No Child Left Behind?

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Apparently a provision in the No Child Left Behind act gives the military access to your private information if you attend public school.

Thats a brilliant example of Big Brother, military/corporate domination, and this administrations real agenda.

MilitaryFreeZone.com (http://www.militaryfreezone.org/index.html) explains how to get your info out of the military’s hands.

[Parkbandit]

FUCKING FACISTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!11111111111111111111111oneoneoneONEONEONE

[Vitruvian]

Wow, No Bueno. You know Bush couldnt do something like that without having a hidden agenda. How did we elect that retarded bastard again? ( Please dont reply by saying "we voted him") It wont be funny.

[Alfster]

Hah, for you military haters, this could be a good thing.

Have a prescription for asthma, bam you're out of the military.

[xtc]

I can't say that I am ecstatic about the military having information on children in public schools. This, to me, is a clear cut violation of privacy, luckily there is an opt out clause. However I wonder how many parents know that their child's information is being forward to the US military.

Regarding education, I do like the voucher system.

[Vitruvian]

Oh please, your privacy rights have been being violated since the early 80's.

[Jolena]

That makes it okay..how?

[Bobmuhthol]

People have committed murder for millions of years.

[Vitruvian]

It certainly doesnt make it okay by any means. Im just saying...

[Bobmuhthol]

So am I.

[Jolena]

You're just saying..what? That because it's been done for years that we shouldn't have a right to think it's wrong? I mean really. Your response to Xylen was basically "Oh well it's been happening for a long time now anyhow, so stop your crying and stfu", just not in those exact words. Sheesh.

[Hulkein]

He's saying that because Backlash, as usual, is placing exclusive blame on this 'regime.'

[Some Rogue]

Ok, so they get name, address and phone number...about what you could find in a phone book.

Also, how is this different than having to fill out the selective service card at age 18?

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Your response to Xylen was basically "Oh well it's been happening for a long time now anyhow, so stop your crying and stfu", just not in those exact words. Sheesh.>>

And your response was, "I'm a sarcastic know-it-all bitch," but in different words.

[Jolena]

Last time I checked, unless a child has a specific phone line of their own, their personal name would not show up, only their parents. No, it's not hard to get that information if you really wanted it, but there's a difference between handing it over to the military and them searchign it out. I think it's all about a matter of choice, rather then the information that is being given out.

[Vitruvian]

Im wrong your right, you win. YAY

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Ok, so they get name, address and phone number...about what you could find in a phone book.

Also, how is this different than having to fill out the selective service card at age 18?>>

If this is all that's given, it's not an invasion of privacy by any means. You're not entitled to a private name if you exist in society. Your address and phone number exist whether you like it or not. Give me a phone number and I'll give you driving directions to the address.

<<Last time I checked, unless a child has a specific phone line of their own, their personal name would not show up, only their parents.>>

This is correct.

<<No, it's not hard to get that information if you really wanted it, but there's a difference between handing it over to the military and them searchign it out. I think it's all about a matter of choice, rather then the information that is being given out.>>

This is absolute bullshit. "I should be able to choose to hassle the military or not!" That's what you sound like, and it sounds stupid.

[Vitruvian]

lol.. Do you always put words in peoples mouth?:offtopic:

[Jolena]

There is nothing in my post that would leave the impression that I am saying we should have a choice to hassle the military. You're simply grasping at straws. I'm sure you realize what I was saying, but are just trying to be an ass. Go figure.

What I was saying is that the issue that some people (including myself) have with the No Child Left Behind Act and the issue of information being given to the military, is that it's not willingly given by the parents of the children. Not what information is being given out.

[Bobmuhthol]

<<There is nothing in my post that would leave the impression that I am saying we should have a choice to hassle the military. You're simply grasping at straws. I'm sure you realize what I was saying, but are just trying to be an ass. Go figure.>>

Pulling that card gets you nowhere. You realize what you said. And it sounded something like, "I should be able to choose to hassle the military or not!" You're just trying to win an argument by defending yourself with played out shit. Shut the fuck up.

<<What I was saying is that the issue that some people (including myself) have with the No Child Left Behind Act and the issue of information being given to the military, is that it's not willingly given by the parents of the children. Not what information is being given out.>>

And before you said that the problem is that the information is *easily accessible* but you want them to have to look for it.

[Brattt8525]

The military already has all the info on my 2 children along with my mom step dad sister brother inlaw and even came by to talk to my neighbors!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shiiiittttttt. Wtf it isn't like they want the info to do malicious things with it.

Also your info can be gathered very very easily, identity theft ring a bell? SSN are easy to get and I know my children had them before they were 2 months old.

[Bobmuhthol]

One thing I'm interested in is what ground you have to complain about this. They have your information, and you have the choice to not give it to them. But you're defending the ability to remove yourself as if it's being challenged.

As much as I wish the option was never created, it's there. You still, somehow, manage to have a problem with it.

[Jolena]

No, it's not hard to get that information if you really wanted it, but there's a difference between handing it over to the military and them searchign it out.

Nowhere in that statement, did I say anything regarding me wanting them to search it out. I said that there is a difference between us willingly giving the military information (about our children as it applies to this thread) and them searching it out (IE. the clause in the No Child Left Behind Act that causes the schools to release it to them). Didn't realize I had to break it down for you.



[Edited on 3-21-2005 by Jolena]

[Bobmuhthol]

<<Nowhere in that statement, did I say anything regarding me wanting them to search it out.>>

Really?


but there's a difference between handing it over to the military and them searchign it out.

Then I'm going to have to call you a fucking idiot for bringing a completely irrelevant comparison to the discussion, if you're going to tell me that having the military search for information does not mean having the military search for information.

<<I said that there is a difference between us willingly giving the military information (about our children as it applies to this thread) and them searching it out (IE. the clause in the No Child Left Behind Act that causes the schools to release it to them).>>

Yeah, there is a difference. The difference is one causes more problems for them in retrieving information, and the other doesn't. Good work, detective.

<<Also WTF does my picture have to do with my comments to you Bob? I could pull your emaciated picture up and post it as well. What purpose does it serve? None.>>

It's about as important in this as saying "there's a difference between having information and not having information." You couldn't pull up my emaciated picture, because it does not exist. If you'd stop being a fat fuck you'd have a better perspective on the world. Things that are smaller than you are not uncommon. You can crush the Empire State Building with one hand, that doesn't mean it's small.

[DeV]

Originally posted by Some Rogue
Ok, so they get name, address and phone number...about what you could find in a phone book.

Also, how is this different than having to fill out the selective service card at age 18? I haven't read all the replies but I just wanted to comment on this post. I for one am glad Backlash posted this information though I'm sure it is not something that will be of benefit to us all. I sure do wish I knew if it was an option back when I was in highschool. Reason being, the military will attempt to recruit certain graduating high school seniors. When I graduated from high school I was called by Army and Navy recruiters alot, I'm talking a ridiculous amount of phone calls for about three months, 2 times a week, until my father got on the phone with them one day and told them not only was I not yet even 17 but I was not interested in joining the military, period. Only then did the calls stop. The same thing happened when my brother graduated which happened to be around the same time as 9/11 so we didn't think much of it at the time but we got them to stop calling eventually.

The way they obtained our information was through school records. I'm not saying it's a bad thing that they are able to obtain this information because I believe the recruiteres are in place for a very good reason. However, there should definitely be a optional recourse in place if a parent or student does not want to be contacted by military recruiters who've obtained information through school records.

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