Another Training help thread

[pREDDY]

So, i've recently returned to GS4 like many others and i can't quite remember my training path for my empath. I have a lot of unused TPs and i'm not sure where to use em. I do plan to heal, but its a secondary function to being able to hunt. i don't really intend to bolt at all(thats what my wizard is for.)

I'm currently level 46.


Skills:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use.......................... | 40 8
Physical Fitness................... | 147 47
Arcane Symbols..................... | 147 47
Magic Item Use..................... | 147 47
Harness Power...................... | 180 80
Mental Mana Control................ | 146 46
Spirit Mana Control................ | 147 47
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 93 21
Perception......................... | 147 47
Climbing........................... | 105 25
Swimming........................... | 50 10
First Aid.......................... | 194 94

Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 67
Training Points: 381 Phy 0 Mnt (1254 Phy converted to Mnt)

from the looks of it, i seem undertrained in MjS and MnS although i'm not really sure what i'm going to gain from further training those. lores seem to be relatively nonexistant. i'm overtrained in HP for a larger mana pool which i don't think i'll be training any more of until i hit level 80 and then continue as 1x -1.

thanks in advance for the help

[Furryrat]

One great thing about empaths is the ability to triple train in Physical Fitness, which is your primary skill for SMR (maneuver) defense. If you have extra points now, and do plan to hunt regularly, I'd go ahead and pick up 2x PF.

[lexbubba]

I would drop to 1x-1 HP (you are paying a ton for 1 mana each rank after that), 1x FA (I haven't found a need for more). Instead you can use these points to get your empath spell ranks up higher to improve cs, get a bit of lore, and 2x pf. What society are you in? If gos, I would aim for blessing lore for stamina recovery with 1107.

[pREDDY]

i'm in COL currently, half my characters are in GoS and i wanted something different. i kinda just 2x'd FA cause it was cheap and COL, and as you can see, a ton of unused TPs.

[Velfi]

If you don't care about bandaging people or foraging, I would drop the FA altogether, and drop the HP down to 1x, and probably drop the MMC down some too as it's not a lot of benefit when you can use the TPs elsewhere, like for your spell ranks.

edit: Also, 2x PF at minimum (3x is better), given its cost and utility.

[pREDDY]

thanks for the suggestions so far. i've 2x'd PF, haven't dropped anything, i still have 200+ unused TPs. lol

should i just pump more empath spell ranks for the CS?


Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 194 94
Arcane Symbols.....................| 147 47
Magic Item Use.....................| 147 47
Harness Power......................| 180 80
Mental Mana Control................| 146 46
Spirit Mana Control................| 147 47
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 93 21
Perception.........................| 147 47
Climbing...........................| 105 25
Swimming...........................| 50 10
First Aid..........................| 194 94

Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 67
Training Points: 215 Phy 0 Mnt (1240 Phy converted to Mnt)

[Elgrim]

Have you considered spell aim for 111 and web bolt?

[pREDDY]

no, not really. just figured i'd bone shatter my way to victory. i have a wizard for bolting.

[Taernath]

Have you considered spell aim for 111 and web bolt?

https://i.imgur.com/KNIn7sV.jpg

[pREDDY]

lol ok thats hilarious, but no. bone shatter wrecks, why would i ever want to be in offensive stance?

[Taernath]

lol ok thats hilarious, but no. bone shatter wrecks, why would i ever want to be in offensive stance?

... are you not channeling boneshatter from offensive?

[Velfi]

... are you not channeling boneshatter from offensive?

https://i.imgur.com/g8sgbpG.gif

[pREDDY]

i do very much prefer staying alive over killing quicker and find that the hard rt and stance change is just overkill. things die pretty easily as is

[Nothing]

Bone shatter is a great spell and is certainly able to carry a character through to cap. The thing with it is that as you gain levels there will be a lot of critters that are either outright immune to it or difficult ward with a high enough endroll to be effective. Not to mention having to dispel magical critters to ward them gets expensive fast. Also, as you get to higher levels, you'll want to stance up and channel 1106 more often anyway, giving you 3 sec of hard RT.

Luckily, empaths don't have to choose between being effective bolters or CS casters, it's pretty easy to be effective at both. 2x in Spell Aim and eventually getting 50 ranks in Summoning lore is plenty to be effective with 111 and 118, And you'll already be pretty good with 1110 with the Transformation lore you have already. Setting up a macro or short script for each of those three spells will mean you're offensive for less then a second and the versatility will mean you don't have to refuse as many Adv guild tasks or avoid hunting grounds cause they have critters you can't deal with.

Lastly, 3x in PF is nice, but it's hardly necessary unless you tanked STR or AGI.

[pREDDY]

alright so i bit the bullet.

i had to drop 2x pf to 1x, fa to 1x and hp to 1x -1, but i'm now 2x spell aiming, 20 in manipulation lores, 20 in telepathy lores, and 20 in summoning lores. i can now web bolt and empathic assualt. new goals are to bring pf back up to 2x, and then continue lores as i'm not over trained in lores in order to have access to all the fun stuff.

thank you all for the help

[lexbubba]

I think you are headed the right direction, but can you post your latest skills? I think it is really important to prioritize getting your PF back up to 2x as soon as possible as I hear this helps quite a bit for maneuver defense. It may be worth dropping HP back down to closer to 1x to do this.

For reference, here is my Empath's training that I have really focused on refining over the last few months and am pretty happy with the results thus far (switching from pure CoL healer to pure GoS bolting/warding hunter/healer). I am not sure how much it helps though as my empath is almost double yours in levels. My next priorities are mastering GoS (at 12 right now), getting summoning lore up a lot, then probably increasing spell ranks (empath for CS and the others for capabilities).

I haven't exactly nailed down this spellcasting thing (coming from playing a warrior), but I am finding when hunting warcamps (which I pretty much do exclusively), I am mostly using 118 (web bolt), 111 (fire spirit), 1106 (bone shatter), and a bit of 1110 (empathic assault). No specific order there (probably 111 and 1106 the most). Still running out of mana eventually after a long session of hunting with the lumnis brooch (even with enhancives), but temporarily making my warrior a mana battery for him, and don't expect this to be an issue when i master GoS at which point i can convert stamina to mana.


Lexbubba's Empath (at level 92), your current skill bonuses and ranks (including all modifiers) are:
Skill Name | Current Current
| Bonus Ranks
Armor Use..........................| 40 8
Physical Fitness...................| 381 281
Arcane Symbols.....................| 194 94
Magic Item Use.....................| 194 94
Spell Aiming.......................| 288 188
Harness Power......................| 207 107
Mental Mana Control................| 194 94
Spirit Mana Control................| 194 94
Spiritual Lore - Blessings.........| 165 65
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 117 29
Mental Lore - Manipulation.........| 96 22
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 90 20
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 157 57
Perception.........................| 194 94
Climbing...........................| 160 60
Swimming...........................| 140 40
First Aid..........................| 194 94
Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 40
Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 40
Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 113
Training Points: 10 Phy 0 Mnt (1,600 Phy converted to Mnt)
(Use SKILLS BASE to display unmodified ranks and goals)

[pREDDY]

i agree on prioritizing 2x PF. i'm also 5 lore shy of the 20 i need summoning lore

my current skills


Skill Name | Actual Actual
| Bonus Ranks Goals In-Game Time to Goal
Armor Use..........................| 40 8 8
Physical Fitness...................| 189 89.338 48 31 days, 3 hours, 44 minutes
Arcane Symbols.....................| 148 48 48
Magic Item Use.....................| 148 48 48
Spell Aiming.......................| 176 76 96 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Harness Power......................| 177 77.169 47 51 days, 0 hours, 20 minutes
Mental Mana Control................| 147 47 47
Spirit Mana Control................| 148 48 48
Spiritual Lore - Summoning.........| 0 0 15 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Mental Lore - Telepathy............| 0 0 20 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Mental Lore - Transformation.......| 90 20 20
Perception.........................| 148 48 48
Climbing...........................| 105 25 25
Swimming...........................| 50 10 10
First Aid..........................| 185 85.675 48 18 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes

Spell Lists
Major Spiritual....................| 25 25

Spell Lists
Minor Spiritual....................| 20 20

Spell Lists
Empath.............................| 67 68 ASAP (will rise when points are available)
Training Points: 66 Phy 0 Mnt (1296 Phy converted to Mnt)