Entirely Un-Official at this point - Box "pool"

[Avaia]

It is still in the finishing stages, but Naijin was talking on Discord today about how he has submitted to QC some sort of worldwide "pool" system for boxes. Apparently the intent is so that people can leave their boxes in..I'm not sure yet.....and then Rogues can pick them, get auto-tipped(I think?), then the player can come pick them up later.

[Tgo01]

It is still in the finishing stages, but Naijin was talking on Discord today about how he has submitted to QC some sort of worldwide "pool" system for boxes. Apparently the intent is so that people can leave their boxes in..I'm not sure yet.....and then Rogues can pick them, get auto-tipped(I think?), then the player can come pick them up later.

Kind of like the NPC locksmith except it's not instant? Interesting idea.

[Sile]

Sounds like a great option for giving locksmiths characters back their exp they can earn.

Initial thought though if it can be abused by a few very high locksmiths and eat up all the boxes, leaving little for non capped ones to do.

[Tgo01]

Sounds like a great option for giving locksmiths characters back their exp they can earn.

Initial thought though if it can be abused by a few very high locksmiths and eat up all the boxes, leaving little for non capped ones to do.

A good idea would be to limit how many boxes a character can pick in a given time frame. Like 10 every 30 minutes or something. Or maybe it would depend on how many boxes are in queue, like 100+ boxes and let people pick as much as they want, once it drops to 50 or so then start limiting people.

[Avaia]

Kind of like the NPC locksmith except it's not instant? Interesting idea.

Basically, yeah. Some people brought up the fact that with scripts nobody is going to want to wait for who-knows-how-long, and Estild actually had a valid and clear response! His point was that unless a player for some reason needs that silver right now (which almost no one does) than it doesn't really matter if it takes while. If folks want to script it they can script dropping the boxes off and then script coming back by and checking on them.

Apparently the boxes aren't actually "taken" by the Locksmith so there is no potential for theft. Also, the boxes you will get offered are somehow based on your skill, so a low-level Rogue won't randomly get a Nelemar box or something.


Initial thought though if it can be abused by a few very high locksmiths and eat up all the boxes, leaving little for non capped ones to do.

This exact question came up pretty fast in the chat, and they are going to limit it somehow. I'm not sure they know how yet, but one high level locksmith just taking every box and burning through a couple hundred LTEs won't be allowed.

[Avaia]

Players have been talking about this idea for a while now. Maybe we have at least one DEV GM who listens? :shocked:

Nice to see Rogues get some lovin'.

[audioserf]

Naijin remains the only GM doing anything at all.

UAC Berserk
Acrobats Leap
Those new UAC weapon gauntlets (for DR but I’m still counting it because I like him!)
This picking option

They need a dozen Naijins.

[Orthin]

I cannot wait to support this system and also start training lockpicking/disarming on my bard because I love picking!

[Orthin]

Oh and as an HK bard and I am sure for Delfs too this will always be a better option than the town smithy. Man I am stoked for this!

[Taernath]

Naijin remains the only GM doing anything at all.

UAC Berserk
Acrobats Leap
Those new UAC weapon gauntlets (for DR but I’m still counting it because I like him!)
This picking option

They need a dozen Naijins.

Is Naijin one of the new hires? I hope they don't burn out. :(

[Maerit]

the question is whether it will be restricted to rogues with LM or if anyone who passes the skill check will be eligible. TBH, wouldn't mind this being rogue only to improve rogue specific utility, but as I don't play a rogue, I could leverage this on say my bard or something to level through some annoying parts of the game instead of hunting.

[Avaia]

Is Naijin one of the new hires? I hope they don't burn out. :(

Yes, and me too.

[audioserf]

the question is whether it will be restricted to rogues with LM or if anyone who passes the skill check will be eligible. TBH, wouldn't mind this being rogue only to improve rogue specific utility, but as I don't play a rogue, I could leverage this on say my bard or something to level through some annoying parts of the game instead of hunting.

I think I saw Estild comment in discord that it will be open to all classes but that Rogues will have priority in the pool.

[wetsand]

Those new UAC weapon gauntlets (for DR but I’m still counting it because I like him!)

Any more info on these?

I'm thrilled about what this box pool proposes. I wonder if you will be limited on how many boxes you can bank? I regularly stash away 20+ boxes on f2p characters.

[Donquix]

he talked about it for quite a bit in the #mechanics channel

- game wide pool, not tied to towns/regions/etc.
- sounded like dropoffs will be in the already known picking locations like the east tower. so might help encourage going back to old school way with rogues sitting there
- only limit for the picker is can't take out a box when you're fried (but he said he might add a cooldown on top of that to prevent a rogue from burning a million LTEs and taking all the things)
- the customer sets a tip amount when they put the box in the pool. the tip gets you priority in line. if a picker has 5 available boxes for their skill range, the top tip one is what they get when they take a box from the queue
- anyone with picking skill can get boxes, but priority goes to rogues (box has to be in queue for x amount of time before opening up to non-rogues)
- exceptionally hard boxes will just sit there until someone skilled enough comes along
- ...however exceptionally easy boxes stuck in the queue will eventually scale up and become harder locks. so it won't get stuck there if no level 3 rogues are working the queue
- no phase, call lightning, etc. allowed on boxes
- if you blow up a box apparently it isn't lost but there is some kind of penalty.
- didn't say anything about a max you could have stored


Any more info on these?

they aren't uac gauntlets, per se. they are gauntlets that hold small weapons, you can be empty handed and then do an ATTACK command (normal, non-uac attack) and the weapon will pop out when you attack. when unlocked, they will also parry attacks but ots you get no parry benefit from them. so basically lets you use normal weapons, but look barehanded. He posted a teaser in the duskruin thread on the officials.

[mgoddess]

It is still in the finishing stages, but Naijin was talking on Discord today about how he has submitted to QC some sort of worldwide "pool" system for boxes. Apparently the intent is so that people can leave their boxes in..I'm not sure yet.....and then Rogues can pick them, get auto-tipped(I think?), then the player can come pick them up later.

This is amazing, and may actually get me to play my rogue more. Yay for rogue+ dev!

[Fortybox]

FYI Naijin is SpiffyJr and like the only GM to actually get anything done around here.

But I’m sure Estild will take credit once this implementation is rolled out.

[Tgo01]

FYI Naijin is SpiffyJr and like the only GM to actually get anything done around here.

But I’m sure Estild will take credit once this implementation is rolled out.

For real? I didn’t know Spiffy joined the dark side.

[wetsand]

they aren't uac gauntlets, per se. they are gauntlets that hold small weapons, you can be empty handed and then do an ATTACK command (normal, non-uac attack) and the weapon will pop out when you attack. when unlocked, they will also parry attacks but ots you get no parry benefit from them. so basically lets you use normal weapons, but look barehanded. He posted a teaser in the duskruin thread on the officials.

Bummer. Pocketed arm worn fluff at OTS. Probably be 100k BS to unlock the parry ability. I was really hoping for some new fun UAC gear.

[Donquix]

For real? I didn’t know Spiffy joined the dark side.

Normally i wouldn't really out GM personas but i mean, it's not like he's hiding it...try to open a DM / view his profile on discord and you see his actual discord username is SpiffyJr#xxxxx. He's also actively talked about doing updates to sloot / slootbeta, etc.

[Donquix]

Bummer. Pocketed arm worn fluff at OTS. Probably be 100k BS to unlock the parry ability. I was really hoping for some new fun UAC gear.

still some niche uses. there apparently is two tiers of unlock, certificate based unlock sill let you do TWC with them. the parry unlock is "auction" quality, apparently. Regardless it's a fairly limited weapon set, and it's not even pocketed you can't just put items in there it has a "spike" or some such inside that is the weapon it uses that can be considered a base weapon of: Current list is: sai, dagger, main gauche, short sword, katar.

really just flavor without the parry bonus. if it works with berserk might be handy for mid-berserk disarms? /shrug

[Taernath]

Normally i wouldn't really out GM personas but i mean, it's not like he's hiding it...try to open a DM / view his profile on discord and you see his actual discord username is SpiffyJr#xxxxx. He's also actively talked about doing updates to sloot / slootbeta, etc.

The PC needs a Manchurian candidate to infiltrate Simu and change it from within. Could he be the one?


They call it basic for marketing bullshit. $15/mo is anything but basic and gets you 100% full access to any game on the market today, except Gemstone, a 20 year old text game. If you think this pricing scheme is a good thing I don't care how rich you are you're still fucking stupid.

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[Fortybox]

For real? I didn’t know Spiffy joined the dark side.

Imagine if you became a GM too. Simu would actually get stuff done.

We need a changing of the guard.

[Velfi]

It is still in the finishing stages, but Naijin was talking on Discord today about how he has submitted to QC some sort of worldwide "pool" system for boxes. Apparently the intent is so that people can leave their boxes in..I'm not sure yet.....and then Rogues can pick them, get auto-tipped(I think?), then the player can come pick them up later.

I really like this idea and think it could be very useful, as long as they make the player's pool size for boxes pretty substantial, otherwise I could see it being more of a novelty than actually practical.

[Neovik1]

FYI Naijin is SpiffyJr and like the only GM to actually get anything done around here.

But I’m sure Estild will take credit once this implementation is rolled out.

Retser Fixed player shops along with a lot of other stuff. Other GMs have also done some great things as well.

[Fortybox]

Retser Fixed player shops along with a lot of other stuff. Other GMs have also done some great things as well.

How long did “fixing” player shops take? And no, GMs have not done any significant changes to this game in a long time and definitely no changes on things players actually want. But feel free to reference Leafiara’s, Town Crier, propaganda post where fixing typos are considered earth shattering dev!

[Methais]

Players have been talking about this idea for a while now. Maybe we have at least one DEV GM who listens? :shocked:

Nice to see Rogues get some lovin'.

In before Estild somehow ties it to Simucoins.

What if someone gets tired of waiting and/or if there are no locksmiths around? Can they go get their boxes back?

[Methais]

only limit for the picker is can't take out a box when you're fried (but he said he might add a cooldown on top of that to prevent a rogue from burning a million LTEs and taking all the things)

They should base this on how many pickers are available at the time. The less pickers, the longer you can go, and vice versa.


- the customer sets a tip amount when they put the box in the pool. the tip gets you priority in line. if a picker has 5 available boxes for their skill range, the top tip one is what they get when they take a box from the queue

I suspect 416 is going to start being used a lot more, as most tips are based on what came out of the box.

Sounds pretty good overall though as long as they leave P2W the fuck out of it. Looking at you Estild.

[Neovik1]

How long did “fixing” player shops take? And no, GMs have not done any significant changes to this game in a long time and definitely no changes on things players actually want. But feel free to reference Leafiara’s, Town Crier, propaganda post where fixing typos are considered earth shattering dev!

I don't even know what propaganda post you are talking about. It's been well known that getting player shops fixed has caused a lot of GMs to quit. Apparently you lack information and just want to bitch. Retser got the job done. Stop trying to undervalue the work the GMs have put into GS.

[Methais]

Normally i wouldn't really out GM personas but i mean, it's not like he's hiding it...try to open a DM / view his profile on discord and you see his actual discord username is SpiffyJr#xxxxx. He's also actively talked about doing updates to sloot / slootbeta, etc.

I bet Estild hates him.

SpiffyJr: Hey guys, I have some ideas for dev.

Estild: Is it going to be P2W?

SpiffyJr: Uh...no?

Estild:
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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

so a new way for players not to interact with other players, is that it?

[Neovik1]

so a new way for players not to interact with other players, is that it?

If you hunt with a group and you need boxes picked to split with the group. You will need to interact with a rogue. hah... unless you go to the town npc smith.

[Taernath]

so a new way for players not to interact with other players, is that it?

People have boxes they want opened and rogues want to open those boxes, but the playerbase has shrunk enough over the years that those two groups can't always interact. Removing the NPC locksmith would do more harm than good.

What do you suggest?

[Avaia]

What if someone gets tired of waiting and/or if there are no locksmiths around? Can they go get their boxes back?

Not sure. If you hop into Discord and tag Naijin and ask in the Mechanics channel he will probably reply.

[Avaia]

so a new way for players not to interact with other players, is that it?

Players aren't interacting with other players for boxes anyway. Locksmithing is pretty much dead. Supposedly there will be a common place to get boxes from this "pool" in every town, which will give Rogues a reason to hang out there, which might mean that those who don't want to wait will have Rogues hanging out willing to work. Who knows?

[Neovik1]

We have overlooked the most important part of this change. It's been confirmed and has ended the debate that a rogue should always get the scarab.

[Methais]

We have overlooked the most important part of this change. It's been confirmed and has ended the debate that a rogue should always get the scarab.

People still argue that they don't?

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[nocturnix]

This is a great idea. I try to save my boxes as long as i can to give to a locksmith but they are often not on when I hunt. I dont care when i get the silvers the only thing i care about is encumbrance penalties from carrying boxes. If I can drop off my boxes after every hunt I would do so. Sometimes i come back with 8 boxes in one hunt. I dont like using the smith because i feel like its taking away xp from players. Now I moved to I'llistim and i dont even know any player smiths here so locksmith is the only option. If this system is global, they should remove the old auto locksmith system and replace it with one player smiths can use. Since the auto locksmith has killed the picking market for real locksmiths anyways.

[Methais]

If this system is global, they should remove the old auto locksmith system and replace it with one player smiths can use. Since the auto locksmith has killed the picking market for real locksmiths anyways.

An overall lack of locksmiths killed the picking market.

[Orthin]

if this change does happen I will resub my rogue account for sure. To add to it they should make the box retrieval locations be in the actual lockpicking hubs. That way if anyone wants instant gratification of the old school method they may be more inclined to run in to folks there.

[drauz]

They should make the retrieval locations super nodes.

[Alashir]

Awesome idea. Can't wait to see it implemented

[nocturnix]

An overall lack of locksmiths killed the picking market.

Locksmithing was no longer a valid training path once they introduced the auto smith. Even before then it was rare due to having to wait around in a tower for players to come by. This system would make it much easier to gain xp from smithing so I guarantee youd see more locksmiths come back.

[MrMortimur]

Naijin remains the only GM doing anything at all.

UAC Berserk

They need a dozen Naijins.

Wait, you can berserk unarmed now?

[Sile]

Wait, you can berserk unarmed now?

Yeah it's actually very efficient. Will tier you up also.

[Fortybox]

Wait, you can berserk unarmed now?

Yes, SpiffyJr is getting stuff done.

Estild is taking the credit.

[Tgo01]

When they making me a GM so I can add awesome stuff too? I’ll only work on paid events 90% of the time.

[Sile]

When they making me a GM so I can add awesome stuff too? I’ll only work on paid events 90% of the time.

They would make you make dreavenings cost simucoins.

[Fortybox]

When they making me a GM so I can add awesome stuff too? I’ll only work on paid events 90% of the time.

Honestly...why? I wouldn't - at least not with Wyrom at the helm.

[Methais]

Locksmithing was no longer a valid training path once they introduced the auto smith. Even before then it was rare due to having to wait around in a tower for players to come by. This system would make it much easier to gain xp from smithing so I guarantee youd see more locksmiths come back.

I don’t disagree. IMO where Simu really fucked up was essentially making hunting and picking builds separate from each other until post cap. That and the retarded RT you get from it.

They need to drastically reduce pick/disarm time. Lock Mastery is too cancerous of a system to be considered a real solution.

Pick/disarm RT should be capped at 5 seconds.

[Methais]

When they making me a GM so I can add awesome stuff too? I’ll only work on paid events 90% of the time.

Have you uh...applied?

[Methais]

Honestly...why? I wouldn't - at least not with Wyrom at the helm.

Fun fact: dev does what they want and basically doesn’t give a shit what Wyrom says and are never held accountable for any of the shitty things they do.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

People have boxes they want opened and rogues want to open those boxes, but the playerbase has shrunk enough over the years that those two groups can't always interact. Removing the NPC locksmith would do more harm than good.

What do you suggest?

Where to start...

Lower month subscriptions
Advertise
Hire real employees
Get things done, for real
Put it on something besides a commodore 64 so when you actually DO get players, they call all play at once
Rewrite the core program to something like python

[Methais]

Where to start...

Lower month subscriptions
Advertise
Hire real employees
Get things done, for real
Put it on something besides a commodore 64 so when you actually DO get players, they call all play at once
Rewrite the core program to something like python

Not being completely fixated on P2W for 99% of game dev wouldn’t hurt either.

Having the coders also being the ones who dictate the direction the game goes is a huge conflict of interest in a P2W market too.

“Can’t implement XYZ because that would cut into our P2W revenue.”

“Let’s nerf this on the player side so we can sell it in the P2W shop.”

“Let’s implement this telekinesis spell but give it to a profession who can’t use it so that we can sell it as a SK item for cash.”

^ Current state of Coase & Estild & crew. They know the shit they do isn’t what’s best for the game and that it’s only best for their wallets. But since there’s no accountability, it just keeps getting more and more retarded.

[Fortybox]

Fun fact: dev does what they want and basically doesn’t give a shit what Wyrom says and are never held accountable for any of the shitty things they do.

Wyrom likes to say that but I don't believe it. They all need to go though.

[Neovik1]

I don’t disagree. IMO where Simu really fucked up was essentially making hunting and picking builds separate from each other until post cap. That and the retarded RT you get from it.

They need to drastically reduce pick/disarm time. Lock Mastery is too cancerous of a system to be considered a real solution.

Pick/disarm RT should be capped at 5 seconds.

They did significantly reduce RT when in a town. Picking is pretty nice right now with the RT reductions.

[drauz]

Wyrom likes to say that but I don't believe it. They all need to go though.

Yeah lets kick out all the GMs, I'm sure that will improve the state of the game!

[Fortybox]

Yeah lets kick out all the GMs, I'm sure that will improve the state of the game!

You're retarded and a cheater. My comment pertained to Wyrom, Estild and Coase.

[Winter]

^ Current state of Coase & Estild & crew. They know the shit they do isn’t what’s best for the game and that it’s only best for their wallets.

Is this hyperbole or do they genuinely get a cut of p2w money?

[rolfard]

They did significantly reduce RT when in a town. Picking is pretty nice right now with the RT reductions.

Also, maxing in picking never prevented me from maxing in ranged weapon style and the accompanying skills, fitness, Dodge, armor, cman, etc.

[Methais]

Is this hyperbole or do they genuinely get a cut of p2w money?

They genuinely get a cut of the P2W money. Which is why Wyrom can’t get shit done that isn’t P2W because nobody wants to work on non-P2W shit.

[Fierna]

Is this hyperbole or do they genuinely get a cut of p2w money?

They even get a cut based on how popular their particular payfest item was. It’s completely skewed toward P2W, only Wyrom is supposed to act as a game balance gatekeeper. But yeah....

[Tgo01]

Is this hyperbole or do they genuinely get a cut of p2w money?

It’s true. Wyorm flat out admitted it one time for some reason.

[audioserf]

Is this hyperbole or do they genuinely get a cut of p2w money?

No, that is true. I forget if it was on the Officials or on discord but Wyrom has put it out there that GMs can pick and choose their projects but that they receive commission for sales of anything they create for Simucoin events.

[Methais]

And since then, finding meaningful dev (i.e. fixing typos and putting it on the dev accomplishment list doesn’t count you fucks) is like:

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[drauz]

You're retarded and a cheater. My comment pertained to Wyrom, Estild and Coase.

Yeah, lets remove the 3 of the most experienced code writers and people who know the most about these old systems. That'll speed up dev!

[Fortybox]

Yeah, lets remove the 3 of the most experienced code writers and people who know the most about these old systems. That'll speed up dev!

I can understand how hard it would be to have 3 new people not on your HoA payroll but try to understand that Simu needs a good enema.

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[Methais]

Yeah, lets remove the 3 of the most experienced code writers and people who know the most about these old systems. That'll speed up dev!

Being a great coder is pretty meaningless when all of your ideas suck balls and consist of mindlessly nerfing shit and shoehorning everything into P2W so they can get their cut.

Like when Coase nerfed Confluence loot and buried the code in the core systems or whatever it was called. I brought it up on the officials several times for probably close to a year posting all kinds of before & after numbers, etc., and it got completely ignored by staff. After a year of Wyrom being like "I checked and there were no changes to the Confluence." he checked again and found it buried in some random spot it shouldn't have been buried in, and Coase thought it would be cool to do that and not say anything to Wyrom about it. He really went out of his way to stealth nerf that shit. If you're gonna nerf shit, fucking announce it at least. Cunts.

Then at some point in Discord during a conversation Estild goes "No one ever said that there weren't any changes to Confluence loot." so I'm like actually yeah the dude who supposedly is your boss did @Wyrom look Estild is being a liarface.

So yeah, Estild and Coase are deceptive as fuck on top of being self serving and not giving a shit about the game outside of their cut of P2W events.

Being a great coder doesn't give you permission to be a self serving piece of shit. Unless you work at Simutronics I guess.

Coase and Estild are the ones who really run shit in this game, not Wyrom, despite the titles.

[Fierna]

Being a great coder is pretty meaningless when all of your ideas suck balls and consist of mindlessly nerfing shit and shoehorning everything into P2W so they can get their cut.

Like when Coase nerfed Confluence loot and buried the code in the core systems or whatever it was called. I brought it up on the officials several times for probably close to a year posting all kinds of before & after numbers, etc., and it got completely ignored by staff. After a year of Wyrom being like "I checked and there were no changes to the Confluence." he checked again and found it buried in some random spot it shouldn't have been buried in, and Coase thought it would be cool to do that and not say anything to Wyrom about it. He really went out of his way to stealth nerf that shit. If you're gonna nerf shit, fucking announce it at least. Cunts.

Then at some point in Discord during a conversation Estild goes "No one ever said that there weren't any changes to Confluence loot." so I'm like actually yeah the dude who supposedly is your boss did @Wyrom look Estild is being a liarface.

So yeah, Estild and Coase are deceptive as fuck on top of being self serving and not giving a shit about the game outside of their cut of P2W events.

Being a great coder doesn't give you permission to be a self serving piece of shit. Unless you work at Simutronics I guess.

Coase and Estild are the ones who really run shit in this game, not Wyrom, despite the titles.

Or Coase and Estild are taking orders from Wyrom and they are all playing some twisted version of good cop bad cop.

[Fortybox]

Being a great coder is pretty meaningless when all of your ideas suck balls and consist of mindlessly nerfing shit and shoehorning everything into P2W so they can get their cut.

Like when Coase nerfed Confluence loot and buried the code in the core systems or whatever it was called. I brought it up on the officials several times for probably close to a year posting all kinds of before & after numbers, etc., and it got completely ignored by staff. After a year of Wyrom being like "I checked and there were no changes to the Confluence." he checked again and found it buried in some random spot it shouldn't have been buried in, and Coase thought it would be cool to do that and not say anything to Wyrom about it. He really went out of his way to stealth nerf that shit. If you're gonna nerf shit, fucking announce it at least. Cunts.

Then at some point in Discord during a conversation Estild goes "No one ever said that there weren't any changes to Confluence loot." so I'm like actually yeah the dude who supposedly is your boss did @Wyrom look Estild is being a liarface.

So yeah, Estild and Coase are deceptive as fuck on top of being self serving and not giving a shit about the game outside of their cut of P2W events.

Being a great coder doesn't give you permission to be a self serving piece of shit. Unless you work at Simutronics I guess.

Coase and Estild are the ones who really run shit in this game, not Wyrom, despite the titles.

All 3 of them suck.

[Clunk]

Yeah, lets remove the 3 of the most experienced code writers and people who know the most about these old systems. That'll speed up dev!

Speaking of ancient old code. You used to be able to drop a box in the pool outside Cavernhold, and have items from the box returned to you as you walked away.
As far as I recall, only Thuunk and one other ever used it, and (?) GM Tigermist (?) fixed it. Thuunk would use it for the tough boxes that he could not open.

At the same time this was fixed, Cavernhold lost many of its hiding places.

Thuunk <--- Historian of Cavernhold (and some other places)

[Methais]

Speaking of ancient old code. You used to be able to drop a box in the pool outside Cavernhold, and have items from the box returned to you as you walked away.
As far as I recall, only Thuunk and one other ever used it, and (?) GM Tigermist (?) fixed it. Thuunk would use it for the tough boxes that he could not open.

At the same time this was fixed, Cavernhold lost many of its hiding places.

Thuunk <--- Historian of Cavernhold (and some other places)

You also used to be able to pick the box in Rone Academy that took you into the rogue's room. It had either a -10 or -25 lock I forgot which, but it gave exp like a normal box would. When you pick the box, it transports you into the rogue room and the box locks again.