Official: New Tattletale Functionality Released!

[Fortybox]

Hey Everyone! There have been some updates to the POLICY command.

We've introduced a new POLICY REPORT command. The primary focus of this command is to allow players the ability to report others for things against POLICY. This will then document the report to both parties as well as allow staff more tools to monitor patterns. You only need to report a player ONE time with this system for each category. Repeated reports can lead to a temporary or permanent block from using this system.

We will also be putting forth some new POLICY changes in the coming weeks related to these changes.

See POLICY REPORT in game for details:

Example Syntax: POLICY REPORT KINGKOOPA ABUSE ;He stole the princess again!

All players are expected to uphold the policies stated in the POLICY verb. The reporting player as well as the reported player will both be documented. All cases will be evaluated and assessed on the back end. No additional response will be provided directly to the player unless the POLICY REPORT command is used in abuse. If you are using this system inappropriately you are subject to the same punishment as the policy violation you are reporting.

Great news! GMs now need *your* help to build a better police state in Elanthia! Are those annoying players not meeting YOUR definition of how roleplaying should be? Or perhaps that pesky player is making TOO many silvers! Can't have that can we?!

Happy tattletaling!

Link below:

http://forums.play.net/forums/GemStone%20IV/GemStone%20IV%20Announcements/Important%20Announcements/view/3568

[Elgrim]

I've got a huge batch of popcorn ready for all the butthurt and drama this is going to cause.

[SonoftheNorth]

Mash that boomer button

[Fortybox]

Here are some examples in how YOU can make Elanthia a safe place for all:

policy report methais behavior ;methais is top of the fame list and it's not fair!

policy report pathragers botting ;pathragers keeps getting herbs in town and I cannot heal him in time!

policy report <HoA member> abuse ;hi, can you please stop all the cheating and abuse this organization does?

Oops my bad, refer to the top 2, not the third. Can't have that!

[Amerek]

This is sure to engender all sorts of good feelings in the playerbase, despite known instances of players already abusing report mechanics. Great job Simu!

[Taernath]

New titles unlocked: Hall Monitor, Whiny 'lil Bitch

[Astray]

I get the feeling only certain people are going to get an immediate response. Y'know, it'll be the people that throw regular bitch fits and get their way. So keep an eye out for those cunts.

[Methais]

Whoever came up with this is probably also calling cops on people over social distancing irl.

How is this supposed to be any different then regular REPORT though?

[Fortybox]

Whoever came up with this is probably also calling cops on people over social distancing irl.

How is this supposed to be any different then regular REPORT though?

Apparently rather than actually doing dev work that players really want (e.g. new hunting grounds), they would prefer players to do the hard work (i.e. free labor) and tattletale, essentially creating a queue for GMs to enforce policy and a system for nazi players to retaliate against groups of players they don't like.

[SonoftheNorth]

I assume they are coddling returning promo code players who came back and report everyone for daring to rest at a node and not interact with their shitty baby talk RP.

[Methais]

I assume they are coddling returning promo code players who came back and report everyone for daring to rest at a node and not interact with their shitty baby talk RP.

"MY CHARACTER HAS BEEN PREGNANT SINCE 2005 HOW DARE YOU RUIN MY IMMERSION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[Fortybox]

I assume they are coddling returning promo code players who came back and report everyone for daring to rest at a node and not interact with their shitty baby talk RP.

Unfortunately you have a group of players that insist roleplaying must be done in a certain way of their choosing and a general negative outlook on scripting (yet they still use the script ;lnet to chat on every single day). Retzer basically set up a way for these groups of players to discriminate against others.

With Wyrom looking the other way based on what some groups like HoA are doing, there is no doubt in my mind there will be preferential treatment given to some players who complain yet have no factual basis for doing so.

[Methais]

Unfortunately you have a group of players that insist roleplaying must be done in a certain way of their choosing and a general negative outlook on scripting (yet they still use the script ;lnet to chat on every single day). Retzer basically set up a way for these groups of players to discriminate against others.

With Wyrom looking the other way based on what some groups like HoA are doing, there is no doubt in my mind there will be preferential treatment given to some players who complain yet have no factual basis for doing so.

I still don't see what's different about this vs. regular REPORT other than possibly some unnecessary extra steps.

[Taernath]

I assume they are coddling returning promo code players who came back and report everyone for daring to rest at a node and not interact with their shitty baby talk RP.

https://i.imgur.com/3JG5LTV.gif

But yeah this is basically just another queue for reports with maybe a little better organization. Feels unnecessary, but Simu loves their unnecessary changes. There has been some pretty good dev recently so I'm not really faulting this.

[Fortybox]

I still don't see what's different about this vs. regular REPORT other than possibly some unnecessary extra steps.

I have no idea how the old reporting system worked. The new reporting system as described by Retzer organizes the reports into 3 categories and by player. Basically, great community organizers can retaliate against their chosen player/group by choice now. Don't like Methais? No problem, just organize your reporting against him, properly categorized into behavior, abuse or botting, for GMs to reference.

[Neveragain]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3f1fe20f669bff4e43fa862ee110b42d/tenor.gif?itemid=16742218


report everyone for daring to rest at a node and not interact with their shitty baby talk RP

Yay for ridiculously boring and uncreative role play.

[Gelston]

I have no idea how the old reporting system worked. The new reporting system as described by Retzer organizes the reports into 3 categories and by player. Basically, great community organizers can retaliate against their chosen player/group by choice now. Don't like Methais? No problem, just organize your reporting against him, properly categorized into behavior, abuse or botting, for GMs to reference.

The GMs would still have to catch him in the act. I assume this just makes it easier to categorize what someone has been reported for. "Ah, you have 6 reports for botting, and 4 for game abuse and you were just caught botting, so it obviously isn't a mistake and you probably knew what you were doing."

[Ardwen]

I love that everyone uses Methais as their example, what has Methais done to you all!

[neimanz1]

I love that everyone uses Methais as their example, what has Methais done to you all!

methais=gemstone logo

[bunnymustdie]

I still don't see what's different about this vs. regular REPORT other than possibly some unnecessary extra steps.

I think it's meant to go both ways, where if someone makes a lot of reports and most of them turn out to the false alarms or overblown, this new thingie keeps track of it and the GMs can learn to ignore those particular individuals.

[SonoftheNorth]

I think it's meant to go both ways, where if someone makes a lot of reports and most of them turn out to the false alarms or overblown, this new thingie keeps track of it and the GMs can learn to ignore those particular individuals.


That has never happened in history

[Gelston]

They should change the command to KAREN

[Taernath]

They should change the command to KAREN

Make it a tone.

>tone set karen
Your tone is now set to karen.
>"I demand to speak to an SGM!
You karen, "I demand to speak to an SGM!"

[Neveragain]

That has never happened in history

https://media1.giphy.com/media/duM6JZemPlOjUyqmxd/giphy.gif

[Fortybox]

The GMs would still have to catch him in the act. I assume this just makes it easier to categorize what someone has been reported for. "Ah, you have 6 reports for botting, and 4 for game abuse and you were just caught botting, so it obviously isn't a mistake and you probably knew what you were doing."

No, the big difference now is players can effectively create a bullseye on a player for the GMs to go after since it's now a system that organizations and prioritizes where GM's should step up policing efforts.

Retzer basically created a new system for discrimination and harassment. It's Mayor de Blasio approved.

[Fortybox]

I love that everyone uses Methais as their example, what has Methais done to you all!

Reported.

[Red]

I got an RPA for using this on Methais

[Alastir]

I think the new part, is that it now tracks the person who does the reporting as well as the person who is reported.

So if someone is using report as harassment, they can be banned.

[Merzbow]

Organized abuse of automated reporting mechanics has been a tried-and-tried tactic for getting people banned in online games since ancient times. Maybe this will be different!

[Taernath]

I think the new part, is that it now tracks the person who does the reporting as well as the person who is reported.

So if someone is using report as harassment, they can be banned.

Reporting has never been anonymous.

[Donquix]

Reporting has never been anonymous.

it wasn't anonymous but I don't think on their end it was ever keeping a record, of like X player has used report 999 times, 987 of them have been against player Y in the last month.

I don't think it's a coincidence this new feature was added right after someone had a pretty public blowup on discord, accusing another player of harassing them via reports (repeatedly reporting them for AFK scripting when they weren't, etc.)

[Ardwen]

tell us more....

[Donquix]

tell us more....

Clairette claimed Dhairn reported her for AFK scripting the locksmith pool, exclusively to harass her. They don't get along and have had a number of blowups. Her story was that he was no where near her (she was picking alone in some random pool location) so they were just doing it to get a rise out of her. Then gloated about being the one to report her via lnet messages. I have no idea what actually happened, only what she said on discord about the situation.

She answered the check and didn't get in trouble, but she blew up on discord that they were allowing someone to abuse the system in that way and not checking up on the validity of a report before acting on it (fwiw the gm that did the check responded and said they had no idea they had beef or whatever, if they did it would have influenced their motivation to follow up on the afk report). She flew off the handle a bit, said she was quitting because of it. Haven't seen her since and her discord account is now deactivated entirely (shows as a deleted user)

While her reaction may have been a bit....extreme. She isn't wrong, people have been abusing reports for vendettas since report was created so putting more formal accountability on the reporter is absolutely a good move.

[n0551n3n0m1n3]

Anyone else notice that this was released AFTER that tzii tool trolling IG and lnet? My guess is that GMs got tired of REPORT being used so much for scripters, and made it easier to separate real issues with the game, and perceived issues in the game

[Fortybox]

Clairette claimed Dhairn reported her for AFK scripting the locksmith pool, exclusively to harass her. They don't get along and have had a number of blowups. Her story was that he was no where near her (she was picking alone in some random pool location) so they were just doing it to get a rise out of her. Then gloated about being the one to report her via lnet messages. I have no idea what actually happened, only what she said on discord about the situation.

She answered the check and didn't get in trouble, but she blew up on discord that they were allowing someone to abuse the system in that way and not checking up on the validity of a report before acting on it (fwiw the gm that did the check responded and said they had no idea they had beef or whatever, if they did it would have influenced their motivation to follow up on the afk report). She flew off the handle a bit, said she was quitting because of it. Haven't seen her since and her discord account is now deactivated entirely (shows as a deleted user)

While her reaction may have been a bit....extreme. She isn't wrong, people have been abusing reports for vendettas since report was created so putting more formal accountability on the reporter is absolutely a good move.

Clairette is all sorts of mental (glad to see her go) but I get her point. My rogue is constantly reported for picking at the pool too. I literally logged in one morning and started picking ... 20 min go by and then I was script checked by a GM. I immediately reported to state that I was not AFK and also said I'd take an RPA for being falsely accused (never got one of course).

GemstoneIV has a high population of mentally unstable people. Insane people like Ylandra falsely report ALL the time.

[SonoftheNorth]

Clairette


Doesn't she flip out on discord weekly and quit?

[Fortybox]

Doesn't she flip out on discord weekly and quit?

Wyrom breathes, she complains. A player looks at her funny, she complains. Someone doesn't spell a word correctly on discord, she complains.

Totally mental. A lot of people on disability, psych issues, drugs, etc. play this game. Which is one reason why I fear these changes.

[Slit-eye]

First I'm hearing of it. Claire was bein' a bitch to me in Discord, so I put her on ignore. When she realized I couldn't see her messages anymore, she ran Clairette up to Dhairn in TSC, WI'd him, and ran off. Like... wtf? I don't even know who Clairette was at the time. So I reported that I just had some random person I'd never had previous encounters with WI Dhairn in TSC.

Evidently, she got a temp ban from it and got butthurt. It's the only time I've reported someone for anything, and I didn't even mean to report that one as a negative - just as a request to find out why I was being WI'd. Whatever chiqua tells you happened is all in her brainpan. You can feel free to refer to this post as "permission to know" should you want to ask a GM to verify what I just said.

-Dhairn's player.

[Neveragain]

Clairette is all sorts of mental (glad to see her go) but I get her point. My rogue is constantly reported for picking at the pool too. I literally logged in one morning and started picking ... 20 min go by and then I was script checked by a GM. I immediately reported to state that I was not AFK and also said I'd take an RPA for being falsely accused (never got one of course).

GemstoneIV has a high population of mentally unstable people. Insane people like Ylandra falsely report ALL the time.

I'm not even sure why Ylandra has not been perma-banned...oh wait, yes I do. Half their GM staff are Karens.

[Taernath]

She posted as sellstuff1 before catching a ban here too, lmao

[Orthin]

I'm not even sure why Ylandra has not been perma-banned...oh wait, yes I do. Half their GM staff are Karens.

I thought Ylandra was well liked? Or am I confusing her with Leafi.

I know both have been great with me, but I also never can do most RP events due to time so I have no idea how Ylandra is with those things.

[Fortybox]

First I'm hearing of it. Claire was bein' a bitch to me in Discord, so I put her on ignore. When she realized I couldn't see her messages anymore, she ran Clairette up to Dhairn in TSC, WI'd him, and ran off. Like... wtf? I don't even know who Clairette was at the time. So I reported that I just had some random person I'd never had previous encounters with WI Dhairn in TSC.

Evidently, she got a temp ban from it and got butthurt. It's the only time I've reported someone for anything, and I didn't even mean to report that one as a negative - just as a request to find out why I was being WI'd. Whatever chiqua tells you happened is all in her brainpan. You can feel free to refer to this post as "permission to know" should you want to ask a GM to verify what I just said.

-Dhairn's player.

:lol:

Wow. What a nutcase.

[Fortybox]

I thought Ylandra was well liked? Or am I confusing her with Leafi.

I know both have been great with me, but I also never can do most RP events due to time so I have no idea how Ylandra is with those things.

Leafiara is well respected.

Ylandra can go from 0-60 in nanoseconds on the crazy trigger scale...a very unstable person.

[Tgo01]

Anyone else notice that this was released AFTER that tzii tool trolling IG and lnet? My guess is that GMs got tired of REPORT being used so much for scripters, and made it easier to separate real issues with the game, and perceived issues in the game

That's what I thought too.

Tzii was only the second or third person I have ever had to ban from my Dreavening LNet channel and he was just going on and on bitching about people using scripts and Lich, wouldn't surprise me if he was abusing REPORT.

Although I don't think they implemented this change so fast so it's probably not because of Tzii specifically, but that type of person.

[Amerek]

If this is actually to track people who revenge-report, maybe it will be a net positive thing.

[Elgrim]

The report thing actually got announced the day of Tzii's meltdown, prior to said meltdown. So his actions weren't the trigger for this. Not excusing that lunacy at all mind you.

[Slit-eye]

Amerek's right. If they use this to monitor false reporting and harassment, we might actually end up with a kinder gentler Elanthia.

...


...


Shut up, Zao.

[Taernath]

That's what I thought too.

Tzii was only the second or third person I have ever had to ban from my Dreavening LNet channel and he was just going on and on bitching about people using scripts and Lich, wouldn't surprise me if he was abusing REPORT.

Although I don't think they implemented this change so fast so it's probably not because of Tzii specifically, but that type of person.

I caught only the tail end of that. What was he doing?

[Elgrim]

I caught only the tail end of that. What was he doing?

Started with talking about scripting on lnet, got banned. Went to merchant with it, got banned. Went to help, got banned. Went to Dreavening, got banned. Then stood in TSC for hours spouting off crazy talk.

Pretty sure he was drunk, high, or both. It was all pretty much gibberish. Mainly calling out people for using 3rd party stuff while use used 3rd party stuff to call them out.

[Donquix]

Scripting is like driving. Anyone who does less than me is an old person who needs to get out of the way, anyone who does more is a maniac.

[SonoftheNorth]

Started with talking about scripting on lnet, got banned. Went to merchant with it, got banned. Went to help, got banned. Went to Dreavening, got banned. Then stood in TSC for hours spouting off crazy talk.
It was all pretty much gibberish. Mainly calling out people for using 3rd party stuff while use used 3rd party stuff to call them out.

Aldie alt?

[Tgo01]

I caught only the tail end of that. What was he doing?

These forums keep giving me an error if I copy and paste the log directly here so I uploaded it here:

https://justpaste.it/7odz0

I was afk for most of the meltdown on the Dreavening channel, not sure what happened on the other channels.

[Voldemort]

Worst idea ever.

The problem with this game is that they pull players to do dev and policy enforcement work. This creates MASSIVE conflicts of interest.

This is going to get stealth abused in so many ways. And it’s going to prevent people from actually RPing and enjoying the game freely without constantly having to second guess if they hurt someone’s fee-fees or if them nuking a bunch of rooms is going to annoy someone.

[Fortybox]

Aldie alt?

:lol: I thought the same thing.

[Methais]

Make it a tone.

>tone set karen
Your tone is now set to karen.
>"I demand to speak to an SGM!
You karen, "I demand to speak to an SGM!"

Someone needs to create this character right now.

[Methais]

I got an RPA for using this on Methais

I did too holy fuck.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

This sounds like a great use of dev time and will bring much balance to the lands.

[Furryrat]

I don't get all the drama, doesn't this just refine and clarify a process that already existed? REPORT has always been there, not to mention email.

However, should this ever be used against me, I just hope I get pulled here:

[Consultation Lounge, Karen's Office]

[audioserf]

I think this is overall a positive. I don't think the Clairette/Dhairn drama (I have no idea if that's true or not, but it's a hypothetical example at least) is the only instance where someone could weaponize Report to fuck with someone they don't like. If you decide you don't like someone, just report them constantly, sooner or later they'll probably fail a script check and you'll get your W. This system tracks that sort of bullshit. "Looking at your records, Fuccboi, you've used REPORT 900 times against Fortybox this month, and he's passed every single script check. It turns out that you are actually just a stupid ass hole, here's your warning".

[Taernath]

Someone needs to create this character right now.

I tried, but just about every hammered shit variation of Karen was taken.

[Gelston]

No, the big difference now is players can effectively create a bullseye on a player for the GMs to go after since it's now a system that organizations and prioritizes where GM's should step up policing efforts.

Retzer basically created a new system for discrimination and harassment. It's Mayor de Blasio approved.

Um, they always could. You don't think GMs don't know who is probably AFK scripting and who is probably a doucher? They read REPORTS that come in. There is actually an official term for players with bull's eyes on them, called HMC.

[Fortybox]

I think this is overall a positive. I don't think the Clairette/Dhairn drama (I have no idea if that's true or not, but it's a hypothetical example at least) is the only instance where someone could weaponize Report to fuck with someone they don't like. If you decide you don't like someone, just report them constantly, sooner or later they'll probably fail a script check and you'll get your W. This system tracks that sort of bullshit. "Looking at your records, Fuccboi, you've used REPORT 900 times against Fortybox this month, and he's passed every single script check. It turns out that you are actually just a stupid ass hole, here's your warning".

That's the problem I'm highlighting though. When the crazy's report, they are in fact making script checks happen more often for the player's they are targeting. The end result is discrimination against a particular player. So despite that player passing script checks (hopefully), they wouldn't have had to pass them in the first place because they wouldn't have been script checked.

[Fortybox]

Um, they always could. You don't think GMs don't know who is probably AFK scripting and who is probably a doucher? They read REPORTS that come in. There is actually an official term for players with bull's eyes on them, called HMC.

The new system that Retzer put in will cause even more reports to be filed since they are effectively deputizing all players. Players that the playerbase wants to target will now be discriminated against.

[Amerek]

The biggest problem I have is that if you're wrongly accused of something, there's now a report of it that follows you around indefinitely. It's like if you're accused of shoplifting a dozen times but never convicted. Still looks like shit.

[Gelston]

The biggest problem I have is that if you're wrongly accused of something, there's now a report of it that follows you around indefinitely. It's like if you're accused of shoplifting a dozen times but never convicted. Still looks like shit.

And that isn't a big deal. Almost anytime a GM looks in on you, they make a report about it. When I first became a GM, I was amazed at all the weird bullshit that was logged to my account. Any interaction you have with a GM (outside of RP stuff and merchants and stuff) is generally logged.

[Fortybox]

The biggest problem I have is that if you're wrongly accused of something, there's now a report of it that follows you around indefinitely. It's like if you're accused of shoplifting a dozen times but never convicted. Still looks like shit.

Not only that but now GMs are looking at a sub-set of players due to those false reports. It's discrimination and harassment.

[Gelston]

Not only that but now GMs are looking at a sub-set of players due to those false reports. It's discrimination and harassment.

Okay victim.

[Archigeek]

I'm pretty sure this changes nothing. It used to be report was just report, now it's what, 7 subcategories? This just adds another one. If you're not AFK scripting or being an all around douche bag, you've got nothing to worry about, same as before.

[Fortybox]

Okay victim.

I'm sorry you don't see the implications of this. It's not a good thing.

[Gelston]

I'm sorry you don't see the implications of this. It's not a good thing.

There aren't any implications further than what already exists. GS isn't a massive community. GMs know who you are. They see the shit already. To think they don't already talk about players and shit behind the scenes is naive at best.

This more creates a log of people spamming report.

[Fortybox]

There aren't any implications further than what already exists. GS isn't a massive community. GMs know who you are. They see the shit already. To think they don't already talk about players and shit behind the scenes is naive at best.

This more creates a log of people spamming report.

Wrong, it creates a log of people spamming report and those who the report is against. The incentive is now to create more reporting around people certain players/groups don't like to put attention on people that is unwarranted.

[Gelston]

Wrong, it creates a log of people spamming report and those who the report is against. The incentive is now to create more reporting around people certain players/groups don't like to put attention on people that is unwarranted.

I was going to type something, but it just isn't worth it. Sky is falling. Go hide!

[Fortybox]

I was going to type something, but it just isn't worth it. Sky is falling. Go hide!

Reported.

[Gelston]

Reported.

https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/94747356_3034346683252819_4607055446681845760_n.jp g?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_ohc=pFp22jUhniQAX_F9h21&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=92b2879fab6ea43a59a264315c746111&oe=5EE00EBD

[RYshinanigansAN]

>

Snitch says, "POLICY REPORT ProbablyanOkguy SCRIPTING ;Was clearly scripting in River's Rest all morning. Finally got killed and was unresponsive to efforts to aid him. Stayed with him trying to get a response until he finally auto-logged out, or appeared to. Have seen the same person the past few days in the same area exhibiting all the signs of afk scripting."


[River's Rest, Sanctuary - 10855]
Deep in the forest rests a small shrine lovingly carved of the silvery haon wood that surrounds you. Birdsong and the gentle rustling of leaves fill the air with a strong sense of life. From somewhere nearby the gentle sound of running water completes the quiet symphony. Little else disturbs the peace save for an occasional muted voice drifting on the breeze. You also see the Snitch disk and the Innocent disk.
Also here: A Snitch
Obvious paths: southeast
>scold
You shake your head, clucking your tongue.

I just thought it was funny and reminded me of this thread.....

[Methais]

>

Snitch says, "POLICY REPORT ProbablyanOkguy SCRIPTING ;Was clearly scripting in River's Rest all morning. Finally got killed and was unresponsive to efforts to aid him. Stayed with him trying to get a response until he finally auto-logged out, or appeared to. Have seen the same person the past few days in the same area exhibiting all the signs of afk scripting."


[River's Rest, Sanctuary - 10855]
Deep in the forest rests a small shrine lovingly carved of the silvery haon wood that surrounds you. Birdsong and the gentle rustling of leaves fill the air with a strong sense of life. From somewhere nearby the gentle sound of running water completes the quiet symphony. Little else disturbs the peace save for an occasional muted voice drifting on the breeze. You also see the Snitch disk and the Innocent disk.
Also here: A Snitch
Obvious paths: southeast
>scold
You shake your head, clucking your tongue.

I just thought it was funny and reminded me of this thread.....

Should have killed him because reasons.

[Fortybox]

>

Snitch says, "POLICY REPORT ProbablyanOkguy SCRIPTING ;Was clearly scripting in River's Rest all morning. Finally got killed and was unresponsive to efforts to aid him. Stayed with him trying to get a response until he finally auto-logged out, or appeared to. Have seen the same person the past few days in the same area exhibiting all the signs of afk scripting."


[River's Rest, Sanctuary - 10855]
Deep in the forest rests a small shrine lovingly carved of the silvery haon wood that surrounds you. Birdsong and the gentle rustling of leaves fill the air with a strong sense of life. From somewhere nearby the gentle sound of running water completes the quiet symphony. Little else disturbs the peace save for an occasional muted voice drifting on the breeze. You also see the Snitch disk and the Innocent disk.
Also here: A Snitch
Obvious paths: southeast
>scold
You shake your head, clucking your tongue.

I just thought it was funny and reminded me of this thread.....

It’s the PC, why are you making their name anonymous?

[Furryrat]

In the Rest there is a far simpler remedy.