This is the End

[FlayedAngel]

Is that what you call your brand of derision and denial?

You haven't been interested in "earnest discussion" at all. You're just interested in shoving your politics down everyone's throat and deflecting, mocking, and denying whenever anyone who even slightly disagrees with you tries to engage you.

Whatever helps you sleep at night though.
I don't even really need to point out the staggering hypocrisy here, but I'll do it anyway... and stating my opinion and being open to discussion isn't shoving my politics down anyone's throat.

[Tgo01]

No one's dying of a food shortage in the US.

I didn't say they were. Given what has already happened do you think it's a good idea to shut the entire country down for another 4+ months as has been suggested?


I write 3 paragraphs of gold on how the food supply chain has been disrupted and you can't see it because you're fixated on the toilet paper anecdote.

I did read your post, I just didn't feel the need to quote it and say "Agreed."


TLDR: we're not eating more or less, we're just eating (and shopping) in different places, and that has disrupted the food chain.

My whole point has been that the food supply chain has been disrupted and that I think shutting the entire country down for 4+ months is a very bad idea considering what we have already seen happen.

[Tgo01]

Please, do carry on with wildly out-of-your-ass claims.

Except for the derision... that, you've more than earned.

So I haven't earned the other 2 D's? That's just your usual way of engaging in "earnest discussion"?

[Solkern]

I didn't say they were. Given what has already happened do you think it's a good idea to shut the entire country down for another 4+ months as has been suggested?



I did read your post, I just didn't feel the need to quote it and say "Agreed."



My whole point has been that the food supply chain has been disrupted and that I think shutting the entire country down for 4+ months is a very bad idea considering what we have already seen happen.

Please show Statistics and data that proves that the food supply chain In America has been disrupted, other than “my meat shelf wasn’t full, like it should be”

[FlayedAngel]

So I haven't earned the other 2 D's? That's just your usual way of engaging in "earnest discussion"?
Did I stutter?

[Tgo01]

stating my opinion and being open to discussion isn't shoving my politics down anyone's throat.

You're not open to discussion, you're open to being right and talking down to me and others like we're a bunch of rubes who have just been waiting for an enlightened liberal to educate us.

[FlayedAngel]

You're not open to discussion, you're open to being right and talking down to me and others like we're a bunch of rubes who have just been waiting for an enlightened liberal to educate us.
Project more, dude.

[Tgo01]

Project more, dude.

Triple D.

[Bobmuhthol]

You're not open to discussion, you're open to being right and talking down to me and others like we're a bunch of rubes who have just been waiting for an enlightened liberal to educate us.Tell us more about how everyone but you politicizes everything.

[Tgo01]

Tell us more about how everyone but you politicizes everything.

I didn't even accuse anyone of politicizing everything. Are you feeling okay today? Your reading comprehension is worse than usual.

[Bobmuhthol]

You're just interested in shoving your politics down everyone's throat.

[FlayedAngel]

Triple D.
We know you love the D's, you don't need to keep reminding us.

[Tgo01]

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That doesn't mean they politicize everything. But maybe you can come up with a definition of "politicize" that will make my comment fit what you wrote.

[Bobmuhthol]

Okay so a person whose only interest is "shoving their politics down everyone's throat" does not make everything about politics, according to you. I'm not misquoting you. I'm not extending your claims or misrepresenting your statements in any way. I'm simply repeating your own words. And you think I can't read?

[Tgo01]

Okay so a person whose only interest is "shoving their politics down everyone's throat" does not make everything about politics, according to you. I'm not misquoting you. I'm not extending your claims or misrepresenting your statements in any way. I'm simply repeating your own words. And you think I can't read?

There you go, Bob. I knew you could twist some words around to make it look like I said what you said I said.

[Solkern]

There you go, Bob. I knew you could twist some words around to make it look like I said what you said I said.

Says the person who does this, almost every post as a form of argument.

[Bobmuhthol]

I love that you quoted me literally stating that I am not leaving anything to interpretation and using your own words, and your conclusion is that I am "twisting some words around." You can't get any fucking dumber.

[Solkern]

I love that you quoted me literally stating that I am not leaving anything to interpretation and using your own words, and your conclusion is that I am "twisting some words around." You can't get any fucking dumber.

Bob, just look at his own words, literally 5-6 posts apart




Have the backwards ass Democrats gotten so desperate that now quoting or saying what the founding fathers said is now deemed a bad thing?


An hour later he writes this:


Yes right there in and black white, I didn't say Cotton was quoting anyone, I said "or what the founding fathers said."

So you would be scratching your thick monkey melon like "Duh....so do you think murder is bad or not?"

This is post 3, Solkern. Hopefully tomorrow you can do better.


He literally twist his own words, and claims he never said what he said. Like how fucking retarded are you? That’s how warped his head is right now. He seriously has problems.

I asked him up to show any type of proof that the founding fathers said in any way, shape or form, slavery was a necessary evil. First I wanted those exact words since he mentioned quoting, then I asked any words, just anything that would support that argument. Of course, he doesn’t reply because he can’t.

[Archigeek]

I didn't say they were. Given what has already happened do you think it's a good idea to shut the entire country down for another 4+ months as has been suggested?



I did read your post, I just didn't feel the need to quote it and say "Agreed."



My whole point has been that the food supply chain has been disrupted and that I think shutting the entire country down for 4+ months is a very bad idea considering what we have already seen happen.

Yes, the supply chain has been disrupted by Covid-19. But that disruption was made much smoother by the already in progress disruption of how people shop.

The trouble with your argument is that to you it's all a zero sum on/off switch economy, and it doesn't work that way. At all. Whether or not more of the USA does more shut down or not, there will be disruption. We're not going to just declare that it's all over and everyone just goes back to business as usual. Blaming the disruption on the shutdown is like blaming your airbags for your car crash. You've got it backwards.

If we hadn't done such a shitty job of responding to this crisis in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

[Tgo01]

If we hadn't done such a shitty job of responding to this crisis in the first place, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

We can complain all day what we should or should not have done. I'm not even talking about that. I'm saying here we are now, how do we go forward? Is shutting the entire country down for 4+ months really the way to go?

I happen to think not and I used this story about supply chains being disrupted and children literally starving to death and my own personal anecdote of my local grocery stores to explain why I think it's a bad idea.

[Archigeek]

We can complain all day what we should or should not have done. I'm not even talking about that. I'm saying here we are now, how do we go forward? Is shutting the entire country down for 4+ months really the way to go?

I happen to think not and I used this story about supply chains being disrupted and children literally starving to death and my own personal anecdote of my local grocery stores to explain why I think it's a bad idea.

I think we're not in the place that you think we are. This disease is exploding here in the US, and tapering off nearly everywhere else on the planet, because of the hard actions other countries have taken. Getting this under control has to be our first goal, even if it does involve some hard choices. Otherwise our economy gets left behind while other countries move on. Granted, all countries that do business with us will suffer some, but they'll suffer less than us if we don't get this under control. To not do so will cost us trillions of dollars that could be spent improving infrastructure etc.

[Solkern]

I think we're not in the place that you think we are. This disease is exploding here in the US, and tapering off nearly everywhere else on the planet, because of the hard actions other countries have taken. Getting this under control has to be our first goal, even if it does involve some hard choices. Otherwise our economy gets left behind while other countries move on. Granted, all countries that do business with us will suffer some, but they'll suffer less than us if we don't get this under control. To not do so will cost us trillions of dollars that could be spent improving infrastructure etc.


Only if we made those hard choices 4 months ago. I’m currently in Lisbon, literally everything is open here, because they made the hard decisions, and the people followed. Mask and social distancing are required in every single store, They have people that monitor the aisles and allow only so many people inside. Oh and no one bitches, complains or cries about their freedom just because of wearing a mask.
Cases aren’t surging out of control.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think we're not in the place that you think we are. This disease is exploding here in the US, and tapering off nearly everywhere else on the planet, because of the hard actions other countries have taken. Getting this under control has to be our first goal, even if it does involve some hard choices. Otherwise our economy gets left behind while other countries move on. Granted, all countries that do business with us will suffer some, but they'll suffer less than us if we don't get this under control. To not do so will cost us trillions of dollars that could be spent improving infrastructure etc.


Only if we made those hard choices 4 months ago. I’m currently in Lisbon, literally everything is open here, because they made the hard decisions, and the people followed. Mask and social distancing are required in every single store, They have people that monitor the aisles and allow only so many people inside. Oh and no one bitches, complains or cries about their freedom just because of wearing a mask.
Cases aren’t surging out of control.

Hey, I just googled Covid19 world news. Not sure we get the same news feeds.

WSJ 4 hours ago: As Iran’s Covid-19 Death Toll Hits a Record, Government Remains Wary of Another Lockdown
BBC 7 hours ago: Coronavirus: What's the evidence Europe is having a 'second wave'?
BBC this morning: Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam
NPR yesterday: German And U.K. Officials Warn Of A Possible New COVID-19 Wave In Europe
WSJ yesterday: The World’s Covid Resurgence
NBC yesterday: Europe faces down a second coronavirus pandemic wave
BBC yesterday: Second wave of pandemic may be underway in Europe warns Boris Johnson
Reuters yesterday: WHO says COVID-19 pandemic is 'one big wave', not seasonal

[Solkern]

Hey, I just googled Covid19 world news. Not sure we get the same news feeds.

WSJ 4 hours ago: As Iran’s Covid-19 Death Toll Hits a Record, Government Remains Wary of Another Lockdown
BBC 7 hours ago: Coronavirus: What's the evidence Europe is having a 'second wave'?
BBC this morning: Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam
NPR yesterday: German And U.K. Officials Warn Of A Possible New COVID-19 Wave In Europe
WSJ yesterday: The World’s Covid Resurgence
NBC yesterday: Europe faces down a second coronavirus pandemic wave
BBC yesterday: Second wave of pandemic may be underway in Europe warns Boris Johnson
Reuters yesterday: WHO says COVID-19 pandemic is 'one big wave', not seasonal


A second wave was bound to come, I think everyone knew about that. While Europe and other parts of the world are hitting it, America is still on its first wave.

[Tgo01]

Hey, I just googled Covid19 world news. Not sure we get the same news feeds.

WSJ 4 hours ago: As Iran’s Covid-19 Death Toll Hits a Record, Government Remains Wary of Another Lockdown
BBC 7 hours ago: Coronavirus: What's the evidence Europe is having a 'second wave'?
BBC this morning: Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam
NPR yesterday: German And U.K. Officials Warn Of A Possible New COVID-19 Wave In Europe
WSJ yesterday: The World’s Covid Resurgence
NBC yesterday: Europe faces down a second coronavirus pandemic wave
BBC yesterday: Second wave of pandemic may be underway in Europe warns Boris Johnson
Reuters yesterday: WHO says COVID-19 pandemic is 'one big wave', not seasonal

Yeah people are wearing some huge blinders here thinking the disease is going away everywhere but the US.

Population of South America: 422 million
Number of new cases yesterday: 70k

Population of US: 330 million
number of new cases yesterday: 65k

Europe:
New cases 2 days ago: 14k
New cases yesterday: 15k
New cases today: 17k

Asia new cases today: 80k

And of course the Asia figure is way too low because China is still being a lying sack of shit claiming they only have 84k total cases and 4600 deaths.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

A second wave was bound to come, I think everyone knew about that. While Europe and other parts of the world are hitting it, America is still on its first wave.

Oh, ok.

[Solkern]

Yeah people are wearing some huge blinders here thinking the disease is going away everywhere but the US.

Population of South America: 422 million
Number of new cases yesterday: 70k

Population of US: 330 million
number of new cases yesterday: 65k

Europe:
New cases 2 days ago: 14k
New cases yesterday: 15k
New cases today: 17k

Asia new cases today: 80k

And of course the Asia figure is way too low because China is still being a lying sack of shit claiming they only have 84k total cases and 4600 deaths.

How nice! You are comparing one country to entire continents. Just THINK about that.
You think that makes us look like we are doing ok?

I love how you Conveniently left out the populations in Europe and Asia but added the population for South America.
Let’s not forget the medical/healthcare situation in South America is absolute shit compared to any western country.

Information tgo decided to leave out, in hopes to make his stupid narrative seem right.
Almost 700m people in Europe, 17k cases.
Over 4 billion people in Asia, 80k cases.

Using YOUR logic, I would say those look like damn good numbers compared to how we are doing.

Yup, way to go with those comparisons

Typical of tgo, adds information that supports his narrative, but leaves out other important facts that make his narrative look stupid, I mean it works on other stupid far right wing idiots, including himself... sadly for him, anyone with a brain can see through this bullshit. Please keep putting on huge blinders to any fact, information or source that goes against your tunnel-visioned narrative.

[Archigeek]

Hey, I just googled Covid19 world news. Not sure we get the same news feeds.

WSJ 4 hours ago: As Iran’s Covid-19 Death Toll Hits a Record, Government Remains Wary of Another Lockdown
BBC 7 hours ago: Coronavirus: What's the evidence Europe is having a 'second wave'?
BBC this morning: Coronavirus: Hong Kong on verge of 'large-scale' outbreak, says Carrie Lam
NPR yesterday: German And U.K. Officials Warn Of A Possible New COVID-19 Wave In Europe
WSJ yesterday: The World’s Covid Resurgence
NBC yesterday: Europe faces down a second coronavirus pandemic wave
BBC yesterday: Second wave of pandemic may be underway in Europe warns Boris Johnson
Reuters yesterday: WHO says COVID-19 pandemic is 'one big wave', not seasonal

I am not sure what you're trying to argue here. The case numbers are not a big secret, and it's pretty clear our response has been poor compared to a number of other countries, when we have the resources to have the best response.

You're a numbers guy. I don't have to point you to some statistical comparison website like John's Hopkins do I?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I am not sure what you're trying to argue here. The case numbers are not a big secret, and it's pretty clear our response has been poor compared to a number of other countries, when we have the resources to have the best response.

You're a numbers guy. I don't have to point you to some statistical comparison website like John's Hopkins do I?

I was just bringing more information to the discussion. I would suggest that the US isn't being left behind, that other countries are also in the midst of either continued waves or the still in their first wave (or arguably it's just one big wave). We have states in various phases of reopening, just like the rest of the world. It's disingenuous to say the US is worse than everywhere else.

[Solkern]

I was just bringing more information to the discussion. I would suggest that the US isn't being left behind, that other countries are also in the midst of either continued waves or the still in their first wave (or arguably it's just one big wave). We have states in various phases of reopening, just like the rest of the world. It's disingenuous to say the US is worse than everywhere else.

It also really depends on what exactly do you classify as a second wave? Or at what point is the first wave considered finished?
I think either way the biggest concern, I believe most countries have is trying to get COVID-19 under control as best as possible before flu season hits.

[Solkern]

I spoke with my friend who works at the American medical clinic in Moscow, he said the Russian government is starting to discuss mass burial sites for people this coming winter, they are asking doctors what they predict the death count will be.