Jean-Paul II is dead [Archive] - The Gemstone IV Players' Corner

Xcalibur

03-31-2005, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Yswithe
haven't read any press related to that, all I know is that he's suffering from a UTI, although, he really isn't doing that well, so I wouldn't be surprised.

Send me a link, plz

Sure, open your tv at cable 13 (tqs)

Hulkein: ahh, Last Rights... thought it was simply extrem onction..

That given = you're going very soon.

4a6c1

03-31-2005, 05:04 PM

Damn. He was my favorite pope ever. We arent likely going to see a more open minded pope in the next 300 years. :sniffle:

Xcalibur

03-31-2005, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by JihnasSpirit
Damn. He was my favorite pope ever. We arent likely going to see a more open minded pope in the next 300 years. :sniffle:

Most of the "probable" successors are close-minded conservators...

Going to be so great:no:

Apotheosis

03-31-2005, 05:08 PM

after him, we're going to see changes a bit more radical then what was brought on by Vatican 2.. I believe this is the last 'conservative' pope we will see in authority... even though his probable successors are more conservative, that doesn't rule out a major change in church politics

Wezas

03-31-2005, 05:13 PM

The latest news:

Fair & Balanced source (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,152088,00.html)

Urinary infections tend to respond well to antibiotics, given either as pills or intravenously, and "I would suspect there's a very good chance he's going to recover well," Siegel said.

03-31-2005, 05:21 PM

I am truly saddened by these events. May God be with him.

- Arkans

Apotheosis

03-31-2005, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by Arkans
I am truly saddened by these events. May God be with him.

- Arkans

what? no "fucking pwn3d!!!@@!1one"?

4a6c1

03-31-2005, 05:27 PM

no. teh pope rox. and therefore gets no fucking pwnt. shame on u.

:nono:

Wezas

03-31-2005, 05:31 PM

I hope when he dies Sinead O'Connor bursts into flames.

Apotheosis

03-31-2005, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by Wezas
I hope when he dies Sinead O'Connor bursts into flames.

:lol:

Originally posted by JinhasSpirit
no. teh pope rox. and therefore gets no fucking pwnt. shame on u.

i am probably going to hell for that one.

Latrinsorm

03-31-2005, 06:15 PM

It's Last Rites, and being given it does not necessarily mean you're going to die. My dad got it before he got bypass surgery, and he's doing just fine.

However, I wouldn't expect JP to hang around much longer, more's the pity. :(

03-31-2005, 06:18 PM

Hell no. I don't fuck with the Pope in a situation like this at all.

- Arkans

ElanthianSiren

03-31-2005, 07:32 PM

:( Hopefully, his passing will be peaceful when it occurrs, and he won't be in pain.

-Melissa

Back

03-31-2005, 08:15 PM

He is recovering (http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/story.jsp?idq=/ff/story/0001/20050331/1934550919.htm&ewp=ewp_news_pope&floc=NW_1-T). Maybe from all the people in the world praying for him. Or, maybe to find out who ordered/delivered his last rights.

http://www.zendada.com/images/pope.jpg

[Edited on 4-1-2005 by Backlash]

SpunGirl

03-31-2005, 09:19 PM

Maybe it's because I've never been Catholic, but I don't understand why so many people revere and worry over the Pope. I know he's the leader of the Church (kind of), but I still don't get why one person should be so much "closer" to God than the rest of the rifraff running around. Someone care to explain? (I'm not being sarcastic, I actually am interested).

-K

AnticorRifling

03-31-2005, 09:26 PM

He's closer to God because he followed some rules written by man.

Sucks he's dying as he is a person, but it's not any more important than any other person dying. A life is a life.

Hulkein

03-31-2005, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by SpunGirl
Maybe it's because I've never been Catholic, but I don't understand why so many people revere and worry over the Pope. I know he's the leader of the Church (kind of), but I still don't get why one person should be so much "closer" to God than the rest of the rifraff running around. Someone care to explain? (I'm not being sarcastic, I actually am interested).

-K

There was a Nostradomus prediction that this would be the last Pope before the Anti-Christ.

Not that I buy into that fully, but kind of weird.

People love the Pope because he's been there so long, a couple of my aunts met him, my grandmom met him, he's been there since many people have been alive.

Just a type of attachment that comes with time.

Plus he's a great man.

[Edited on 4-1-2005 by Hulkein]

Back

03-31-2005, 09:37 PM

People have also said that if you drink from the skull of Nostrodomos, you will recieve the precognition he had.

Tsa`ah

03-31-2005, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by Backlash
People have also said that if you drink from the skull of Nostrodomos, you will recieve the precognition he had.

Or you could just do it like the other practicing cabalist of the time .... stare into a clear glass bowl filled with water suspended by a brass holder over a lit candle and take hallucinogenic.

I vote for that because drinking out of a skull is just not kosher.

Sad to see the man suffer though. He was probably the most open minded and progressive in comparison to his predecessors. Unlike Pius XII, John II :heart: the Jews.

Back

03-31-2005, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Tsa`ah
Or you could just do it like the other practicing cabalist of the time .... stare into a clear glass bowl filled with water suspended by a brass holder over a lit candle and take hallucinogenic.

Read a book that claimed that those who heightened their senses were able to progress further.

Then again, the same author claimed that mushroom spores were hearty enough to withstand the vacuum of space.

Alfster

03-31-2005, 09:59 PM

What book was that?

Back

03-31-2005, 10:10 PM

Unfortunately, I don’t have the book here. I looked up what I thought was his name but found nothing.

It was published in the 90’s. I was reading The cult of Bob (http://www.subgenius.com/) at the time to.

Oh those Cali days!

Ravenstorm

03-31-2005, 10:31 PM

Originally posted by Hulkein
Plus he's a great man.

Damn. And I was doing so well at staying out of this too.

A great man? Hardly. For too many people, everything he says is gospel. He knows this. In fact, he expects this. He's Pope. It goes with the job.

The man is as big a bigot as any good old boy Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard. The fact his bigotry is confined to just one group of people doesn't excuse it nor that it's based on some two thousand year old... book. He is directly responsible for the suffering of millions of people.

He is also indirectly responsible for the suffering and death of millions of other people due to his lies and ridiculous dictates about contraceptives. If once the Catholic Church chose to change its moronic stance designed solely to breed new worshippers it could focus on preventing people from getting AIDS and dying. Of course, who cares if they die so long as they follow the dogma, right?

That he's done good doesn't negate the evil the man is responsible for. Nor does him being less of an asshole than previous Popes make him a saint. And that's the last I'll say about that.

SpunGirl

04-01-2005, 01:29 AM

Heh. My dad's family was very Catholic, and the only birth control my grandmother (who WAS a great, great woman regardless) used was the rythym method.

That got her seven kids.

-K

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 01:30 AM

I agree Raven. I won't be shedding a tear.

Nieninque

04-01-2005, 05:53 AM

Shame, so the Pope is dying. Sad to see anyone die, but he can take his religious shit with him. Just a shame they will appoint another bugger.

04-01-2005, 06:39 AM

Dude, wasn't this in that book? I bet his assistant poisoned him and we're gonna see the illuminiti try and come back

Asha

04-01-2005, 06:43 AM

The only thing that saddens me about any religous icons death is the folk who are devastated by it.
Usually more than a few.

Farquar

04-01-2005, 06:51 AM

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
That he's done good doesn't negate the evil the man is responsible for. Nor does him being less of an asshole than previous Popes make him a saint. And that's the last I'll say about that.

I think this view is extreme. Undoubtedly, the pope is human and flawed. Evil, however, requires intent to harm and intent to cause evil. I'm not a Catholic fanboy, but I sincerely doubt the pope meant to harm anyone. Perhaps many people have been adversely affected by his decisions, but how can you judge someone in his position? I don't think you're the least bit qualified to judge a man who has to make decisions that affect a billion people.

As for the pope's condition, I'm sorry to see him in poor health, but at the same time, I'm excited for the future of the Caholic Church. I believe that the next pope will overturn the celibacy of the clergy doctrine and finally let priests marry.

theotherjohn

04-01-2005, 08:02 AM

the important question is how will the church react to a black pope?

xtc

04-01-2005, 08:06 AM

Originally posted by Farquar

Originally posted by Ravenstorm
That he's done good doesn't negate the evil the man is responsible for. Nor does him being less of an asshole than previous Popes make him a saint. And that's the last I'll say about that.

I think this view is extreme. Undoubtedly, the pope is human and flawed. Evil, however, requires intent to harm and intent to cause evil. I'm not a Catholic fanboy, but I sincerely doubt the pope meant to harm anyone. Perhaps many people have been adversely affected by his decisions, but how can you judge someone in his position? I don't think you're the least bit qualified to judge a man who has to make decisions that affect a billion people.

As for the pope's condition, I'm sorry to see him in poor health, but at the same time, I'm excited for the future of the Caholic Church. I believe that the next pope will overturn the celibacy of the clergy doctrine and finally let priests marry.

I would agree whole heartedly Farquar. I am not a Catholic "fanboy" either. I think Evil is a little much.

Let's not forget the Pope's great influence in liberating Poland and bringing an end to the Soviet Empire.

Xcalibur

04-01-2005, 08:24 AM

Originally posted by theotherjohn
the important question is how will the church react to a black pope?

Although they aren't "racist", it won't happen in our lifetime.

Parkbandit

04-01-2005, 08:27 AM

Atlanteax

04-01-2005, 08:56 AM

Next Pope may be an American (not necessarily US) one.

That'll be interesting, if the constant European-centric papacy is "broken" like that...

... but the reasoning is that Christianity is world-wide, and thus non-Europeans ought to be the Pope from time to time.

Xcalibur

04-01-2005, 09:02 AM

Originally posted by Atlanteax
Next Pope may be an American (not necessarily US) one.

That'll be interesting, if the constant European-centric papacy is "broken" like that...

... but the reasoning is that Christianity is world-wide, and thus non-Europeans ought to be the Pope from time to time.

Who was the last non-European Pape?

Azul

04-01-2005, 09:19 AM

There won't be a "non european" pope for the same reason there won't be a minority getting sworn in as president of the United States. ....atleast in our lifetime.

HarmNone

04-01-2005, 09:33 AM

According to what I've read this morning, the Pope is in septic shock. Considering his fragility, it is doubtful that he will recover. He has received the Holy Viaticum (communion reserved for those who are near death) and remains at the Vatican, as is his wish.

theotherjohn

04-01-2005, 09:56 AM

Originally posted by Atlanteax
Next Pope may be an American (not necessarily US) one.

I think the next Pope will be Pius Ncube or Dario Hoyos

SpunGirl

04-01-2005, 11:42 AM

How is the new Pope chosen? From what I understand, it's a certain group of church officials who get to decide, but what are the details?

-K

Wezas

04-01-2005, 11:44 AM

If only Bush had lost the election, he'd be available and a shoe-in.

HarmNone

04-01-2005, 11:46 AM

http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20020503.html

Found that link that may answer your question, Spun. :)

SpunGirl

04-01-2005, 11:47 AM

Thanks HN!

-K

04-01-2005, 12:07 PM

Bitter much? How can you even think of comparing the Pope to anyone in the Ku Klux Klan. That comment is borderline retarded, serioussly.

- Arkans

CrystalTears

04-01-2005, 12:13 PM

I'm not even going there, Arkans. Those are seriously rocky waters that I don't plan on crossing. Don't do it!

Wezas

04-01-2005, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by Arkans
How can you even think of comparing the Pope to anyone in the Ku Klux Klan.
- Arkans

The hat similarities probably confused him.

http://www.state.ia.us/government/crc/kkkhood.jpg vs. http://www.hatsinthebelfry.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/a3359whitepope-150.jpg

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 12:19 PM

Raven is hurt personally, what he's saying isn't rational.

Condemning the act of homosexuality and birth control make him comparable to a KKK member?

You'd think John Paul II found Ravenstorm and personally beat him with a pipe...

04-01-2005, 12:20 PM

It just shows the tolerance of Ravenstorm and people that hold his same belief. It goes like this, "We won't judge you and accept whatever you believe as long as it 100% jives with our views" Keep up the tolerance, man.

- Arkans

Jenisi

04-01-2005, 01:23 PM

And now he's dead

Keller

04-01-2005, 01:28 PM

May Allah, lord of the worlds and master of judgement have mercy on his non-believing soul.

peam

04-01-2005, 01:42 PM

There's a big April Fool's waiting for him.

xtc

04-01-2005, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by Keller
May Allah, lord of the worlds and master of judgement have mercy on his non-believing soul.

He is of the book Allah will forgive him

HarmNone

04-01-2005, 01:44 PM

Apparently, the reports of the Pope's death were premature.

Wezas

04-01-2005, 02:17 PM

(stolen from another site, but amusing)

http://purple.caltech.edu/lloyd/gfx/princess/max.jpg

"You see, your Pope is only mostly dead."

Wezas

04-01-2005, 02:26 PM

As of 1 minute ago:
CNN-
VATICAN CITY (CNN) -- Pope John Paul II's breathing is becoming shallow and several of his major organs -- including his kidneys and heart -- are growing weaker, the Vatican said Friday.

The Vatican has denied reports in the Italian media that the pope had died.

Vatican spokesman Joaquin Navarro-Valls said earlier that the pope was in "very serious condition" Friday afternoon, but he is "lucid, fully conscious" and "very serene."

peam

04-01-2005, 02:49 PM

Originally posted by Wezas
(stolen from another site, but amusing)

http://purple.caltech.edu/lloyd/gfx/princess/max.jpg

"You see, your Pope is only mostly dead."

Stealing from Fark.com rules.

Keller

04-01-2005, 04:08 PM

Originally posted by peam
There's a big April Fool's waiting for him.

This made me laugh, a lot.

Xcalibur

04-01-2005, 05:01 PM

He'll be announced dead today or tomorrow:(

Keller

04-01-2005, 05:02 PM

Originally posted by Xcalibur
He'll be announced dead today or tomorrow:(

Seriously.

You know shit.

Shit.

Go away.

Wezas

04-01-2005, 05:22 PM

Originally posted by peam
Stealing from Fark.com rules.

I knew you and a few others were big fark fans. No way I'd deny credit where credit is due.

Xcalibur

04-01-2005, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by Keller

Originally posted by Xcalibur
He'll be announced dead today or tomorrow:(

Seriously.

You know shit.

Shit.

Go away.

Us, people not centered at the US, know a little more than just what's happening within our country.

GSLeloo

04-01-2005, 07:04 PM

Last thing I heard on the radio was his kidneys were failing and he has a fever from a UTI.

Gan

04-01-2005, 08:40 PM

My nextdoor neighbors are devout Catholics and are devistated by the Pope's condition and eminent demise. I understand their sadness at the prospect of losing a very important icon to their religion... but...

Its not like there's not going to be another Pope. I am sad too because its someone who notably has done some great and not so great things that affected many many people over his lifetime. However, I'm not going to wear sack cloth and ashes and run out in the street and gnash my teeth and beat myself sensless because of his passing.

I think it stems from the idea that I dont believe/support the catholic practice of praying to the priest who prays to the bishop who prays to the arch bishop who prays to the cardinal who prays to the Pope in order for him to pray to God on my behalf instead of me being able to pray directly to God. (Pardon my inaccuracy if I got the order wrong there) No one, and I mean no one alive has the preordained right to intercede on my behalf to God. If I have the free will to sin then I also have the free will to pray directly to God.

But that is probably for another topic.

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 08:51 PM

<<I think it stems from the idea that I dont believe/support the catholic practice of praying to the priest who prays to the bishop who prays to the arch bishop who prays to the cardinal who prays to the Pope in order for him to pray to God>>

Going to Catholic College for 12 years, I've never been told to do that...

The Pope runs the Church, that's pretty much all I believe.

He's just a great man, in my opinion.

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 08:53 PM

Yasser was better.

[Edited on 2-4-05 by StrayRogue]

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 09:02 PM

Better at being a terrorist and parlaying that into some semblence of a legitimate leader... yes.

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:03 PM

Killing people using a pen or a speech is no better or worse than someone who kills with a gun.

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 09:07 PM

The pope hasn't killed anyone with a pen or speech, so what you're saying is irrelevent.

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:09 PM

Believe what you want. I believe that by denouncing contraception, among other things, he's ruined the lives of a lot of people.

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 09:11 PM

Honestly, besides the bullshit you read from Ravenstorm, how much do you know of the pope?

Or do you just bash the man to anger his religious followers because you're intolerent?

Hulkein

04-01-2005, 09:14 PM

And besides my question, you (and many others) say teaching abstinence doesn't work, so how does him denouncing contraception ruin lives?

Or are you just nitpicking any little thing to bash someone who has led a pretty amazing life?

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:15 PM

Oh so you're saying he was all for it?

You're saying he never publicly said that contraception shouldn't be used?

You're saying that throughout his tenure as pop he's never ever said anything negative or, quoting himself "culture of death", about homosexuality, abortion, divorce or contraception?

If you want I can try and explain WHY he thinks these, because whether or not you agree, he has said the above and abmonished anyone who falls within the above categories. Equally so, if you believe that his views have not effected the lives of thousands...well thats your view.

04-01-2005, 09:16 PM

I fail to see anything wrong the Pope did. He just follows a religion that teaches people to be good and lead healthy moral lives. What's so bad about that?

- Arkans

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:17 PM

Telling a mass audience that they should avoid contraception, abortion, divorce and homosexuality isn't very nice. Especially if they feel they have to live by those rules.

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by Hulkein
And besides my question, you (and many others) say teaching abstinence doesn't work, so how does him denouncing contraception ruin lives?

Contraception saves lives. End of story.

04-01-2005, 09:19 PM

So having a different view than yours isn't "nice"? Where is the tolerance?

- Arkans

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:21 PM

Come on Arkans. A figure of such power and significance denouncing something is indeed quite an event. You claim intolerance. He was an intolerant guy. Hell, because of him a whole culture have assumed an intolerant view on others when what they should be being taught is to love one another.

Theres no chance in hell you can convince me that his saying that contraception was bad did not effect the lives of thousands of people.

04-01-2005, 09:24 PM

People honestly need to think for themselves. What ever happened to responsibility for your own actions. I consider myself a Catholic, but I'm not going to be foolish enough to think that not using contraception is a bad idea. It prevents disease and unwanted pregnancy. Ideally, we should abstain from sex until marriage, but this is not an ideal world and the Bible also acknowledges that people are sinners.

- Arkans

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:26 PM

I totally, 100% agree Arkans. But that doesn't change the fact that the Pope and his belief's do not effect the lives of thousands of people.

04-01-2005, 09:29 PM

I am not saying that the Pope is a fool in anyway before I put this quote down. I respect the man too much to do that, but this quote does apply. Remember when Ben Kenobi leads everyone onto the Death Star and asks:

"Who's the bigger fool? The fool or the fool that follows him?"

If you know something is wrong, unhealthy, or unsafe, why on Earth would you do it? People just need a few brain cells to rub together to realize that some things are just not practicle and as long as you accept Jesus and are a generally good person you are a good Catholic as well.

- Arkans

StrayRogue

04-01-2005, 09:31 PM

Yep Arkans. But you can't discount the fact most people will follow. And I'm sure many have in regards to the Popes rather intolerant views.

04-01-2005, 09:35 PM

You're right, I can't discount that many people did follow what he says. What I can say is that we choose to blame different people. I'm a huge advocate of personal responsiblity and if somebody is going to have premarital sex and not use contraception, I think they have nobody to blame but themselves for making such a boneheaded move.

- Arkans

04-01-2005, 09:54 PM

This was my first Pope ever :(

Gan

04-01-2005, 09:56 PM

<He just follows a religion that teaches people to be good and lead healthy moral lives>

Its a good thing Catholocism has mellowed since the days of the Jesuits and the Inquisition.

Other than that, I agree mostly with the theory of personal responsibility... But from my studies I've learned that Catholocism is designed to do all the thinking for the masses which is the reverse of personal responsibility.

This concept (of the masses being too ignorant to worshop and interpret the word of God) is explored/described in some of the writings of St. Thomas Acquinas as well as a few others that I cant recall offhand. I'll ask my neighbor next time I see him outside since he is more versed in his religion and the studies/tenets therein than I.

Wezas

04-01-2005, 10:18 PM

The problem is not the Pope. The problem comes when leaders of countries follow blindly to create laws for their country.

04-01-2005, 10:29 PM

I agree Wezas. Furthermore, I understand the Catholic religion did some terrible things. What you need to understand is that these rarely (if ever) were truly in the name of God. These actions were put into motion by Humans who just used the religion to put their goals into motion and to gain acceptance.

- Arkans

Xcalibur

04-01-2005, 11:49 PM

Pape is dead...

Vatican is preparing the Annonciation

:(

p.s. Many countries that use contraceptions still have hundred and thousands of people that die because of STD.

Pape's fault?

[Edited on 2-4-05 by Xcalibur]

Back

04-01-2005, 11:51 PM

And here I thought he was on the upswing. Could have sworn the Italian papers said he was...

Anyway,

<---tipping the glass for the pope

HarmNone

04-01-2005, 11:55 PM

He had appeared to be responding to the antibiotics for a bit, Backlash, but the rally did not hold. He is in septic shock and multi organ system failure. :(

SpunGirl

04-02-2005, 12:41 AM

So... if you have sex before marriage you're sinning, but if you do it with a condom that's a double whammy.

Yeah, that makes sense.

-K

Latrinsorm

04-02-2005, 12:43 AM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
A figure of such power and significance denouncing something is indeed quite an event. ... Theres no chance in hell you can convince me that his saying that contraception was bad did not effect the lives of thousands of people. The Pope also denounced extramarital sex. How'd that work out?

Back

04-02-2005, 12:44 AM

There goes someone who was not able to adapt, adopt and improve. As shame... but progress lay forward.

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 12:46 AM

Originally posted by Latrinsorm

Originally posted by StrayRogue
A figure of such power and significance denouncing something is indeed quite an event. ... Theres no chance in hell you can convince me that his saying that contraception was bad did not effect the lives of thousands of people. The Pope also denounced extramarital sex. How'd that work out?

Whahey for being a dumbass. I'm betting by the Pope's account on decent living, you're a dirty dirty sinner. I know I am, but I'm atleast not some hypocritical tool saying what he says is good though.

04-02-2005, 12:47 AM

A black pope would be awesome.

Latrinsorm

04-02-2005, 12:52 AM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
Whahey for being a dumbass.I'm assuming Whahey is a keen British word for Congratulations. Thanks. :)
I'm betting by the Pope's account on decent living, you're a dirty dirty sinner.Beats me. I'm alright with Jesus.
I know I am, but I'm atleast not some hypocritical tool saying what he says is good though. Yeah, I say that all the time. :?:

So yeah, good rebuttal.

How do you stay up so late? I always have trouble going to sleep when it's light out.

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 12:54 AM

So you're never used contraception, never had pre-martial sex, never fratenized in a friendly manner with someone who is gay or made your spouse have an abortion?

Artha

04-02-2005, 12:55 AM

How do you stay up so late? I always have trouble going to sleep when it's light out.
I bet it has something to do with being on GMT.

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 12:56 AM

Just finishing up on the Wavedancer. GS events always screw up my sleeping pattern. I've got the weekend off though, so I'll be set soon.

Hulkein

04-02-2005, 02:02 AM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I totally, 100% agree Arkans. But that doesn't change the fact that the Pope and his belief's do not effect the lives of thousands of people.

While the Pope denounced contraceptives, he also denounced sex before marriage.

If you were to listen to everything the Pope said, you'd be in good shape.

He also denounced the act of homosexuality, not the person. Dislike the sin, not the person.

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by Hulkein

Originally posted by StrayRogue
I totally, 100% agree Arkans. But that doesn't change the fact that the Pope and his belief's do not effect the lives of thousands of people.

While the Pope denounced contraceptives, he also denounced sex before marriage.

If you were to listen to everything the Pope said, you'd be in good shape.

He also denounced the act of homosexuality, not the person. Dislike the sin, not the person.

Please tell me the difference between the act of being gay and being gay is all about. Contraceptions don't just stop people from getting pregnant you know. There is other reasons to where one.

God if you think this guy didn't have a huge negative, as well as positive, effect on the world, you really are one of these naive, hypocritical religious freaks who won't stop pestering people about how they live in Sin and how they should stop living the way they are.

Theyesman

04-02-2005, 02:08 AM

Is he dead yet?

HarmNone

04-02-2005, 02:09 AM

No announcement has yet been made that the Pope is dead.

Hulkein

04-02-2005, 02:10 AM

<< Contraceptions don't just stop people from getting pregnant you know. There is other reasons to where one. >>

And if you're not having sex before marriage, you're having sex with someone who was tested for STDs before marriage, like is the norm.

Theyesman

04-02-2005, 02:11 AM

Depends on the contraception. The goal is to not have sex with someone with diseases so as long as she is on birth control you don't have to wear a condom :-D

SpunGirl

04-02-2005, 02:12 AM

I heard on the news that they'll close the shades on the Pope's apartment when he passes.

Regarding religious fervor, I saw a woman being interviewed on the news the other day. She was one of the protesters outside Terri Schiavo's hospice. She said, "God is on our side, and when God is on your side you can never ever lose."

I guess God really wasn't on her side.

-K

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 02:13 AM

You seem to think that catching disease's transmitable by sex are only transmittable by sex. Besides wearing contraception AFTER marriage can also be a pretty good idea for numerous reasons.

HarmNone

04-02-2005, 02:14 AM

The Vatican Press Office is closed until 3:00AM United States EST, so there will probably be no update of information before that time.

Hulkein

04-02-2005, 02:15 AM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You seem to think that catching disease's transmitable by sex are only transmittable by sex. Besides wearing contraception AFTER marriage can also be a pretty good idea for numerous reasons.

Whatever ya gotta tell yourself. :wow:

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 02:19 AM

You're seriously telling me you think wearing contraception is a sin?

Lets open your eyes. Lets say a man is born HIV positive, or hell even with AIDs. He then gets married. Would you say its a FAB idea for him then to have unprotected sex with his wife?

Hell, theres hundreds of these situations. You seriously are a degenerate fool if you think contraception is evil or whatever stupid brand you crazies label it.

SpunGirl

04-02-2005, 02:20 AM

Actually, Stray, that's an excellent point. My husband's aunt married a guy who was HIV positive - he got a bad blood transfusion before they started checking. It was really through no fault of his own.

-K

Hulkein

04-02-2005, 02:23 AM

<< You're seriously telling me you think wearing contraception is a sin? >>

I'm not God. I'll admit I am a sinner, never said I don't use it.

All I know is that if you're resorting to a single anamoly than you have no argument.

The Church would have zero problem with using protection from disease in that situation.

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 02:26 AM

So then I beg the question, where do you draw the line? I'd have to be diseased to use contraception? Come on...

Latrinsorm

04-02-2005, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
So you're never used contraception, never had pre-martial sex, never fratenized in a friendly manner with someone who is gay or made your spouse have an abortion? I'm pretty sure I've done that third one. I mean, they never came out and said "I'm gay" but it was obvious they were at least leaning in quite a few instances. The others should be pretty obvious from what I've said before, but to reiterate: no.

This whole thing reminds me of a story my history teacher told me about WWII. He was in the Navy, and these two Navy dudes were sitting in the commo room, and the younger one gets a message that FDR is dead. He turns to his commander and goes, "Who will be President now?" The commander goes "Oh, the Vice President." and then he realizes that FDR has been President for this kid's whole life.

Who will be Pope now? :(

HarmNone

04-02-2005, 03:02 PM

The Pope has passed.

CrystalTears

04-02-2005, 03:05 PM

May he rest in peace. It'll be strange to see another pope after having the same one my entire life.

And now to appoint a new one!

StrayRogue

04-02-2005, 03:08 PM

Bob for Pope.

Xcalibur

04-02-2005, 03:15 PM

Protestants has no weight on decisions like that

Apotheosis

04-02-2005, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by StrayRogue
You're seriously telling me you think wearing contraception is a sin?

Lets open your eyes. Lets say a man is born HIV positive, or hell even with AIDs. He then gets married. Would you say its a FAB idea for him then to have unprotected sex with his wife?

Hell, theres hundreds of these situations. You seriously are a degenerate fool if you think contraception is evil or whatever stupid brand you crazies label it.

conservative catholics, and others, would say that because the purpose of marriage is to procreate, then there should be no reason for contraceptives, periodi.

i have no issues with contraception