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Edy
03-31-2005, 11:35 AM
If making a TWC rogue I wanted to make him Use a dagger in right hand and troll-claw in left
I want him to ambush
hide so how is this
2x arm
2xtwc
2x edged
2x cm
2x ambush
2x brawling
2x hide
2x per( Dont know if I need it that high)
and 2x Survival and First aid for skining

What do you think?

Kitsun
03-31-2005, 11:51 AM
You're forgetting PT, it'll determine your redux. Should at least single in it.

No dodging?

Some ranks of MOC can be fun too.

Edy
03-31-2005, 11:54 AM
Yeah I forgot to put im 2x pt and Dodge
I think IM going to drop the brawling and do two daggers.
Do rogues get a bonus when useing daggers.And is a dagger a nice ambush weapon?

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 11:57 AM
It swings fast, 3 seconds.

Do dagger sux? Terribly.

Check their DF and compare it with the ending roll you need to get a level 8 crit on eyes (automatic death since a level 4 is a death)

You'll see a HUGE end roll needed.

And that's for clothes/soft leathers

Against chain/plate, it's almost impossible.

Edy
03-31-2005, 12:01 PM
:?:I Just dont know what to do I want to be a good ambusher And Im thinking maybe go with THW. I have a Good Bastard sword I can get my hands on. Can Rogues please tell me What they use and how it works for them

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 12:05 PM
Take 2 short swords and pick up your monsters... Nothing heavy armored.

With short swords, you can do some damage and hopefully get that death crits and they swing fast.

Always aim for the eyes!

:drool:

Apotheosis
03-31-2005, 12:10 PM
basically, if you're going ambushing, take along two shortswords, aim for the head/neck/eyes, it'll be 5 seconds unencumbered, which isn't bad seeing as though you will be killing, mostly.

Going up against chain and better armor will be a pain, keep a falchion around for that.

two daggers will get you through lvl 10 just fine, and sometimes its nice to have daggers/main gauches in case you get too encumbered.

just remember 2x PT is crucial to taking hits, especially around lvl 20 - 30, possibly even higher.

either go edged or brawling, not both. too expensive.

get some dodge, (2x if you can manage) and try to get 30 - 35 ranks of MOC, it's worth the cost.

AnticorRifling
03-31-2005, 12:12 PM
I always made my TWCer pick up 1x shield later on so that if I had to go up against something big or a swarm I could just use a shield and handaxe. Just a thought.

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 12:13 PM
Hiding is the best defensive strategy.:P

Edy
03-31-2005, 12:15 PM
Okay and What about Ranged?

Parkbandit
03-31-2005, 12:15 PM
I would concentrate on dropping one of the weapon classes and picking up PT and dodge. Dodge especially helps because you won't have a shield.

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 12:16 PM
Gemstone has the big flaw of being one thing only.

If you want 2 weapon styles, you lose a HUGE amount of tps to be used for your secondary skills.

Edy
03-31-2005, 12:18 PM
:drunk: And what If I want to go Ranged I hear that A ranged Rogue is the best

Kitsun
03-31-2005, 12:18 PM
By request, my archer/picker.

(at level 73), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 150 50
Combat Maneuvers...................| 130 35
Ranged Weapons.....................| 250 150
Ambush.............................| 250 150
Physical Fitness...................| 175 75
Dodging............................| 250 150
Arcane Symbols.....................| 82 18
Magic Item Use.....................| 15 3
Harness Power......................| 20 4
Disarming Traps....................| 325 225
Picking Locks......................| 325 225
Stalking and Hiding................| 325 225
Perception.........................| 250 150
Climbing...........................| 120 30
Swimming...........................| 120 30

Spell Lists
Minor Elemental....................| 4

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 12:18 PM
Do a ranged rogue.

Artha
03-31-2005, 12:20 PM
2x arm
2xtwc
2x edged
2x cm
2x ambush
2x brawling
2x hide
2x per( Dont know if I need it that high)
and 2x Survival and First aid for skining

2x Armor (to 30 for brig or 80 for MBP)
2x Edged
2x TWC
1x CM
2x Ambush
2x Hide
2x Dodge
1.5-2x PF
1.5x Perception
1x Survival
1x FA

That's how I'd do it, but that may or may not be too many points. I'd drop survival and FA before sacrificing anything else, though.

Apotheosis
03-31-2005, 12:36 PM
at lvl 34, my elven rogue looks like this:

Two Weapon Combat..................| 170 70
Armor Use................................| 130 35
Combat Maneuvers...................| 132 36
Edged Weapons........................| 170 70
Multi Opponent Combat............| 120 30
Physical Fitness........................| 170 70
Dodging...................................| 202 102
Arcane Symbols.......................| 50 10
Harness Power.........................| 10 2
Disarming Traps......................| 172 72
Picking Locks..........................| 170 70
Perception..............................| 170 70
Climbing.................................| 70 15
Swimming..............................| 70 15
Trading...................................| 90 20



I seem to be winning at GS lately, wearing imflass chain mail 4x(+22), and wield a 6x, acid flaring falchion and a 6x, lightning flaring shortsword.

cmans are

Wspec 2 (shortswords, ) 2 ranks
Feint (2 ranks)
Surge (4 ranks)
Combat Mobility (1 rank)

Parkbandit
03-31-2005, 12:40 PM
Personally.. I would stick with twc and go just edged. Archery is nice, but against armor it sucks.

Xcalibur
03-31-2005, 12:48 PM
Short swords would be great, and you'd used a falchion+main gauche against heavily geared folks

03-31-2005, 01:59 PM
Short swords are awesome but daggers are definately doable. You just have to be a little selective with what you hunt.

Edy
03-31-2005, 02:32 PM
:spaz: Just to Change it up a Bit.. I Decided to be ranged.
Now I am Train 5 and in EN what sould I hunt around here that will be easy/fast EXP anyone?


And thanks for the info/post/help

AnticorRifling
03-31-2005, 02:42 PM
Do snakes and whatever else is in that area I think thyrills. Then when you can handle it do urghs. You're going to under hunt for a few trains until you're nasty enough to up hunt.

Artha
03-31-2005, 04:28 PM
Archery is nice, but against armor it sucks.
I told you so.

Edy
03-31-2005, 04:30 PM
Skills:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 50 10
Ranged Weapons.....................| 50 10
Ambush.............................| 50 10
Physical Fitness...................| 50 10
Dodging............................| 50 10
Survival...........................| 50 10
Stalking and Hiding................| 70 15
Perception.........................| 90 20
Climbing...........................| 25 5
Swimming...........................| 25 5
First Aid..........................| 50 10

Looks okay?
Im Train 5

[Edited on 3-31-2005 by Edy]

Artha
03-31-2005, 04:35 PM
Looks pretty good to me. You might want to lower 2x FA/Survival to 1x and start saving up for spells.

Edy
03-31-2005, 08:43 PM
Might just do that.. I just didnt think rogues used spells
:foshizzle:

Stunseed
03-31-2005, 08:51 PM
Some Rogues go up to 410, to be able to e-wave. That and the ability to mstrike, or use smastery and ambush usually takes care of most problems.

Artha
03-31-2005, 09:00 PM
Or 414, for Elemental Guards III.

Razorfish
04-16-2005, 09:11 AM
My second rogue, an atoli currently 12 trains handaxe and weighted gauche

Two Weapon Combat..................| 114 28
Armor Use..........................| 70 15
Combat Maneuvers...................| 66 14
Edged Weapons......................| 114 28
Thrown Weapons.....................| 114 28
Ambush.............................| 74 16
Physical Fitness...................| 82 18
Dodging............................| 66 14
Arcane Symbols.....................| 40 8
Magic Item Use.....................| 35 7
Disarming Traps....................| 122 31
Picking Locks......................| 117 29
Stalking and Hiding................| 114 28
Perception.........................| 45 9
Climbing...........................| 50 10
Swimming...........................| 15 3
Pickpocketing......................| 114 28

StrayRogue
04-16-2005, 09:13 AM
Just as an additional, some rogues know WoF, and a good few know 425 as well.

As for your training Razorfish, I'd dump Thrown and tank Dodging. Your DS won't improve much over time if you only 1x. Most normal shield using rogues 2x, so you can see where you will be losing out.

Razorfish
04-16-2005, 05:23 PM
ahh but winging javilins at someones head is so much fun...

waitin on a fix skills and i'll make a few adjustments...