, but again that would have to be pretty heavy scripting approaching 24/7.



My first thought was "one of these groups of MA scripters probably has 1 account loot which is what I think you're seeing here. The data would show 1 character making a TON of money but now they will have five characters loot. It will be a slight inconvenience because the looter probably is best equipped to deal with encumbrance but overall what we'll see is all that loot being split by the number of accounts and at that point they may not hit the cap at all. So little will probably change in the amount generated overall, but the stats will show a big drop off per account.

[Methais]

First they came for Methais, and we just pointed and laughed at him as they blew up his Confluence loot train. Then they came for like ten other dudes aside from Methais... and we're still pointing and laughing.

I'll be fine. I'll still be pwning from work regardless at least until GS breaks, because it makes the day go by faster.

This is only going to drive the price of silver up anyway.

Kind of like how these new essence farming changes for all professions is going to drive those prices up. :lol:

[Methais]

It's kind of a misleading statistic. 60% of which characters? ALL characters that logged on in a month, like even for a few minutes like a locker mule or something? Or all characters that earned at least like 100k silvers a month? If it's the former it's a pretty meaningless statistic because I bet there are lots of characters logging in each month who don't earn many silvers or none at all.

Also 300 million silvers a week on one character just from the treasure system sounds literally impossible, even if you were script farming 24/7. I could see a multi-account team of 10 earning that many silvers a week, but again that would have to be pretty heavy scripting approaching 24/7.

A day's worth in the Confluence, which solo for me takes 1-2 hours before the drop rate sucks too much to bother, and then it resets again the next day, is probably worth just over 1m if you're opening your own plinites and purifying the gems that are worth singing to with 202 trading.

10 characters doing this daily = 300m per month

Pulling in 75m per week solo is impossible. Pretty sure whoever came up with that number just pulled it out of their ass. I guess someone on paper running 40 characters like this could do it in the Confluence, but if we're using that logic then someone running 160 characters must be pulling in 1b a week somewhere too.

SoS loot seems trash when I hunt there, and Rift doesn't generate loot at that rate either. Warcamps are usually shit boxes, OTF and Nelemar are usually garbage, etc.

EDIT: Even pre-nerf Confluence I was pulling in like 1m an hour without even purifying. This was before the mage nerf and plinites didn't exist yet, but the drop rates were insane. I'd get like 300+ gems an hour. Even throwing out the shitty gems there's no way a bard can purify fast enough to keep up with that rate.

300m a week is still impossible even under those conditions, making 1m an hour 24/7.

[adred]

a good question is how much the top 5% contribute to their overall revenue

[Tgo01]

10 characters doing this daily = 300m per month

300m per week is impossible.

Yeah I can see 300 million silvers per month. 300 million silvers a week...I'm not even sure people in Shattered can pull this off unless they were running 10 individual accounts who all hunt on their own and are hunting different areas to keep the hunting area loot value up.

[Tgo01]

a good question is how much the top 5% contribute to their overall revenue

Over 9000%!

[Methais]

Even pre-nerf Confluence I was pulling in like 1m an hour without even purifying. This was before the mage nerf and plinites didn't exist yet, but the drop rates were insane. I'd get like 300+ gems an hour. Even throwing out the shitty gems there's no way a bard can purify fast enough to keep up with that rate.

300m a week is still impossible even under those conditions, making 1m an hour 24/7.

Also meant to add the only way I can see it being possible would be with an army of enough bards to purify 300+ gems an hour, effectively making this 2m per hour. Running 24/7. Before nerfs in 2016 and 2017.

[crb]

It seems nearly impossible to me for 1 character or 1 account to be making more than the bottom 60% combined. The only way I see that statistic being possible is if the GMs, not being dumb, are able to backend tag MA account groups into a single entity, and if they are doing that and if that is the case then this limit might be tied to credit cards, IPs, or something like that, rather than accounts. Which may feel like BS because those accounts are paid for - though overall I'm in agreement with Menos that this sort of thing (the massive unbalance of the treasure system) isn't good for the game overall so a step to correct it would be positive. Really the inherent problem is the AFK scripting, that is the disease, this is a symptom.

But I am very curious if this is per account, or if they're trying to make it per human behind the curtain.

[Methais]

It seems nearly impossible to me for 1 character or 1 account to be making more than the bottom 60% combined. The only way I see that statistic being possible is if the GMs, not being dumb, are able to backend tag MA account groups into a single entity, and if they are doing that and if that is the case then this limit might be tied to credit cards, IPs, or something like that, rather than accounts. Which may feel like BS because those accounts are paid for - though overall I'm in agreement with Menos that this sort of thing (the massive unbalance of the treasure system) isn't good for the game overall so a step to correct it would be positive. Really the inherent problem is the AFK scripting, that is the disease, this is a symptom.

But I am very curious if this is per account, or if they're trying to make it per human behind the curtain.

Just running solo I was able to pull in roughly 100m a month. Some people have MA crews running around in different places too, i.e. 1 is skinning in X area while they have other characters farming Y area, etc.

I'm thinking Simu is also counting all characters in existence, which includes locker characters that do literally nothing and earn 0 silvers every day, which is kind of bullshit.

I'm curious what these new soft and hard caps will be like. I expect it to be a complete disaster just like everything else this current dev team touches.

[Fierna]

Just found this.

a vermillion flame-carved sephwir longbow. 5x, fire flaring, heavy sighting. from a sand devil box on teras. jackpot-ish?

[Orthin]

Just found this.

a vermillion flame-carved sephwir longbow. 5x, fire flaring, heavy sighting. from a sand devil box on teras. jackpot-ish?

Definitely an awesome find but I do not think the loot jackpots begin until 1/2021

[Murrandii]

We don't know if the cap is permanent or temp.

If temp, is it yearly? monthly? weekly?

Problem is, if the length is really high or permanent, you cannot farm anymore that much since you'll hurt yourself eventually

The fact they don't wannt give ANY details is also a HIGH incentive for them to control the market with just a tweak in their formula.

5% of players are causing this break, in the grand scheme of things, is a LOT. Let's say we have 2,000 players reguliary, it means 100 of them are farming and breaking the economy.

Fuck that. That'S BS, I don't believe it a single second.

Just do reverse approach anyway, bring more sinks instead of nerf.

[time4fun]

We don't know if the cap is permanent or temp.

If temp, is it yearly? monthly? weekly?

Problem is, if the length is really high or permanent, you cannot farm anymore that much since you'll hurt yourself eventually

The fact they don't wannt give ANY details is also a HIGH incentive for them to control the market with just a tweak in their formula.

5% of players are causing this break, in the grand scheme of things, is a LOT. Let's say we have 2,000 players reguliary, it means 100 of them are farming and breaking the economy.

Fuck that. That'S BS, I don't believe it a single second.

Just do reverse approach anyway, bring more sinks instead of nerf.

It's almost assuredly a monthly cap.

Anything more than that would risk someone not getting treasure for months at a time, which creates a major retention risk.

[Candor]

We don't know if the cap is permanent or temp.

If temp, is it yearly? monthly? weekly?

Problem is, if the length is really high or permanent, you cannot farm anymore that much since you'll hurt yourself eventually

The fact they don't wannt give ANY details is also a HIGH incentive for them to control the market with just a tweak in their formula.

5% of players are causing this break, in the grand scheme of things, is a LOT. Let's say we have 2,000 players reguliary, it means 100 of them are farming and breaking the economy.

Fuck that. That'S BS, I don't believe it a single second.

Just do reverse approach anyway, bring more sinks instead of nerf.

It is not the number of players farming and breaking the economy, it is the number of characters that is the concern.

I don't think 100 players are farming and breaking the economy, but I might believe 20 players each using five different characters. Still seems a bit high, but I think 2000 regular players is a bit high too. Cut the numbers in half - so you have 1000 regular players and 10 players farming...that I can accept.

Bottom line is that I believe Simu has a valid concern here.

[Murrandii]

It's almost assuredly a monthly cap.

Anything more than that would risk someone not getting treasure for months at a time, which creates a major retention risk.

When you analyze the little information estild gave, it's 0 possible to assume. We can only speculate.

The worse case scenario is more probable now for dedicated players:

1) Is this hunting ground too pressured or I hit my soft cap?
1a) Do I need to move or I must wait x time?
1b) If I move, how can I know when cap has lift?
1c) Does the cap remove itself fully or anything gathered in between carries?
i.e. let's say the soft cap is 100m per month, if I gathered 120m, got hit by soft cap, I lost some money here and there... does the extra 20m carry on the second monthly cap?

2) Undirect bonuses (are you going to hit the cap faster)
2a) are you penalized by using a racial friendly town (i.e. dwarf in teras)
2b) are you penalized by having maxed trade?
2c) are you penalized by using 1205 or 1004 ?

[Neveragain]

It's almost assuredly a monthly cap.

Anything more than that would risk someone not getting treasure for months at a time, which creates a major retention risk.

Okies, Time4pay2win.

In the long run this just fucks over anyone that's not willing to throw dollar bills at their events. Those "farmers", lmfao, are performing a service that's in demand or they wouldn't invest the effort.

Learn2code.

[Neveragain]

It's not even possible to fix the treasure system. In GSIII one could be capped and hunt lvl 40 hunting areas and get the same loot as the lvl 40, the economy was broken years ago. Capping income to accounts / at all, really only impacts the newer accounts.

[Asha]

Good. Maybe people who turn up to the god auctions will change from the same 11 players.

[beldannon5]

you are a year late.

[Seran]

Or maybe, just maybe, they don't want you to farm 500m silvers a month and fuck the entire economy, and they're simply trying to dissuade that behavior.

They're making like 6 figures every DR. you think they're like sitting there like "mwuahahhaa, we will get another 60 dollars a month each from those 5 MA crews! That will finally satiate the shareholders!"

I'd bet money the former is the exact logic of it. Presuming there's some overarching conspiracy to drive up profits is laughable, definetly agree with you there.

[Methais]

Good. Maybe people who turn up to the god auctions will change from the same 11 players.

Nothing has changed other than the same 11 people or whatever are just feeding money directly to Simu now instead of the secondary market, which causes Simu to implement more nerfs and try to make things more reliant on P2W so more people will throw more money at them, creating an endless cycle of Estild gluttony and failure.

[adred]

Nothing has changed other than the same 11 people or whatever are just feeding money directly to Simu now instead of the secondary market, which causes Simu to implement more nerfs and try to make things more reliant on P2W so more people will throw more money at them, creating an endless cycle of Estild gluttony and failure.

Amen.

[Methais]

If Simu had any brains they'd look into shifting GS toward some sort of P2E model. P2E is about to take over gaming.

I don't think they have the creativity to pull it off in a way that isn't a complete train wreck though, so nevermind.

[Tgo01]

If Simu had any brains they'd look into shifting GS toward some sort of P2E model. P2E is about to take over gaming.

I don't think they have the creativity to pull it off in a way that isn't a complete train wreck though, so nevermind.

P2E?

[Gelston]

P2E?

Pay 2 Envelopes

It is a new post office thing.

[Realk]

Pay 2 Envelopes

It is a new post office thing.

i'm confused... elaborate?

nevermind, putting P2E in google instead of Pay 2 Envelopes fixed it.

[Gelston]

i'm confused... elaborate?

I don't know what it means either and was making up the bullshit.

[Methais]

P2E?

Play 2 Earn. Mostly centered around NFT based stuff, but it can end up being good money for little effort.

Friend of mine was pulling in like $300-500 a day on one of them for a while called Maticverse, and similar numbers on another called Memenopoly. He invested pretty heavily into both, but he's way ahead on that shit now. There are tons popping up every day now. Most are still probably shit projects, but there are good ones out there too. The next year or so should be pretty interesting for gaming as a whole with crypto being integrated more and more.

This is one that came out a few days ago called Thetan Arena. I'm probably gonna throw a bit at it this weekend and see how the returns go. This one is also somewhat dependent on skill, whereas most aren't so far, so that should be interesting.

There's another token called UltiArena that has a card battle game coming out soon, and they also have something worked out that allows you to play "normal" games and still earn Ulti tokens, which you can turn around and sell for whatever the current rate is. Ulti tokens are also used to buy NFTs for their card game, which will also be a P2E game. The first "real" game on their P2E list is DOTA2, and I think CS:GO shortly after.

No clue how all that works other than it's not "on" Steam, therefore it's not subject to their ban of blockchain based games. I think DOTA2 P2E goes live on December 15.

There are some Triple A P2E games in the works too, but I haven't gotten around to reading up on those yet. All this shit in general is in its infancy.

This guy explains Thetan Arena pretty well. I played a few free matches last night and it's super simple.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4nn1IVLk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4nn1IVLk


You can technically earn on this game for free too, but the returns are so tiny and in frequent that it's not worth it, since free characters don't generate. They typically require an initial investment, either via loot crate type purchases, or just buying NFTs from other people on the marketplace.

https://thetanarena.com/#home


TLDR: Buy NFTs, play matches with said NFTs, earn THC tokens, convert THC tokens to cash.

[Gelston]

I got a NFT baseball jersey for use in the Metaverse when I bought an inflatable LSU Santa Claus outdoor decoration.

[Tgo01]

Play 2 Earn. Mostly centered around NFT based stuff, but it can end up being good money for little effort.

Friend of mine was pulling in like $300-500 a day on one of them for a while called Maticverse, and similar numbers on another called Memenopoly. He invested pretty heavily into both, but he's way ahead on that shit now. There are tons popping up every day now. Most are still probably shit projects, but there are good ones out there too. The next year or so should be pretty interesting for gaming as a whole with crypto being integrated more and more.

This is one that came out a few days ago called Thetan Arena. I'm probably gonna throw a bit at it this weekend and see how the returns go. This one is also somewhat dependent on skill, whereas most aren't so far, so that should be interesting.

There's another token called UltiArena that has a card battle game coming out soon, and they also have something worked out that allows you to play "normal" games and still earn Ulti tokens, which you can turn around and sell for whatever the current rate is. Ulti tokens are also used to buy NFTs for their card game, which will also be a P2E game. The first "real" game on their P2E list is DOTA2, and I think CS:GO shortly after.

No clue how all that works other than it's not "on" Steam, therefore it's not subject to their ban of blockchain based games. I think DOTA2 P2E goes live on December 15.

There are some Triple A P2E games in the works too, but I haven't gotten around to reading up on those yet. All this shit in general is in its infancy.

This guy explains Thetan Arena pretty well. I played a few free matches last night and it's super simple.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4nn1IVLk


You can technically earn on this game for free too, but the returns are so tiny and in frequent that it's not worth it, since free characters don't generate. They typically require an initial investment, either via loot crate type purchases, or just buying NFTs from other people on the marketplace.

https://thetanarena.com/#home


TLDR: Buy NFTs, play matches with said NFTs, earn THC tokens, convert THC tokens to cash.

Sounds interesting. So do you just redeem the tokens for cash via the game somehow or do you have to sell the tokens like on a third party site?

[Methais]

Sounds interesting. So do you just redeem the tokens for cash via the game somehow or do you have to sell the tokens like on a third party site?

THC tokens (price chart here (https://www.dextools.io/app/bsc/pair-explorer/0x2fa22acdb65ce9763d927656909f14e4e66b5f08)) are their own cryptocurrency that move up and down with the markets just like any other crypto. Converting most/all cryptos to actual cash that goes to your PayPal/bank account takes a few steps, but overall it's pretty easy and nothing a regular GS player shouldn't be able to wrap their head around pretty easily as long as they don't play an empath who just sits in TSC all day. Those people will probably have a tough time.

[Seran]

Play 2 Earn. Mostly centered around NFT based stuff, but it can end up being good money for little effort.

Friend of mine was pulling in like $300-500 a day on one of them for a while called Maticverse, and similar numbers on another called Memenopoly. He invested pretty heavily into both, but he's way ahead on that shit now. There are tons popping up every day now. Most are still probably shit projects, but there are good ones out there too. The next year or so should be pretty interesting for gaming as a whole with crypto being integrated more and more.

This is one that came out a few days ago called Thetan Arena. I'm probably gonna throw a bit at it this weekend and see how the returns go. This one is also somewhat dependent on skill, whereas most aren't so far, so that should be interesting.

There's another token called UltiArena that has a card battle game coming out soon, and they also have something worked out that allows you to play "normal" games and still earn Ulti tokens, which you can turn around and sell for whatever the current rate is. Ulti tokens are also used to buy NFTs for their card game, which will also be a P2E game. The first "real" game on their P2E list is DOTA2, and I think CS:GO shortly after.

No clue how all that works other than it's not "on" Steam, therefore it's not subject to their ban of blockchain based games. I think DOTA2 P2E goes live on December 15.

There are some Triple A P2E games in the works too, but I haven't gotten around to reading up on those yet. All this shit in general is in its infancy.

This guy explains Thetan Arena pretty well. I played a few free matches last night and it's super simple.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VS_4nn1IVLk


You can technically earn on this game for free too, but the returns are so tiny and in frequent that it's not worth it, since free characters don't generate. They typically require an initial investment, either via loot crate type purchases, or just buying NFTs from other people on the marketplace.

https://thetanarena.com/#home


TLDR: Buy NFTs, play matches with said NFTs, earn THC tokens, convert THC tokens to cash.

That's something. Use transactions to buy a character that dictates how much time you can play per day, for ingame character. Indirectly incurring value payable in a block chain coin with very low rated credibility. This game screams pyramid scheme.

Seems like you'd be better off playing GS4, scripting up characters with minimal game interaction and selling US Dollars. Really well written article you did there, admittedly had me very interested until I read searched their coin.

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P2E is exploding and it's very interesting. HOWEVER, it is RIDDLED with companies that want to exploit you for your time and money.

Article from Microsoft's head of gaming about NFT Gaming (aka Blockchain Gaming): https://www.axios.com/xbox-exploitive-nft-gaming-projects-cb3d885f-694c-462d-bcb1-a24c892db32f.html

[Methais]

That's something. Use transactions to buy a character that dictates how much time you can play per day, for ingame character. Indirectly incurring value payable in a block chain coin with very low rated credibility. This game screams pyramid scheme.

Seems like you'd be better off playing GS4, scripting up characters with minimal game interaction and selling US Dollars. Really well written article you did there, admittedly had me very interested until I read searched their coin.

Lololol “iT’s A pYrAmId ScHeMe!!!!” -Boomer Seran

That’s a lot of words just to say that you have no idea what a pyramid scheme is. There’s no “trickle up” and you don’t recruit or have people under you, which is literally what makes a pyramid scheme a pyramid scheme, retard. Not that I’d expect anything other than pure stupidity and doubling down on your own ignorance from you though.

But I’m sure that pulling in 38 cents an hour in GS is super lucrative these days with loot caps and a shit economy that continually gets nerfed every other week. You go girl.

The guy in the video that you clearly didn’t watch breaks down the numbers and the math behind it, and that’s assuming that you only have a 50% win rate. Which means the game requires some amount of skill to do well in, which also rules you out since you suck at everything.

The math is there for pulling in good profits. But the price of the token itself, if it gets low enough, can obviously make it not worth it. Markets everywhere are down right now, so I’m holding off on it for now and just fucking around on some free characters in the meantime.

Thetan Arena is available for free on mobile too. It might actually even be a little easier on mobile since it auto aims, whereas on PC you’re aiming manually. You would still be terrible at it, but still.

Play to earn games are popping up everywhere though and I’ll be surprised if they’re not mainstream within the next year or 2. It’s too bad that you’re just a really stupid person who struggles to understand how most things operate that don’t have soy as the primary ingredient.

[Methais]

P2E is exploding and it's very interesting. HOWEVER, it is RIDDLED with companies that want to exploit you for your time and money.

Article from Microsoft's head of gaming about NFT Gaming (aka Blockchain Gaming): https://www.axios.com/xbox-exploitive-nft-gaming-projects-cb3d885f-694c-462d-bcb1-a24c892db32f.html

There are a lot of complete shit projects out there, which is probably the majority of them at the moment. Defi space is the Wild West right now.