Fun with side by side! Yay!

[Tgo01]

So I was bored, I have a lot of characters, and I have a lot of unused CM points. So why not test out some side by side boosts?

Some things to note:

After testing at several different ranks on several different characters it looked like the AS and DS bonus was always the same so eventually I just started testing for DS bonus and I have omitted the AS bonus testing from here so the data won't be so cluttered.
Whenever there are 2 people in the group one of them is Dreaven who doesn't have any side by side ranks, the other is a person with side by side training.
Each group member helped to increase the boost to AS/DS but group members with side by side training themselves gave a greater boost than those without. It just required 3 group members with side by side training (so the person receiving the boost plus 2 other group members with side by side) to receive max benefit.
Each person's CM ranks remained the same throughout testing, only their side by side ranks changed.



Ryjin: 202 ranks CM, level 100
Vonaq: 131 ranks CM, level 100
Dravnib: 190 ranks CM, level 93
Iteno: 202 ranks CM, level 100
Fulvus: 84 ranks CM, level 81
Snooshezis: 128 ranks CM, 92
Najash: 101 ranks CM, level 100

0 ranks, 11 group members
Defense strength in offensive:
Dreaven: 49
Vonaq: 93
Ryjin: 211
Bochser: 49
Najash: 40
Ardque: 42
Iteno: 61
Dravnib: 186
Snooshezis: 225
Fulvus: 90
Kholac: 37

Ryjin: 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
2 group members
Ryjin: 213 +2

3 group members
Ryjin: 214 +3

11 group members
Ryjin: 214 +3
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Ryjin: 1 rank, Vonaq 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
2 group members
Ryjin: 213 +2
Vonaq: 94 +1

3 group members
Ryjin: 214 +3
Vonaq: 96 +3

11 group members
Ryjin: 215 +4
Vonaq: 96 +3
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Ryjin 2 ranks, Vonaq 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 217 +6
Vonaq: 97 +4
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Ryjin 2 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 218 +7
Vonaq: 100 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 221 +10
Vonaq: 100 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 1 rank:
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 222 +11
Vonaq: 100 +7
Dravnib: 193 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 1 rank, Iteno 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 222 +11
Vonaq: 100 +7
Dravnib: 193 +7
Iteno: 68 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 1 rank, Iteno 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 223 +12
Vonaq: 100 +7
Dravnib: 193 +7
Iteno: 71 +10
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 1 rank, Iteno 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 224 +13
Vonaq: 101 +8
Dravnib: 194 +8
Iteno: 74 +13
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 1 rank, Iteno 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 225 +14
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 195 +9
Iteno: 76 +15
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 2 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 225 +14
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 198 +12
Iteno: 77 +16
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 78 +17
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 96 +6
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 97 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 100 +10
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 225 +14 (WENT DOWN 1?!?!?!?!?!)
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 200 +14 (WENT DOWN 1?!?!?!?!?!)
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 102 +12
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Same ranks as above but different group members:
Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
Each group member being added below all have side by side except 1 who is in the group from the very beginning starting with 2
2 group members
Ryjin: 216
3 group members
Ryjin: 221
4 group members
Ryjin: 225
5 group members
Ryjin: 226
6 group members
Ryjin 225
Looks like some sort of rounding shenanigans going on.
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 225 +14
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 200 +14
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 102 +12
Snooshezis: 232 +7
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 4 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 225 +14
Vonaq: 102 +9
Dravnib: 200 +14
Iteno: 78 +17
Fulvus: 102 +12
Snooshezis: 234 +9

Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 103 +10
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 81 +20
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 235 +10

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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 4 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 230 +19
Vonaq: 103 +10
Dravnib: 206 +20
Iteno: 82 +21
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 235 +10
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 231 +20
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 209 +23
Iteno: 83 +22
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 4 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 234 +23
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 210 +24
Iteno: 84 +23
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 239 +14
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 105 +15
Snooshezis: 239 +14

Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Snooshezis: 241 +16
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Snooshezis: 243 +18
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 3 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 106 +13
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 4 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 108 +15
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 111 +18
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 51 + 11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 53 + 13
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 55 + 15
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 57 + 17
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 59 + 19


I'll test some more as I unlearn some CM.

[gilchristr]

I feel like SBS works off of CM ranks per level rather than absolute CM ranks.

When I was lower train and had the equiv. of 2.5x CM ranks per level due to enhancives, it seemed like I got greater bonuses from this than when I had more absolute CM ranks.

[Tgo01]

I feel like SBS works off of CM ranks per level rather than absolute CM ranks.

When I was lower train and had the equiv. of 2.5x CM ranks per level due to enhancives, it seemed like I got greater bonuses from this than when I had more absolute CM ranks.

That's very possible.

[gilchristr]

OK, well its a theory I have not seen addressed in most SBS testing. A lot of the testing has been at level 100, but I think the bonues might be pretty good at a low train with lots of SBS ranks, lots of CM (with a done of CM enhancives)

[Tgo01]

Got Iteno his fifth rank of side by side:



Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 3 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 226 +15
Vonaq: 103 +10
Dravnib: 201 +15
Iteno: 81 +20
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 235 +10

So I'm guessing +20 AS/DS is the most you can expect from side by side.

[Ardwen]

Thought we tested this when they originally came out with the CMans, though not sure where it was posted or when for that matter. Always interesting to see the finished math.

[Demgar]

Check the links at the bottom of the SBS wiki page, there's a doc with some good research. Up to +23 has been observed apparently.

https://gswiki.play.net/Side_by_Side

[Tgo01]

You guys are right, the cap isn't +20.

More stats!



Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 4 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 230 +19
Vonaq: 103 +10
Dravnib: 206 +20
Iteno: 82 +21
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 235 +10
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Ryjin 3 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 231 +20
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 209 +23
Iteno: 83 +22
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 4 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 234 +23
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 210 +24
Iteno: 84 +23
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 236 +11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 4 ranks, Snooshezis 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 103 +13
Snooshezis: 239 +14
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Ryjin: 237 +26
Vonaq: 104 +11
Dravnib: 211 +25
Iteno: 85 +24
Fulvus: 105 +15
Snooshezis: 239 +14

Got a +26 bonus up in here!

What was really interesting was Ryjin getting an extra +4 just from Dravnib getting his 4th rank of Side by Side.

Also note how Vonaq didn't get any extra benefit from Dravnib's 4th rank but got an extra point from his 5th rank and then didn't get any extra bonus after that, whereas Fulvus didn't get any extra bonus from anyone getting another rank except for when he did.

Looks like there is a cap to your bonus in relation to the ranks of everyone else. This is all too much math for me to see any sort of pattern or formula. Maybe someone else can figure that out :O

[Tgo01]

More side by side fun!

To make it easier to read I have changed the way I report data to only include someone's bonus if it has changed from the previous set of data. Also a new challenger approaches! Najash has entered the fray of side by side shenanigans!


Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Snooshezis: 241 +16
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 2 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Snooshezis: 243 +18
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 3 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 106 +13
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 4 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 108 +15
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Vonaq: 111 +18
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 1 rank
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 51 + 11
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 2 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 53 + 13
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 3 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 55 + 15
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 4 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 57 + 17
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Ryjin 5 ranks, Vonaq 5 ranks, Dravnib 5 ranks, Iteno 5 ranks, Fulvus 5 ranks, Snooshezis 5 ranks, Najash 5 ranks
Defense strength in offensive:
11 group members
Najash 59 + 19

It seems Ryjin has maxed out at a bonus of 26 with 5 ranks of side by side and 202 ranks of CM. So either 26 bonus is the max or it's possible he'll get more bonus when other people get more CM, or perhaps I need to add even more people to the mix with 5 ranks of side by side, but I doubt that.

I'm all done testing though. I don't want to get side by side with my pures and I'm out of characters to add to the mix.

[Tgo01]

Interesting to note is Vonaq maxed out at 18 bonus and Najash at 19, even though Vonaq has more CM than Najash. This might just be the rounding shenanigans I saw with Ryjin in earlier testing.

Also interesting to note is Ryjin maxed out at 26 bonus and Iteno 24 bonus even though they both have 5 ranks of side by side and 202 ranks of CM. This could be more rounding shenanigans I suppose, Ryjin's bonus rounded up 1 and Iteno's rounded down 1.

Actually you know what? I'm a dork. I've been training Ryjin in dodging in between posts so I bet that is where he got at least 1 point of DS increase, possibly even 2. Iteno has no ranks of dodge so no problem there.

I bet the real max bonus is 25, that's a much more round number so that makes sense. Doesn't explain why Iteno maxed out at 24, unless more rounding shenanigans.