On the 74 Days

[Latrinsorm]

We have been fighting alone for months.

And losing.

https://imgur.com/0L0qpxr.png

In early October we went two weeks with no day seeing a thousand deaths for the first time since July.
The week starting 10/19 saw one.
The week starting 10/26 saw two.
This week we've seen four so far and will see another today.

The Dakotas will be in the top five of deaths per capita within a month.
In the same time frame, Pennsylvania will become the eighth state to lose ten thousand souls.
In the same time frame, we will have the most coronavirus deaths of any country in the entire world.
Mostly because we already do, but it'll be by an even bigger margin.

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President-elect Joe Biden is not a magician. He's not a doctor. He's not even that great a politician.
He won't try to do half as much as is needed, and he won't get even half of that done.
But for the first time in months, the very first time, we know.

Help is on the way.

Just hold on a little while longer.

Nothing in this world can stand against us once we all work together.

[caelric]

Don't worry, help is the way. Super Biden has come to save the day...

[Back]

Biden is being handed a really shitty situation. Cases have exploded over the last few weeks. Deaths are up too. Remember this a few months from now. 125k new recorded cases yesterday. The mid west is seeing the worst right now and need major help.

[Merzbow]

This whole thread is satire, right?

[caelric]

This whole thread is satire, right?

Pretty much everything Latrin says is satire, even if he doesn't mean it that way.

[time4fun]

We're on day 5 of 100k+ cases I believe.

Part of me wants to say- this is the price of incompetence. But the things Trump has done- it's so far beyond incompetence. It's borderline sociopathic. He's so abjectly incapable of basic human empathy, that it never dawned on him that the hundreds of thousands of American lives might be worth more than his re-election. AND he was clearly incapable of looking ahead more than one step, or he would have realized that actually saving lives would have been better for him.

They're going to study this in the history books for a long time. That American President who, upon learning the nation was facing a deadly pandemic that was incredibly contagious and incredibly dangerous, decided his best option was to try to politicize the whole situation and try to convince the country that there was no real pandemic. And then proceeded to systematically attack anyone who tried to take the pandemic seriously, convinced people that doing basic things to keep themselves safe was the wrong thing to do, and then decided to hold dozens of super spreader events all across the country- knowing full well that it would lead to hundreds- if not thousands- of deaths just so he could get people to vote for him.

And most disturbing still- it worked, and 70 million Americans thought he deserved another 4 years at the helm.

We're never going to be able to explain to future generations how any of this happened. We can't even really explain it now.

[Merzbow]

Funny how all the European countries that did the exact same things people said Trump should do and hope Biden will do -- universal mask requirement -- got slammed with even more massive case increases in late summer than the USA did, and had to go on strict lockdowns. There is jack shit we can do until the vaccine comes, and Biden will make exactly jack shit of a difference. Until he takes all the credit for the vaccines that will come about as a result of Trump's Warp Speed initiative.

[Candor]

What is Vermont doing that the rest of the nation isn't doing?

[Solkern]

Funny how all the European countries that did the exact same things people said Trump should do and hope Biden will do -- universal mask requirement -- got slammed with even more massive case increases in late summer than the USA did, and had to go on strict lockdowns. There is jack shit we can do until the vaccine comes, and Biden will make exactly jack shit of a difference. Until he takes all the credit for the vaccines that will come about as a result of Trump's Warp Speed initiative.

Are you sure about that? Thailand, Vietnam, and pretty much all of SEA and EA have this virus totally under control. Do they have a secret vaccine?!
the majority of people in Europe weren't adhering to the guidelines set actually. Try again.

[Ardwen]

Vermont has no large crowds, the single largest issue this nation has is people refuse to social distance and wear masks. In Vermont it is a lot easier to avoid a crowd since they mostly don't exist.

[Wrathbringer]

Vermont has no large crowds, the single largest issue this nation has is people refuse to social distance and wear masks. In Vermont it is a lot easier to avoid a crowd since they mostly don't exist.

Fuck you, your masks, and all .03% of people who are going to die from the next viral infection they get, whether it's covid or something else. They're going to die. If you want to have a huge ineffective mask crusade and shut down life as people continue to die anyway, do it in your own little bleeding heart naive community of retards and leave the rest of us alone. Fag.

[Ardwen]

Ah I see the vile bigot community is awake early today.

[Wrathbringer]

Ah I see the vile bigot community is awake early today.

I see the faggy tard community is awake early today.

[Solkern]

Fuck you, your masks, and all .03% of people who are going to die from the next viral infection they get, whether it's covid or something else. They're going to die. If you want to have a huge ineffective mask crusade and shut down life as people continue to die anyway, do it in your own little bleeding heart naive community of retards and leave the rest of us alone. Fag.

Gee Thailand, Vietnam, enforced a nationwide mask mandate and social distancing and they lost less than 50 people to this virus, compared to 240k+ in the states. You act like those deaths don’t matter, those people don’t matter.

Not sure exactly what YOUR problem is, if a mask can save lives, why are you so against it? It’s not like a mask does anything harmful to you, it’s benefits far outweigh any true negatives you can think of. Yet for some reason you are against it. Even if wearing a mask can save 10 people’s lives, why wouldn’t you do it? Is your choice to wear one or not worth those lives?

[caelric]

Funny how all the European countries that did the exact same things people said Trump should do and hope Biden will do -- universal mask requirement -- got slammed with even more massive case increases in late summer than the USA did, and had to go on strict lockdowns. There is jack shit we can do until the vaccine comes, and Biden will make exactly jack shit of a difference. Until he takes all the credit for the vaccines that will come about as a result of Trump's Warp Speed initiative.

I'm sorry, citizen. That does not agree with the official Talking Points of the Leftist Party. Please report to the Truth and Education Camps immediately.

[Skeletor]

Fuck you, your masks, and all .03% of people who are going to die from the next viral infection they get, whether it's covid or something else. They're going to die. If you want to have a huge ineffective mask crusade and shut down life as people continue to die anyway, do it in your own little bleeding heart naive community of retards and leave the rest of us alone. Fag.

Normally I would agree with this as the otherside would be deaths resulting from suicide, drug use, and violence from unemployment and social unrest.

But people need to realize that viruses mutate, that’s actually what happened with the Spanish Flu. The more it infects human beings the more it acclimates itself to the host through mutation better being able to spread and possibly being even more deadly.

[Wrathbringer]

Normally I would agree with this as the otherside would be deaths resulting from suicide, drug use, and violence from unemployment and social unrest.

But people need to realize that viruses mutate, that’s actually what happened with the Spanish Flu. The more it infects human beings the more it acclimates itself to the host through mutation better being able to spread and possibly being even more deadly.

Which is why it should have been allowed to run its course and disperse. Instead, we slowed the spread and gave it time to mutate. Now there's like 9 different mutations and we've been developing a vaccine that will be somewhere around fifty percent effective on one of those.

[Wrathbringer]

Gee Thailand, Vietnam, enforced a nationwide mask mandate and social distancing and they lost less than 50 people to this virus, compared to 240k+ in the states. You act like those deaths don’t matter, those people don’t matter.

Not sure exactly what YOUR problem is, if a mask can save lives, why are you so against it? It’s not like a mask does anything harmful to you, it’s benefits far outweigh any true negatives you can think of. Yet for some reason you are against it. Even if wearing a mask can save 10 people’s lives, why wouldn’t you do it? Is your choice to wear one or not worth those lives?

They don't matter. Fuck those people. They were going to die next infection anyway.

[Solkern]

Which is why it should have been allowed to run its course and disperse. Instead, we slowed the spread and gave it time to mutate. Now there's like 9 different mutations and we've been developing a vaccine that will be somewhere around fifty percent effective on one of those.

You think just letting it run it’s course stops or slows the mutation process? Seriously? That is the dumbest shit I’ve heard in a while. Especially since the antibodies have been shown to last anywhere between 12 hours and 3-4 weeks. And reinfection is possible.

[Ardwen]

In Denmark the virus got into the farmed mink population, where it has now mutated and is transmitting back to humans. They are now planning on destroying every mink in the nation to fight this mutation. Where would the US be if this happened with farmed animals here? Lets say, oh how about chickens, how would the US handle it if that happened?

[kutter]

Personally I do not see what the big deal is with the rona. I had it, took 21 days of sick leave, built a new bicycle, streamed a lot of videos and caught up on sleep. Seemed pretty good to me. And that is similar to what every other person I know that has had it. Hell my 93 year old brother-in-laws father had it and he is doing great.

For those of you that are going to scream how cruel I am, go ahead, I do not care. My case is FAR more typical than all of the deaths the left are screaming about. People die every single day, if not from the rona, then from something else. Y'all are the kind of idiots that will point to traffic fatalities being down and say, 'See look how much good the lock down did, all those people lived.' And while that is happening another 100K jobs got lost to economic crisis and how many lives destroyed as a result of it.

I find it hysterical that you think you can beat mother nature, she is going to do what she is going to do and she is one cruel bitch, so when the Biden plan fails, just like the Trump plan, come back and tell me how much better a job he is doing. A vaccine and/ore immunity are the only ways to beat this thing.

And stop comparing us to other countries, we are not them, we do not want to be them, if you think Denmark or Vietnam is so great, move there, they have the internet, you can go be a whiny little bitch from over there.


There will be nothing special about the Biden presidency, even the people screaming about how great it is a black woman is VP, first of all, she is bi-racial, just like Obama, but no one ever mentions that, and secondly, having a woman as a leader in a democracy is hardly a new thing, just ask Margaret Thatcher.

Biden will run the country with executive orders because congress will be split, he will likely get very few if any judges appointed, and we will have gridlock, not a terrible thing. Oh and while you are praising Biden on his governance with the executive orders, your selective memory can go ahead and forget lambasting Trump for doing the exact same thing.

And for all you gutless turds leaving me negative rep, have the balls to say who you are, otherwise you are just re-affirming what I already know about liberals.

[Solkern]

Personally I do not see what the big deal is with the rona. I had it, took 21 days of sick leave, built a new bicycle, streamed a lot of videos and caught up on sleep. Seemed pretty good to me. And that is similar to what every other person I know that has had it. Hell my 93 year old brother-in-laws father had it and he is doing great.

For those of you that are going to scream how cruel I am, go ahead, I do not care. My case is FAR more typical than all of the deaths the left are screaming about. People die every single day, if not from the rona, then from something else. Y'all are the kind of idiots that will point to traffic fatalities being down and say, 'See look how much good the lock down did, all those people lived.' And while that is happening another 100K jobs got lost to economic crisis and how many lives destroyed as a result of it.

I find it hysterical that you think you can beat mother nature, she is going to do what she is going to do and she is one cruel bitch, so when the Biden plan fails, just like the Trump plan, come back and tell me how much better a job he is doing. A vaccine and/ore immunity are the only ways to beat this thing.

And stop comparing us to other countries, we are not them, we do not want to be them, if you think Denmark or Vietnam is so great, move there, they have the internet, you can go be a whiny little bitch from over there.


There will be nothing special about the Biden presidency, even the people screaming about how great it is a black woman is VP, first of all, she is bi-racial, just like Obama, but no one ever mentions that, and secondly, having a woman as a leader in a democracy is hardly a new thing, just ask Margaret Thatcher.

Biden will run the country with executive orders because congress will be split, he will likely get very few if any judges appointed, and we will have gridlock, not a terrible thing. Oh and while you are praising Biden on his governance with the executive orders, your selective memory can go ahead and forget lambasting Trump for doing the exact same thing.

And for all you gutless turds leaving me negative rep, have the balls to say who you are, otherwise you are just re-affirming what I already know about liberals.

Of course you don’t, because you look at it so shortsighted.

Let me try and break it down for you.
1. It’s a new virus, that we know nothing about.
2. We are still unsure how exactly it spreads, but we do know, it’s more contagious than the flu.
3. We have no mass produced medicine/vaccine to help Lessen or manage the severity of the symptoms. Hell, we don’t even know what all the symptoms are still.
4. We are still discovering the short term effects of the virus
5. We still have absolutely zero clue about any long term medical conditions that could arise from being infected.
6. It has been medically and scientifically shown that it has a greater impact on people with pre-existing conditions than previous viruses that we have encountered.


Why do you think the entire world is locking down? There have always been two known effective ways to slow any virus down, wearing a mask to protect others, and social distancing to protect yourself.

Why do you think the entire world is rushing for a vaccine? if it was nothing serious, who the fuck cares? why would the world be doing this? People act like wearing a mask is the end of the world, or social distancing is. They are not.. they are basic things we can do to slow any virus down and to help each other... it’s not an infringement on any of your rights.

You mention Vietnam, and you also mention we don’t get over this without a vaccine/immunity. I mentioned Vietnam, Thailand and other countries, because they HAVE gotten over this.. without either of the things you 100% believe are the only answers to this.
You know why they got over it? They locked down for 4-5 months back in march(which we could have done), they stopped all flights entering their countries, any returning citizens were required to take a Covid test and stay isolated until the results came back. they provided support for businesses and people. They stayed locked down till the virus was pretty much gone and reopened. After the lockdown ended everyone in their countries still wore a mask and social distanced and STILL DO. Their countries are fully reopened and have been for quite a few months, and we could be in the exact same situation if we did what they did and are doing now. But we didn’t, and Europe didn’t and now we are still in this giant shit show while other countries are fully reopened.

[Ardwen]

Pfizer announced a vaccine break though, initial reports are 90 percent efficacy. Pfizer however declined to be part of Operation Warp Speed, 50 million doses this year, 2 dose course. Pending further results later this month.

[Candor]

Pfizer announced a vaccine break though, initial reports are 90 percent efficacy. Pfizer however declined to be part of Operation Warp Speed, 50 million doses this year, 2 dose course. Pending further results later this month.

...and wow is the stock market happy with this announcement. As I write this post, DOW futures are up 1539 and the DOW index is expected to open at an all time high.

[Ardwen]

Tech Stocks not so much, they were actually down 20 minutes ago on Nasdaq

[time4fun]

Trump's administration is refusing to sign the letter necessary for Biden to begin his transition. Outside of 2000's messy recount, this has never happened in modern US history.

Several of us repeatedly warned everyone that Trump's refusal to agree to a peaceful transition of power was serious. And several people laughed like heyenas about it.

And look what's going on.

[Solkern]

Pfizer announced a vaccine break though, initial reports are 90 percent efficacy. Pfizer however declined to be part of Operation Warp Speed, 50 million doses this year, 2 dose course. Pending further results later this month.

This is amazing news! Let’s hope it all goes smoothly and no set backs!

[audioserf]

...and wow is the stock market happy with this announcement. As I write this post, DOW futures are up 1539 and the DOW index is expected to open at an all time high.

The market is also high on a likely Biden administration because given expected congressional gridlock they are not anticipating any new/tightened regulations.

e: lol Zoom stock is getting schlonged

[Ardwen]

Using Pfizers production numbers, 25 million people this year, assuming confirmation, and 650 or so million next year would be able to get the vaccine. To early to tell how long it lasts which is obviously a large part of a vaccine.

[SHAFT]

Don't worry, help is the way. Super Biden has come to save the day...

Hasn’t been a week yet since becoming President-elect and already he’s developed a 90% vaccine.

Pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. Trump had 4 years to work on this and he didn’t do shit

[beldannon5]

I know you are being sarcastic but he has only had 11 months lol

[Back]

Hasn’t been a week yet since becoming President-elect and already he’s developed a 90% vaccine.

Pretty fucking impressive if you ask me. Trump had 4 years to work on this and he didn’t do shit

The stock market looks pretty good right now too. Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet and look how much ass he's already kicking!

[Solkern]

The stock market looks pretty good right now too. Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet and look how much ass he's already kicking!

Oh and look, the world has respect for America again! Damn he’s done so much and it’s only been like 2 days! Think he’s accomplished more so far than Trump did in 4 years!

[caelric]

Probably should give him a Nobel peace prize for all he's expected to accomplish. Like peace in the Middle East. Oh, no, wait, Trump did that, even though Obama got the Peace Prize.

[Latrinsorm]

Funny how all the European countries that did the exact same things people said Trump should do and hope Biden will do -- universal mask requirement -- got slammed with even more massive case increases in late summer than the USA did, and had to go on strict lockdowns. There is jack shit we can do until the vaccine comes, and Biden will make exactly jack shit of a difference. Until he takes all the credit for the vaccines that will come about as a result of Trump's Warp Speed initiative.

Germany declared lockdown on 10/28, when they rose to 800 new weekly cases per million capita.

We started LIFTING lockdowns when we fell to 800 new weekly cases per million capita in September.

We are now over 2000 new weekly cases per million capita, and the rate of increase itself increased to 36% week over week.

This is how we have five times as many deaths per capita.

[Latrinsorm]

What is Vermont doing that the rest of the nation isn't doing?

when the little states start going bed they tend to flutter between green / yellow / red, because what with being little the noise is much higher relative to their signal

with that said, VT NH and ME have been doing the best overall, even among the Northeast that had been the last regional holdout the past couple months. i can't say for certain but my guess is rural living DOES actually help, but not if the rural people don't follow the common sense precautions like masks distancing etc. that Democrat controlled states tend to and Republican controlled states don't (see the Dakotas), and since those three are by a pretty wide margin the most rural blue states that's that

but it's just a guess

[Latrinsorm]

Personally I do not see what the big deal is with the rona. I had it, took 21 days of sick leave, built a new bicycle, streamed a lot of videos and caught up on sleep. Seemed pretty good to me. And that is similar to what every other person I know that has had it. Hell my 93 year old brother-in-laws father had it and he is doing great.

For those of you that are going to scream how cruel I am, go ahead, I do not care. My case is FAR more typical than all of the deaths the left are screaming about. People die every single day, if not from the rona, then from something else. Y'all are the kind of idiots that will point to traffic fatalities being down and say, 'See look how much good the lock down did, all those people lived.' And while that is happening another 100K jobs got lost to economic crisis and how many lives destroyed as a result of it.

I find it hysterical that you think you can beat mother nature, she is going to do what she is going to do and she is one cruel bitch, so when the Biden plan fails, just like the Trump plan, come back and tell me how much better a job he is doing. A vaccine and/ore immunity are the only ways to beat this thing.

And stop comparing us to other countries, we are not them, we do not want to be them, if you think Denmark or Vietnam is so great, move there, they have the internet, you can go be a whiny little bitch from over there.


There will be nothing special about the Biden presidency, even the people screaming about how great it is a black woman is VP, first of all, she is bi-racial, just like Obama, but no one ever mentions that, and secondly, having a woman as a leader in a democracy is hardly a new thing, just ask Margaret Thatcher.

Biden will run the country with executive orders because congress will be split, he will likely get very few if any judges appointed, and we will have gridlock, not a terrible thing. Oh and while you are praising Biden on his governance with the executive orders, your selective memory can go ahead and forget lambasting Trump for doing the exact same thing.

And for all you gutless turds leaving me negative rep, have the balls to say who you are, otherwise you are just re-affirming what I already know about liberals.

It's not cruelty, it's myopia. If you smoke cigarettes and don't get lung cancer, it doesn't mean cigarettes don't cause lung cancer. If you don't wear a seat belt and don't die in a car crash, it doesn't mean seat belts don't save lives. Your experience is not universally generalizable, which means sometimes you have to listen to people you disagree with if you want to be correct. If you want to be smugly incorrect, on the other hand, you can keep doing what you're doing.

Your call.

[Solkern]

Probably should give him a Nobel peace prize for all he's expected to accomplish. Like peace in the Middle East. Oh, no, wait, Trump did that, even though Obama got the Peace Prize.

Oh Trump brought peace to the Middle East?! I didn’t even know there was a war in the Middle East.

https://apnews.com/article/peace-process-israel-iran-united-arab-emirates-jerusalem-c87ca011c2cd4321d587e9684dfb84e1

An agreement between allies.. yeah Trump really brought peace. Lol

[caelric]

Oh Trump brought peace to the Middle East?! I didn’t even know there was a war in the Middle East.

https://apnews.com/article/peace-process-israel-iran-united-arab-emirates-jerusalem-c87ca011c2cd4321d587e9684dfb84e1

An agreement between allies.. yeah Trump really brought peace. Lol

He did a whole lot more for peace in the middle east than any previous president. Certainly more than Obama.

[Merzbow]

Germany declared lockdown on 10/28, when they rose to 800 new weekly cases per million capita.

We started LIFTING lockdowns when we fell to 800 new weekly cases per million capita in September.

We are now over 2000 new weekly cases per million capita, and the rate of increase itself increased to 36% week over week.

This is how we have five times as many deaths per capita.

Spain and France are equal per-capita, and the UK is 2/3rds. The Biden-esque measures taken by these countries short of a new lockdown were completely ineffective at stopping a rise comparable to the USA. And Biden has less power to order health measures than those leaders do. Convenient the vaccine was announced 6 days after the election, given that Pfizer's CEO is a huge Dummycrat donor, no?

[Solkern]

He did a whole lot more for peace in the middle east than any previous president. Certainly more than Obama.

That’s a lot different than saying he brought peace to the Middle East, now isn’t it?

While I agree he’s done a lot to lower the temperature there, he’s also done some shit to inflame it as well.

[Solkern]

Look at Mike Pence, trying to act like the Trump administration helped.
Pfizer is like nope, we did this shit on our own!

https://i.imgur.com/YoBLysD.jpg

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Look at Mike Pence, trying to act like the Trump administration helped.
Pfizer is like nope, we did this shit on our own!https://i.imgur.com/YoBLysD.jpg

I like watching you try to do victory laps on shit you know nothing about.

[Ardwen]

Peace in the Middle East? Israel signed peace treaties with 3 countries they weren't at war with and were never in danger of going to war with. literally all that happened is air lines can now travel more directly. Is Muslim Nations being willing to talk with Israel good, sure, but to call it a peace treaty is farcical. Of course Israel is vastly closer to war with Lebanon and the Palestinians again, but that doesn't count right?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Peace in the Middle East? Israel signed peace treaties with 3 countries they weren't at war with and were never in danger of going to war with. literally all that happened is air lines can now travel more directly. Is Muslim Nations being willing to talk with Israel good, sure, but to call it a peace treaty is farcical. Of course Israel is vastly closer to war with Lebanon and the Palestinians again, but that doesn't count right?

I guess with Biden back in power I guess we'll go back to refusing to see the Israel PM. That is sure to work.

[Solkern]

I like watching you try to do victory laps on shit you know nothing about.

Oh right, I’m sure. Don’t you owe someone $10k? Pretty sure someone here took you up on your $10k bet. I’m 100% sure your ass won’t pay up either.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh right, I’m sure. Don’t you owe someone $10k? Pretty sure someone here took you up on your $10k bet. I’m 100% sure your ass won’t pay up either.

Go on with yourself. Post some more direct copies from a wiki or a dictionary and show us how SMRT you are.

[Ardwen]

As long as the Israeli Prime Minister rules an Apartheid nation I am fully for ignoring him. Israel needs the US vastly more then the US needs Israel.

[Solkern]

Go on with yourself. Post some more direct copies from a wiki or a dictionary and show us how SMRT you are.

Pay the man, but we all know you won’t.



You seem very confident, why not throw $10,000 on it?


I can. Wanna bet?


Hey, I will take you up on that bet. 10 grand Trump either loses re-election, or doesn’t make it there.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Pay the man, but we all know you won’t.

Post the rest of the interaction...

[Solkern]

Post the rest of the interaction...

Oh what you saying, how you wanna do this? Who should we give the money to make sure it’s paid up?

Does that matter now? You lost. So pay up.

Come up with more excuses on why you won’t pay the man. It’s all good, we all know you are all talk, nothing more.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh what you saying, how you wanna do this? Who should we give the money to to make sure it’s paid up?

Does that matter now? You lost. So pay up.

As expected, you can't handle facts. Get back to raging about Trump dude and how Biden is going to cure Covid and the worlds ills. Throw in some nice wiki cut/pastes while you are at it.

[Solkern]

As expected, you can't handle facts. Get back to raging about Trump dude and how Biden is going to cure Covid and the worlds ills. Throw in some nice wiki cut/pastes while you are at it.

Run away snowflake, can’t even pay the bet you lost. Proves you aren’t shit, just blah blah blah.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Run away snowflake, can’t even pay the bet you lost. Proves you aren’t shit, just blah blah blah.

Are you clenching your fists as you get big mad?

[Solkern]

Are you clenching your fists as you get big mad?

Nah, I’m laughing at how fake you are. Go brag more about all the celebrities your friends don’t really know, and all that money you aren’t really making. It’s cute.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Nah, I’m laughing at how fake you are. Go brag more about all the celebrities your friends don’t really know, and all that money you aren’t really making. It’s cute.

You seem big mad, and jealous. Not a good look.

[Exit]

Thanks, for reaching out on Facebook about this. I was apprehensive in making this bet, I knew that chances of a random person honouring a bet made over the forums was nil. I know he had no intention of paying it, so I just forgot about it. Seeing his behaviour in this thread, solidifies my aforementioned opinion.

[Solkern]

You seem big mad, and jealous. Not a good look.

Uh huh, it’s ok cupcake, keep bragging about all the shit you really don’t do, or have. If that makes you feel like a bigger and better man, you go girl!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Thanks, for reaching out on Facebook about this. I was apprehensive in making this bet, I knew that chances of a random person honouring a bet made over the forums was nil. I know he had no intention of paying it, so I just forgot about it. Seeing his behaviour in this thread, solidifies my aforementioned opinion.


You never responded bro, that's on me somehow?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Uh huh, it’s ok cupcake, keep bragging about all the shit you really don’t do, or have. If that makes you feel like a bigger and better man, you go girl!

Sorry you so mad, I'm only bigger and better than you though, we established this many times.

[Solkern]

Sorry you so mad, I'm only bigger and better than you though, we established this many times.

I definitely recommend a treadmill, would solve the bigger part. Better part.. drugs, or therapy would solve those delusions of grandeur.

[Wrathbringer]

Germany declared lockdown on 10/28, when they rose to 800 new weekly cases per million capita.

We started LIFTING lockdowns when we fell to 800 new weekly cases per million capita in September.

We are now over 2000 new weekly cases per million capita, and the rate of increase itself increased to 36% week over week.

This is how we have five times as many deaths per capita.

But but butbbbbbut masks!!!!1!

[Blazar]

But but butbbbbbut masks!!!!1!

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/MzjUtVsTP-SfI-STMWIdYhepDKowTwRvzLkUkC-y_Prd5HBM9qqjZpVG0aM8q9lx7OnGIC69-Ac9GjaPbOmWJ7EBnfZjoS73NaI6azkS5n-K1qq0zFp4qRgNgJmNWm5nNRrt970FDglUkqi0m2ftbqmpkCgX3 Mcxqlw

[Ardwen]

Secretary of Defense Esper terminated, Christopher Miller acting SecDef

[Back]

Secretary of Defense Esper terminated, Christopher Miller acting SecDef

Is this the beginning of a coup attempt?

[Taernath]

Is this the beginning of a coup attempt?

No.

[caelric]

Is this the beginning of a coup attempt?

Speaking of conspiracy theories....

[Latrinsorm]

Spain and France are equal per-capita, and the UK is 2/3rds. The Biden-esque measures taken by these countries short of a new lockdown were completely ineffective at stopping a rise comparable to the USA. And Biden has less power to order health measures than those leaders do. Convenient the vaccine was announced 6 days after the election, given that Pfizer's CEO is a huge Dummycrat donor, no?

That you would seriously hold up Prime Minister Boris Johnson (Boris Johnson!) as an example of what Democrats wanted to do says all that needs to be said about your Europe comparisons.

As for the vaccines, their progress has been scrupulously and meticulously announced (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?125686-On-the-Vaccine) for months. Anyone who wanted to know has known since the summer that vaccines would be ready to go November-December. And of course, the Pfizer vaccine is not technically even at the ready to go stage yet, since it has not received FDA approval.

The irony is that the President's strategy was never politically expedient. Had he started Operation Warp Speed a month earlier, he'd have gotten the vaccine announcements and surely a concomitant polling bump before voting instead after it. Joe Biden understands how to get re-elected, he will do what is politically expedient, and it is in fact to fight this pandemic. As I said in the first post he won't take big enough swings, and even the swings he does take will be hampered, but when we're at a tipping point all it takes is a nudge one way instead of the other, a hand to pull us back from the cliff instead of pushing us over.

And in 72 days, we will at long last get that hand.

And the long journey home will begin.

[Latrinsorm]

But but butbbbbbut masks!!!!1!

I truly believe that when history looks back, the overwhelming majority of Americans will have worn masks to protect others, distanced to protect themselves, and generally taken the rudimentary steps it took to protect our nation. Maybe 80%, maybe 90%, somewhere in that ballpark - an eternal reminder of the fundamental decency of our people.

And the hundreds of thousands deaths caused by the plain spitefulness of the remaining ~15% will be its own eternal reminder, of the fundamental need for government, real government: powerful, organized, uniform, imposing, regulatory, punitive. We ordained it as such for a reason - tranquility and welfare aren't boons, liberty and justice aren't free.

We don't have laws against murder for the overwhelming majority of Americans who weren't going to murder anyone anyway.

We have laws against murder for the tiny fraction who do.

And we always will.

[SHAFT]

The stock market looks pretty good right now too. Biden hasn't even been inaugurated yet and look how much ass he's already kicking!

I'm sure Trump is very sad today.

The Monday after you get your ass kicked in the election, Pfizer announces they have a 90% vaccine that didn't require funding from "Operation Warp Speed" and the market booms!

Hahahahahahahahaha

[Ardwen]

The 2 Georgia Senators demanding the resignation of the GOP Secretary of State of Georgia, at the same time Trump tweets out conspiracy theories ab bout 5 other states elections and Mitch McConnell makes a speech about the media not deciding elections, oddly after they accept the media calls on house and senate races this year and every race for the past 30 or more years.

[Exit]

Yeah nice. I legit asked you how you wanted to proceed and you never responded. Now you come and try to drag me over it... who's not honorable? SHM

I will respond in kind to your reputation you have left me. I understand you wish to convey the alternative facts of what has transpired. You came here wanting to bet 10,000 USD on the election, I accepted your bet. Your response while not a complete affirmative as an OK! You did imply that you have accepted the bet we have agreed to. Now that we have agreed upon the bet, you continue to the conversation of the finer details of who is going to hold our money. That’s all fine and dandy, but it does not take away from your agreement of our wager. You lost the bet, while I once again hold true to the fact I know you will not pay, or have any intention of paying it, it’s your honour and reputation that has been tarnished.

[Bhaalizmo]

Yeah nice. I legit asked you how you wanted to proceed and you never responded. Now you come and try to drag me over it... who's not honorable? SHM

I will respond in kind to your reputation you have left me. I understand you wish to convey the alternative facts of what has transpired. You came here wanting to bet 10,000 USD on the election, I accepted your bet. Your response while not a complete affirmative as an OK! You did imply that you have accepted the bet we have agreed to. Now that we have agreed upon the bet, you continue to the conversation of the finer details of who is going to hold our money. That’s all fine and dandy, but it does not take away from your agreement of our wager. You lost the bet, while I once again hold true to the fact I know you will not pay, or have any intention of paying it, it’s your honour and reputation that has been tarnished.

If it please the court, I'd like to submit that SHM had no honor nor reputation here to start.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yeah nice. I legit asked you how you wanted to proceed and you never responded. Now you come and try to drag me over it... who's not honorable? SHM

I will respond in kind to your reputation you have left me. I understand you wish to convey the alternative facts of what has transpired. You came here wanting to bet 10,000 USD on the election, I accepted your bet. Your response while not a complete affirmative as an OK! You did imply that you have accepted the bet we have agreed to. Now that we have agreed upon the bet, you continue to the conversation of the finer details of who is going to hold our money. That’s all fine and dandy, but it does not take away from your agreement of our wager. You lost the bet, while I once again hold true to the fact I know you will not pay, or have any intention of paying it, it’s your honour and reputation that has been tarnished.

The facts are in the thread. Anyone can go read it.

[audioserf]

I'm sure Trump is very sad today.

The Monday after you get your ass kicked in the election, Pfizer announces they have a 90% vaccine that didn't require funding from "Operation Warp Speed" and the market booms!

Hahahahahahahahaha

https://i.ibb.co/HFQncY0/Em-QCB-f-Vg-AAi-IPc.jpg (https://ibb.co/QbGrWnZ)

[Exit]

The facts are in the thread. Anyone can go read it.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?123222-Wuhan-Virus&p=2160973&highlight=#post2160973

Sure, let us return to the thread, Now, let’s look at things logically, shall we? When you offered the $10k USD, can you show me any conditions or stipulations for your original offer? Next, after I accepted the bet, you can’t add or remove conditions or stipulations, it doesn’t work like that, even with that, you never once added any conditions or stipulations, you just simply asked, who should we send the money to? It is your job to set any conditions or stipulations before any wager or bet is established, not after. You failed to do that. After I made the agreement, can you show me any time you wrote that, unless we send money to a mutual person, our bet is void? You owe me 10k USD, like I’ve mentioned before, I and others can plainly see you have no intention of honouring our bet. It is your right to keep trying to run around in circles to make it seem you are in the right, but it’s obvious that you lost this bet and just simply refuse to pay.

[Astray]

Gambling is for degenerates.

[Taernath]

Only a slap fight at the Boulder can resolve this.

[Astray]

Only a slap fight at the Boulder can resolve this.

Yes.

[Latrinsorm]

Gambling is for degenerates.

it's also in this case illegal for americans, just throwing that out there if SHM would like another fig leaf to hide behind

[Blazar]

it's also in this case illegal for americans, just throwing that out there if SHM would like another fig leaf to hide behind

Would it be though since this is social gambling, not gaming, which is legal in a lot of instances? I'm no expert, but I think it would depend on what state they both lived in.

[Latrinsorm]

Would it be though since this is social gambling, not gaming, which is legal in a lot of instances? I'm no expert, but I think it would depend on what state they both lived in.

just to be on the safe side i've reported them both, and myself

[Latrinsorm]

On August 31st, President Trump first told us we were "rounding the final turn" of the pandemic. One month later, he was proven right...

https://imgur.com/jMxrVis.png

...albeit in the opposite direction of what Americans wanted. Since June 8th (the new daily cases minimum between the spring and summer peaks) new daily deaths have tracked very precisely with new daily cases when time shifted by 18 days, as shown above. This means by December we are going to see over 2000 daily deaths for the first time since mid-April.

Let me clear: there is absolutely nothing we can do to stop this.

We could vaccinate every single American with a 100% effective vaccine today and it would already be too late to prevent us from reaching that grim milestone. The infections have happened, they just haven't been confirmed yet. The same proportion will over time develop illness, worse illness, perilous illness, and die.

Our only choice is how many more of those deaths we want to allow.

.

Now, this post is in this thread because of which states specifically have seen the most of their residents' parents, children, and friends die since August 31st, shown here in deaths per 1m capita:


deaths/m state
497 North Dakota
436 Arkansas
422 South Dakota
338 Mississippi
335 Montana
292 Georgia
288 Missouri
285 Florida
281 Tennessee
261 South Carolina

It's not the Acela corridor.
It's not the coastal elites.
It's not the winter - 70° in Knoxville, 75° in Atlanta, 77° in Charleston, 80° in Miami.
It's not the Dems - the only blue governor on that list is Montana's Governor Bullock, and Republicans control both houses of their state legislature.

What these states have in common is listening to one man, buying into the lie.

And it was a lie, a knowing falsehood, and it remains a lie.

If we can all just listen to the truth, we can tame this surge as we have twice before, and just as we did twice before it will be pulling against the gravity of the most powerful man in the free world.

In 70 days, gravity flips.

[Keller]

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?123222-Wuhan-Virus&p=2160973&highlight=#post2160973

Sure, let us return to the thread, Now, let’s look at things logically, shall we? When you offered the $10k USD, can you show me any conditions or stipulations for your original offer? Next, after I accepted the bet, you can’t add or remove conditions or stipulations, it doesn’t work like that, even with that, you never once added any conditions or stipulations, you just simply asked, who should we send the money to? It is your job to set any conditions or stipulations before any wager or bet is established, not after. You failed to do that. After I made the agreement, can you show me any time you wrote that, unless we send money to a mutual person, our bet is void? You owe me 10k USD, like I’ve mentioned before, I and others can plainly see you have no intention of honouring our bet. It is your right to keep trying to run around in circles to make it seem you are in the right, but it’s obvious that you lost this bet and just simply refuse to pay.

Two observations.

First, SHM tried to big dick the bet by throwing out a number. When you tried to get him to make the bet, he showed he is a pussy. He never had any intention of making that bet. He just wanted to pretend to be rich.

Second, SHM didn't agree to any bet and doesn't owe you shit.

[Solkern]

Two observations.

First, SHM tried to big dick the bet by throwing out a number. When you tried to get him to make the bet, he showed he is a pussy. He never had any intention of making that bet. He just wanted to pretend to be rich.

Second, SHM didn't agree to any bet and doesn't owe you shit.

I disagree, if someone says, I bet you $10 the cowboys win, and you say, I’ll take that bet. That’s an agreement, is it not?
You need to remember, SHM is the one who offered the $10k bet, it’s up to others to accept it or not.

SHM, said I’ll bet you $10k, exit said I’ll take that bet. That’s an agreement right there. SHM made the offer, exit accepted it, not the other way around. It’s that simple. SHM didn’t follow it up with any sort of not being serious about it, he followed up with, who we sending the money to? That right there is an acknowledgment and confirmation of the bet.

[Keller]

That's not what happened.

SHM asked if you'd be willing to bet $10,000. He never said he would.

[Taernath]

I disagree, if someone says, I bet you $10 the cowboys win, and you say I’ll take that bets that’s an agreement, is it not?

SHM, said I’ll bet you $10k, exit said I’ll take that bet. That’s an agreement right there. SHM made the offer, exit accepted it. It’s that simple.

I never took it to be serious. They didn't work out the logistics beforehand which is something you absolutely would do for such a large amount and if it were legit.

That being said, betting 10k on an election is fucking stupid.

[Solkern]

That's not what happened.

SHM asked if you'd be willing to bet $10,000. He never said he would.



You seem very confident, why not throw $10,000 on it?


I can. Wanna bet?

You sure? His own words say otherwise.

[Solkern]

I never took it to be serious. They didn't work out the logistics beforehand which is something you absolutely would do for such a large amount and if it were legit.

That being said, betting 10k on an election is fucking stupid.

I concur, but according to SHM, $10k isn’t a lot of money. So I guess it depends? Maybe to Exit $10k is chump change?

[Keller]

You sure?

Yes.

We can do a lot of things. It doesn't mean we are going to do them.

Words matter.

[Solkern]

Yes.

We can do a lot of things. It doesn't mean we are going to do them.

Words matter.

Huh? Do you see the part after “I can”? Where he says wanna bet? Exit said yes, that’s an agreement right there.
Wanna bet $10 the cowboys win? Sure, let’s bet. Seems straightforward to me.

[Taernath]

Huh? Do you see the part after “I can”? Where he says wanna bet? Exit said yes, that’s an agreement right there.
Wanna bet $10 the cowboys win? Sure, let’s bet. Seems straightforward to me.

Then SHM said


How do you want to do it? Where do we send the money that guarantees the winner gets the proceeds.

And Exit said


...

SHM came very, very close to shooting himself in the foot, but Exit never tried to get things set up. Ultimately it was just two dudes flexing their epeens on the internet, a tale as old as time.

[Keller]

Huh? Do you see the part after “I can”? Where he says wanna bet? Exit said yes, that’s an agreement right there.
Wanna bet $10 the cowboys win? Sure, let’s bet. Seems straightforward to me.

A question is not an offer to bet.

Also, Exit attempted to accept and counteroffer at the same time.

This is not hard.

SHM did not offer a bet. Exit didn't even accept the bet you think SHM offered.

Let's just laugh at SHM for trying to be a big spender and then being exposed as a pussy and move on.

[Solkern]

Then SHM said



And Exit said



SHM came very, very close to shooting himself in the foot, but Exit never tried to get things set up. Ultimately it was just two dudes flexing their epeens on the internet, a tale as old as time.

Yeah, exit mentioned that in his prior post, it’s not his job to work out the details of said agreement, it’s the job of the person offering the bet. Look at any betting website, they have the rules and shit laid out well before you can agree to making a bet or wager with them. It’s a normal thing to do.

[Solkern]

A question is not an offer to bet.

Also, Exit attempted to accept and counteroffer at the same time.

This is not hard.

SHM did not offer a bet. Exit didn't even accept the bet you think SHM offered.

Let's just laugh at SHM for trying to be a big spender and then being exposed as a pussy and move on.

Haha I can concur with that last statement. It’s not even my bet, I just think it’s hilarious.

[Latrinsorm]

Yes.

We can do a lot of things. It doesn't mean we are going to do them.

Words matter.

"Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?"

[Latrinsorm]

Now, this post is in this thread because of which states specifically have seen the most of their residents' parents, children, and friends die since August 31st, shown here in deaths per 1m capita:


deaths/m state
497 North Dakota
436 Arkansas
422 South Dakota
338 Mississippi
335 Montana
292 Georgia
288 Missouri
285 Florida
281 Tennessee
261 South Carolina

.

If we can all just listen to the truth, we can tame this surge as we have twice before, and just as we did twice before it will be pulling against the gravity of the most powerful man in the free world.

Late yesterday the governor of North Dakota, the worst suffering state in the Union over the past month and a half, declared a mask mandate, various capacity limits, and school sports cancellations (https://www.governor.nd.gov/news/burgum-announces-new-requirements-businesses-gatherings-and-masks-delays-winter-activities). We have been late for eight months, and hundreds of thousands have died needlessly as a result. But hundreds of thousands ain't millions - it's never too late.

The President woke up this morning and tweeted that the Governor of Georgia (who once sued local governments over mask mandates, and as the above table shows who also governs a state allowing itself to be ravaged by the pandemic) should follow the lead of his fellow Republican in North Dakota and take the same simple common sense steps.

Just kidding, he tweeted that the Governor of Georgia cheated him out of the election.

67 more days.

[Solkern]

The President woke up this morning and tweeted that the Governor of Georgia (who once sued local governments over mask mandates, and as the above table shows who also governs a state allowing itself to be ravaged by the pandemic) should follow the lead of his fellow Republican in North Dakota and take the same simple common sense steps.

Just kidding, he tweeted that the Governor of Georgia cheated him out of the election.

67 more days.

Haha

[Taernath]

Haha

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/720/t3qkhrohrh321.jpg

[Ardwen]

I have to speak up in all this bet silliness. I have acted as bank for a few such things on PC, and literally every person involved, on both sides, have always paid into the kitty promptly and acceptted their losses when they happened. And while am clearly against the politics of some of the people here, I very happily stand up for the character of them. Now if they would just stop with the chilish behavior and petty insults.

[Methais]

you go girl!

https://media0.giphy.com/media/NMHpkm0MPar2U/200.gif

[Methais]

Yeah, exit mentioned that in his prior post, it’s not his job to work out the details of said agreement, it’s the job of the person offering the bet. Look at any betting website, they have the rules and shit laid out well before you can agree to making a bet or wager with them. It’s a normal thing to do.

It would still be Exit's job to reply to SHM asking though, as with a large sum like $10k, both parties would still have to agree upon where the money will be held (i.e. make Ardwen do something useful like hold it or something) to ensure the winner gets paid.

It never got to that point, so the bet was never official.

Explain how this is incorrect.

[Ardwen]

Bah, I do many useful things, like make sure Methais hasn't pilfered the silverware from Rone, that is by the way a full time job.

[Solkern]

It would still be Exit's job to reply to SHM asking though, as with a large sum like $10k, both parties would still have to agree upon where the money will be held (i.e. make Ardwen do something useful like hold it or something) to ensure the winner gets paid, i.e. have Ardwen hang onto it or whatever.

It never got to that point, so the bet was never official.

Explain how this is incorrect.


What makes you exactly think $10k is a large sum? Maybe for the majority yeah. SHM has been here for years, flouting that $10k or so is pocket change to him, small chump change. It’s a matter of perspective. Maybe to Exit, $10k is like $10 for the rest of us. Do you make terms and conditions for a wager where the dollar amount is chump change? Because I haven’t and I’m sure you haven’t either. if you are going to run around acting like $10k is nothing, than turn around and act like all of a sudden it’s a big sum of money is fucking laughable.
If it was nothing like SHM claims and boast it was, he should have zero issue just paying up now, shouldn’t he?

When we made our bet, did we agree on who would hold the money? We didn’t.

[Taernath]

10k is a lot of money to everyone here unless you are that ratfuck Shkreli or a quadruple gender studies doctorate holder. Just because people spend 1k on a flaming horse mount doesn't mean they're rich, just that they have stupid priorities.

[Solkern]

10k is a lot of money to everyone here unless you are that ratfuck Shkreli or a quadruple gender studies doctorate holder. Just because people spend 1k on a flaming horse mount doesn't mean they're rich, just that they have stupid priorities.

Oh I know it is. But SHM has always been here acting and boasting like $5k, $10k is chump change for him, and it’s not a lot of money.

[Methais]

What makes you exactly think $10k is a large sum?

Considering that $10k and up has to be reported to the IRS, I'd say that qualifies it as a large sum of money.


Maybe for the majority yeah. SHM has been here for years, flouting that $10k or so is pocket change to him, small chump change. It’s a matter of perspective. Maybe to Exit, $10k is like $10 for the rest of us. Do you make terms and conditions for a wager where the dollar amount is chump change? Because I haven’t and I’m sure you haven’t either. if you are going to run around acting like $10k is nothing, than turn around and act like all of a sudden it’s a big sum of money is fucking laughable.
If it was nothing like SHM claims and boast it was, he should have zero issue just paying up now, shouldn’t he?

No, this is bullshit. If I won Powerball tomorrow and had $45872394273043 in my bank account, I'd still make sure shit was set up to where there was 0 chance of the winner of the bet not getting paid. I would think most people with any common sense would, even if $10k is actual chump change. Which I'm pretty sure SHM doesn't consider that chump change, regardless of whatever he makes. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't trust someone to make good on a $10,000 bet over the internet just based on their word. Because that would be stupid as fuck.


When we made our bet, did we agree on who would hold the money? We didn’t.

You're comparing a $100 bet to a $10,000 bet. I'm not going to explain why this matters if you really need it spelled out.


Just put your boner for SHM away. At least over this, because it's making you say really retarded things now.

[Solkern]

You're comparing a $100 bet to a $10,000 bet. I'm not going to explain why this matters if you really need it spelled out.


Just put your boner for SHM away. At least over this, because it's making you say really retarded things now.

Obviously you missed the point of my comparison, which in turn makes what you said really retarded.
Let me lay it out again, SHM flouts like $10k is nothing, just like $100 is nothing for us. See where I’m getting at now? We didn’t set up terms and conditions for our $100 is nothing much bet.

[Exit]

10k is a lot of money to everyone here unless you are that ratfuck Shkreli or a quadruple gender studies doctorate holder. Just because people spend 1k on a flaming horse mount doesn't mean they're rich, just that they have stupid priorities.

To be frank, it’s not a lot of money. To me, it’s what you American’s like to call “Chump change”.



Considering that $10k and up has to be reported to the IRS, I'd say that qualifies it as a large sum of money.



No, this is bullshit. If I won Powerball tomorrow and had $45872394273043 in my bank account, I'd still make sure shit was set up to where there was 0 chance of the winner of the bet not getting paid. I would think most people with any common sense would, even if $10k is actual chump change. Which I'm pretty sure SHM doesn't consider that chump change, regardless of whatever he makes. I'm also pretty sure he wouldn't trust someone to make good on a $10,000 bet over the internet just based on their word. Because that would be stupid as fuck.

Why would I care about the IRS? They have no jurisdiction here. I post on another website, where we regularly do bets of a couple of thousands of dollars, without a so-called middle man. A persons rep on the forum board is enough there. I agreed to his wager at first, because he indeed was acting like that amount of money wasn’t much to him. The reason I never came back and answered his reply, I received about 10 messages from people that he would back out, lie or just not honour our wager. These are from people here that do have a solid reputation, so I would think. In conclusion, what has happened, happened. I see no reason to squabble over it now. I’ll go back to being a leaf in the wind.

[Solkern]

No, this is bullshit. If I won Powerball tomorrow and had $45872394273043 in my bank account, I'd still make sure shit was set up to where there was 0 chance of the winner of the bet not getting paid. I would think most people with any common sense would, even if $10k is actual chump change.


Based on your thinking above, and what you would do in your hypothetical situation above where $10k is chump change and you’d still make sure there was 0 chance of the winner not getting paid.

For us $100 is chump change.. So why didn’t you set it up where there was a 0 chance of the winner not getting paid, for our bet? Because your previous actions are contradicting your words above.

Once again, that’s why I made that $10k to $100 comparison.

[Exit]

Based on your thinking above, even in your hypothetical situation above where $10k becomes chump change and you’d still make sure there was 0 chance of the winner not getting paid.

For us $100 is chump change.. So why didn’t you set it up where there was a 0 chance of the winner not getting paid, for our bet? Because your previous actions are contradicting your words above.

Once again, that’s why I made that $10k to $100 comparison.

This undeniably proves, that actions do indeed, speak louder than words.

[Methais]

To be frank, it’s not a lot of money. To me, it’s what you American’s like to call “Chump change”.




Why would I care about the IRS? They have no jurisdiction here. I post on another website, where we regularly do bets of a couple of thousands of dollars, without a so-called middle man. A persons rep on the forum board is enough there. I agreed to his wager at first, because he indeed was acting like that amount of money wasn’t much to him. The reason I never came back and answered his reply, I received about 10 messages from people that he would back out, lie or just not honour our wager. These are from people here that do have a solid reputation, so I would think. In conclusion, what has happened, happened. I see no reason to squabble over it now. I’ll go back to being a leaf in the wind.

I was just using that as a baseline for 10k being considered a "large amount." since at least in the US, that's when the IRS starts giving a shit about it. Obviously it's all relative. I also have no idea where you're from.


Based on your thinking above, and what you would do in your hypothetical situation above where $10k is chump change and you’d still make sure there was 0 chance of the winner not getting paid.

For us $100 is chump change.. So why didn’t you set it up where there was a 0 chance of the winner not getting paid, for our bet? Because your previous actions are contradicting your words above.

Once again, that’s why I made that $10k to $100 comparison.

Mainly because I've known you for almost 20 years now and your word has always been good from what I can remember.

If it was some random I didn't really know, or some colossal retard like macgyver, I would have done it differently because I wouldn't rely on the honor system to get paid if I won, even if it was just for a measly $100. I don't know anything about Exit, at least under that name, but that's irrelevant.

I don't recall SHM claiming that $10k was chump change to him, even though he makes pretty good money overall, but I assume you've seen him state that?

Either way, SHM asked about how to handle the money and got no reply, so I would have left it at that too. It doesn't put anyone at fault, imo. But chump change or not, I'm pretty sure SHM wouldn't rely on the honor system either unless he already knows Exit. Which they might be besties for all I know.

In unrelated news, every time I see you post "you go girl" I think of Stanley Roper...

https://i.gifer.com/RCE2.gif

[Solkern]

Either way, SHM asked about how to handle the money and got no reply, so I would have left it at that too. It doesn't put anyone at fault, imo. But chump change or not, I'm pretty sure SHM wouldn't rely on the honor system either unless he already knows Exit. Which they might be besties for all I know.

In unrelated news, every time I see you post "you go girl" I think of Stanley Roper...

https://i.gifer.com/RCE2.gif

He’s never explicitly said it, but he’s implied it, countless times at least over the past year, probably even longer.

And yeah everytime I type it I think them exact same thing!

[Realk]

this is unrelated, i lost a bet last year to someone.... i dont recall who now... but i reached out several times to him, he finally reached out to me and said whatever we both made the bet drunk... and he explained that he left pc which is why i wasnt getting a response... i considered that debt gone... no point to that story but i tried... haha obviously i was thinking about it more than he was.

[Realk]

i dont even remember what it was, like cardinals vrs someone game i think... good times...Hoy wont ever forget! if you want to welch dont do it on Hoy

[Latrinsorm]

Two weeks ago we had a record for most deaths in a day since August 26th.
Last week we had a record for most deaths in a day since August 12th.
This week we've already had a record for most deaths in a day since May 14th.

The President's last thirty tweets were about the election.

63 more days.

[Neveragain]

Two weeks ago we had a record for most deaths in a day since August 26th.
Last week we had a record for most deaths in a day since August 12th.
This week we've already had a record for most deaths in a day since May 14th.

The President's last thirty tweets were about the election.

63 more days.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFkTpJNZ-hgNVahpsm45ch66dWK7veVX0T_Q&usqp=CAU

[Hulkein]

I hopped in to check out the forums after a long absence! Glad we still have vibrant debate, LOL

[Back]

I hopped in to check out the forums after a long absence! Glad we still have vibrant debate, LOL

Heres a ghost from the past. Yo man hows life?

[Latrinsorm]

On August 31st, President Trump first told us we were "rounding the final turn" of the pandemic. One month later, he was proven right...

https://imgur.com/jMxrVis.png

...albeit in the opposite direction of what Americans wanted. Since June 8th (the new daily cases minimum between the spring and summer peaks) new daily deaths have tracked very precisely with new daily cases when time shifted by 18 days, as shown above. This means by December we are going to see over 2000 daily deaths for the first time since mid-April.

So there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that we're still right on track for 2000 daily deaths by December.

https://imgur.com/mrnfqcB.png

Also bad news is that we know from other countries that saw a recent uptick that this one isn't going to magically be different somehow, that deaths will still track proportionally to cases.

https://imgur.com/81HgauN.png

More bad news is that we are seeing uncontrolled spread from sea to shining sea.

.

Here's the good news.

https://imgur.com/se8XZWo.png

We are flattening the curve, and will reach a peak in new cases in the next week, which projects out to around 2750 daily deaths in mid December, with individual days in the mid 3000s. This also assumes that we won't see any increased mortality due to an overwhelmed healthcare system, or case spikes due to holiday travel, or people listening to the President of the United States when he lies that "far fewer people are dying when they get COVID" or retweets lies about the ineffectiveness of mask mandates.

That 2750 daily deaths qualifies as GOOD news is an incredibly grim portent for the next 58 days.

[Neveragain]

So there's good news and bad news. The bad news is that we're still right on track for 2000 daily deaths by December.

https://imgur.com/mrnfqcB.png

Also bad news is that we know from other countries that saw a recent uptick that this one isn't going to magically be different somehow, that deaths will still track proportionally to cases.

https://imgur.com/81HgauN.png

More bad news is that we are seeing uncontrolled spread from sea to shining sea.

.

Here's the good news.

https://imgur.com/se8XZWo.png

We are flattening the curve, and will reach a peak in new cases in the next week, which projects out to around 2750 daily deaths in mid December, with individual days in the mid 3000s. This also assumes that we won't see any increased mortality due to an overwhelmed healthcare system, or case spikes due to holiday travel, or people listening to the President of the United States when he lies that "far fewer people are dying when they get COVID" or retweets lies about the ineffectiveness of mask mandates.

That 2750 daily deaths qualifies as GOOD news is an incredibly grim portent for the next 58 days.

The real good news is that our current presidents fast track program has been wildly successful so much so, that, Biden will be using it.

Interesting you call it a lie when....mortality rates are lower, but you insist on towing the INGSOC party line. Are you always this pathetic?

[Latrinsorm]

The real good news is that our current presidents fast track program has been wildly successful so much so, that, Biden will be using it.

Interesting you call it a lie when....mortality rates are lower, but you insist on towing the INGSOC party line. Are you always this pathetic?

Mortality rate is deaths per population, which is not what the President said, which was "dying when they get COVID", which is the infection fatality rate, which as proven by the CDC's seroprevalence studies has not changed; it remains at 1%.

[Neveragain]

Mortality rate is deaths per population, which is not what the President said, which was "dying when they get COVID", which is the infection fatality rate, which as proven by the CDC's seroprevalence studies has not changed; it remains at 1%.

Like I said, are you always this pathetic?

Do we shut everything down now every flu season? If we can save just one life!

You twats won't even give credit to Trump for coming up with a program the has delivered a vaccine in record time.

Where's the outcry to bring China to justice for the mass murder across the globe, or are Democrats such cowardly cunts that they will give China a pass? (This is what I will be looking for out of this oval nursing home.)

[Methais]

I hopped in to check out the forums after a long absence! Glad we still have vibrant debate, LOL

Latrin has learned how to buy cold cuts all by himself since you were last here.

[Latrinsorm]

Like I said, are you always this pathetic?

Do we shut everything down now every flu season? If we can save just one life!

You twats won't even give credit to Trump for coming up with a program the has delivered a vaccine in record time.

Where's the outcry to bring China to justice for the mass murder across the globe, or are Democrats such cowardly cunts that they will give China a pass? (This is what I will be looking for out of this oval nursing home.)

About 3,300,000 people would have died from the coronavirus without shutdowns.
About 33,000 people usually die from the influenza virus without shutdowns.
This is why the cost of shutdowns outweighs the upsides for influenza, but not for coronavirus.

I'm not sure to whom you're referring with that plural, but I have been giving credit for advance manufacturing for months (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?125686-On-the-Vaccine&p=2170773#post2170773) so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm also not sure what you're referring to with China, but Representative Ocasio-Cortez (a Democrat) has been calling for action against China for various reasons for years, perhaps a review of her statements would cover whatever it is you're looking for.

[Methais]

I'm also not sure what you're referring to with China, but Representative Ocasio-Cortez (a Democrat) has been calling for action against China for various reasons for years, perhaps a review of her statements would cover whatever it is you're looking for.

After about 30 seconds of googling and the worst thing I find is AOC calling people racist for not eating at Chinese restaurants, I feel compelled to request that you post a link to some AOC quotes about taking action against China.

[Taernath]

After about 30 seconds of googling and the worst thing I find is AOC calling people racist for not eating at Chinese restaurants, I feel compelled to request that you post a link to some AOC quotes about taking action against China.

Googling "aoc china" gave me several results on what Latrin was referring to.

[Methais]

Googling "aoc china" gave me several results on what Latrin was referring to.

I did see some entries about her and Ted Cruz blasting the NBA over China. Other than that and Chinese restaurants, that's really all that's coming up when I google "aoc china."

You broke my Google. Reported for terrorism.

And backtraced.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HSNjoB5usWM/hqdefault.jpg

[caelric]

I did see some entries about her and Ted Cruz blasting the NBA over China. Other than that and Chinese restaurants, that's really all that's coming up when I google "aoc china."

You broke my Google. Reported for terrorism.

And backtraced.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/HSNjoB5usWM/hqdefault.jpg

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

[Realk]

well that escalated slightly.

[Ardwen]

Weren't Caelric and Methais on the same side in this silliness?

[RichardCranium]

Do y'all even copypasta?

[caelric]

Weren't Caelric and Methais on the same side in this silliness?

As RichardCranium said, it's copypasta, and slightly, tangentially related to the silliness of Latrin's neverending "On the ...." threads

[Latrinsorm]

As RichardCranium said, it's copypasta, and slightly, tangentially related to the silliness of Latrin's neverending "On the ...." threads

All things pass.

That starting in 57 days this will start to pass quicker is a great boon.

Though I doubt the ~100,000 who will die needlessly over those 57 days will be much consoled.

[Ardwen]

Like I have time to keep track of the shenanigans you whipper snappers get into, but if you are offering pasta I will take some shrimp scampi.

[Neveragain]

About 3,300,000 people would have died from the coronavirus without shutdowns.
About 33,000 people usually die from the influenza virus without shutdowns.
This is why the cost of shutdowns outweighs the upsides for influenza, but not for coronavirus.

I'm not sure to whom you're referring with that plural, but I have been giving credit for advance manufacturing for months (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?125686-On-the-Vaccine&p=2170773#post2170773) so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I'm also not sure what you're referring to with China, but Representative Ocasio-Cortez (a Democrat) has been calling for action against China for various reasons for years, perhaps a review of her statements would cover whatever it is you're looking for.

What makes 33,000 deaths acceptable?

Why do you want to kill grandma with the flu?

Why didn't we shut down for H1N1?

Where is the AOC link?

[Ardwen]

There is an AOC report about Blizzard and Apple in China that I am aware of beside the NBA thing, not a clue of others.

[Methais]

Like I have time to keep track of the shenanigans you whipper snappers get into, but if you are offering pasta I will take some shrimp scampi.

That copypasta has been around for longer than goatse.

I think.

Now I wish I could find that similar post Jubuls made on here forever ago about how he would kick the shit out of someone by doing things like jumping up and down on their stomach and other Jubuls sounding ninja stuff. :lol:

[Methais]

All things pass.

That starting in 57 days this will start to pass quicker is a great boon.

Though I doubt the ~100,000 who will die needlessly over those 57 days will be much consoled.

Silver lining: Those 100k people, even the ones who died of drug overdoses and motorcycle accidents, won't have to see your endless "On the..." threads.

I can't wait to see how quickly Biden cures Coronavirus all by himself.

[Ardwen]

Trust you to judge time as compared to goatse.

[RichardCranium]

Like I have time to keep track of the shenanigans you whipper snappers get into, but if you are offering pasta I will take some shrimp scampi.

Word has it Methais has the hook up on the best lobster in the northeast.

[Latrinsorm]

What makes 33,000 deaths acceptable?

Why do you want to kill grandma with the flu?

Why didn't we shut down for H1N1?

Where is the AOC link?

The cost.

I don't.

Because the costs wouldn't have outweighed the benefits.

Since I still don't know what about China you're referring to, I can't possibly give you a direct link to her response.

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Germany is looking at a -5% GDP year with 200 deaths per million capita.
We're looking at a -5% GDP year with 1000 deaths per million capita.
To save 250,000 lives with literally no impact on the economy should have been a no-brainer.
But the impact on the economy has never been the relevant cost to you people.
So here we are.

[caelric]

Always a winning argument when you use "you people "

[Ardwen]

Best lobster? I am like 30 minutes drive from fresh off the boats lobster, and yes it really is better that fresh. Sushi grade even.

[Neveragain]

The cost.

I don't.

Because the costs wouldn't have outweighed the benefits.

Since I still don't know what about China you're referring to, I can't possibly give you a direct link to her response.

.

Germany is looking at a -5% GDP year with 200 deaths per million capita.
We're looking at a -5% GDP year with 1000 deaths per million capita.
To save 250,000 lives with literally no impact on the economy should have been a no-brainer.
But the impact on the economy has never been the relevant cost to you people.
So here we are.

Obviously material wealth is more important to you than the lives that could be saved every year by shutting everything down every flu season.

You people are so heartless.

China, you know, the communist country that lied to the world and now has killed 100's of thousands lives around the globe.

[Latrinsorm]

Always a winning argument when you use "you people "

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

[Latrinsorm]

Obviously material wealth is more important to you than the lives that could be saved every year by shutting everything down every flu season.

You people are so heartless.

China, you know, the communist country that lied to the world and now has killed 100's of thousands lives around the globe.

As Tgo01 already demonstrated in another thread, China's reporting of SARS-CoV-2 was dramatically faster and more forthcoming than their reporting of SARS-CoV-1. If China's communication was a relevant factor, ergo, SARS-CoV-1 would have killed many more than SARS-CoV-2 even after factoring in our loss of President George W. Bush's leadership and famous knack for international cooperation.

But it didn't.

So it wasn't.

QED.

[caelric]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/012/132/thatsthejoke.jpg

Sure it was, l'il buddy, sure it was.

[Taernath]

Sure it was, l'il buddy, sure it was.

He even put it in italics aka sarcasm font.

[Latrinsorm]

Sure it was, l'il buddy, sure it was.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99IoN2pymfE

and it's got layers because when i say i'm a republican other republicans have been known to scoff

you see how my mind works? it's like a laser

put it on the tee for you and everything sm*h

[Methais]

Trust you to judge time as compared to goatse.

I started playing Gemstone III in the year 3 B.G.

[Methais]

He even put it in italics aka sarcasm font.

An elegant weapon for a more civilized time. For over a thousand generations italics were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Forums.

https://i.imgur.com/oUPqEDw.jpg

[Methais]

The cost.

I don't.

Because the costs wouldn't have outweighed the benefits.

Since I still don't know what about China you're referring to, I can't possibly give you a direct link to her response.

.

Germany is looking at a -5% GDP year with 200 deaths per million capita.
We're looking at a -5% GDP year with 1000 deaths per million capita.
To save 250,000 lives with literally no impact on the economy should have been a no-brainer.
But the impact on the economy has never been the relevant cost to you people.
So here we are.

What happened to “If it saves even just one life then it’s worth it.”?

[Neveragain]

What happened to “If it saves even just one life then it’s worth it.”?

We have to consider, Latrin also believes a person is better off in prison than the risk they face when smoking a joint.

[Latrinsorm]

What happened to “If it saves even just one life then it’s worth it.”?

The antecedent in that woman's experience in the Arizona desert is the sharing of knowledge, which is applicable to today's scenario (c.f. my next post).

[Ardwen]

Trump looking to bring back firing squads and electric chairs for executions before then end of the year...

[Methais]

Trump looking to bring back firing squads and electric chairs for executions before then end of the year...

He should bring back lions.

[Shaps]

Trump looking to bring back firing squads and electric chairs for executions before then end of the year...

Should just bring back the guillotine. Low overhead (fiduciary hawks rejoice), reusable (the eco-friendly crowd should enjoy that aspect), low maintenance (dependable and sturdy - American made), and no special qualifications required for the operators (thus increasing job growth).

All in all, a fine plan that supports multiple ideological perspectives.

[Ardwen]

In that case just use an airtight room, cleanup costs are lower then a guillotine after all.

[Shaps]

In that case just use an airtight room, cleanup costs are lower then a guillotine after all.

Excellent idea, but reduces job opportunities, thus reducing disposable income, thus reducing taxes, thus reducing the capabilities of the welfare state.

Think long term!

[Ardwen]

I am thinking long term, which is why I want Trump out of office.

[Latrinsorm]

248 Texans died yesterday from the coronavirus, the most of any state in the Union, but Texas is pretty big.

If Tennessee was as big as Texas, 400 Tennesseans would have died yesterday.
If Missouri was as big as Texas, 500 Missourians would have died yesterday.
If Iowa was as big as Texas, 750 Iowans would have died yesterday.
If Kansas was as big as Texas, 1000 Kansans would have died yesterday.
If South Dakota was as big as Texas, 1000 South Dakotans would have died yesterday.

This remains the last Tweet from our President about COVID:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1330282078223687686

There is help coming, in 46 days.
But a hundred thousand of us won't have 46 days.
We have to pull together now.

Us.

If New York was as big as Texas, 85 New Yorkers would have died yesterday.
We aren't helpless. We aren't babies. We know what we have to do, and we can do it.
If you ever dreamed of the moon shot, or marching with the Reverend Doctor, or socking ol' Adolf in the jaw, this is our time.
This is our chance.
Today.

Now.