Mandatory Masks

[Gelston]

My city now has mandatory masks. How about you guys?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Kansas does as a state. I've been wearing a mask since it basically went into lockdown. My company requires masks in the building, 4 max to an elevator or conference room. No one on my team is expecting to go back until after September though, now.

[Gelston]

Kansas does as a state. I've been wearing a mask since it basically went into lockdown. My company requires masks in the building, 4 max to an elevator or conference room. No one on my team is expecting to go back until after September though, now.

I started wearing a neck gaiter as a mask a couple weeks ago. It is thicker than what most people are wearing.

Every business that has employees interacting with the public have been required to have them masked for the last 2 months or so.

[Gelston]

So, a business that refuses to enforce the mask law will have their ability to remain open during phase 2 revoked, their water cut off, and their alcoholic beverage licenses revoked. No cash fines though.

[Parkbandit]

So, a business that refuses to enforce the mask law will have their ability to remain open during phase 2 revoked, their water cut off, and their alcoholic beverage licenses revoked. No cash fines though.

Cutting off the water is a fine, given you probably have to pay a disconnect and / or reconnect fee. And usually the alcohol license is very expensive.. plus you will have to probably grease some official to even get it back again.

[Gelston]

Cutting off the water is a fine, given you probably have to pay a disconnect and / or reconnect fee. And usually the alcohol license is very expensive.. plus you will have to probably grease some official to even get it back again.

They originally only had fines, $250 first offense, $500 for every following. Now they have no direct fines.

[Wrathbringer]

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[Ardwen]

Cutting the water and taking a liquor license is vastly worse for a business then a 250 dollar fine for sure, it essentially ends any food service business ability to do business.

[Wrathbringer]

Cutting the water and taking a liquor license is vastly worse for a business then a 250 dollar fine for sure, it essentially ends any food service business ability to do business.

Thanks for pointing that out. I'm not sure any of us would have known this without your input. Good job.

[Taernath]

We started with masks optional, now we're mandatory since cases started exploding. My job's been mandatory since close to the beginning though. There have been a bunch of jobsites shut down when a worker tests positive so we've all been getting shuffled around a lot.

[Latrinsorm]

CT mandatory in groceries and doctor offices with extremely high (not quite 100%) compliance, haven't been anywhere else so don't know

[Gelston]

Circle K employee fired at a customer that refused to put on his mask in the store.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Wow, that escalated quick.

[Alfster]

Wisconsin has no mandates for masks in my area. It's being done county by county. My work requires one when outside my office.

[Archigeek]

We started with masks optional, now we're mandatory since cases started exploding. My job's been mandatory since close to the beginning though. There have been a bunch of jobsites shut down when a worker tests positive so we've all been getting shuffled around a lot.

I work for a design build company, and feel for the construction workers. We split our project managers with one mandatory working from home, and one on the job site. That way if one is compromised we aren't dead in the water. We've had some challenges but already being super safety conscious makes it a lot easier to add 1 more thing. When you're already required to wear a hard hat, eye protection, ear plugs, and steel toed boots, it's not a big deal to add a mask.

[Gelston]

Judge here blocked the our Mayor's mask order. Masks are once again optional.

[Stanley Burrell]

The fucking drive-thru ATM didn't work, so bank hours were still good and I walk into the little vestibule with the ATM inside it – That one doesn't work. So I'm like, "This is the worst day in my fucking life gosh darn-it." So then I go to enter the bank; and this dude, with a mask on and armed (I don't know if he was a rent-a-Cop or whatever) is like YOU – picks up a one-use mask from a box of one-use-mask boxes and is like, "It's dangerous to go alone, take this." So that's been my experience so far. I'm always masked and gloved for shopping and shit.

[MotleyCrew]

Yep

[Ashlander]

Judge here blocked the our Mayor's mask order. Masks are once again optional.

Governor just went with masks mandatory so I wonder if they'll try to block that too.

[Ashlander]

The fucking drive-thru ATM didn't work, so bank hours were still good and I walk into the little vestibule with the ATM inside it – That one doesn't work. So I'm like, "This is the worst day in my fucking life gosh darn-it." So then I go to enter the bank; and this dude, with a mask on and armed (I don't know if he was a rent-a-Cop or whatever) is like YOU – picks up a one-use mask from a box of one-use-mask boxes and is like, "It's dangerous to go alone, take this." So that's been my experience so far. I'm always masked and gloved for shopping and shit.

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[Methais]

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[Methais]

Mandatory Masks


https://youtu.be/jqduxsQ8WVs

[Gelston]

Governor just went with masks mandatory so I wonder if they'll try to block that too.

They are filing a lawsuit on Monday.

[Bhaalizmo]

My city now has mandatory masks. How about you guys?

Statewide, mask recommendation in place.

Citywide, no requirements. Wal-Mart & CVS required though.

[melvinjoe]

Ya wearing face masks is mandatory in my country too. Even Face masks become the fashion icon of this 2020. !! It become a habit nowadays !!

[kutter]

I wonder if the states backing down on the fines has anything to do with some legal opinions I recently read that basically said, yes the governors can put things like that in place and you can refuse service to someone, but you cannot fine them because it was not a law that was passed, unless of course a state put into the emergency powers provision that fines could be levied, which apparently none do. I know here in Louisiana at least one judge has come out and said that if the government wants to pursue the fine then they will throw the cases out.

I think not wearing a mask is stupid, but then again I think smoking is stupid and that is not illegal, yet.

[time4fun]

I wonder if the states backing down on the fines has anything to do with some legal opinions I recently read that basically said, yes the governors can put things like that in place and you can refuse service to someone, but you cannot fine them because it was not a law that was passed, unless of course a state put into the emergency powers provision that fines could be levied, which apparently none do. I know here in Louisiana at least one judge has come out and said that if the government wants to pursue the fine then they will throw the cases out.

I think not wearing a mask is stupid, but then again I think smoking is stupid and that is not illegal, yet.

I think states are largely relying on businesses to enforce them and are coming down on businesses who don't enforce because they have the power to shut them down.

That circumvents the legal complexities when it comes to trying to punish regular citizens who are too stupid or selfish to care about the people around them.

[Gelston]

I think states are largely relying on businesses to enforce them and are coming down on businesses who don't enforce because they have the power to shut them down.

That circumvents the legal complexities when it comes to trying to punish regular citizens who are too stupid or selfish to care about the people around them.

Here, the business only needs to have a sign and employees must wear masks. Customers only need to say they have a medical issue with masks and it isn't the job of the business to pursue it any further.

[drauz]

Restaurants and bars will take the biggest hit. Starting Monday, those establishments must stop on-site alcohol sales at 10 p.m. and close by midnight.

The governor’s mask mandate is expanding to include children ages five and up instead of 10 and up.

And you can expect stepped-up enforcement of safety guidelines at essential retail places like grocery stores and pharmacies. Violators could have their operating permit pulled and face a class one misdemeanor.

Also as you think about your holiday plans, consider the following. Northam is reducing the state’s gathering limit, both indoor and outdoor, to just 25. The public gathering limit has been 250.

For VA.

[Archigeek]

All three west coast states have instituted a travel quarantine, however it doesn't apply to essential travel, which is a pretty broad category. I'll be flying to Oregon for work. Not looking forward to being in a flying covid incubator for 3 hours each way.

[Stanley Burrell]

My city now has mandatory masks. How about you guys?

Not sure about now. I know when the Covid positive from tests was low here in Greater New Haven that I walked into my bank because the damn ATM would not accept this one $20 no matter how many times I tried to put it in the Driv-Thru ATM. So I go inside (not wearing a mask, because I didn't anticipate having to go inside) and this huge security guard dude was like, "NO." And then pointed at the 1-use masks in the vestibule.

I imagine that since rates have spiked here that mandatory masks are in fashion!

[Latrinsorm]

Not sure about now. I know when the Covid positive from tests was low here in Greater New Haven that I walked into my bank because the damn ATM would not accept this one $20 no matter how many times I tried to put it in the Driv-Thru ATM. So I go inside (not wearing a mask, because I didn't anticipate having to go inside) and this huge security guard dude was like, "NO." And then pointed at the 1-use masks in the vestibule.

I imagine that since rates have spiked here that mandatory masks are in fashion!

i do all my shopping in the bpt and it's been fine throughout

i do all my parents' shopping in trumbull and it hasn't been. something about plain @$$ red arrows saying "GO ONLY THIS WAY" and the indescribably hyperfine measurement of six human feet escapes HWHITE PEOPLE, has throughout, and will indefinitely

to some people, nothing matters. 70 cases a day, 1500 cases a day, who cares, let's have loud conversations on our mobile telephones so everyone can know how smug we are, chortle chortle blake and bortles

he may not go directly to hell (i don't make the rules)

but they will (still don't make the rules)

am i wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[kutter]

Everyone keeps saying Biden will implement a nationwide mask mandate. First I question how much good it will do, without people changing life habits, ie. WASH YOUR HANDS YOU DISGUSTING ASS PEOPLE, that is maybe the single biggest thing we can do to impact covid. I know mask are supposed to stop the spread while speaking to someone but hell, everything has barriers in place by now so the effect of masks is minimized, but how many public things do you touch every single day that 100 others have? The numbers increase exponentially. For the little good it does, I carry hand sanitizer, I prefer to wash my hands whenever I can, I try not to touch things I do not have to, and maybe the single biggest thing, clean your phone. It is a perfect carrier for bugs, it sits in your pocket or purse, warm, no UV light, a nice little petri dish. But I got off my main point.

I doubt Biden has the legal authority to implement a mask mandate, he will have to convince governors to do so and I bet some of them like Mississippi are going to prefer to accept the risk to keep what is already a very fragile economy from collapsing. What good is reducing the spread if we collapse the economy for the next 10 years? Personally I think we are looking at a Carter administration all over again, for the country I hope not but that is just my feeling.

[Orthin]

Mask Mandates don't mean shit if they aren't enforced with punitive action. We have a statewide mandate and in the county I am in (Rural farm county) I would say 50% and below wear masks. If I move in closer to DC masks everywhere. No one is going to tell someone out where I live to put a mask on, either because they don't believe in the masks or they don't want to risk getting in a fight/shot. Biden can put in all the mandates he wants but if there is no enforcement it is just the illusion of safety.

[Gelston]

Mask Mandates don't mean shit if they aren't enforced with punitive action. We have a statewide mandate and in the county I am in (Rural farm county) I would say 50% and below wear masks. If I move in closer to DC masks everywhere. No one is going to tell someone out where I live to put a mask on, either because they don't believe in the masks or they don't want to risk getting in a fight/shot. Biden can put in all the mandates he wants but if there is no enforcement it is just the illusion of safety.

The fines are to the business here, not the violater, which is the wrong way to go. Not that it matters, a business isn't required, nor can it, investigate any further when someone says they have a medical condition even though it is likely 100% bullshit. They can still tell someone to leave regardless, but the mandate doesn't require that.

[Bhaalizmo]

We have a statewide mask mandate, but if you walk into my local sheriff's department you'll see no one wearing them. Not the officers, nor the office workers, so that should tell you how they feel about the mask mandate and / or enforcing it. Pretty much everywhere else locally, people have masks on. Except for the guys with the T-Shirts with gun rights slogans on them, they're all mask-less and making alot of eye contact like they think mask wearers are coming for their guns.

[Gelston]

I wore one before there was a mandate. If it helps, it helps. If it doesn't, no big deal.

[Orthin]

I wore one before there was a mandate. If it helps, it helps. If it doesn't, no big deal.

agreed I wear one too, if it helps me from pollen while mowing I will give it a go. Plus its just another accessory

[Wrathbringer]

i do all my shopping in the bpt and it's been fine throughout

i do all my parents' shopping in trumbull and it hasn't been. something about plain @$$ red arrows saying "GO ONLY THIS WAY" and the indescribably hyperfine measurement of six human feet escapes HWHITE PEOPLE, has throughout, and will indefinitely

to some people, nothing matters. 70 cases a day, 1500 cases a day, who cares, let's have loud conversations on our mobile telephones so everyone can know how smug we are, chortle chortle blake and bortles

he may not go directly to hell (i don't make the rules)

but they will (still don't make the rules)

am i wrong ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, because it is known that covid only spreads one way in aisles. Dear god you'll believe anything. Hope you're enjoying wearing five masks in your basement while everyone else is enjoying life.

[Bhaalizmo]

agreed I wear one too, if it helps me from pollen while mowing I will give it a go. Plus its just another accessory

Yeah, reasonable human beings tend to agree on this point.

What's frustrating is that while you and I wear masks and isolate, there's a percentage of the populace running around with no masks, spreading. Almost like we need a national mask mandate and penalties, or these numbers will keep rising.

[Wrathbringer]

I don't wear masks because I'm not sick. Pretty simple.

[Bhaalizmo]

I don't wear masks because I'm not sick. Pretty simple.

Attitudes like yours are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is this outbreak. You're a fuckwit for it. Fuck you, I hope you die.

Edited to add: It's unfortunate that anyone who comes in contact with you or crosses your path could pay for your stupidity with their lives.

[Methais]

Attitudes like yours are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is this outbreak. You're a fuckwit for it. Fuck you, I hope you die.

Edited to add: It's unfortunate that anyone who comes in contact with you or crosses your path could pay for your stupidity with their lives.

Quoted because you're just an all around cunt.

Also:

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[Candor]

Attitudes like yours are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is this outbreak. You're a fuckwit for it. Fuck you, I hope you die.

Edited to add: It's unfortunate that anyone who comes in contact with you or crosses your path could pay for your stupidity with their lives.

Suggest you put Wrathbringer on ignore. I've done it, others have done it. His posts are simply not worth reading.

[kutter]

Except for the guys with the T-Shirts with gun rights slogans on them, they're all mask-less and making alot of eye contact like they think mask wearers are coming for their guns.

That is a pretty god damn big generalization, I am one of the biggest 2nd amendment people you will ever meet and I always wear a mask when I am around others, in point of fact, every other 2nd amendment proponent I know are also adamant about wearing mask. I can make the same generalization and say Biden supporters are against wearing mask based upon some photographs I saw in the internet of people celebrating his lead.

The fact is, some people will believe it adds protection and others don't. I am of the opinion it might so I do, but I think getting people to wash their hands will have a much larger effect but no one seems to talk much about that, which I find baffling.

[Gelston]

That is a pretty god damn big generalization, I am one of the biggest 2nd amendment people you will ever meet and I always wear a mask when I am around others, in point of fact, every other 2nd amendment proponent I know are also adamant about wearing mask. I can make the same generalization and say Biden supporters are against wearing mask based upon some photographs I saw in the internet of people celebrating his lead.

The fact is, some people will believe it adds protection and others don't. I am of the opinion it might so I do, but I think getting people to wash their hands will have a much larger effect but no one seems to talk much about that, which I find baffling.

I think it is more based on how much you believe in conspiracy theories.

[drauz]

I think it is more based on how much you believe in conspiracy theories.

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[Methais]

That is a pretty god damn big generalization, I am one of the biggest 2nd amendment people you will ever meet and I always wear a mask when I am around others, in point of fact, every other 2nd amendment proponent I know are also adamant about wearing mask. I can make the same generalization and say Biden supporters are against wearing mask based upon some photographs I saw in the internet of people celebrating his lead.

The fact is, some people will believe it adds protection and others don't. I am of the opinion it might so I do, but I think getting people to wash their hands will have a much larger effect but no one seems to talk much about that, which I find baffling.

The biggest problem with masks is there's no standard for them. Most people sporting a mask don't have an actual filter in the mask, which is apparently where the protection is.

Instead you just see people putting whatever on their face, and as long as their mouth and nose are covered, no one seems to be concerned with what it's made of, or if it's effective at all, i.e. Alyssa Milano's crochet mask, people wearing bandanas, etc. That's all useless as fuck but it's good enough to enter a "masks required" place. You could probably wear a chain mail mask or tape a dryer sheet to your face and no one would give you any shit over it.

Seems like all that would do is give people a false sense of security, resulting in more spread instead of less.

[Latrinsorm]

Everyone keeps saying Biden will implement a nationwide mask mandate. First I question how much good it will do, without people changing life habits, ie. WASH YOUR HANDS YOU DISGUSTING ASS PEOPLE, that is maybe the single biggest thing we can do to impact covid. I know mask are supposed to stop the spread while speaking to someone but hell, everything has barriers in place by now so the effect of masks is minimized, but how many public things do you touch every single day that 100 others have? The numbers increase exponentially. For the little good it does, I carry hand sanitizer, I prefer to wash my hands whenever I can, I try not to touch things I do not have to, and maybe the single biggest thing, clean your phone. It is a perfect carrier for bugs, it sits in your pocket or purse, warm, no UV light, a nice little petri dish. But I got off my main point.

I doubt Biden has the legal authority to implement a mask mandate, he will have to convince governors to do so and I bet some of them like Mississippi are going to prefer to accept the risk to keep what is already a very fragile economy from collapsing. What good is reducing the spread if we collapse the economy for the next 10 years? Personally I think we are looking at a Carter administration all over again, for the country I hope not but that is just my feeling.

Luckily, like Carter we held this disastrous President to only one term, and now healing the economy can start.

The reason masks are more stressed than hand washing (which is not to say to the exclusion of hand washing) is because I can wipe down things I bring home from the store (and do), I can wash my hands and phone after shopping (and do), but I can't wipe down the air before I breathe it, I can't wash my lungs after.

So yes, while people should be washing their hands more and better both to fight this pandemic and in general, object borne pathogens are just a much harder way to get from person to person unless you put those objects in you (e.g. needles, sex). Think about it - we cannot avoid breathing what someone else has exhaled, but we can generally avoid putting their hands in our mouth and giving 'em a good licky licky lick. Generally.

[Latrinsorm]

The biggest problem with masks is there's no standard for them. Most people sporting a mask don't have an actual filter in the mask, which is apparently where the protection is.

Instead you just see people putting whatever on their face, and as long as their mouth and nose are covered, no one seems to be concerned with what it's made of, or if it's effective at all, i.e. Alyssa Milano's crochet mask, people wearing bandanas, etc. That's all useless as fuck but it's good enough to enter a "masks required" place. You could probably wear a chain mail mask or tape a dryer sheet to your face and no one would give you any shit over it.

Seems like all that would do is give people a false sense of security, resulting in more spread instead of less.

Ideally everyone would have custom fitted triple layer masks goggles gloves gowns shields blah blah blah, but it's not required to drive new cases down. All that needs to happen for that is each person who has it infects less than one other person on average, and plain cotton masks and distancing accomplish that just fine. We know this because we've repeatedly done it with those tools when a significant minority of the American population isn't wearing masks at all. The numbers didn't go down because the virus got bored and gave up, the numbers went up because WE did.

I'm not aware of any studies on the efficacy of dryer sheets but I've heard they're bad to have in contact with your skin for prolonged periods anyway, so I would stick with a t-shirt if you're really desperate.

(And for the record, Alyssa Milano's mask did in point of fact have a replaceable filter.)

[Methais]

Ideally everyone would have custom fitted triple layer masks goggles gloves gowns shields blah blah blah, but it's not required to drive new cases down. All that needs to happen for that is each person who has it infects less than one other person on average, and plain cotton masks and distancing accomplish that just fine. We know this because we've repeatedly done it with those tools when a significant minority of the American population isn't wearing masks at all. The numbers didn't go down because the virus got bored and gave up, the numbers went up because WE did.

I'm not aware of any studies on the efficacy of dryer sheets but I've heard they're bad to have in contact with your skin for prolonged periods anyway, so I would stick with a t-shirt if you're really desperate.

(And for the record, Alyssa Milano's mask did in point of fact have a replaceable filter.)

I see you have no comment on CHAIN MAIL MASKS though.

Reported to the CDC.

[Neveragain]

Luckily, like Carter we held this disastrous President to only one term, and now healing the economy can start.

A. Carter is still my favorite modern day president.

B. You can't heal this economy without a crash that doesn't receive a bailout. Capitalism only works when it's allowed to fail in a downturn.

[Gelston]

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Ok? That has what to do with anti-mask types thinking masks are part of a conspiracy to strip away everyone's rights?

[Methais]

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Of all the things that didn't happen, this didn't happen the most.

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[Tgo01]

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Why do you believe what one random person on Twitter says?

[Bhaalizmo]

That is a pretty god damn big generalization, I am one of the biggest 2nd amendment people you will ever meet and I always wear a mask when I am around others, in point of fact, every other 2nd amendment proponent I know are also adamant about wearing mask. I can make the same generalization and say Biden supporters are against wearing mask based upon some photographs I saw in the internet of people celebrating his lead.

The fact is, some people will believe it adds protection and others don't. I am of the opinion it might so I do, but I think getting people to wash their hands will have a much larger effect but no one seems to talk much about that, which I find baffling.

It's not a generalization, I apologize if you took it as one. It's a fact around here locally. If you're wearing a T-Shirt about 2nd amendment in this town, it's a 90% chance you also have no mask on. This is based on my own observations locally.

I'm also a 2nd amendment proponent. Very much pro gun. Collect em all. Just not wearing a T-Shirt about it and not going to put any stickers on my vehicle about it. And I wear a mask.

[Taernath]

It's not a generalization, I apologize if you took it as one. It's a fact around here locally. If you're wearing a T-Shirt about 2nd amendment in this town, it's a 90% chance you also have no mask on. This is based on my own observations locally.

I'm also a 2nd amendment proponent. Very much pro gun. Collect em all. Just not wearing a T-Shirt about it and not going to put any stickers on my vehicle about it. And I wear a mask.

Yeah it's correlation not causation. Basically a big Venn diagram with a lot of overlap between 'muh guns' and 'masks r kommunizm'.

[Bhaalizmo]

Suggest you put Wrathbringer on ignore. I've done it, others have done it. His posts are simply not worth reading.

This is good advice, and good information.

[Latrinsorm]

I see you have no comment on CHAIN MAIL MASKS though.

Reported to the CDC.

as everyone knows wearing head protection of a the soft metal armor group confers hindrance as though someone was wearing a full suit of chain hauberk

it goes without saying that

[Latrinsorm]

A. Carter is still my favorite modern day president.

B. You can't heal this economy without a crash that doesn't receive a bailout. Capitalism only works when it's allowed to fail in a downturn.

could be, but since we've never been a capitalist system it's irrelevant

[Methais]

as everyone knows wearing head protection of a the soft metal armor group confers hindrance as though someone was wearing a full suit of chain hauberk

it goes without saying that

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[Alerner23]

Ohh, I'm so tired of wearing them...I wish it ends as soon as possible

[Methais]

Ohh, I'm so tired of wearing them...I wish it ends as soon as possible

Not sure if macgyver, or if a bot forgot to post a link.

[drauz]

Ok? That has what to do with anti-mask types thinking masks are part of a conspiracy to strip away everyone's rights?

Just a different conspiracy.

[drauz]

Why do you believe what one random person on Twitter says?

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[Wrathbringer]

Attitudes like yours are like pouring gasoline on the fire that is this outbreak. You're a fuckwit for it. Fuck you, I hope you die.

Edited to add: It's unfortunate that anyone who comes in contact with you or crosses your path could pay for your stupidity with their lives.

I've killed 76 people myself so far just by not wearing a mask in two trips to Wal-Mart. Fuck them.


Suggest you put Wrathbringer on ignore. I've done it, others have done it. His posts are simply not worth reading.

Cut a fart, Candork.

[Wrathbringer]

This is good advice, and good information.

You needed Candork to tell you this? Damn, how retarded are you, exactly? If you could just post a scan of your retardation diagnosis from your doctor, that will suffice. Please don't waste our time trying to retardedly explain. There are already enough of your incoherent retarded strings of words here on PC. :)

Edit: Retard

[kutter]

Luckily, like Carter we held this disastrous President to only one term, and now healing the economy can start..

You are mistaken about what I said. Trump does not represent the Carter administration, you may not like him because he is a boisterous asshole who puts this country before all others, you know, like the President should, but the fact is before Covid the economy was moving along quite nicely. Biden is going to crash it down again, just like Carter did. If you are too young to remember it then look it up. Home mortgages in double digits, lines hours long in gas stations, inflation at record levels. And it could all happen again, but the fed will likely do everything it can to trick the economy into not collapsing by using quantitative easing, which just steals more money from future generations.

[Stanley Burrell]

The fucking drive-thru ATM didn't work, so bank hours were still good and I walk into the little vestibule with the ATM inside it – That one doesn't work. So I'm like, "This is the worst day in my fucking life gosh darn-it." So then I go to enter the bank; and this dude, with a mask on and armed (I don't know if he was a rent-a-Cop or whatever) is like YOU – picks up a one-use mask from a box of one-use-mask boxes and is like, "It's dangerous to go alone, take this." So that's been my experience so far. I'm always masked and gloved for shopping and shit.

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Not sure about now. I know when the Covid positive from tests was low here in Greater New Haven that I walked into my bank because the damn ATM would not accept this one $20 no matter how many times I tried to put it in the Driv-Thru ATM. So I go inside (not wearing a mask, because I didn't anticipate having to go inside) and this huge security guard dude was like, "NO." And then pointed at the 1-use masks in the vestibule.

I imagine that since rates have spiked here that mandatory masks are in fashion!

Damn it sucks to get old. Wow.

For what it's worth, I've been wearing a mask since March 13th.

[Latrinsorm]

You are mistaken about what I said. Trump does not represent the Carter administration, you may not like him because he is a boisterous asshole who puts this country before all others, you know, like the President should, but the fact is before Covid the economy was moving along quite nicely. Biden is going to crash it down again, just like Carter did. If you are too young to remember it then look it up. Home mortgages in double digits, lines hours long in gas stations, inflation at record levels. And it could all happen again, but the fed will likely do everything it can to trick the economy into not collapsing by using quantitative easing, which just steals more money from future generations.

Inflation doesn't crash the economy, if you're too young to remember you can look up how Reagan used it to save the economy. When we look at real GDP Carter grew the economy by 3% per year while Trump (before the pandemic) only managed 2%. Which means nothing, 102% (Trump/Obama/Bush/Bush) and 103% (Carter/Reagan) and 104% (Clinton) changes do not differ to a statistically significant degree anyway.

As for home mortgage rates, those were double digits under Ford (you can look up that he was the President before Carter), were higher than any point of Carter's administration as late as 1985, and were still double digits into the Bush administration, so it seems erroneous to pin those solely on him.

As for lines at the gas station, those started in 1973 when (you can also feel free to look this up) the President was not Carter but Nixon.

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I don't like Donald Trump because he's a lazy bigot and liar. This has no bearing on the facts of his performance as President, which is to say the actual facts, not the various contradictory claims he's made on the Internet website http://www.twitter.com. The actual facts stand on their own as "fair to middling" from 2017-2019 and "catastrophic" in 2020.

But put all that aside and ask yourself this - if the economy was actually doing so great why did he so loudly and repeatedly want the Fed to lower rates? To, in your words, "trick the economy"? Why would he need a trick if he was winning? Was he tired of all the winning?

You have every number in the world at your fingertips. All you've gotta do is want to push the button.