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Latrinsorm
07-30-2020, 05:07 PM
There's been a lot of talk of plateaus regarding coronavirus, and plateaus are nice and reassuring - the case (or death or hospitalization or whatever) rate will proceed along at the given level, then some point drop straight down to zero.

However, this is not how the real world works. We are manufacturing vaccines before we know whether they'll work or not, which is great! But we are not administering them, and that administration takes significant time. The estimate I've seen for vaccinating the United States is nine months, and that does not take into consideration the increasingly likely scenario that we'll need boosters well before those nine months are up. But let's say it does take nine months and everyone gets permanent immunity - all those people at the end of the line still get exposed to the virus throughout those nine months, so rather than going straight down to zero like a plateau what we'll actually see is a diagonal line down and to the right, or a trapezoid. (Once we reach herd immunity there will be superlinear decline but a rounded trapezoid is still much closer to a trapezoid than a plateau.)

So what?

So if we assume a plateau until the vaccine is discovered and gets FDA approval near the end of the year, then a linear decline for another 9 months, we can very easily see how critical the start of our plateau is. You want examples? I've got examples.

On June 26th the seven day average of deaths in the United States was 542 and the total number of deaths were 115,321 per Wikipedia. (Feel free to substitute your own source's values throughout this exercise!) There were 188 days left in 2020, so 188 * 542, then a triangle with height 542 and base 9 * 30 for total additional deaths of 542 * 9 * 30 / 2, all for a grand total of 290,249 coronavirus deaths in the United States.

On July 26th the average was 1063 and the total was 135,838. At that point of course there were only 158 days left, so 158 * 1063 + 1063 * 9 * 30 / 2 makes for a grand total of 447,297 coronavirus deaths in the United States, an increase of over 150,000.

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Obviously we know that in the real world the United States is going to start seeing a decline in a few weeks (due to new cases starting to decline) and going to start seeing another incline in a month or two (due to more rushed reopenings, especially of schools). My point is that even if you think we're plateauing at any given moment, where specifically we plateau is critically important.

Tgo01
07-30-2020, 05:18 PM
(due to more rushed reopenings, especially of schools)

All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?

Solkern
07-30-2020, 05:20 PM
All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?


You’re a fucking idiot. Seriously, you’re the biggest fucking idiot on these forums.

It’s also unclear how easily kids can spread the virus, both to each other and to adults. One robust study of nearly 65,000 kids published by the South Korean Center for Disease Control last week showed that children in the 10- to 19-year-old age range could spread COVID-19 within households just as effectively as adults.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/2020/07/coronavirus-infection-spread-in-children-cvd/

Tgo’s science: spout random shit, that’s either untrue or unconfirmed as fact. But when it comes to mask, DEMANDS a study.
Fucking hilarious.

Seran
07-30-2020, 06:38 PM
All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?

Do you mean to say that until recently, children were to be less affected on the long term and had a lower mortality rate due to not having the underlying preexisting conditions that have trebled the coronavirus mortality rate? Children are just as likely to catch covid-19 that adults do, but have statistically much less severe symptoms and fewer complications.

That being said, children are rampant spreaders of disease due to their lack of good hygiene knowledge and inconsistent practice. Just because they're less likely to die doesn't mean that big sloppy kiss they give grandma isn't going to finish her off

Gelston
07-30-2020, 06:38 PM
An expert also said ovarian cysts are caused by fucking demons.

I seem to remember at the beginning of the entire COVID-19 thing, Doctors were saying children were trojan horses and one of the main culprits for spreading COVID-19 to older people, due to not being symptomatic.

Solkern
07-30-2020, 06:39 PM
Just because they're less likely to die doesn't mean that big sloppy kiss they give grandma isn't going to finish her off

I know it shouldn’t have, but that last line made me laugh!

I Immediately did the mortal kombat voice “Finish her!”

Methais
07-30-2020, 07:16 PM
I know it shouldn’t have, but that last line made me laugh!

I Immediately did the mortal kombat voice “Finish her!”

In Soviet Russia, grandma finishes you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tv6rgH0nSY

Solkern
07-30-2020, 07:20 PM
In Soviet Russia, grandma finishes you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tv6rgH0nSY


I would never fuck with a russian grandmother. Those bitches are crazy.

Tgo01
07-30-2020, 08:27 PM
An expert also said ovarian cysts are caused by fucking demons.

You can't prove they aren't.

Solkern
07-31-2020, 05:48 PM
So glad children don’t spread it as easily as adults.

https://us.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-infected-hundreds-children-us-summer-camp-180016608.html

Virus infects 100’s of children at a camp.

The virus infected at least 260 of the 597 attendees, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

Solkern
07-31-2020, 07:19 PM
All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?


Can you enlighten us on where you got this from?

Solkern
07-31-2020, 07:23 PM
All of the experts have said children aren't affected much by the virus and don't easily pass it on to others.

Do you even science, bro?


Can you enlighten us on where you got this from?

Bhaalizmo
07-31-2020, 08:40 PM
Can you enlighten us on where you got this from?

Duh. Alloftheexperts.com